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Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by maverickboy: 1:42pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
snailspeed:No! It's not about sentiment. It's about how it should be. Security vote, money is release to head of governance out of trust that it would be used for something appropriate. 4 Likes |
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by snailspeed: 1:43pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
rolchi: Well if that is what you call it. I actually dont support the security vote idea the way it is run in Nigeria. It gives room for corruption but that is what the law is right now and you can see that even the Buhari government isnt willing to change it because they too will use it to their advantage 17 Likes 1 Share |
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by TonyeBarcanista(m): 1:45pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
snailspeed:Oga forget what GEJ said in USA. There are document with DSS and EFCC. Sambo Dasuki, the main at the center insisted that GEJ approved the $2.2billion for arms. What Iwaela said was that she wasn't part of the entire $2.2billion extra budgetary arms deal, she said she was only involved in the committee that allocated $300million Abacha fund to Dasuki. The $300million isn't exclusive of the $2.2billion, it forms part. Jonathan on his own said he didn't approve $2.2billion "at once", and nobody said it was approved "at once". GEJ is yet to deny approving it. Beside, there are documents and authorisations. Again, it is no scam. Dokpesi and co should save their sermon for the judge. 33 Likes 4 Shares |
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by snailspeed: 1:46pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
maverickboy: Like I said in another post, I dont even support the security vote idea. But that is what the law is for now and I dont see the Buhari government trying to change it so I guess they too are benefitting from it 7 Likes |
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by snailspeed: 1:50pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
TonyeBarcanista: There are no documents anywhere to show such propaganda. It is what it is, cheap propaganda! If there are documents to prove such claims 1. The EFCC will be very willing to go through the whole process legally and not resort to their media trial and gestapo style prosecution 2. The charges brought against Dasuki in court would have reflected that. Total charges brought against Dasuki in court is less than N50 billion. $2.1B is not N50B my friend, except you attended night school like I suspect! And Dopkesi has already said he should be charged to court. The only people actually shying away from the courts is the government, not the accused. Metuh has said to them, lets go to court. But EFCC is keeping him and bringing out one propaganda after another of how he ate papers and how he called people's names. Such a sham! 60 Likes 5 Shares |
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by maverickboy: 1:51pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
snailspeed:Bro, seriously I don't know why you are fighting for these crooks. The money under NSO 9 Likes |
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by snailspeed: 1:55pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
maverickboy: Please leave that propaganda line. I wont fall for it. Nobody is a crook until a court says so. As soon as the court pronounces them as crooks, I will come back here and call them that, you can trust me on that. Until then, I will not call someone a crook because Buhari or the EFCC say they are. On a more general level, I can refer to Nigerian politicians as crooks because we all know that there is corruption in the system. But using that as an alibi to label anyone as corrupt so you can go after them or keep them shut is nothing but tyrany. That is anti democratic and I will never support that. 59 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by TonyeBarcanista(m): 1:58pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
rolchi:Thank you! The $2.2 billion is the subtotal amount for extra-budgeted money for arms deal. So far, neither Dasuki nor the DFA ONSA has refuted the $2.2billion. They are the major players. Remember that the money didn't come in a whole block. Secondly, you can't charge Dasuki for "stealing" or diverting $2.2billion when you are yet to establish that he diverted/stole all the monies on his own. He will be only charged for whatever is connected to him and he's being charged in batches. Also remember that there are other players that will share in the prosecution. The bafarawas, Dokpesis, Haliru etc. 18 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by Goke7: 1:59pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
snailspeed: the media trial you guys keep shouting easily gives you guys away that you are becoming increasingly uncomfortable with the ongoing investigations because of the persons being exposed, but I thought metu has sued the Efcc to justify himself why not wait to see how far he can go in getting the Govt to justice. This shout of propaganda you guys keep doing will only compound matters for your heroes. Diplomacy is the way to go with PMB not insults and media noise that you are doing. I have suggested somewhere on this forum that GEJ and other pdp goons should negotiate with PMB on how these stolen monies can be return, the more you keep shouting propaganda, the more the Efcc will continue to chase and hunt all the looters till they vomit all the yams. If you think PMB or this Govt is joking then you are in for a long ride 28 Likes 1 Share |
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by drss(m): 2:01pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
cfame1:omojuwa na confirm aisha rice eater. 7 Likes 1 Share |
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by Ola17: 2:01pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
It was a well crafted stunt to distract the masses and persecute any dissenting voice so Buhari can fully consolidate power. Does that mean I think many of the politicians mentioned in the scandal are clean? By no means! Nigerian politicians are corrupt without a doubt including the presidency and everyone in the rulling APC party. The president's campaign itself was sponsored from corruption I find it really deceitful when I see lines like "what will you tell the Nigerian soldiers that didnt have weapons to fight and were killed because Dasuki shared the arms money". That is nothing but propaganda and trying to appeal to sentiments to push a narrative. If that were the case, what has the same military been using to fight BH in the last 8 months since Buhari has not bought any new weapons? What weapons did the army use to push back BH prior to the 2015 elections? Did they push BH back with their bare hands too? Even Lie Mohammed claims BH has been defeated. With which weapons did the army defeat BH? With their bare hands? 5 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by snailspeed: 2:03pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
Goke7: Please think well before you share your ignorance in public. 1. The panel he setup had not even concluded their report before the DSS and EFCC started using the so called findings for their propaganda 2. Your spew of sentiments is the exact propaganda line that has been used to peddle falsehood. Using the sentiments of insurgency to push the false narrative is nauseating. Didnt you and your ilks applaud when SA seized about $9.3 million that was supposed to be used to purchase arms for the fight? Even Buhari and the APC leadership advised SA to keep the money. Now you claim you care for the victims of insurgency? Such hypocrisy! You and your kind did everything you could to undermine the fight against insurgency so you have no moral right to come here and preach with blood stained hands. And stop using God's name when you do your propaganda and falsehood. Its shameful! 74 Likes 11 Shares |
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by TonyeBarcanista(m): 2:07pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
snailspeed:I don't get your point. You can't charge Dasuki for looting the whole $2.2billion except you can establish that he on his own diverted the entire money. However, there are people involved that will share part in the prosecution. Also be aware that the FG is charging Sambo in bits. Secondly, if neither Sambo Dasuki nor the Director of finance denied the $2.2billion, what exactly are you harping your argument on? Thirdly, the investigators has said they have documents, this the people in the center didn't dispute. I don't know why again you are disputing. Fouthly, Dokpesi has already been charged to court, he's on bail. He will explain to the judge. Bail is not freedom Fifthly, there is nothing like media trial. I am not aware of any. The media only report events. 25 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by amaechi1: 2:07pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
It is propaganda but some people are testifying to have received money. Even Dasuki himself acknowledged that monies were shared. Perhaps, you have benefited from the loot and you are afraid the bus will soon stop at your door post. Don't worry it will soon get there. 17 Likes 1 Share |
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by theshadyexpress(m): 2:07pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
Goke7: channel your grievance to the right quarters bro, don't bath this thread with your sentimental crap, boko haram has killed a few thousands of people under Buhari and the presidiot has not bought a single rifle for the army,soldiers morale has been badly silenced but yet your presidiot is claiming victory. he is the one that you should be angry with and i wonder why you are not asking for Buhari to be jailed since under him too people have also been killed by boko haram. this whole arms scandal is a well articulated media propaganda by the devilish APC party and it is targeted at distracting your attention from pressing issues like the economy,shiites massacre, IPOB demonstrations, stock market crash et al. it is what APC needs to whip up sentiments for itself and its band of economic assassins. not everybody can be fooled and i dare to stand out even if it means standing alone 32 Likes 4 Shares |
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by snailspeed: 2:07pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
TonyeBarcanista: You keep defeating yourself in your own posts! Hear yourself: "Secondly, you can't charge Dasuki for "stealing" or diverting $2.2billion when you are yet to establish that he diverted/stole all the monies on his own." How can you say he diverted money at all if you dont know how he diverted it? Arent you confused? That means you arrested a man, claimed he is a thief and you are now trying to find out what and how he stole? Thank you for defeating your own arguments. You just made it very clear it is all propaganda and media trial!!! 68 Likes 6 Shares |
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by theshadyexpress(m): 2:10pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
TonyeBarcanista: guy dont let me lose my respect for you, can you please show us the link where Dasuki said GEJ approved "2,1 bn dollars" for arms purchase? for crying out loud if you want to support APC govt do it with pride and stop acting a script 54 Likes 4 Shares |
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by fallout87: 2:11pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
Well written and intelligent post from OP. 14 Likes 1 Share |
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by snailspeed: 2:14pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
TonyeBarcanista: Where and when did Dasuki admit the $2.2B. Again, you like to throw all this fake propaganda about like fact. Dasuki has not had any chance to even come to the public to defend himself and has said clearly that he will only speak in court. But the goverment has tried to keep him out of circulation by continous incaceration. So keep your propaganda to yourself. If the investigators have valid documents, they will be very willing to go through the courts and not resort to a media campaign. Let them go to court and stop all this disrespect for the law and the constitution 41 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by theshadyexpress(m): 2:15pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
TonyeBarcanista: stop trying to change the goal post 1) there is no where dasuki admitted GEJ approved any 2.1bn dollars 2)the total amount alleged in court by the EFCC to have been siphoned is a far cry from the much talked about 2.1bn dollars 3)There is enough evidence to indeed prove that arms were purchased, so where did the FG get the money from tonye my guy, psycophancy dont pay like objectivity does 43 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by TonyeBarcanista(m): 2:15pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
snailspeed:Comprehension is indeed an issue here. Sambo Dasuki's office as NSA(ONSA) was given $2.2billion to purchase arms. The money was "diverted" to purpose other than arms purchase. The whole money didn't end up in Dasuki account alone, some other people participated. How can you then charge Dasuki for the whole $2.2billion? This is a straightforward thing. You can only charge Sambo for stealing whatever is traced to him, and perhaps as conspirator and accestory in what went to others. Hence, this..... ""Secondly, you can't charge Dasuki for "stealing" or diverting $2.2billion when you are yet to establish that he diverted/stole all the monies on his own."" 16 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by theshadyexpress(m): 2:18pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
amaechi1: give us a link to where dasuki said money was shared stop believing beer parlour gists, read and be enlightened 23 Likes 1 Share |
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by deji68: 2:19pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
Nice one Op ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() snailspeed: 14 Likes 1 Share |
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by theshadyexpress(m): 2:21pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
maverickboy: enlighten yourself bro, NSA office is not for arms purchase alone,they carry out other functions and all these are budgeted for Find out and thank me later 17 Likes 1 Share |
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by TonyeBarcanista(m): 2:22pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
theshadyexpress:Sambo Dasuki is alove and not dead. He is yet to refute the said $2.2billion. What is your own inside? Were you paid peanut by the indictee? Whether or not EFCC(under PDP) looted more does not nullify the subject at hand. Even if a percentage of the sum was used for arms, it still doesn't invalidate the subject. They should explain to the investigators and the judge. 12 Likes 1 Share |
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by TonyeBarcanista(m): 2:22pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
theshadyexpress:Sambo Dasuki is alive and not dead. He is yet to refute the said $2.2billion. What is your own inside? Were you paid peanut by the indictee? Whether or not EFCC(under PDP) looted more does not nullify the subject at hand. Even if a percentage of the sum was used for arms, it still doesn't invalidate the subject. They should explain to the investigators and the judge. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by drss(m): 2:24pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
theshadyexpress:most of dem ar basing their views on d media, unfortunately for dem, more dan half of d news about dasukigate ar lies. 14 Likes 1 Share |
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by Ola17: 2:24pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
Op God bless You a million times over(pardon me if you are an atheist, God bless you still) Most Nigerians lack the ability of logical reasoning, so given to primitivism. Most can't think beyond their stomach. Well, what do I expect in a nation where the average IQ is 70 ![]() I used to be a supporter of this administration, but this Dasuki case and other events made me have a rethink, it was never about the masses. Any smart person will draw a line between these things: The Shia massacre Dasuki Namdi Kanu etc Why all politicians are running over to APC. It was all about consolidation of power just like you rightly said. 25 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by snailspeed: 2:24pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
TonyeBarcanista: In addition to being a sycophant for Buhari, you are really not that intelligent. Just read your own post again. If the $2.2B money was diverted to purpose other than arms purchase then Dasuki is certainly guilty of corruption of the whole sum, not just the one he used to buy things for himself. Isnt he the one who disbured it? Or someone else was in charge of the money who now debursed Dasuki's own share to him? You are terribly confused! You dey fall hand no be small. Shameful! 61 Likes 5 Shares |
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by snailspeed: 2:28pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
TonyeBarcanista: He is yet to refute? What nonsense is that? Has he accepted too? What kind of refuting do you want him to do? He should call a world press conference or give a SOTU speech to refute it? The man has said take me to court and I will give my case. But the tyrant has kept him incacerated and away from the public and you are here trying to push falsehood? Very shameful my friend 47 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by TonyeBarcanista(m): 2:31pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
snailspeed:Can't you read? He is GUILTY of corruption but can't be charged for looting the whole money. Those that participated will also be charged alongside. The FG has decided to prosecute them independently. This is common sense. Dasuki can be charged as conspirator to what goes to Dokpesi but he can't be charge for stealing what goes to Dokpesi. Dokpesi will be charged for that. You have been employing insult and name calling to backup your claim. Honestly, this is a testament that you have weak argument. If Dasuki and the DFA didn't refute the $2.2billion, I wonder what you base your premise on. Perhaps, a paymaster of yours is involved... Anyway, save that for the judge 16 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by theshadyexpress(m): 2:32pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
TonyeBarcanista: Sambo dasuki is indeed alive but will not be allowed to say his side of the story by the EFCC and DSS. can you tell me when he spoke about how he received approval for 2,1 bn dollars? thats all i asked of you or did sambo dasuki tell u all this in person? you have long lost your penchant for objectivity and its shameful. the TonyeBarcanista of before will provide a link and sufficient proof to defend his points but now he has been reduced to defending beer parlour thrash. dont know what made you change but i must say that if its for monetary considerations then its not worth it 18 Likes 1 Share |
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