Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by femivita: 5:01pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
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Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by Goke7: 5:03pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
snailspeed:
Please educate yourself. A man is innocent until proven guilty! Please repeat that 7 times so it sinks into your head. That is one of the tenets of democracy and justice. So I dont need to justify him. He is justified in the eyes of the law until proven guilty. I will bash GMB and his government because they are failing as far as justice is concerned. They are breaking the laws they have sworn to uphold.
This your post is just sentiments. Please argue on facts Then Take the govt to court after all some of your folks have taken them to ICC, take actions and stop ranting online cos no one takes you serious here |
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by maasoap(m): 5:05pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
seunmsg:
This should put an end to all the unnecessary argument on this thread. The OP is a shameless liar who is here to defend corruption at all cost. No amount of lies and deceit can shake the resolve of this administration to fight corruption to standstill. Dasuki must account for every kobo of the $2.1billion he and Jonathan converted to campaign slush funds. After that, he will be jailed for a very long time. Sorry snailspeed, you tried but your lies found you out. Your attempt at confusing the people is dead on arrival. $1 billion on March 27, 2014;
$200 million on April 9, 2014;
$600 million on May 5, 2014;
and, same day, $200 million following a request for $250 million.
The documents also showed that on January 12, 2015, he got $100 million, bringing the total amount his office received from the NNPC to $2.1 billion within the nine months. " I hope he reads this time line. |
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by Utchman1: 5:05pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
Okay. |
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by akinsbaba2015: 5:06pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
The OP and his entourage and his sympathizers ended up making a fool of themselves. They must not get weary as they defend their paymasters. They are even free to carry placards in court when the case resumes. |
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by Ecoterrorism(f): 5:06pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
Goke7:
I will not condemn but rather asked if you or anyone close to you was a victim of the insurgency, will you ever come out with a piece like this? I think we should careful when we try to confuse our personal opinions or experience in discussing very sensitive national matters, GEJ is not that hated as you and your fellow admirers think but the way and and manner you guys confuse very sensitive national matters with how you will feel personally over issues requires some restraint.
You guys have forgotten that it was when PMB set up a panel to probe whether monies budgeted to spent on arms to fight insurgency was used judiciously that all the revelations we have been hearing emerged, we are talking serious matters here and you are trying to be technical by saying that they were security votes, if its security votes, how come falae, dokpesi, obaigbena that are not security contractors benefited from the funds.
Please for once be sympathetic to the plight of the victims of the insurgency and don't let your hatred for PMB and love for GEJ make you a human being without feelings to the down trodden. Thanks and God bless your comments appeals to emotions but the truth is that the law courts will determine the facts and seperate propaganda 6 Likes |
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by seunmsg(m): 5:07pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
EbukaFran:
Waste of time. He will dodge your question and accuse u of been a sycophant
He has achieved his aim, this is what he was paid for. For this garbage to make FP .
One poster said something earlier and I believe him. This is a fight back because investigations is getting closer home.
Can you see Matthew Kukah shouting everywhere? He is afraid. Lolzzz
The same strategy Metuh used before he was picked up. Deny abuse and make false claims
The rate at which falsehood peddled by forces against the anti-corruption campaign make FP this days is alarming. This thread is full of lies and falsehood and still, the supermod moved it to FP. I sincerely hope some of these mods have not been compromised. |
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by maestroferddi: 5:07pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
TonyeBarcanista: No Sir! The $2.2 billion wasn't for "security vote" as you claim. It was an extra-budgetary amount that the FG set aside for arms purchase. It is different from the $1billion that the FG borrowed in 2014 for same purpose and other budgeted expenses.
The so-called $300million returned Abacha loot forms part of the $2.2 billion extra budgeted for arms purchase. They aren't for "Security vote". Even the authorisation by Jonathan said arms purchase. Sambo Dasuki didn't deny that. In fact, he said that Jonathan approved the $2.2billion for the purpose.
N/B: The arms purchase $2.2billion is different from the appropriated monies by the NASS. Allow the people invoved to defend themselves.
It isn't propaganda Sir! You are an unrepentant noisemaker! One minute you are rooting for APC, the next moment you have jumped on the PDP bandwagon. Where exactly do you intend to ascend making out as an unconsciously unprincipled character? 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by akinsbaba2015: 5:08pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
It's just sad that the illiteracy and lack of patriotism that you see on the streets have been imported into several online forums all in a bid to defend the alleged looters of the treasury. 1 Like |
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by kachnov(m): 5:09pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
theshadyexpress:
channel your grievance to the right quarters bro, don't bath this thread with your sentimental crap, boko haram has killed a few thousands of people under Buhari and the presidiot has not bought a single rifle for the army,soldiers morale has been badly silenced but yet your presidiot is claiming victory. he is the one that you should be angry with and i wonder why you are not asking for Buhari to be jailed since under him too people have also been killed by boko haram.
this whole arms scandal is a well articulated media propaganda by the devilish APC party and it is targeted at distracting your attention from pressing issues like the economy,shiites massacre, IPOB demonstrations, stock market crash et al. it is what APC needs to whip up sentiments for itself and its band of economic assassins. not everybody can be fooled and i dare to stand out even if it means standing alone Please tell them,when. you see some ignorant comments these zombies make then you know we are really in for it. 2 Likes |
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by akinsbaba2015: 5:10pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
maestroferddi: You are unrepentant noisemaker!
One minute you are rooting for APC, the next moment you have jumped on the PDP bandwagon. By your own comment we know you are on the side of the disciples and defender of the corrupt elite.
Where exactly do you intend to ascend making out as an unconsciously unprincipled character? |
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by Kingspin(m): 5:10pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
Brainwashing can be a disease. Nigeria has not change to anything since the last election. Media is selling the people are suffering. Which way? |
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by drss(m): 5:10pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
Ahmeduana:
MAIN WHILE THE ZOMBIES HAVE FORGOTTEN THAT DASUKI LAWYER CAME OUT AND CATEGORICALLY DENIED THAT DASUKI DID NOT MENTION THOSE NAMES THAT EFCC ARE SHOUTING. some nigerians prefare lies dan d truth. they will soon be shocked. |
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by maasoap(m): 5:10pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
maestroferddi: You are unrepentant noisemaker!
One minute you are rooting for APC, the next moment you have jumped on the PDP bandwagon.
Where exactly do you intend to ascend making out as an unconsciously unprincipled character? You want to kill yourself because he realized that he wasn't doing himself and the nation any favour by defending looters of our collective wealth? You're free to knock your head against the rock anytime. 2 Likes |
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by akinsbaba2015: 5:12pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
maestroferddi: You are unrepentant noisemaker!
One minute you are rooting for APC, the next moment you have jumped on the PDP bandwagon.
Where exactly do you intend to ascend making out as an unconsciously unprincipled character? . By your comment we know where you belong. A true disciple and defender of the corrupt elite. |
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by Goke7: 5:13pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
Ecoterrorism: your comments appeals to emotions but the truth is that the law courts will determine the facts and seperate propaganda Then let's wait for the courts instead of trying to pre-empt investigations which is what the op is trying to do here. |
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by TheFreeOne: 5:13pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
maestroferddi: You are unrepentant noisemaker!
One minute you are rooting for APC, the next moment you have jumped on the PDP bandwagon.
Where exactly do you intend to ascend making out as an unconsciously unprincipled character? Are you insinuating TonyeBarcanista is a chameleon in disguise 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by maasoap(m): 5:14pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
drss: some nigerians prefare lies dan d truth. they will soon be shocked. Lol. May be you forget that some are now voluntarily returning their shares claiming that they didn't know that the money was meant for something else. Was that a lie too? |
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by Myself2(m): 5:15pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
snailspeed: I have been following the so called Dasukigate and I am amazed how easy it is for a government to use the media to deceive and distract the ignorant masses. History has shown that propaganda remains the biggest tool of any government that intends to enslave a people. Unfortnately, even the current opposition has been quite incompetent in putting the records straight
For the records, there is nothing like a $2.1B arms money. It was a propaganda masterstroke well concotted by the DSS and EFCC to distract everyone from the incompetence of the Buhari administration. That is why former president Goodluck Jonathan has come out twice now to put the records staright that he never approved any $2.1B arms money. But it seems the ignorant masses still dont get it. So where did the "$2.1B arms money" headline originate from?
$2.1B was the monies that was allocated to the office of the NSA throughout Dasuki's tenure as NSA. These monies come under SECURITY VOTE. It was not money allocated to the purchase of weapons as the DSS and the EFCC have claimed. That is why they cant take Dasuki to court. They will lose woefully. Security vote is not money allocated for arms purchase. Of the whole monies that make up the $2.1B, only the $300 million from the returned Abacha loot was actually recommended for the purchase of arms. That is why in court, the charges brought against Dasuki was in that range. But they are likely going to lose in court for that because weapons were actually purchased. Whether they are worth $300 million is what the EFCC will have to prove in court. But from the way they have been refusing to follow the court process, one is safe to assume that they dont trust their own case against Dasuki.
But why did they go with the headlines of "$2.1 Billion arms purchase money" when they knew it was not the case? Because the whole anti coruption fight was only a propaganda stunt from the beginning. It was a well crafted stunt to distract the masses and persecute any dissenting voice so Buhari can fully consolidate power. Does that mean I think many of the politicians mentioned in the scandal are clean? By no means! Nigerian politicians are corrupt without a doubt including the presidency and everyone in the rulling APC party. The president's campaign itself was sponsored from corruption. The Amaechi corruption scandals are well documented with very strong evidence.
If Dasuki has stolen any funds, he should be prosecuted accordingly, but the media propaganda and charade has got to stop. Media trial is injustice in itself. I find it really deceitful when I see lines like "what will you tell the Nigerian soldiers that didnt have weapons to fight and were killed because Dasuki shared the arms money". That is nothing but propaganda and trying to appeal to sentiments to push a narrative. If that were the case, what has the same military been using to fight BH in the last 8 months since Buhari has not bought any new weapons? What weapons did the army use to push back BH prior to the 2015 elections? Did they push BH back with their bare hands too? Even Lie Mohammed claims BH has been defeated. With which weapons did the army defeat BH? With their bare hands?
It is important we put all these straight so we dont fall for cheap propoaganda by a government that has completely lost its way. The same government that claims they are fighting corruption came out with a terrible corruption laden budget where they intended to connect cables from the President's residence to the drivers residence with N300 million. In fact, the budget of yams was so laden with coruption that they had to shamelessly withdraw it.
The world has changed. If the current government thinks they will continue to rule with propaganda, they should think again because they will be exposed again and again. Thank God for social media and the Internet! [size=18pt]Q.E.D This is the truth that the LYING LIARS dont wish the many gullible Nigerians to know,God bless you bro[/size] 4 Likes |
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by maasoap(m): 5:17pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
Myself2:
[size=18pt]Q.E.D
This is the truth that the LYING LIARS dont wish the many gullible Nigerians to know,God bless you bro[/size] Is it not funny that the truth is coming from someone on a faceless forum rather than from the people at the centre of it. 1 Like |
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by Nobody: 5:18pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
amaechi1: It is propaganda but some people are testifying to have received money. Even Dasuki himself acknowledged that monies were shared. Perhaps, you have benefited from the loot and you are afraid the bus will soon stop at your door post. Don't worry it will soon get there. Lol.. The hungry dude didn't benefit from even Kobo from the money. They are one of these people that hate PMB to the core But thank GOD he and his likes can't do anything about it. They will only continue to wail in pain while Mr president moves the country to the promise land. |
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by maestroferddi: 5:20pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
drss: a wise man once said; ''if u ar going to kill someone, dig two graves''. APC military govt will soon consume demselves in their own propaganda. Dopkesi himself said d so call $2 billion arms saga was a figment of buari's imagination. It is also called the Ji-jitsu principle in strategy and tactics. At times the best way to deal with a devious enemy is to give him a long rope so that he would end up hanging himself. APC, Buhari and EFCC have boxed themselves to a corner. Just like it always happens, they keep concocting more lies to sustain their mendacious narrative... 1 Like |
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by tomakint: 5:20pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
ibietela2:
She said that the money was a "loan" to the NSA, i mean the 300M.
but how much did Abacha borrowed sef? They have been returning it since the time of OBJ Point of correction my brother, they have been returning Abacha's loot since the time of Abdulsalam......trust me that era with Gowon's era were the most wasteful in the history of this Country. 1 Like |
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by Ecoterrorism(f): 5:22pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
Pidggin:
Receive multiple blessings this year! check your mail |
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by drss(m): 5:23pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
maestroferddi: It is also called the Ji-jitsu principle in strategy and tactics.
At times the best way to deal with devious enemy is to give him a long rope so that he would end up hanging himself.
APC, Buhari and EFCC have boxed themselves to a corner. Just like it always happens, they keep concocting more lies to sustain their mendacious narrative... true talk. |
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by bros12345: 5:23pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
Except for the few lines of emotional outburst here and there, this thread is what I would say very intelligent. All the actors (except of course some zombies who dont have any point) have aired their points very constructively. Whether you are for BUhari or GEJ or Nigeria, this is the kind of quality discussion we shouldbe having on nairaland.
OP, I am impressed with your brilliance and maturity with words. Barcanista, you are also impressive.
Lets keep the argument rolling. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by Mrjo(m): 5:27pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
/color] TonyeBarcanista:
Comprehension is indeed an issue here. Sambo Dasuki's office as NSA(ONSA) was given $2.2billion to purchase arms. The money was "diverted" to purpose other than arms purchase. The whole money didn't end up in Dasuki account alone, some other people participated. How can you then charge Dasuki for the whole $2.2billion? This is a straightforward thing. You can only charge Sambo for stealing whatever is traced to him, and perhaps as conspirator and accestory in what went to others.
Hence, this.....
""Secondly, you can't charge Dasuki for "stealing" or diverting $2.2billion when you are yet to establish that he diverted/stole all the monies on his own."" . Ask urself, those people named did govt. gave them any fund, if no,what's ur arguement, or has it become a crime for people to recieve money the work they did? 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by peterjero(m): 5:28pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
TonyeBarcanista:
Comprehension is indeed an issue here. Sambo Dasuki's office as NSA(ONSA) was given $2.2billion to purchase arms. The money was "diverted" to purpose other than arms purchase. The whole money didn't end up in Dasuki account alone, some other people participated. How can you then charge Dasuki for the whole $2.2billion? This is a straightforward thing. You can only charge Sambo for stealing whatever is traced to him, and perhaps as conspirator and accestory in what went to others.
Hence, this.....
""Secondly, you can't charge Dasuki for "stealing" or diverting $2.2billion when you are yet to establish that he diverted/stole all the monies on his own."" You really just defeated yourself here, I have been following silently and I must say you shot your foot real hard on this, are you saying if I give you money for a project and you end up misappropriating the money, I will be wasting effort to prosecute accomplices? Think about what you wrote, you shot yourself. 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by nokingasgod: 5:30pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
snailspeed: I have been following the so called Dasukigate and I am amazed how easy it is for a government to use the media to deceive and distract the ignorant masses. History has shown that propaganda remains the biggest tool of any government that intends to enslave a people. Unfortnately, even the current opposition has been quite incompetent in putting the records straight
For the records, there is nothing like a $2.1B arms money. It was a propaganda masterstroke well concotted by the DSS and EFCC to distract everyone from the incompetence of the Buhari administration. That is why former president Goodluck Jonathan has come out twice now to put the records staright that he never approved any $2.1B arms money. But it seems the ignorant masses still dont get it. So where did the "$2.1B arms money" headline originate from?
$2.1B was the monies that was allocated to the office of the NSA throughout Dasuki's tenure as NSA. These monies come under SECURITY VOTE. It was not money allocated to the purchase of weapons as the DSS and the EFCC have claimed. That is why they cant take Dasuki to court. They will lose woefully. Security vote is not money allocated for arms purchase. Of the whole monies that make up the $2.1B, only the $300 million from the returned Abacha loot was actually recommended for the purchase of arms. That is why in court, the charges brought against Dasuki was in that range. But they are likely going to lose in court for that because weapons were actually purchased. Whether they are worth $300 million is what the EFCC will have to prove in court. But from the way they have been refusing to follow the court process, one is safe to assume that they dont trust their own case against Dasuki.
But why did they go with the headlines of "$2.1 Billion arms purchase money" when they knew it was not the case? Because the whole anti coruption fight was only a propaganda stunt from the beginning. It was a well crafted stunt to distract the masses and persecute any dissenting voice so Buhari can fully consolidate power. Does that mean I think many of the politicians mentioned in the scandal are clean? By no means! Nigerian politicians are corrupt without a doubt including the presidency and everyone in the rulling APC party. The president's campaign itself was sponsored from corruption. The Amaechi corruption scandals are well documented with very strong evidence.
If Dasuki has stolen any funds, he should be prosecuted accordingly, but the media propaganda and charade has got to stop. Media trial is injustice in itself. I find it really deceitful when I see lines like "what will you tell the Nigerian soldiers that didnt have weapons to fight and were killed because Dasuki shared the arms money". That is nothing but propaganda and trying to appeal to sentiments to push a narrative. If that were the case, what has the same military been using to fight BH in the last 8 months since Buhari has not bought any new weapons? What weapons did the army use to push back BH prior to the 2015 elections? Did they push BH back with their bare hands too? Even Lie Mohammed claims BH has been defeated. With which weapons did the army defeat BH? With their bare hands?
It is important we put all these straight so we dont fall for cheap propoaganda by a government that has completely lost its way. The same government that claims they are fighting corruption came out with a terrible corruption laden budget where they intended to connect cables from the President's residence to the drivers residence with N300 million. In fact, the budget of yams was so laden with coruption that they had to shamelessly withdraw it.
The world has changed. If the current government thinks they will continue to rule with propaganda, they should think again because they will be exposed again and again. Thank God for social media and the Internet! So funds allocated to the office of the NSA can be shared among friends, cronies, families, associates, allies etc in a jamboree. |
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by Ecoterrorism(f): 5:31pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
Politicos:
I don't like Omenka, but don't ever compare him **** gbam omenka is a die hard Goebbels that's willing to swim or die with buhari change. I'm a fan but I love being his nemesis |
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by maestroferddi: 5:32pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
maasoap: You want to kill yourself because he realized that he wasn't doing himself and the nation any favour by defending looters of our collective wealth? You're free to knock your head against the rock anytime. The man at this end is not amenable to the rabble-rousing and cheap propaganda which a section of the political class is using to manipulate the hoi polloi. Almost all politicians are cut in the same cloth so why should I be holding brief for any of them? However, I daresay that the way and manner Buhari is conducting himself in this ostensible fight on corruption amounts to a grievous insult to the sensibilities of all rational people. |
Re: $2.1 Billion Arms Money Is Biggest Propaganda Of 2015 by OrlandoOwoh(m): 5:35pm On Jan 13, 2016 |
maestroferddi: You are unrepentant noisemaker!
One minute you are rooting for APC, the next moment you have jumped on the PDP bandwagon.
Where exactly do you intend to ascend making out as an unconsciously unprincipled character? Because he chose not to defend the OP, he is now in PDP? Na wa o. 2 Likes |