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Re: My Bitter Experience As A Doctor Today by FuckTheMod: 5:12am On Dec 27, 2015 |
alpontif:Exactly Cosmatika |
Re: My Bitter Experience As A Doctor Today by FuckTheMod: 5:15am On Dec 27, 2015 |
symbianDON: Good for them |
Re: My Bitter Experience As A Doctor Today by Analysiscorner: 5:16am On Dec 27, 2015 |
abbey621:Did you read the testimonies of the doctors that have done that, paying for patients, ? If everybody keeps waiting for the time things would be better before doing the little one could do, things would definitely get worse and worse. |
Re: My Bitter Experience As A Doctor Today by FuckTheMod: 5:18am On Dec 27, 2015 |
muy:Cosmatika |
Re: My Bitter Experience As A Doctor Today by FuckTheMod: 5:20am On Dec 27, 2015 |
ikombe:You're a very big fat dolt! |
Re: My Bitter Experience As A Doctor Today by FuckTheMod: 5:21am On Dec 27, 2015 |
ajuwarhodes:Ameen |
Re: My Bitter Experience As A Doctor Today by eaglechild: 5:22am On Dec 27, 2015 |
Leopantro:I read on with frustration all the attempts you made to politely throw some light on the realities on ground and the limitations doctors practicing here face. You should have known by now that it is extremely difficult to make anyone understand your point of view if the person is not in the profession. Kudos for keeping your cool. 1 Like |
Re: My Bitter Experience As A Doctor Today by abbey621(m): 5:26am On Dec 27, 2015 |
Analysiscorner: Ask yourself how many doctors or medical professionals working at government hospitals can afford to pay for a patient out of their own pocket? It might be helpful if you can research how much they make and how easily government forgets to pay their salaries. 1 Like |
Re: My Bitter Experience As A Doctor Today by zheroes(m): 5:26am On Dec 27, 2015 |
emmchi:talk is cheap, have you visted any of the government owned or run hospitals lately? Then you willl know live has no value in naija. When you find yourself in a tight corner then you will understand the enormity of the decay in the nigerian system, corruption everywhere, if the person in charge sees he can profit from a scheme he ensures nothing works as long as he is benefitting. If youask me I sometimes doubt if Nigeria as a country will work normal again because virtually everyone rthinks and does things opposite What is done in more civilized economies, people don't want to fight or are afraid to fight for thjeir rights, if people aren't involved they aren't bothered. We are on a long thing. ON YOUR OWN(OYO) 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: My Bitter Experience As A Doctor Today by FuckTheMod: 5:27am On Dec 27, 2015 |
cramjones:Don't mind the silly murderer > Cosmatika And the dolt supporting him > ikombe and abbey621 |
Re: My Bitter Experience As A Doctor Today by FuckTheMod: 5:28am On Dec 27, 2015 |
kaziblake:May God torment their lives too Wicked souls |
Re: My Bitter Experience As A Doctor Today by bigsmoke2(m): 5:30am On Dec 27, 2015 |
if i were i ur shoes i would have take money from my pocket to buy saline, giving set, canula etc to at least stablize them so they have a fighting chance cuz what kill most kills most RTA victims is shock due to blood loss to hell with the MO the worst that can happen is extension. its unfortunate that our health system is in disarray . 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: My Bitter Experience As A Doctor Today by Nobody: 5:34am On Dec 27, 2015 |
Lexusgs430: Sorry, that's what the law provides and the benefits outweighs the disadvantages. It could happen to anyone bro. Moreover, how do you expect an accident patient( probably unconscious at the time of being brought in) to make payments? . Except if deposit was made on his/her behalf by the person(s) who brought them in. At least you administer first-aid and save a life. Does the Hippocratic Oath ring any bell? There's a probability that some ungrateful patients might take advantage of that- only but some -. That's the price for being professional . The most annoying being that the case under review here happened in a government-owned hospital! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: My Bitter Experience As A Doctor Today by Analysiscorner: 5:37am On Dec 27, 2015 |
abbey621:You are right, Bro. But, my question is : were his actions towards a critically ill patient justifiable, as a trained medical doctor that he is? 1 Like |
Re: My Bitter Experience As A Doctor Today by Analysiscorner: 5:39am On Dec 27, 2015 |
FuckTheMod:Easy, Bro |
Re: My Bitter Experience As A Doctor Today by stelly2015(f): 5:42am On Dec 27, 2015 |
Very sad |
Re: My Bitter Experience As A Doctor Today by safepassage2015: 5:43am On Dec 27, 2015 |
Classicman47:please when you have little or no knowledge of some subject matter try and ask people to educate you instead of ignroantly displaying your daftness. In a govt hospital setting, emergency or not , doctors dont collect money for treatment. Cashiers and people in records do that. In an emergency like that, they wont even take a dime, instead they will bill everything to the folder of the patient. Thats how govt hospitals work. Not only that the OP in incompetent, he also is not completely honest. We spotted some inconsistencies in his story and you are calling me ignorant. Please look in the mirror and see who actually is the ignorant one 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: My Bitter Experience As A Doctor Today by segalex: 5:45am On Dec 27, 2015 |
Your excuse doesn't seem tenable or convincing to me. I'm also a medical doctor and there's nothing like order from above when life is involved, that's your sole responsibility as a doctor. This is not to blame you or cast aspersions on you cos I believe you acted the way you did cos you're new and naive. Your medical officer i.e your senior only asked you to refer them cos she was either not around or she didn't want to be bothered cos she knew she will be held responsible once you admit the patient and that's wickedness on her own part but having said that, it still doesn't stop you from resuscitating the patient before referring them. You should only refer after you've resuscitated or at least stabilized or what's the point referring a patient whose condition is so critical that he/she may not even make it to the hospital. Now you have to be careful and pray that the relatives won't take the case up with you cos you and your MO may not escape very serious punishment if this case is reported to the appropriate authority especially MDCN. You also talked about a lot, and that was when I knew you're indeed new and naive, cos there's a law that all accident victim must be treated as an emergency without any constraints even including gunshot injury victims (in the past we used to demand for police report but the new law now is treat first then inform the police), that law was passed by the Senate about 2 or 3 years ago. Pls make sure you learn from this incident, God bless you 7 Likes 1 Share |
Re: My Bitter Experience As A Doctor Today by bigsmoke2(m): 5:45am On Dec 27, 2015 |
cramjones: i can understand your frustration but things are not so straight forward in real practice. who will pay for the resources to stabilize i mean (iv canula syringe diazepam, iv pcm , giving set , etc and moreover there is a standing order from a superior no t to touch the victims . |
Re: My Bitter Experience As A Doctor Today by 0gbeni(m): 5:51am On Dec 27, 2015 |
interesting to see the various comments on this thread, the op shouldn't have posted this and the op could have done simple ATLS(a, b, c, d, e) on the patient before anything... what this post just shows is the deep rot in the Nigerian health care, the deep rot starts from the lack of funding, to the lack of basic equipment, to the deficient medical training, to the poor welfare packages, its just a shame... if there's anything I've learnt, its that people would criticize poor doctors doing their jobs first than look for solutions and the average Nigerian does not give a damn about the poor healthcare system until he/she has cause to use public hospitals 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: My Bitter Experience As A Doctor Today by Analysiscorner: 5:52am On Dec 27, 2015 |
segalex:The voices of doctors still confirming that the op's action wasn't good enough. |
Re: My Bitter Experience As A Doctor Today by safepassage2015: 6:01am On Dec 27, 2015 |
bigsmoke2:you don't even need to use your money to buy anything from pharmacy. Just take the patients folder to the pharmacy and bill it to the folder. Its An Accident and Emergency pharmacy, they will do it sharp sharp. The OP did not know what to do , which is understandable at his level, but trying to heap his incompetence on his senior and the govt is what I will not tolerate. People should learn to take responsibility for their actions/inactions 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: My Bitter Experience As A Doctor Today by adorable29(f): 6:03am On Dec 27, 2015 |
emmchi: I know right? Doc, you had a choice to TAKE an order or TAKE a life! I think its murder and utter insensible madness to implement an unrealistic policy that insist DYING AND UNCONSCIOUS ACCIDENT VICTIMS pay money before they are treated! They should be revived first, given the first aid emergency treatmentthat will stabilize them and afterwards refusing to go further till they pay upfront. Isn't it common sense? Meanwhile this is a government hospital o, not private! Smh! 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: My Bitter Experience As A Doctor Today by VintageCocktail(m): 6:03am On Dec 27, 2015 |
Analysiscorner:In Nigerian context very justified. After all no bi you dey feed am. . Doc, next time after calling for help, start CPR, you don't have to use anything until the patient is fully yours....I mean officially yours sanctioned and backed by every of your hospital policies. These people here won't come to your aid when the bloodhounds are sent after you. A similar case early in my career made me to make up my mind the way I will have to practice. I have a case where a patient was brought in as an emergency and iv medication was administered in the course of the resuscitation and coincidentally the patient stopped breathing even before the syringe can be withdrawn and the relatives accused us of killing their son. Quite unbelievable!! The teams had to answer queries from the hospital and suffer bouts of anxieties and sleeplessness because of that. Their hospital bill was deducted from the salaries of the team members even with the threat of sack every here and then because the people refused to pay for "killing their son". I do not care what you tell the poor guy but for me and many others ones beaten twice shy, it is because of things like this that Nigerian medical workers are scaling the fence and jumping ship to better climes. For those saying what if it was his mother, friend and all whatnot, I will do something cos I know they will not abscond and I have zero chance of being seen in court on obvious case of negligence and malpractice. A nurse was beaten in calabar last week and last month team members were set upon by an emergency patients and beaten to pulp and the relations are their taking pics. What a mess!!.. Don't bother quoting me to rant and show your frustrations. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: My Bitter Experience As A Doctor Today by ogawisdom(m): 6:04am On Dec 27, 2015 |
cosmatika: U shld have done sth to help d poor girl but u choose to watch her die on ur boss orders, u n ur boss r both killers n murderer. U have blamed it on Govt abi, y were u on duty in dt Hosp when u can't treat patients on critical health condition? Most Doctors are murders and too money conscious, u all r wicked. This ur post shld b titled "how I and my boss murdered our patient " Bitter experience indeed!!! U dnt care abt human live so shout up at once. If it was ur sis in dt state n ur boss gave dt order wat would u ve done? Sure u will deposit ur money abi, y didn't u deposit for this one at least until their ppl shows up. If u deposited ur money I would have nominated u for a national award but right nw I feel like arresting u n ur boss for murder 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: My Bitter Experience As A Doctor Today by xreal: 6:08am On Dec 27, 2015 |
cosmatika: you had the time to take pictures. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: My Bitter Experience As A Doctor Today by Nobody: 6:09am On Dec 27, 2015 |
OP you are young in the profession and this is a first time experience, and at this point in time guilt will not do you any good.. I think you should just read and learn some other possibilities where you can help if the situation repeats itself or some similar situations. Let me share this with you.. A lecturer gave us a story of while they were recruiting for medical doctors in their facility So there was this smart guy that they wanted to employ but when they went through his history, he had criminal record (drunk driving while he was 18) which most facilities would not tolerate for their doctors. So one lady in the panel insisted that they employ the guy, although she didn't know him from Adams but she agreed to sign a guarantors form for him. Really the guy turned out to be exceptional. When they asked the lady why she insisted on that guy even with his criminal record, she said at 18YO he was still an teenager and you cannot judge him very well based on that action and while they were interviewing the guy, she could tell during the interview that the guy is not the type that will take laid down rules to the grave.....he had this sweet stubbornness in him that he can bend some hospital policies to save lives since saving life is the ultimate. But if he was applying as a pharmacist she would have not taken the risk with him.. Truth is that maybe you were naïve, confused, scared about your job or so many things that's why you went about looking for credit but then saving lives ranks far above all those... Right now, take some warm milk and sleep 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: My Bitter Experience As A Doctor Today by Galaxydon1(m): 6:10am On Dec 27, 2015 |
Its your fault, someone told you not to save a life and you are bold enough to say it. If you really care you would have donated ur money. Nobody takes his or her money to the grave.. When i was a kid i sold my best phone nokia n70 to save a life,.. Spits on ur face. 2 Likes |
Re: My Bitter Experience As A Doctor Today by bomasek(m): 6:13am On Dec 27, 2015 |
Prince16:I concur 1 Like |
Re: My Bitter Experience As A Doctor Today by kasali007(m): 6:18am On Dec 27, 2015 |
In the facility I did my housemanship, we have direct link to d CMD and he always gv go ahead for accident victims,we request for police report only for criminal cases...save life first 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: My Bitter Experience As A Doctor Today by safepassage2015: 6:19am On Dec 27, 2015 |
ogawisdom:i am a dr and i dont kill people. People like you are ingrates and bad example to the society. Please next time you are sick kindly visit a babalawo near your place of residence since you believe drs are murderers. The OP is a young dr that made a mistake and is stupid enough to put it on nairaland. He will grow and learn. People like you should not generalize about drs because of this incidents. Drs risk their lives daily to save people and you come here and open your dirty mouth to call us names. Idiot!!!! 7 Likes 1 Share |
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