Ejemehn:



Binis are not yorubas. They have never been and will never be. If Cuba and Brazil are claiming Yoruba, so be it. But Edos are not Yoruba. They have never begged to be part of Yoruba nation and will never be.

OPCNAIRALAND:


You got it mixed up pardner.

Bini is a migrant group to Edoland. Binis are the State Rulers that emigrated from Ile Ife and ruled over Edoland.

The pre State, under rulership of Ogiso ended its dynastic power when the Ile Ife State Rulers arrived and established a new dynasty, cults and Statehood.

There is nothing in traditional Edo custom called Olokun. This was Yoruba cult, so was Ifa and Obatala, which the migrant rulers established and which you practice till today.

1st comment i respect here, reason being that i noticed that if i hear benin people speaking and listen very attentive, it sounds a lot like Yoruba

Yoruba did to Edo what Fulani did to Hausa, except our language persisted as the court vernacular until very recently....in fact right around the Independence of Nigeria...whereas Fulani adopted the language of the conquered.

Separate Bini from Edo sharp sharp! Edo is not Yoruba but Bini is part and parcel Yoruba and nothing you can do to erase it.

OPCNAIRALAND:
The full title of Benin King is Omo n'Oba n'Edo.

Translation : The begotten of the Oba that ruled Edo.

Which Oba ruled Edo beside Oranmiyan? The begotten of Oranmiyan was Eweka, who was the first to hold the title Omo n'Oba.

OPCNAIRALAND:


It is indisputable that Oba is a titular position and belongs to Yoruba culture, not Benin.

So why is King of Benin a titular Omo n'Oba (the descendant of Oba), can the Benin palace give us clarity on this?

chowlade:

Ipod youth on rampage why r u so pained ?
D binis should go nd join ur zooafrans though lol Yorubas dont care.

JIGHU:
ONLY EREDIUWA BEARS THAT TITLE..........HOW DID YOU ARRIVE AT THIS THAT ALL FORMER OBAS OF BENIN BEARS OMO N'OBA?LOL

Kirigidi:
If u study history very well, u wil notice dat bfor d comin of d British, Yoruba kings were not knwn by d title "Oba". Rather, they were bearin various titles such as Alaafin, Ooni, Alake, Deji, Ewi, Olu, Baale, etc. Only d Benin monarchs were knwn to hav bin consistent wit d use of d title "Oba" frm d start as documentd by early Portuguese Explorers who visitd d empire in d 15th century AD! D title "OBA" is derived frm d Edoid word "OGBA" which translates to mean, "THE STRONG", "THE POWERFUL", "THE MIGHTY" or "THE GREAT"! D use of d Oba title by Yoruba kings was a later adaptation copied frm d Binis owing to d fame nd prestige of d Benin Monarchy. Nd also, don't forget dat d Binis conquerd nd ruled large parts of Yorubaland!

Ahmed3rdjuly:
Everyone believes in his oral traditions.
but when 2 oral traditions conflicts then you have to rely on science to identify which is which.
In this ever conflicting history of Yorubas and the Binis i believe asking scientific questions would give clues to the answers of which Empire existed before the other.
1) If both the Ife and Binis had clay n bronze artifacts, which artifacts predates the other?
2) Which of the 2 languages is more sophisticated? example English is less sophisticated than German became it is an offshoot of German. that makes the Britons and offspring of the barbarian Germans/Saxons
3) Existence of Human/animal fossils. which of these places has earlier human fossils/remains
4) Evidences from other neighboring civilizations.
5) Structural evidences,are there existing ancient structures like walls, graves, pyramids, pits, building foundations etc.

Until the Binis and the Yorubas are able to use science to solve these argument we should all remain in peace and embrace each others as humans

thawgy:
. Don't confuse things, the Oba in yorubaland I not a title and it means Lord, Domino,Ruler e.t.c and the titles were the Alaake of Egbaland, Alaafin of Oyo, Olubadan, Ooni of IFE which were the lords of the lands mentioned in their titles.. evidently, Yorubas then refer to the bearer of these titles as their Obas evident in the salutaions Kabiyesi o, oba wa, Oba nki e.. so do not misconstrue the use of these words as proof that Yorubas never had Obas till the edo influence came in

elyna:
you're cursed, your level of fo.olishness is a disgrace to yorubaland, learn to get your Facts right and learn to keep away from issues you know nothing about, mocking the past and present great kings of Benin, keep it up lets see where it gets you.

Tunami:
they should go to hell, we don't even need them in yoruba land, even people that are in faraway Cuba, Venezuela, Brasil etc. Are even happy to be called yorubas talkless them. Abegi. Iranu abasha, shiooor.

seunajia:




A ma wa se nkan bayii o

Did you read what that guy wrote? He said the names with Oba prefix only came to existence in Yorubaland in the 50s. Yet he mentioned Obasanjo and Obafemi that were born years and years before.

Learn to read and comprehend, you hear? Now gerout!

ProfShymex:
Looool.

I don't know why folks are arguing over. The Alake asked for it after stirring the hornet's nest and I alluded to it on that thread.

The Ooni has visited other kings and no one talked about hierarchy. And the visit is about Yoruba unity, not for throne superiority contest. I don't why he decided to include Bini and/or start causing troubling by talking about hierarchy, especially for a group with four different kings that never had a kingdom and had to fight so many wars to be independent - till the 19th century. I guess it is cos he can't stand the fact the Ooni visited the Awujale before him. But if he had problem with that, he should spoken to the Ooni privately about it or speak only about the "superiority" of his throne compared to the Ijebu throne which pre-existed it, with a kingdom that was never a vassal to anyone.

Anyway, he is lucky both the Alaafin of Oyo and Awujale didn't take any offence to what he said. You just can't fault the Oba of Benin for reacting the way he did, regardless of what you think about the revisionism. The Alake asked for it.

OPCNAIRALAND:


We should ask them self, since they claim Oba is a recent adaptation by Yoruba to then tell us how we came about the name prefix.

Obafemi
Obayemi
Obadare
Obaseki

sirrinky:


You may not know this,but the binis bear Obahiagbon,
Obasohan,
Obaseki,
Obahon,
Obamwongie
Obasogbe etc.Just like the Yoruba culture adapted the Oba title,its logical they made permutations of it for personal names also. Looking at the span of the bini kingdom all the way from present benin to dahomey its clear really who the title and true royalty belongs to.The Oba stool of Bini kingdom is not some childs play where miscreants and wife beaters go exhibit their skills,its a thorough insult comparing to Bini.The Oba is foremost in Benin and even outside the kingdom he still is king. Love live the king.

OPCNAIRALAND:


We should ask them self, since they claim Oba is a recent adaptation by Yoruba to then tell us how we came about the name prefix.

Obafemi
Obayemi
Obadare
Obaseki

tayooluwole:



Fine, Olusegun Obasanjo was born in the 50's. His name olusegun was given to him as his name while Obasanjo was his father's name or possibly his surname and thereby, olusegun make it his surname as well... Now trace his father and grandfather,s existence to days back in history and tell me the resulted date...

nisai:
Exactly.Some obas need serious lesson.See what arrogance had caused him now.

livinbygrace:
Oranmiyan took up his abode in the palace built for him at Usama by the elders (now a coronation shrine). Soon after his arrival he married a beautiful lady, Erinmwinde, daughter of Osa-nego, was the ninth Enogie (Duke) of Ego, by whom he had a son. After some years residence here he called a meeting of the people and renounced his office, remarking that the country was a land of vexation, Ile-Ibinu (by which name the country was afterward known) and that only a child born, trained and educated in the arts and mysteries of the land could reign over the people. He caused his son born to him by Erinmwinde to be made King in his place,



Oduduwa"son(Oranmiyan) from Ile fe became king in Bini.

YonkijiSappo:


Stop lying, Benin Empire never reached Dahomey, Only Oyo Empire did.
You copied Oba, then Copied Omo, then copied Olokun, then copied Ogun, then copied Ida and Ada (Decorative machetes and Royal Swords)....... A lot of stuff in your culture was copied from Yorubas.
If you dont know, now you know.

Onijagidijagan:
The word Oba is yoruba word why are these benin people lying this way. ..The first Oba was Oduduwa d last born of Lamurudu frm Ife

Binis are here to steal our culture like d IPODs...Iol

sirrinky:


Mehn did you smoke wet weed What are you even saying? Anyways that's your cup of tea.Won't argue with you.Have a productive day. Ciao

OPCNAIRALAND:


It is indisputable that Oba is a titular position and belongs to Yoruba culture, not Benin.

So why is King of Benin a titular Omo n'Oba (the descendant of Oba), can the Benin palace give us clarity on this?

ProfShymex:
Always leave Binis out of it.

But fvk it - this is my ranking.

1). Alaafin of Oyo and Ooni of Ife (joint first and I only put Ife up there cos it's the spiritual home of the Yorubas but Ijebus were the ones who defended Ife all through the Yoruba wars to avoided subjugation with thousands of Ijebu warriors).

2). Awujale of Ijebu.

3). Alaketu of Ketu.

4). Owo kingdom.

Ibadan should take the fifth spot despite the fact that it never had a proper king and it's conglomerate of all Yorubas. But you can't knock the military might of the Ibadan warriors of yore - they ruled with an iron fist. Then Egbas can take the spot after Ibadan cos they were great in battles. The rest can fight for whatever spots are left.

Real ranking right there based on historical facts.