Olabestonic001:


But if we look it critically, why does Binis speaks Yoruba but Yoruba's cant speak a bit of Benin?
In Yorubaland, Oba means "the One in charge", can someone tell me the meaning in Benin?
Why do Bini borrowed tradition such as worshiping from Yorubaland but Yoruba don't?
Why does Yoruba have a far-spread than Bini?
We should ask sincere and serious questions.
In all reality, the Esogan saying they've nothing to do with Yoruba's and still claiming that the Ooni was a descendant of Bini is very contradictory.
And lets all know that The Ooni is the traditional Head of the Yoruba race worldwide even up to some Brazilian's Yoruba's and why claim seniority if you're truly senior? Ooni should just continue in his process of uniting the Yorubas.

ritababe:


oduduwa

brownlord:


He said what?

Born2Breed:


These are Myths and Folklore's. These was never Sango or whatever.

Btw is it not the same Ooni that goes kneeling before Tinubu and Obasanjo to be nominated and installed as ooni. He should read his history books if his father did not.

brownlord:


Ekaladerhan is the name.

Olabestonic001:


But if we look it critically, why does Binis speaks Yoruba but Yoruba's cant speak a bit of Benin?

In Yorubaland, Oba means "the One in charge", can someone tell me the meaning in Benin?

Why do Bini borrowed tradition such as worshiping from Yorubaland but Yoruba don't?

Why does Yoruba have a far-spread than Bini?
We should ask sincere and serious questions.

ritababe:


exactly, they know how to start war and when the war start they start crying for help.

Born2Breed:

The Ooni of Ife, Adeyeye Ogunwusi, on Tuesday said Benin Kingdom in Edo State remained part of the expansive Yoruba race, a pronouncement that may spark fresh rivalry and altercation between people of the two ancient kingdoms.

The monarch made the comment in reaction to a statement credited to the palace of the Oba of Benin challenging the claim by the Alake of Egbaland, Adedotun Gbadebo, that the Ooni of Ife remained the pre-eminent spiritual leader in Yorubaland and environs.

Oba Ogunwusi, via a statement by his Director of Media and Public Affairs, Moses Olafare, made available to PREMIUM TIMES, said he was not interested in any supremacy battle with anyone but that he would continue to put the records straight and avoid distortion of history from any quarters.

The monarch said going by historical evidence detailing the Oduduwa lineage, Benin Kingdom remained part and parcel of Oduduwa House.

“We in Oduduwa land have always seen and regarded our people in Benin kingdom as part and parcel of Oduduwa House. They are our brothers and sisters, coupled with historical facts to back up this position,” Ooni Ogunwusi said.

“The statement credited to the Alake of Egbaland, did not emanate from us but the reality is that as a highly experienced and well informed monarch, Kabiyesi Alake, who is a bonafide Oodua descendant is entitled to his opinion based on his knowledge and understanding of history,” the Ooni said.

“Let me emphasize for the umpteenth time that Kabiyesi Ooni is less concerned over any supremacy hullabaloo. He is only interest for now in how the sacred throne of Oduduwa can explore measures through which the collective interest and genuine unity among Yoruba and other tribes within the larger House of Oduduwa can be enhanced.

“This informed his resolve to build bridges of harmony among Yourba Obas. I am resolutely committed to how Yoruba ethnic group can restore its glory and pride of position among other ethnic inclinations in Nigeria and don’t want to be dragged into supremacy contest or join issues with anybody.”

The traditional ruler said he recalled that about six years ago, attempt was made by some people to upturn history during the launch of a book titled: I REMAIN SIR, YOUR OBEDIENT SERVANT, which he said stood historical facts on its head.

Oba Ogunwusi stated that If the position espoused by the Oba of Benin Palace in the media “is aimed at distancing our people in Benin from the South West and Yoruba, so be it.”

He however added, “We still identify with them as our kinsmen, regardless of the attempt to change the course of history.”

The Alake had, while hosting the Oba Ogunwusi in his palace on February 7, rated the Ooni as the number one monarch in Yorubaland and other territories considered part of the Oduduwa House.

In his rating, Oba Gbadebo said Oba Ogunwusi was number one of the five principal Obas in Yorubaland, followed by the Alaafin of Oyo, then by the Oba of Benin (in third position), the Alake of Egbaland (fourth) and the Awujale of Ijebuland (fifth).

But in a swift reaction on Tuesday, the Esogban of Benin and Odionwere of the Kingdom, David Edebiri, rejected the ranking, saying the Ooni of Ife was a son of the Oba of Benin and that the Oba of Benin stool has no relationship with the Yoruba race.

The Esogban said, “We wanted to discard this report as something that was not necessary at all. We do not see how the Alake of Egbaland suddenly woke up to think that the Oba of Benin is also a Yoruba Oba.

“There is no basis for such classification; Oba of Benin has nothing to do with the Yoruba Obas. It is simply unnecessary, unless they simply want to stir up an unnecessary controversy.

“We are not in Yorubaland. To be frank, it is because many of them are not willing to come up with the truth, the word Oba is alien to Yoruba monarchy; it is not part of their title from time immemorial.

“For instance, the one they call the Oba of Lagos, these are recent adaptations. In the 50s, there was no Oba of Lagos, what we had was the Eleko of Eko. That is the title of the King there. In Ibadan, you have the Olu Ibadan. You come to Abeokuta, you have the Alake of Egba land. You come to Oyo, you have the Alaafin of Oyo. In Ilesha, you have the Owa-Obokun of IIesha. So no Yoruba monarch had as part of his titles the word Oba except the Oba of Benin.

“That word Oba is indigenous to Benin. It is only in recent times you find everybody bearing Oba. When the Western Regional conference of traditional rulers took place in Benin City in 1942, go and check the attendance, there was no other monarch in the whole of the Western Region then that bore the title of Oba, except the Oba of Benin.

“So it is an unnecessary excursion, an unnecessary attempt to turn history upside down by the Alake by classifying the Oba of Benin as third in the hierarchy of kings.

“Our own traditional history says that the Ooni of Ife was a Benin Prince who wandered from here to Ife, settled there and became the ruler there. That is the position, if they don’t know, they should send people here; we will teach them.

“We will show them landmarks. So this is unnecessary misrepresentation of history. Maybe the Alake wanted to mention a different place and not Benin.

“The monarchical rulership in this part of the world started from Benin during the era of the Ogisos. It was the son of the last Ogiso, Owodo, that wandered from here to Ife and he became a ruler there, carrying everything about the Benin monarchical system to that place. There is no basis for such classification.

“The Ooni of Ife, by historical facts, is a son of the Oba of Benin, so they are not in the same class. The Oba of Benin is the only one that answers Oba, the rest don’t. But today, we hear Oba here and there, they are all recent adaptations. I am saying categorically that the word Oba is indigenous to Benin and not to Yoruba nation.”




http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/198255-benin-kingdom-edo-yoruba-territory-ooni-ife-adeyeye-ogunwusi.html

johnydon22:
This is getting interesting educating and entertaining

But i have seen more than 6 version of this controversial historical saga... well people from OYO should come tell us their own account.

lets see if it supports either the Yoruba version or the bini version

AreaFada2:


My brother, you wonder how impeccably educated people like Yoruba simply discard science and logic to cling to mythical stuff like someone turning into a river. Very amusing I tell ya.

thawgy:
Sango's wife was Oya not Oba, but the term Oba is a yoru word in from what I know not a bini word

ritababe:


so who is oduduwa?

folks4luv:
interesting. but if it is tru that d first ooni of Ife came from Benin to est Ife, how come Benin people are worshiping sango, Ogun, obatala n some other Yoruba gods even till today? or they want to claim the history of dose gods are theirs too?

pulsa:

we Yoruba's are suyalysing the Nupes and not the other way around, we were the ones that won the civil war for this country with our superior military tactics the only ones to have ever put the Fulani invaders in their place.

pulsa:

I said he was more interested in overseeing the affairs of the civilized Oyo empire than the Benin empire.

brownlord:

Who said that?

ritababe:


is better for him to remain in his palace and protect the culture of bini people than to go outside and be ranting nonsense just like Oni of Ife.

Jesusloveyou:
a simple question to settle dis rift,- before dividing d country into region then state, who was d head of d empire, - benin kingdom(empire) and yoruba kingdom or empire, we are only aware of benin kingdom,nothing like yoruba kingdom, benin kingdom extende from ondo to onitsha, and is because of sharing into region and state that reduce d benin empire, in Ooni of ife view- because benin were group into western region that makes he think benin is under yoruba empire, for ur information we only had benin kingdom which extend to lagos and cotonou even togo, d president of togo bears bini name

erusen:
,the ooni is trying to claim say Benin is part of Yoruba hierarchy, I have a fair knowledge about the heritage and history of my people, but I think is the Oba of Benin(he is presently not with us,he has gone to the great land of his ancestors) office's that will have to come out and have a final say in this issue,but I do know that eko is a bini language,and that before the 50's there was nothing like oba of Lagos it was called elekko of Lagos,around 1898 or so it was the Europeans that came to the rescue of Yoruba labd being invaded by Oba of Benin,Benin had a much larger empire that was submissive to Oba of Benin until it broke of to many other tribes in the south south today,so this ooni must be looking for a hell lot of trouble with his mouth,we binis are famous for having a short temper oh,even the majority of Bini consider the yorubas here in Edo state as dirty people, I hope I didn't offend any body oh.

daspeaker:
I think it really did not add up for Benin to be claiming they gave birth to ooni.the population of Benin is like 10% of Yorubas. and from onset the name Oba has always been used. it's just that they use more of the AKAs e.g the alake of Egba land. All i know is the oba of benin is also very powerful and highly respected as other yoruba Kings.

erusen:
,the ooni is trying to claim say Benin is part of Yoruba hierarchy, I have a fair knowledge about the heritage and history of my people, but I think is the Oba of Benin(he is presently not with us,he has gone to the great land of his ancestors) office's that will have to come out and have a final say in this issue,but I do know that eko is a bini language,and that before the 50's there was nothing like oba of Lagos it was called elekko of Lagos,around 1898 or so it was the Europeans that came to the rescue of Yoruba labd being invaded by Oba of Benin,Benin had a much larger empire that was submissive to Oba of Benin until it broke of to many other tribes in the south south today,so this ooni must be looking for a hell lot of trouble with his mouth,we binis are famous for having a short temper oh,even the majority of[b] Bini consider the yorubas here in Edo state as dirty people[/b], I hope I didn't offend any body oh.

MrPresident1:


'Yoruba' as a word is the problem, Ooni has said now used 'Oduduwa', now the whole controversy will be laid to rest finally when the Oba, or the Iyase, or the Esogban come out to say they are not part of the House of Oduduwa.

We are waiting for the response from the palace of the Oba of Benin.

pulsa:

he did by not going along with them and rather sending his son to them.

Christane:
I even thought dz young ooni wat enlighten enough nw z here talkn abt wat e dnt knw ...d ancient benin kingdom z d most legendary and respected monarhical empire world wide ..even d queen of england no reach oba of benin ..nt to talk of ordinary Ooni making false accusation dat edo state z forge from yoruba land thru oduduwa ...edo have their own language lyk bini,esan,estako,auchi etc etc ...i knw sum yoruba reside in benin bt i dnt knw hw dy get their ...bt d oba of benin as z own class nd cant b match by any king in d world nt to talk of a yoruba king ...

saintfizzo:
. Bro the pronunciation is different,Oba (sango's wife) is pronounced with the intonation signs "re" "do", while oba (king) is pronounced with signs "re" "re"....