Super1Star:


What is "dumorage"?

How is "dumorage" a cost to Govt?

I Correct myself.. I speak of "demurrage" how is it a cost to government?

Ships get delayed at lagos port after arriving.
The port must pay them to wait in line till they are offloaded.
Yes. Customs transfers these costs plus extra to importers..

But importers transfer the costs to consumers /citizens..
Citizens receive their one u from government.

So eventually the money is paid by the government.. Lol crazy country

sweetgala:


Lagos is the centre of commerce and very attractive for investors because of the relative security. In the early to mid 2000s the actions of MEND pushed soo.much investors away from that side, how would dangote build a mega refinery in PH when he can't be sure of the safety of his staff or investment.

The success of Lagos at the detriment of other states is because of the inability of these states to do the needful

agreed that militancy has messed things up but what happened from 60s to 90s?? I mean it was not as if onne was at full blast this period

Super1Star:


What is "dumorage"?

How is "dumorage" a cost to Govt?

It can be charged to government, it is the cost incurred for not processing ships at the docks. You should research the Nigeria cement dumorage saga to get a good idea of how it works

asha80:
actually se,most parts of ss,up to half of middle belt and whole of ne is nearer ph than Lagos...also nothing 'central' about lagos

Thanks pointing that out.

AM sure he has never been to ss or PH or traveled to abuja by road from ss.
So don't blame him.

Fellow "Nigerian" indeed

Super1Star:


Yes, that is while Govt created Onne, Warri, Calabar and Koko.

Govt cannot force importers to use a particular port. The onus lies on the importers themselves. If the Igbos are truly the power house in importation as they used to claim, they can muster their strength to direct ships to Onne, except their level of importation is worthless.

Perhaps, this has shown that their importation is inconsequential to the economy of Nigeria, except proven otherwise.

Their imports are consequential but the economic power is in the SW. Why would a ship berth in Onne when it will only have a few containers destined for that area and then add the insecurity to the mix which Jacks up insurance cost for both the vessel owners and the shippers.

sweetgala:


It can be charged to government, it is the cost incurred for not processing ships at the docks. You should research the Nigeria cement dumorage saga to get a good idea of how it works

Nice

kayfra:


Their imports are consequential but the economic power is in the SW. Why would a ship berth in Onne when it will only have a few containers destined for that area and then add the insecurity to the mix which Jacks up insurance cost for both the vessel owners and the shippers.

Like the FBI forensic accountants always say... "follow the money"

So the question is: who will benefit the most if the onne port stays shut/non fully functional?

Lol... So who is really causing the "insecurity"?

RealityShot:


Like the FBI forensic accountants always say... "follow the money"

So the question is: who will benefit the most if the onne port stays shut/non fully functional?

Lol... So who is really causing the "insecurity"?

It's the cost of militancy and general unruly behavior. Those same people have made the cost of producing oil as high as $28 a barrel when actual cost should be like $12-15 a barrel. Nigeria now has to start shutting down oil fields in the interlands since it's no longer worth lifting and selling at a loss. If the oil was located in the SW in that quantity and we maintained our relative peaceful nature, it would have been a different story.

The militants also ruin the viability of Calabar as a seaport. It's just unfortunate for the peaceful Ibibios, Afangs and other tribes in Akwa Ibom and Cross River area.

sweetgala:


I'm sure onne is a great facility, I meant hostile piracy when individuals attack ships, with the action if MEND and militants in that axis with access to the sea using fast boats this is a reality if the traffic in that axis does increase and these guys sea the easy pickings.

Yes the government can reduce the cost of demorage by improving efficiency, but the FG need to strategize a plan to do this, please stop the ethnic excuse.

Are there really Zero pirates at lagos sea fronts?
Can the method used to ensure safety there not be applied at onne?

Efficiency in every situation dictates that to solve multiple problems faster,
It is better to use 2 or more problem solving whatever..

In our case.. Efficiency is the reason onne was built.
So why leave it to Roth while the problem is actually increasing in all ramifications?

It's not ethnic. It's a national problem.
It affects all including those in lagos, sokoto, borno and cross river states

kayfra:


It's the cost of militancy and general unruly behavior. Those same people have made the cost of producing oil as high as $28 a barrel when actual cost should be like $12-15 a barrel. Nigeria now has to start shutting down oil fields in the interlands since it's no longer worth lifting and selling at a loss. If the oil was located in the SW in that quantity and we maintained our relative peaceful nature, it would have been a different story.

The militants also ruin the viability of Calabar as a seaport. It's just unfortunate for the peaceful Ibibios, Afangs and other tribes in Akwa Ibom and Cross River area.

They can't manufacture fast boats can they(militants)?
So who gave them the boats?

So these militants can not be stopped to cut costs and improve general public life in the country?
The same way it is done at lagos?

sweetgala:


Lagos is the centre of commerce and very attractive for investors because of the relative security. In the early to mid 2000s the actions of MEND pushed soo.much investors away from that side, how would dangote build a mega refinery in PH when he can't be sure of the safety of his staff or investment.

The success of Lagos at the detriment of other states is because of the inability of these states to do the needful

what made Lagos the centre of commerce if not for the decision of ur tribslistic liders to make it the centre of commerce, what is so special about Lagos that calabar, akwa ibom, rivers state does not have to make a better sea port?

sweetgala:


It is not politics and the government beyond creating a favourable environment, by making clearing charges and conditions more attractive in onne can not force private owned vessels to dock at oone if Lagos remains favourable.

There are several reasons and I'll expand on them

1- Reliability and history

For many years this vessels which trade and call at the Nigerian port have docked in Lagos, the captain understand the area from a seafaring perspective.They've always gone to Lagos and have a planned route which may involve visiting multiple ports along West Africa. Ships are not planes they take weeks to cross the ocean. There is no reaon a ship can not dock at onne and then process to Lagos

2 - Safety

PH is the Capital of kidnapping in Nigeria, it is also in proximity to the MEND and ND vandalism and piracy. Why would a ship ladden with goods worth millions of dollars go near such a port, some of these foreign owned and registered ships are not even insured to go near onne.

It is up to the PH SG and governors forum of that GP zone to resolve the security issues for their own benefit. You can't blame a bunch of Yoruba people in Lagos for the actions of PH and ND citiEnrry and it's effect.

3 - Demand

Lagos remains the centre of commerce and trade on Nigeria, and it is used and accessed by all Nigerians, some 50% of imported consumer goods on those ships belong to people from SE, these same people can bring the goods through onne but they'd rather land their goods safely in Lagos ths risk it being hijacked in PH.

Lagos is more central and accessible to.other parts of Nigeria than PH , if the second Niger bridge is built this may equalise things a little.

Govenemt can not force the concept of demand to change, it can only alter it's supply of said demand to encourage individuals to use alternatives

There are other reasons but those are simple immediate ones

u are just confused quote me I will explain. do u know how mag sea ports america has? All u have said is just rubbish.

Super1Star:


If it is a FTZ, the better. Why are the SE importers still not using it? The truth is most importers will not use it even if the FG is paying them through incentives to use it. Maybe the economy of that region cannot sustain their importation through that port.

Insecurity can only be achieved by the concerted efforts of the leaders and youths of the region and not only through Govt coercion.

Insecurity is a perception that is not easy to correct. Before you can contract any foreigner to do any outside SW and Abuja, do you kn how much extra it will cost in comparison with what same foreigner would have charged for a job in SW and Abuja?

In a simple layman's language, which might be easier for you to understand -- you are paying premium for the insecurity.

That is the reason we should always be careful of our actions when we are shouting we are fighting for our rights under the name of militancy, kidnapping, robbery etc.

Well said..


So do we leave the cost of the sea port and efficiency it promises to waste?

Am sure the problem can be solved.. Pipeline vandalism was solved by yaradua right?

OP onne seaport is for mostly oil vessels..

RealityShot:


They can't manufacture fast boats can they(militants)?
So who gave them the boats?

So these militants can not be stopped to cut costs and improve general public life in the country?
The same way it is done at lagos?

And you expect a serious response? Really?

You can go asks the militants about their procurement contracts and practices.

When the last government kept enabling them and spoon feeding them even to the point of giving them security contracts. What did you think they were doing? You give people easy money and easy access to money and do you think they'll sit still when you shut it down?

Herald47:
this is one of the reasons some people called jonathan a clueless man.
When nnamdi azikiwe was there he brought UNN.

When tafawa balewa was there he brought ahmadu bello university.

When shagari was there he initiated plans to move the f.c.t from lagos to abuja.

When maj.Gen.buhari was there he built kaduna refinery.

When IBB was there he moved the capital from lagos to abuja.

When abacha was there he over looted.

When gej was there he....?

he introduced fuel subsidy. hahahahaha

Living4christ:
what made Lagos the centre of commerce if not for the decision of ur tribslistic liders to make it the centre of commerce, what is so special about Lagos that calabar, akwa ibom, rivers state does not have to make a better sea port?

Guy, receive sense in Jesus name. This issue has been debated on several threads and it has nothing to do with tribalism, and a lot to do with insecurity, and failure of SE importers to consign their goods to Onne. Shuo!!

GeniusDavid:
OP onne seaport is for mostly oil vessels..

But it's name us WEST AFRICAN CONTAINER TERMINAL (WACT)


so how is it restricted to oil vessels?

Living4christ:


u are just confused quote me I will explain. do u know how mag sea ports america has? All u have said is just rubbish.

America - Nigeria.

Now who is confused, do you understand the golf in our respective economies, the economy of California is bigger than that of the whole of Nigeria. We are speaking if an organised system, more ships dock and get processed at the Oakland port daily than three major countries in west africa combined.

Using the same analogy do you know how many airports and train stations America has. My good friend come back when you realise demand is relative.

Not only does America have a population that dwarfs ours, its has an economy we can not aspire to in the next 20 years unless we do 2 years of dry fasting and prayers and then hope we get lucky.

I have not said Onne is not viable or is not crucial in our national development, I've just raised some valid points why many vesel may shy away from it for now.
At present we have a FG who have an integrated plan to improve infrastructure and diversify the economy and onne is an integral part of that, we have a FG who know the rail and road system has to be in place and functional to support goods and services brought in and out of Nigeria, a FG who would not use the completion of the very necessary 2nd Niger bridge as a political leverage.

sweetgala:


America - Nigeria.

Now who is confused, do you understand the golf in our respective economies, the economy of California is bigger than that of the whole of Nigeria. We are speaking if an organised system, more ships dock and get processed at the Oakland port daily than three major countries in west africa combined.

Using the same analogy do you know how many airports and train stations America has. My good friend come back when you realise demand is relative.

Not only does America have a population that dwarfs ours, its has an economy we can not aspire to in the next 20 years unless we do 2 years of dry fasting and prayers and then hope we get lucky.

I have not said Onne is not viable or is not crucial in our national development, I've just raised some valid points why many vesel may shy away from it for now.
At present we have a FG who have an integrated plan to improve infrastructure and diversify the economy and onne is an integral part of that, we have a FG who know the rail and road system has to be in place and functional to support goods and services brought in and out of Nigeria, a FG who would not use the completion of the very necessary 2nd Niger bridge as a political leverage.

sorry do you have links to these intergrated plans road,rail and seaport? I have once searched for it but did not find it

Super1Star:


Yes, that is while Govt created Onne, Warri, Calabar and Koko.

Govt cannot force importers to use a particular port. The onus lies on the importers themselves. If the Igbos are truly the power house in importation as they used to claim, they can muster their strength to direct ships to Onne, except their level of importation is worthless.

Perhaps, this has shown that their importation is inconsequential to the economy of Nigeria, except proven otherwise.

Bitter man. You couldn't help but throw a shade at the Igbos on this constructive thread. Up until this particular post the thread has being just fine. Grow up.

Living4christ:


what made Lagos the centre of commerce if not for the decision of ur tribslistic liders to make it the centre of commerce, what is so special about Lagos that calabar, akwa ibom, rivers state does not have to make a better sea port?

Ask all the SE traders who have moved from their base in the east to Lagos, with the high rent and cost of commerce why it is so attractive.

Ask the foreign missions and multinationals who moved their HQ to Lagos in the light of the insecurity in the ND and SE amdd North due to kidnapping and brigandry. Even with the craze NURTW have tbey have never been known to kidnap a expatriate for ransom.

Ask the numerous governors who have run Lagos from Maruwa to Ambode who know the secret to attracting internal and external investors is creating a good environment, I was shocked when my cousin who is doing rather very well in Abuja told me during weekends Abuja is empty cause everyone goes to Lagos to enjoy the fruits of their labour.

Ask the citizenry who have created an accommodating enviromr for all who come to seek the Nigerian dream of fame and fortune so long they come with good intentions.

Lagos is the centre of Nigeria, and while PH and Enugu can be fun they do not have the woaw factor Lagos has, be jealous very jealous.

I'm not even a lagosian I hate the city, it is too rowdy for me, too busy, too congested, but I appreciate the reality of things.

Stop blaming the Yoruba for taking what they had and making good gains over time, this your tribalistic excuse is getting long in the tooth. Blame the citizenry of that state for not assaulting the ills in their society, God forbid the day the son born into a good house with ancestry decenfs into the vagabond levels MEND did, destroying the pipelines and by so doing the rivers and farms their people feed off. Go find out what the Yoruba call such children

asha80:
sorry do you have links to these intergrated plans road,rail and seaport? I have once searched for it but did not find it

You should have a read of the budget. Don't act as thou you are oblivious to the actions of the FG in the past few months since the ministers got elected

RealityShot:


Are there really Zero pirates at lagos sea fronts?
Can the method used to ensure safety there not be applied at onne?

Efficiency in every situation dictates that to solve multiple problems faster,
It is better to use 2 or more problem solving whatever..

In our case.. Efficiency is the reason onne was built.
So why leave it to Roth while the problem is actually increasing in all ramifications?

It's not ethnic. It's a national problem.
It affects all including those in lagos, sokoto, borno and cross river states

The piracy in Onne should be addressed to your brothers in MEND and other such militants who are bent on disturbing peace.

Ever wondered why Tinubu/ SW APC and the Afenifere/OPC don't get along, it's because the AC failed to allow them drag Yoruba society down in the name of promoting Oodua ideology, clean up your house and the FG would be motivated to do more.

FG has been pumping money into Onne and using it where possible but if people insist on making life difficult what do you expect. FG is not in the business of losing money no matter how the previous GEJ government made it look like so, and definitely the private sector will not entertain inefficiency

sweetgala:


You should have a read of the budget. Don't act as thou you are oblivious to the actions of the FG in the past few months since the ministers got elected

first what I read about rds during fashola's briefing was that federal rds connecting states (especially high traffic ones) would get immediate attention( the particular rds were not specified ) ..i later came across some snippets of the budget and came across some rds that the budget wanted to address( but I don't think I saw all the rds 2016 budgeted for because some high traffic rds were absent?

I have read about amechi and ph and aba rail and it ends there

I have not heard about anything concerning sea port development so pardon me

asha80:
first what I read about rds during fashola's briefing was that federal rds connecting states (especially high traffic ones) would get immediate attention( the particular rds were not specified ) ..i later came across some snippets of the budget and came across some rds that the budget wanted to address( but I don't think I saw all the rds 2016 budgeted for because some high traffic rds were absent?

I have read about amechi and ph and aba rail and it ends there

I have not heard about anything concerning sea port development so pardon me

The journey of a thousand years starts with a step. As you said yourself the 2016 budget

Most of the seaport developments have either been budgeted for and in progress and therefore don't need any more attention until further notice. A great number are all either state organised PPP

sweetgala:


Ask all the SE traders who have moved from their base in the east to Lagos, with the high rent and cost of commerce why it is so attractive.

Ask the foreign missions and multinationals who moved their HQ to Lagos in the light of the insecurity in the ND and SE amdd North due to kidnapping and brigandry. Even with the craze NURTW have tbey have never been known to kidnap a expatriate for ransom.

Ask the numerous governors who have run Lagos from Maruwa to Ambode who know the secret to attracting internal and external investors is creating a good environment, I was shocked when my cousin who is doing rather very well in Abuja told me during weekends Abuja is empty cause everyone goes to Lagos to enjoy the fruits of their labour.

Ask the citizenry who have created an accommodating enviromr for all who come to seek the Nigerian dream of fame and fortune so long they come with good intentions.

Lagos is the centre of Nigeria, and while PH and Enugu can be fun they do not have the woaw factor Lagos has, be jealous very jealous.

I'm not even a lagosian I hate the city, it is too rowdy for me, too busy, too congested, but I appreciate the reality of things.

Stop blaming the Yoruba for taking what they had and making good gains over time, this your tribalistic excuse is getting long in the tooth. Blame the citizenry of that state for not assaulting the ills in their society, God forbid the day the son born into a good house with ancestry decenfs into the vagabond levels MEND did, destroying the pipelines and by so doing the rivers and farms their people feed off. Go find out what the Yoruba call such children

Don't mention Enugu, it doesn't have a sea port; the limiting factor to the progress to Onne seaport is the insecurity there but that doesn't mean it can't be tackled by the FG if they want to. Sometimes I wonder how the SE would have been booming if were close to the sea/ocean. The ND indigenes don't seem to value the resources they have because I don't see why this ports should be left dormant over there.

sweetgala:


The journey of a thousand years starts with a step. As you said yourself the 2016 budget

Most of the seaport developments have either been budgeted for and in progress and therefore don't need any more attention until further notice. A great number are all either state organised PPP

the way you wrote about the present fg having an intergrated plan about infrastructure made me believe you are privy to some kind of document or a link online

Because the market is closer to Lagos.

Most people would want to dock close to wher3 the market is

Lagos Plus the Southwest have a population of over 40M why would you want to dock close to the SE where they dont have the buying population there

If you are importing say generators, you dock in Onne, one docks in Lagos, Assuming its the same cost of landing. you would have to spend extra to transport yours to the Southwest where most of the buyers reside while Mr B sends less

Living4christ:


what made Lagos the centre of commerce if not for the decision of ur tribslistic liders to make it the centre of commerce, what is so special about Lagos that calabar, akwa ibom, rivers state does not have to make a better sea port?

Whats so special? 20M economically viable residents plus another 25million within a 3hrs drive of Lagos.

Show me anywhere that has such. People graviatate to where the market is.

Ask why every company wants to be in New York compared to Wisconsin

RealityShot:


But it's name us WEST AFRICAN CONTAINER TERMINAL (WACT)


so how is it restricted to oil vessels?

Well I stay around the Area, and to my best of knowledge, The Port deals with 90% Oil vessels and containers due to the Large amount of Oil companies in the area, its not been a major route for those dealing with Goods and other commodities.

Emekamex:


Don't mention Enugu, it doesn't have a sea port; the limiting factor to the progress to Onne seaport is the insecurity there but that doesn't mean it can't be tackled by the FG if they want to. Sometimes I wonder how the SE would have been booming if were close to the sea/ocean. The ND indigenes don't seem to value the resources they have because I don't see why this ports should be left dormant over there.

I mentioned Enugu in reference to it being viewed as a city with a lot of potential, as a metropolitan city.

You did hit the nail on it's head, the people have a duty to ensure their answers to it's potential