IyaIode:

When i grow up, i will like to be like Efunsetan, i will like to capture and sell romanis, i will give them tribal marks too

Firefire:



Debt with few or nothing to show for it in those states.

Until we are ready to face the truth and ask our political class to account for the growing debt, we are not yet ready for serious development.

IyaIode:

Absolute truth, i am happy we are beginning to critique ourselves even on this thread

Firefire:


Like modath said, we should remove the log of wood in our eyes before we can see clearly to remove from others...

If the western states beginning from Lagos, Ogun, Oyo, Osun, Ekiti, Ondo etc can fully utilize all their IGR + their individual state share from the federation account (26% State + 26.5% for LGA) + the SUREP allocation + their respective share from the Excess crude oil account, without any misappropriation, PLEASE, WHY DO WE STILL NEED ALL THIS HUGE LOANS...

Eje ka ba ra wa so oto oro...

Shymm3x:


A Yoruba person should never put party interests before the Yoruba cause. What is wrong is wrong, we don't have to sugarcoat it. If folks aren't performing, we have to call them out. At the end of the day, there are a lot of pages on here where we celebrated certain developments in the SW. How come these folks never had a problem with that? We're not robots.

IyaIode:

I am not entirely against loans for infrastructure, but borrow to pay salaries is just stupid, like i said few days ago, these states should sack 80% of their workforce, this is the best time to do it.

Aareonakakanfo:
-Cut down the population of civil service workers by encouraging vocational education among youths.We have to start from the root.Not everyone should be in the Civil service

-Encourage entrepreneurship so more private sector jobs can be created.If we lay off government workers through inefficiency, they can move to the private sector and those on the payroll of the Government will reduce

-Raise Taxes:Taxes should be raised.Companies should pay more tax.This is where I fault Ogun state

-Cut Spending: Increasing tax is not enough,some of these Governors are just wasteful.Patronize local firms because Its cheaper.There's Dantata & Sawoe Construction,there's Costain west Africa.I believe these foreign construction companies are cheating us.Projects that should ordinarily cost $2billion will cost $7billion .Why?

IyaIode:

I am not entirely against loans for infrastructure, but borrow to pay salaries is just stupid, like i said few days ago, these states should sack 80% of their workforce, this is the best time to do it.

Firefire:


Like M said, we should remove the log of wood in our eyes before we can see clearly to remove from others...

If the western states beginning from Lagos, Ogun, Oyo, Osun, Ekiti, Ondo etc can fully utilize all their IGR + their individual state share from the federation account (26% State + 26.5% for LGA) + the SUREP allocation + their respective share from the Excess crude oil account, without any misappropriation, PLEASE, WHY DO WE STILL NEED ALL THIS HUGE LOANS...

Eje ka ba ra wa so oto oro...

modath:


Fire de!!! Ajala ta ni no ooo ....

My post fit right into your bias ba??

You are always here to hammer on the inadequacies of the SW govs but will scurry away when the cupabilities of your party at the FEDERAL LEVEL.. is being highlighted..

States isn't my forte but I've been here prior to OBJ so we can tell the real story not your party's version..

Your intentions aren't pure & we ALL know it.....


Nuff said about this, will be in Ghost mode till we move on to the next..

Shymm3x:
@ Aareonakakanfo

That's what I told you about getting too many folks involved on this thread cos it'll get too partisan. I know this forum cos I've been here for three years and a lot of folks are too partisan.

This is also the reason why Katsumoto stopped posting cos it's difficult to critique the so-called "Yoruba leaders" for their obvious failures. That's why these folks keep taking Yoruba folks as mugs.

Once you use the dynamics of the last elections as a yardstick and how close the election was in all SWern states, you'd see that a lot of Yoruba folks out there are tired of APC. But they just don't have a choice cos it's the lesser devil when compared to PDP.

modath:


Fire de!!! Ajala ta ni no ooo ....

My post fit right into your bias ba??

You are always here to hammer on the inadequacies of the SW govs but will scurry away when the cupabilities of your party at the FEDERAL LEVEL.. is being highlighted..

States isn't my forte but I've been here prior to OBJ so we can tell the real story not your party's version..

Your intentions aren't pure & we ALL know it.....


Nuff said about this, will be in Ghost mode till we move on to the next..

modath:


[s]Shy, what exactly is the yoruba cause? ...
you do realise that Yoruba folks who don't carry cards but must align someplace where their agitations will be met?


You don't realise the peculiarity of the situation in Nigeria, we practise politics of exclusion & yorubas are tired of swimming against the tide!!!

You can't use the west as a yardstick here, we have different realities, E.g when you post about NID doing us proud, i love it, up its LIKE quota but sincerely don't remember them the next day cos it is not my REALITY...

Did the shoeless one perform? But Romanis were ready to go to hades for me cos he put their people in strategic posts .....

The former SGF got to the office of the SGF of the federation, posted out all the SWners & the Malas & proceeded to go to the East to import everything with certificate from there into the FEDERAL service on 2 grades above what should ordinarily be , & he got away with it cos they had political power..

The yoruba cause is one that will see it the progress of the SW & i am here for any character that will push it...

2011, i didn't vote for ACN/Ribadu cos i don't see no leadership quality in him.....


*sidebar* , still wondering the level 16 romani civil servant who stuck his head out for that dissident's bail, still wondering how he will be able to explain away having a land in central Abuja on a DD's Salary...

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Gbawe:


So what exactly are you suggesting? he starts a thread and then dictatorially determine those who can comment and those who must not comment? Is that not intolerance? You have to learn to tolerate the views of others. We all have to do that because no one is right always. You can call others political jobbers all you wish, because their opinion is contrary to yours, but OP has no right to start a thread here and then try to disenfranchise anyone - especially other Yorubas who are passionate about their region of origin as much as the next man but don't feel the need to insult dissenting voices. Shymmex, you have good points and your contributions here are valuable but we all have to accommodate the views of others.

@OP perhaps you need to start naming those invited to comment here and spare 'unwanted' posters from making the mistake of thinking this is a thread all patriotic Yorubas are free to contribute to, without being insulted, whatever their viewpoint. We should learn to speak to each other tolerantly and politely even if our views differ.

No one is saying Yoruba leaders have not made mistakes but we need to look at where we are now pragmatically, when we have fought political wars since 1999 to gain a benevolent centre that will partner us, and the chance to consolidate on what is a very strong and influential position. I have seen talks of a new party and other ideas. How long does it take for a new Party to gain traction in Nigeria if not linked to people with strong grassroot clout?

@OP

Can you eschew idealism and give us an honest answer to these questions? What became of the political careers of Tai Solarin, Gani Fawehinmi, Wole Soyinka et al? I.e men of unimpeachable characters that the people would still not follow politically? Is political clout in Nigeria about being a saint? Can you form a new Party and get Yorubas to follow you because of your angelic profile alone? Trying to state things politely here, albeit opposite to the view of others, should not routinely be met by Fayose-style intolerance and lack of decorum. Why? Are you not the OP who should neutrally insist on tolerance and the cessation of talk from some that makes them feel they are more Yoruba than others and are somehow more entitled than others to speak on this your thread? Is that what we Yorubas are about?

Does anyone have proprietary claim over this thread or are all Yorubas and even non-Yorubas who mean the region well not free to contribute here? The point is that the Yorubas, through the APC, [size=14pt]and since 1999[/size], are part of a centre that has a human face and good intentions plus will not impede us from developing as we wish. [size=14pt]This is what we have always wanted and fought for[/size]. This is the time to take advantage of our politcally strategic position to face and achieve what matters instead of remaining mired in the bellicose and pugnacious witch hunting of one leader or the other. We have the very competent Fashola as Minister of power. Under Fayemi, we can achieve what I have always felt would be a game changer for the SW i.e SW States being able to mine, control and gain socio-economic benefits from the numerous mineral assets under their soil. We can really be what we want to be under this Buhari government. Mistakes were made in the past but why speak as if this is all our future will be about when things are vastly different now, because of the politcal effort these same leaders we malign put in, and when we now only need to be smart, strategic and calculated to get what we want? We could, for example form a Nairaland lobby group so we present formal requests and demands to our leaders that will at least get them thinking.

I would for example prefer to ask Fayemi to consider a framework where states have the autonomy to control their mineral assets rather than demand he be stoned publicly. I would want to engage Fashola to know his plans for adequate electricity supply so Nigeria, to include the SW, can thrive. Regardless of the past, and what leaders did, we have it good today politically , because we worked for it, and cannot lose sight of that or throw our vantage point reality away , to be chasing shadows, because we only want to be negative for the sake of that alone. [size=14pt]We cannot make the mistake of others who had the chance to better themselves through having the political ear of the centre yet squandered that opportunities focusing on frivolities and what does not matter at all and should be consigned to the past.[/size] We should learn from others to focus on what matters and the tangible dividends of democracy association to the centre can deliver for us. Look at the number of influential Ministers the SW now has that is a recognition the region has leadership talent .

Where will these "new leaders" and new Party some ask for here come from? Mars? Or will they not be the same men and women conditioned by the Nigerian system and are therefore compelled to do their best within that system to get what they want? We can stay here insulting Nigerians and their leaders all day yet I am willing to wager that the most negative here will not be able to repeat their negative talk in a year after some of the reforms some of the pragmatic Yoruba leaders and others, on the ground, would have begun helping Buhari to improve Nigeria.

Gbawe:

So what exactly are you suggesting? he starts a thread and then dictatorially determine those who can comment and those who must not comment? Is that not intolerance? You have to learn to tolerate the views of others. We all have to do that because no one is right always. You can call others political jobbers all you wish, because their opinion is contrary to yours, but OP has no right to start a thread here and then try to disenfranchise anyone - especially other Yorubas who are passionate about their region of origin as much as the next man but don't feel the need to insult dissenting voices. Shymmex, you have good point and your contributions here are valuable but we all have to accommodate the views of others.
@OP perhaps you need to start naming those invited to comment here and spare 'unwanted' posters from making the mistake of thinking this is a thread all patriotic Yorubas are free to contribute to, without being insulted, whatever their viewpoint. We should learn to speak to each other tolerantly and politely even if our views differ.
No one is saying Yoruba leaders have not made mistakes but we need to look at where we are now pragmatically,when we have fought political wars since 1999 to gain a benevolent centre that will partner us, and the chance to consolidate on what is a very strong and influential position. I have seen talks of a new party and other ideas. How long does it take for a new Party to gain traction in Nigeria if not linked to people with strong grassroot clout?

@OP
Can you eschew idealism and give us an honest answer to these questions? What became of the political careers of Tai Solarin, Gani Fawehinmi, Wole Soyinka et al? I.e men of unimpeachable characters that the people would still not follow politically? Is political clout in Nigeria about being a saint? Can you form a new Party and get Yorubas to follow you because of your angelic profile alone? Trying to state things politely here, albeit opposite to the view of others, should not routinely be met by Fayose-style intolerance and lack of decorum. Why? Are you not the OP who should neutrally insist on tolerance and the cessation of talk from some that makes them feel they are more Yoruba than others and are somehow more entitled than others to speak on this your thread? Is that what we Yorubas are about?
Does anyone have proprietary claim over this thread or are all Yorubas and even non-Yorubas who mean the region well not free to contribute here?

Na wah why everybody come dey vex like this? Kilode I'm stressed!

I thought we've settled this issue.

Sir Gbawe. I don't determine those who can comment and those who can't comment.I don't think I've done that so far except those who I know never came here with good intentions and you and I know them .I keep telling people here everyone is crucial.I can't comment here alone so I don't even see it as my thread.Its our thread

I tolerate everyone's opinion here and If you go through my post history, its difficult to point out faults as regards the way I've managed this thread.The only people I vent my anger on are the derailers.I'm not into politics anymore so I don't really get involved in political discussions.

As per the emboldend,I think I'll let others be the judge.

Ibebe:
Gbawe & shymmex,

I can see both sides.

Gbawe, you mentioned being positive. Apart from political positions, when considering SW politicians, what should we be positive about?

FreeGlobe:

This is my problem with you tribalistic yorubas. Why must everything be about igbos? Is this not supposed to be a yoruba thread or you want us to invade and tear this thread apart? Now that you removed the shoeless one and put the dull one, how market? Have yorubas been able to occupy the "strategic seats" we occupied during the time of the shoeless one. It's envy and covetousness that will kill foolish yorubas like you. Let me see you again in praising buhari on nairaland. You have been noted and this your post has been entered into the archives.

Gbawe:


Can you not see it? for the first time since 1999 we are now linked to a benevolent centre that will partner us and grant concession that can assist our development and that of all region that wishes to be serious and focused. You think it is for nothing Buhari has made Fayemi Minister of solid minerals when the sector was rendered moribund by political indolence and lack of goodwill in the past? As far as I see it, the situation is akin to being in prison for so long that you do not even want to leave your cell when the door is opened and you are told to leave. You insist on remaining where you are, cursing the wardens and lampooning the food when you are not impeded from walking out of the door into a new life that could be wonderful and fulfilled regardless of your past and prison years. We Yorubas should look at where we are and brainstorm how we must not squander this golden chance to work with a centre we now have so much influence in to better ourselves.

modath:




Like i told you in the past, & will continue to .... "No one gets anywhere FAST by stopping to throw stones at every rabid canine that snarls or glares at one..

Take yourself off & go back to the places where you chest beat about an eldorado that won't happen...

Your major problem is inability to think deep & comprehend posts that sail beyond your meagre sound judgement & reasoning....

You see posters online & begin to act all crazy & mentioning them to engage in E war with you, something must be lacking in your everyday life!!..

If for any reason i won't support PMB any longer, i have not seen any inkling of it..... Now he is still BAE!

Now go have several seats on a bed of barb wired nails...

*Mic drop* ... future mentions ignored, won't let mannerless louts derail this!!!!

Aareonakakanfo . .. Apologies...

raumdeuter:
What is the realistic solution to the huge recurring expenditure every state is burdened with monthly which is mainly salaries

Firefire:


Like modath said, we should remove the log of wood in our eyes before we can see clearly to remove from others...

If the western states beginning from Lagos, Ogun, Oyo, Osun, Ekiti, Ondo etc can fully utilize all their IGR + their individual state share from the federation account (26% State + 26.5% for LGA) + the SUREP allocation + their respective share from the Excess crude oil account, without any misappropriation, PLEASE, WHY DO WE STILL NEED ALL THIS HUGE LOANS...

Eje ka ba ra wa so oto oro...

modath:



Bros unless we are intent on lying to ourselves, Nothing FOR NOW!!.

If people are laid off, with no other kind of industry to absorb them, & also bearing in mind that our financial institutions are not programmed to support SMEs,.......


WHAT ARE THE ALTERNATIVES??

modath:



Bros unless we are intent on lying to ourselves, Nothing FOR NOW!!.

If people are laid off, with no other kind of industry to absorb them, & also bearing in mind that our financial institutions are not programmed to support SMEs,.......


WHAT ARE THE ALTERNATIVES??

Ibebe:


Farming and living within ones means.

You can't be making Toyota and thinking to buy Lamborghini. You gotta work for it.

Make our cocoa and palm oil business lucrative again.

Firefire:


If you ask for their sack, are the states ready to pay their severance packages ? Don't forget the state cannot even meet the current obligation of paying wages and retirees pension.

raumdeuter:
What is the realistic solution to the huge recurring expenditure every state is burdened with monthly which is mainly salaries