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Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo Is Yoruba Territory — Ooni Of Ife, Adeyeye Ogunwusi by macof(m): 8:50pm On Feb 12, 2016 |
martineinstein: I'm a true yoruba man so I believe my civilization's folklores....whether I take it seriously is another thing. I certainly not let it clash with my knowledge of Yoruba history. ....u have the skill of comprehension u would have known dat |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo Is Yoruba Territory — Ooni Of Ife, Adeyeye Ogunwusi by macof(m): 8:55pm On Feb 12, 2016 |
gentleheart1: Why not address my statement of Ogiamien selling his right to rule to the Oba of Benin (a yoruba son) whether u like it or not All Obas at Benin are yoruba property....we gave them to ur people and they succeeded u wiping ur sorry assess to submission and servitude |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo Is Yoruba Territory — Ooni Of Ife, Adeyeye Ogunwusi by gentleheart1(f): 9:01pm On Feb 12, 2016 |
macof: Liar what evidence do you have that Ogiamen was a Yoruba man, did you carry out a DNA test on him or are you just been stupid? You need to answer my.question and you must enough of all the trash you have been writing, this is no longer about your Oduduwa you Yorubas claimed fell from the sky. 1 Like |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo Is Yoruba Territory — Ooni Of Ife, Adeyeye Ogunwusi by teehay45(m): 9:04pm On Feb 12, 2016 |
going by the debate so far I think the following is clear 1 .there was nothing like Benin kingdom before oranmiyan went there to rule what the benin's had was igodomigodo 2. the title been held by the king or ruler of the benin's was ogiso or ogie b4 d coming of oranmiyan the grandson of oduduwa who his son Eweka was d first Oba of Benin abolishing the ogiso dynasty 3. another index in this debate is population and the popularity of the yoruba language over the benin's...is it possible for a population of less than 1 million to be dominant over a tribe of more than 15 million people when there is no major war or genocide 4. deities like the Olokun, Sango are more peculiar to the yoruba genealogy which is even confirmed by the western culture. how can the benin's lay claim to this 5. the word 'Oba' which the benin's lay claim to have been used by the earliest pple in Yoruba land even b4 the birth of Benin kingdom. one of the earliest Ooni of Ife was Obalufon, Obatala another popular orisha also comes to mind |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo Is Yoruba Territory — Ooni Of Ife, Adeyeye Ogunwusi by martineinstein(m): 9:34pm On Feb 12, 2016 |
macof:yeah.. It's good to know that u are proud of ur heritage.... But stop trying to force your history on other tribes and stop claiming other tribes. The itsekiris are Yorubas( in Edo clothings), not because they live with yorubas or reside within their locality,but they speak a modified Yoruba( EDOlised Yoruba) and bear "semi Yoruba " names.... How do u relate edos with Yorubas, when both cultures are totally different |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo Is Yoruba Territory — Ooni Of Ife, Adeyeye Ogunwusi by gentleheart1(f): 9:50pm On Feb 12, 2016 |
OYO EMPIRE...A YORUBA KINGDOM CREATED ON PAGES OF YORUBA HISTORIANS TEXTBOOKS AMIDST, GLARING CONTRADICTIONS AND PALPABLE FALSEHOOD: (1). Their story of kingship began with an Edo prince called Izoduwa as recorded by unimpeachable historical records and corroborated by Benin recorded History. (2). Ayayi Crowder,a recaptured Yoruba Slave who later became a bishop said, little were know about yoruba existence, clearly meaning they were not originally part of the Nigeria of today and neither were they settlers within its geographical boundaries but were in small settlements close to Dahomey. Most Yorubas today are either Muslims or Christians and those with African traditions copied or got them from Benin civilization. It doubtful if they are not immigrants from dahomy mixed with Benins or other fulani-hausa from Niger . Bishop Samuel Adjayi Crowther (c. 1809 – 31 December 1891) Was the first African Anglican bishop in Nigeria. Born in Osogun (in today's Iseyin Local Government, Oyo State, Nigeria). His grandson was Herbert Macaulay (3). Yoruba have dublicity of kingships with the process highly polarized than being traditional.A system they tried to copy from Benin but have not been able to get right like the Benin Kingdom. Edo Obaship is one of the most revered institutions in the world because of the way it has sustained its awesome prestige with strict and meticulous attention to ancient traditions of valour, discipline and integrity. Edo chieftaincy titles cannot be bought or conferred on non-indigenes or frivolously. Every Edo chief performs a peculiarly sacred duty and responsibility to the people of Edo. It does not make sense, therefore, to think that a people who would not and have never conferred their chieftaincy titles on non-indigenes, would voluntarily invite, accept, or surrender to non-indigenes as their kings. Note that due to celestial and customary taboos,the Edo monarch cannot eat out and cannot be diverted from full time palace duties to hustle things that have no beneficial value to his domain. (4). Most traditional religions being practiced by the Yorubas today are of Benin Origins.Olokun, Ogun, Iha oguega(ifa), oronmila, Esago(shango), Ayelala etc.Benin traditions,mystic and spirituality are stillfully documented and yorubanized by Yorubas in positions of affluence. Edo people today are predominantly Christians with some denying their traditional religious origins. But,it has not been possible to exterminate our traditional practice because it is embedded firmly in our ways of life. Although the Great Edo (Benin) Kingdom was not major participant in the trans-Atlantic slave trade, because the Obas (Kings) believed that their subjects were too valuable to sell away, and their noblemen had need of war captives on their own farms, the influence of Edo religion and medicine have still been substantial on the people of the Americas. According to Mason (1996), it has been widely accepted that Olokun (god of the sea) worship originated with the Edos and spread to the Yoruba (p.2). In fact, the most prominent part of Edo cultural traditions that has made its mark in the New World is Olokun worship. Olokun (god of the Waters, known as Osiris in Egypt) worship originated from Urhonigbe and then became prominent at Ughoton,around the Ethiope (Olokun) River. The priesthood and rituals were firmly established at the time. Some of the possible points of contact happened early. During the Ogiso Period, trade with the Yoruba and Igbos was quite extensive. Olokun worship may have spread to those areas through traders. Prior to the Oba Period,Ekaladerhan Izoduwa was initiated into Olokun as a chief Priest while he stayed at Ughoton, before his moving westward with his followers to establish Ilefe (Ero,1999,p.108-109). Once he arrived, Ekaladerhan Izoduwa brought Edo traditions to those areas and was a King of his new community called Ilefe, which could be what yoruba call IFE. . From Ekaladerhan Izoduwa’s loins, the Yoruba dynasties may have began. However, it is certain that Olokun is an Edo divinity whose worship spread to the outlying Yoruba areas. During the trans- Atlantic slave trade, slave raids were launched upon Yoruba and Ibo territories. Europeans were able to obtain some of the greatest amounts of West Africans from both Yoruba and Ibo land (Crosby,1992, p.136). In the 18th century in Iboland at Isseke, slave raiders took a famous Edo subject named Olaudah Equiano, who later wrote about the encounter. Olaudah traveled to the New World and then to England, learned to read and write English, and shared his religious and cultural experiences. Many Edo traditions were directly and indirectly incorporated into the New World through its far reaching colonies. The Edo Kingdom extended from the boundary with Oyo in the north (Otun) to the Atlantic in the south, beyond Asaba to River Niger, and up to Eko (Lagos) in the west. Both Edo religion and medicine have already been taken to those domains, following traditional practices originating in Edo land. (5). Benin ruled over what today known as Yorubaland, IFE, EKITI, LAGOS, OGUN, OWO, ONDO ETC (6). Benin through Oba Orhogbuan founded lagos and ruled Lagos through royal viceroys whose descendants are today the traditional rulers of Lagos.The rights of who owns Lagos is not disputable.Lagos was a Benin town with a Benin Duke who paid tribute to the Oba of Benin indeed his chiefs were the descendants of noble Benin families. The Benin empire ran Lagos for over 400 years before the colonial powers took over. Though there were some migrant yorubas from togo during british presence in lagos, but they formed not the rulers of the town but the subjects of the Oba just like we find in the United Kingdom today where people are subjects of the queen of England and not citizens. We will explain citizenship rights to you later in another treatise. (7). Benin first to meet Europeans ( . "Oba" is a word adopted from Benin and not Yoruba as many made us to believe. There is no king of Yoruba's people. and if there is, what was his title?;how many Yoruba prominent traditional leaders/rulers carried the title Oba? since when?.if Yoruba calls their king Oba,it doesn't mean we derived our king's name (N'Oba) from them. Everyone has a name for king in the their native language/tongue. The Oba of Lagos is Eleko of Eko not Oba, the British change it to Oba. the Origin of word "oba" is Benin (9). They never conquered any territory but rather struggle with their neighbours before and after the first encounter with Europeans slave hunters. (10). "Edo" have no linguistic relationship with Yoruba. Words like Eko,Idu Ganran,Yaba,Oshodi,Osa,Eti-Osa,idu-magbo,Idu- mota have no Yoruba origin but Edo's. (11). Note history is subject to scientific diagnosis and many historic writtings in the past about Benin-yoruba have been proved by archaeologies and scientist as erroneous and false. (12). Many Yoruba being those in the forefront of Nigeria history writers wrote history textbooks used in Nigeria institutions and thus had the benefit of making their yoruba look like leading culture with the richest history for nigerians. (13). Yorubas exploiting their privilege of imbibing the whiteman's education first have been peddling falsehood in Nigeria,British and other western universities misleading Africans with grammar and academic titles. They confuse other external scholars about the true realities of African history, implanting those false history into African -America books without the knowledge of the Edo King. (14). Yorubas engaged the highest in slave raiding in their togo-oyo region which stretched to lagos during slave trade. see http://ihuanedo.ning.com/ …/to…/ yoruba-enslavement-of-african (15) Yoruba never colonized Benin but Benin colonized many Yoruba settlements. (16) Yoruba is not in anyway related to Igbo ancestral history (17) Yoruba was not in anyway related to itsekiri history. There could be later migrants during the European exploration and commerce but not related to the itsekiri ancestral lineage. Never mind all the title of "Olu" in the region,it is a title contrived to replace the original which is "Ode" of Itsekiris. (18) Bishop Ajayi crowder and Obafemi Awolowo made Yoruba known today as an ethnic group in Nigeria (19) How can an Empire be inside an Empire? Many so called yoruba territories of today never existed in the past but were invented and stillfully documented into dubious historical records. (20) Most of their books and publications are mere opinions of the writers concocted inside their rooms without scientific researches or facts-finding visits to Ancient Benin for archaeological veracity. Covered up with self hate, jealousy and envy of the Great Benin, bias and leftish in many of their so called Nigerian history,they tried to re-invent a history that diminishes our political greatness. (22) Many Yorubas in Lagos today came as migrant workers for British companies and their construction projects.That is why you have a lot of their photographs with whites. Britain also used them as colonial officers. (23) Before Britain or before the punitive expedition of 1897, Yorubas have no mega state to be found as the recognized major ethnic group in lagos were Edos. (24) Where is Yoruba ancient flag or before 1897? ( Quote) ( Report ) (Like ) (Share ) Re: 50 Reasons Why Yoruba Never Had An Empire But Civilized By Benin by thekingisback : 10:30pm On Feb 09 (25) Their loyalty to slave masters, British merchant gave them the huge presence in lagos, Americas and England (26) The word Yoruba has it's roots in Yoruba.The fulani used to call the Oyo people Yoruba.There was no really united Yoruba nation till awolowo came with a cooked up Oduduwa myth with the intention of uniting them under them with advent of Egbe omo Oduduwa clearly for political mileage.The ones that came to the Americas were identified as lucumi which is corrupted from olukumi. (27) The Ooni of Ife,the Alake of Abeokuta ( Egba), the Olubadan of Ibadan,the Oba of Oshogbo, the Deji of Akure,the Oba of Lagos,the Ugbo of Ugboland,the Owu of Owo etc have no historical records that they were ever ruled by an empire with such name. Rather,the Oba of Lagos,the Deji of Akure and all the traditional rulers in present day ondo and Ekiti states have indubitable records that they were once part of the old Benin empire. (28) The capital of the fathom Oyo empire is alleged to be Oyo-Ile. This is a community that is not as big as Uromi township. It is smaller than many headquarters of south western city states currently existing. It is not as big as Eyaen in Benin city. How come the capital of such great empire ( sic!) is so small and a far cry from any that is known in history? The false historians failed woefully to cover this jigsaw puzzle. (29) The Kingdom of Nupe was an acephalous community but in the 17th century,it sacked Oyo . Evicted it from Borgu and made it to relocate its capital to OYO Igoho, another hamlet community that can never qualify as capital of a dukedom let alone an empire. Now, most of the communities of Nupe were tribute payers to the Benin empire and never Benin conquerors. (30) It is on incontrovertible record that,the colonialist never met an empire called Oyo when they came to Nigeria but they did meet the Benin Empire in all her glory having Suzerainty over many Yoruba speaking city states like Lagos,Akure,Ado,Idoani,Ondo,Igbokoda,Owo,Ifon,Ekiti, etc. infact, it is the admission of the fact by many of these coastal states that their overlord is the Oba of Benin that led to the European interest to visit the Oba and settle supremacy once and for all. Oba Ovoramwen Nogbaisi was the one they eventually clashed with. Recall that as early as the 14th century, the Oba of Benin has had positive and co-equals interactions with the Portuguese Empire. (31) Look closely at the map in pix one hereto. That is the colonial Map of Benin. It is less than half of what it was before the whiteman came. Still at that, it shows the whole of the current Midwest,nearly the whole western states including the whole Lagos, some eastern states and north central communities as part of the empire of Benin they met. Now, tell me, where is the geo-political delineation of the mythical oyo empire created by Ola Biola,Olatun Bonsun et al? (32) How come Oyo-Ile the capital of the contrived OYO is today not the most important city in Yorubaland as Benin city is in Edo. Many old cities that survive still remain the seats of governments. Sokoto,Benin city etc. but the alleged Capital of old oyo hardly ranks as a local government headquarters. This is not consistent with the Yoruba nature which accords much respect to traditional authority and culture. The explanation is simple. There never was such an empire with such a small community as capital city. The proud Yoruba man can never accept such scandal. The capital of their city states like Ibadan,Abeokuta etc is enough to take care of their territorial pride,not the scandalous hamlet of OYO- Ile. (33) Do you know that there is hardly a Yoruba community except the much mentioned Oyo-Ile,that has no exclusive language of its own that is not Yoruba. These various Yoruba languages are mutually unintelligible to each other. The current general Yoruba evolved from markets that was then mainly that of slave trading. (34) Now, unlike the Benins and most indigenous Nigerian kingdoms,the Yorubas have the most exported slaves in diaspora. They are very many in the Caribbeans and in Brazil. Do you know why? This is because,it is easy to sell people who are not from the same stork with you.except for criminals,Benin and other kingdoms do not sell their citizens. This again clearly show that a monolithic oyo empire was a lie. The Yorubas had warring and hostile city states and were never united under one pre-colonial power. Chief Awolowo was once rejected by them at the polls as Ijebu( fake) Yoruba. Ironically, it was the same man that came out with the concept and in fact united them as one common political people. That is why they worship him second only to Oduduwa. (35) Do you know that even their historians admitted the truth in their text books that Oramiyan after leaving Benin founded OYO empire. It is very obvious that Benin is older by far than the fathom Oyo Empire. What is however curious is that, if Ajaka,Shango,Ogun all later children of Oramiyan were deified to be worshipped by the Yorubas, how come Oramiyan's eldest son ( Eweka) who established the most powerful dynasty on earth was not included in their list of deities. This further lend weight to the argument that the history of the Yoruba empire was all about tribal glorification. Anyway, Oduduwa their alleged founder was actually Prince Izoduwa ( Ekhalederan) the only son of the last Ogiso of the first Benin dynasty-Owodo who was banished so that his father could have other children. This is a story for another day. (36) It still beat me why other Africa historical states only have Benin on their record not OYO empire. Dahomey the alleged neighbour of old OYO recognized Benin as not only its cradle but its main powerful neighbour. Find this extract from Wikipedia interesting.. (37) According to the Wikipedia article on the People’s Republic of Benin, the new name was chosen to reflect the Benin Empire “that had once flourished in neighboring Nigeria.” Most sources, however, maintain that the new name referenced not the Empire but the Bight of Benin, the adjacent stretch of the Atlantic Ocean. The country’s new leaders rejected the name “Dahomey” because they considered it too ethnically exclusive, since the old kingdom of that name had been closely identified with the Fon people of the coastal zone. The new name, based on physical geography, seemed less divisive—even though the term “Benin” ultimate derives from the former Benin Kingdom of the Edo people in what is now Nigeria. The capital of that state, Ubinu, gave rise to the term “Benin City,” which was generalized to cover the entire kingdom, and was subsequently applied to the adjacent sea. We have never doubted our relationship with the Yorubas. Everything natural points to the fact that they are our cousin. What We however disapprove is their attempt to use their privileged premier schooling by the whiteman to re-write history by distorting the true one and concocting a fake one that undermines the superiority of the old Benin empire over their city states. (38) Here is a beautiful example of Rigobert Bonne's 1770 decorative map of West Africa. Covers from the Gold Coast (modern day Ghana), south around the Bight of Benin to Gabon, Congo and Angola. Includes the modern day countries of Ghana, Togo, Benin, Nigeria, Cameroon, Equatorial Guinea, Gabon, Congo and Angola. As with most maps of Africa, this map shows excellent detail along the coast and only speculation in the interior. Give evidence of significant Belgian mapping activities throughout the Congo. Names numerous African Kingdoms including Anzico, Mujaco, Bembe, Lubolo, Pemba, Dembi, Calbongo, Bake-Bake, Benin and others. Attempts to map the Niger River as to flows into the Desert de Seth or Saghara, but most of this cartography is speculative at best. Drawn by R. Bonne in 1770 for issue as plate no. B 30 in Jean Lattre's 1776 issue of the Atlas Moderne ." here there was no mention of any empire or people called yoruba or oyo empire Source: http://commons.wikimedia.org/ …/ File:1770_Bonne_Map_of_West_… 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo Is Yoruba Territory — Ooni Of Ife, Adeyeye Ogunwusi by oyalunasamuel(m): 10:35pm On Feb 12, 2016 |
gentleheart1: Thank you so much... |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo Is Yoruba Territory — Ooni Of Ife, Adeyeye Ogunwusi by mrDennis(m): 6:52am On Feb 13, 2016 |
macof: Bro I don't know which one was bigger but I know which one had more rep and that was the Benin kingdom . Also Benin doesn't do fairytale or myths of people turning into rivers or thunder coming out of warriors mouths ... Also oyo tried to conquer Benin empire but failed woefully and had to relinquish sovereignty of what is believe is part of ondo today so as to appease the binis . Also the Benin empire came into existence long before the oyo empire and stayed influential long after the demise of the oyo empire , infact oyo begged Benin to intervene when illorin seceeded and fulanis started attacking oyo via ilorin. But Benin declined to help. Also present day Benin republic (then called dahomey). Was ruled at different periods by oyo empire and Benin empire YET they chose to be renamed as Benin rep... Why do u think? Also incase you don't know Lagos island and smaller isolated islands were under the protection of Benin empire in return for payment of taxes , the word "EKO". Is a Benin word which we used to describe the territory. But as for which one is BIGGER in landmass ... Omo bros me no know 3 Likes |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo Is Yoruba Territory — Ooni Of Ife, Adeyeye Ogunwusi by Nobody: 7:16am On Feb 13, 2016 |
gentleheart1:are u a bini guy?can u speak it or write it? |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo Is Yoruba Territory — Ooni Of Ife, Adeyeye Ogunwusi by tonychristopher: 7:43am On Feb 13, 2016 |
gentleheart1: Igbo are their nemesis They get fidgeted He called u igbo I am laughing |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo Is Yoruba Territory — Ooni Of Ife, Adeyeye Ogunwusi by gentleheart1(f): 7:57am On Feb 13, 2016 |
Drchristian: I am not a guy I am a lady, I am from Edo State. My both parents are descendants of both bini and Isan royal families. |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo Is Yoruba Territory — Ooni Of Ife, Adeyeye Ogunwusi by gentleheart1(f): 7:59am On Feb 13, 2016 |
tonychristopher: Hello Tonyechristoper, I had to create this new moniker because the mods are always blocking the other one. The mods has corrupted my mind. |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo Is Yoruba Territory — Ooni Of Ife, Adeyeye Ogunwusi by tonychristopher: 8:12am On Feb 13, 2016 |
gentleheart1: Why should you allow mod to corrupt your mind ....pls don't allow that . ALWAYS STAY ON THE SIDE OF TRUTH |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo Is Yoruba Territory — Ooni Of Ife, Adeyeye Ogunwusi by gentleheart1(f): 8:35am On Feb 13, 2016 |
diadem10: Jeez you are the biggest fool on nairaland,in your myopic dead brain the whole Lagos wasn't named Eko but officially and till date Lagos is called Eko. Lol some people have dead brains, Lagos is known as Eko all over the world. |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo Is Yoruba Territory — Ooni Of Ife, Adeyeye Ogunwusi by gentleheart1(f): 8:52am On Feb 13, 2016 |
(39) All European explorers arriving West Africa Maps
have no record of Yoruba as a people or Empire but
have that of Benin (40) Real Yorubas are from dahomey while others from the north, never was an Empire of that name in any time of West Africa history. (41) Language is a legitimate tool for constructing history and all the names associated with Oduduwa have deeper roots in Edo language than in the Yoruba. The Arabs or the Yoruba, do not have words like ‘Uhe’ (the sacred name for Edo and Ile-Ife, or words ending with ‘duwa,’ ‘noyan’ or ‘miyan,’ which are typical Edo vowels. ‘Uhe’ is perhaps the most powerful and revealing of all the Edo names associated with Ile-Ife because depending on how it is pronounced, it could refer to something sacred or taboo (such as Virgin or Virginity or Vagina), interpreted as innocence, source, birth canal. (42) "Eko" in every Edo dialect means settlement or military camp. And Eko is the indigenous name of Lagos. It was in 1974 that approval was granted Dahomey by Oba Akenzua II to change the name of the country to Republic of Benin. This shows that Benin Empire stretched beyond the entire Yorubaland!. why did Republic of Benin not go to yoruba their closer Neighbours? (43) YORUBA NEVER HAD ANY CIVILIZATION, BUILT ANY MONUMENT OR ANY WORLD SITE THAT TELLS OF AN EMPIRE OR GREAT KINGDOM LIKE BENIN. An Empire is always self evidence (44) Benin and Yoruba people obviously have same roots but in this case as evidenced by true historical records,it is the younger Yoruba settlers that migrated from the far older benin empire. (45) YORUBA WAS NEVER AN ETHNIC RACE!!!!!! PRE- BRITISH HISTORY OF NIGERIA We will leave the Yoruba to defend themselves about questions concerning origins of the name "Yoruba." As far as Usman is concerned, that name was an imperial donation from the North. We are intrigued by Usman’s argument on this score. Note his words. He said " The fact is that, the earliest record we have of the use of the very name "Yoruba" was in the Hausa-Fulani language and it seems to have applied to the people of the Alafinate of Oyo. This came from the writings of the seventeenth century Katsina scholar, Dan Masani (1595-1667), who wrote a book on Muslim scholars of the 'Yarriba.' But it was from a book of the Sarkin Musulmi Bello, written in the early nineteenth century, that the name became more widely used. The Bishop Ajayi Crowther, the Reverend Samuel Johnson, and his brother Obadiah Johnson, among others, came, in the nineteenth century, to widely spread this Hausa name to the people who now bear it, in their writings. Usman’s proof that the name "Yoruba" is an "Hausa name and It is so, the earliest record we have of the use of the very name 'Yoruba' was in the Hausa-Fulani language. (46) ETYMOLOGY OF THE WORD YORUBA (Yoruba) is revealed in the 19th Century.: The word 'Yoruba' was first recorded in reference to the Oyo people only, in a treatise written by the 16th-century Songhai scholar Ahmed Baba. It was popularized by Hausa usage and ethnography written in Arabic and Ajami during the 19th century, in origin referring to the Oyo exclusively. The extension of the term YORUBA to all speakers of dialects related to the language of the Oyo (in modern terminology North-West Yoruba) dates to the second half of the 19th century. It is due to the influence of Samuel Ajayi Crowther, the first Anglican bishop in Nigeria. Crowther was himself a Yoruba and compiled the first Yoruba dictionary as well as introducing a standard for Yoruba orthography.It's like classifying all of Northern Nigeria as Hausa. The presence of yoruba inflence in most places today claimed as yorubaland can be traced back to the propaganda of Ajayi Crowther and most Yoruba historians. (47) Do you believe ODUDUWA is the ancestral father of the Yoruba people? Many Yoruba scholars claim oduduwa fell from the sky to Yoruba land. Where actually did he land? , Any sign ?. Others say he came from the east, ok, did he meet people in the so called Yoruba land? If yes, then how can oduduwa now be their ancestral father? (48) Do Yorubas have any historic monument like the pyramid structures in Old Benin, Great Benin Moat, Zimbabwe and Timbuktu in Mali? Not talking about clay molded or primitive bronze artifacts many claim dating back to 10BC), or the story of slave raiding westward, east ward or northward. I mean physical structures that tell of an ancient civilization?.The two most relevant structures in Oyo-lle, the Alaafin palace and his village market as claimed by Yoruba Historians ? (49) When and where was Yoruba presence first felt in West African history? Why no reflection of Yoruba in many ancient maps of West Africa? (50) Was Yoruba territory in British pre- Nigeria creation-1600-1900, same with, 1914 and again in 1960 to 1967? What expanded it and why? Were there aborigines in those territories say owo, kwara, ondo and Lagos before their presence during the British colonial period? If there were aborigines, then who were they? (51) “Edo are not in Yorubaland. To be frank, it is because many of them are not willing to come up with the truth, the word Oba is alien to Yoruba monarchy; it is not part of their title from time immemorial. “For instance, the one they call the Oba of Lagos, these are recent adaptations. In the 50s, there was no Oba of Lagos, what we had was the Eleko of Eko. That is the title of the King there. In Ibadan, you have the Olu Ibadan. You come to Abeokuta, you have the Alake of Egba land. You come to Oyo, you have the Alaafin of Oyo. In Ilesha, you have the Owa-Obokun of IIesha. So no Yoruba monarch had as part of his titles the word Oba except the Oba of Benin. “That word Oba is indigenous to Benin. It is only in recent times you find everybody bearing Oba. When the Western Regional conference of traditional rulers took place in Benin City in 1942, go and check the attendance, there was no other monarch in the whole of the Western Region then that bore the title of Oba, except the Oba of Benin. “So it is an unnecessary excursion, an unnecessary attempt to turn history upside down by the Alake by classifying the Oba of Benin as third in the hierarchy of kings. “Our own traditional history says that the Ooni of Ife was a Benin Prince who wandered from here to Ife, settled there and became the ruler there. That is the position, if they don’t know, they should send people here; we will teach them. “We will show them landmarks. So this is unnecessary misrepresentation of history. Maybe the Alake wanted to mention a different place and not Benin. “The monarchical rulership in this part of the world started from Benin during the era of the Ogisos. It was the son of the last Ogiso, Owodo, that wandered from here to Ife and he became a ruler there, carrying everything about the Benin monarchical system to that place. There is no basis for such classification. “The Ooni of Ife by historical facts, is a son of the Oba of Benin, so they are not in the same class 1 Like |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo Is Yoruba Territory — Ooni Of Ife, Adeyeye Ogunwusi by diadem10: 9:24am On Feb 13, 2016 |
gentleheart1:See this ibo loser again! Refugees with no ancestral history telling me what I know! I repeat only a little part of Lagos was named Eko until the said part was eventually taken back from the Bini who wouldn't relinquish without a fight though! Unfortunately for them, they were roundly defeated by the Ijebus and Eko island was incorporated back into Lagos! Thus, Eko became the name because it was the aborigines that gave the name in the first place! In those day, there were 2 kings in Lagos namely Eleko of Eko and Oba of Lagos not until both were merged! You ibos are just clowns I swear! |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo Is Yoruba Territory — Ooni Of Ife, Adeyeye Ogunwusi by gentleheart1(f): 9:39am On Feb 13, 2016 |
diadem10: You the looser here, how many times do I have to repeat myself that I am not ibo? Do you have a dumb Brian or you lack sense of reasoning? I won't bother myself answering you again, you wrote that it was the aborigines that named Lagos Eko. I don't need anyone to tell me you are obviously a descendant of the returned slaves in Lagos and I understand your pain, you people are irrelevant in the history of Lagos. A slave will always be a slave. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo Is Yoruba Territory — Ooni Of Ife, Adeyeye Ogunwusi by Malawian(m): 10:53am On Feb 13, 2016 |
macof:bros, please explain this your "Ogiamien" theory, i am just leaning of this. thanks. |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo Is Yoruba Territory — Ooni Of Ife, Adeyeye Ogunwusi by Super1Star: 11:10am On Feb 13, 2016 |
It is very funny that the same people that are claiming they had an empire that had been trading with the Portuguese before Jesus was born could not write a history book before the Yorubas, thereby giving the Yorubas the opportunity to "re-write" history in their "own" favour. What an argument and line of thought!!!! Who should the Yorubas have written the history book in favour? The Bantus or Zulus I guess. Your argument keeps getting irritating and devoid of logic on a progressive scale Based on the relationship between the Benin Empire and the Portuguese, an early Portuguese writer named Joan d Barros gave a vivid description of how Benin takes permission from Ife before the coronation of a new Oba of Benin. |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo Is Yoruba Territory — Ooni Of Ife, Adeyeye Ogunwusi by oyalunasamuel(m): 1:43pm On Feb 13, 2016 |
In JSS1 i was taught the myth about how Oduduwa dropped from the sky to form the yoruba race. I couldn't believe that tale and even as a child i tried to correlate the relationship between the Edo people and the Yoruba people. The fable just did not add up. I have spent a valuable number of my life time in the west in fact i have visited all the entire yoruba states. Trust me you cant compare any of the yoruba monarchs with the Bini Monarch. The Omo N'Oba is so highly exulted that his presence alone will send shivers through your spine. Super1Star: |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo Is Yoruba Territory — Ooni Of Ife, Adeyeye Ogunwusi by Super1Star: 1:54pm On Feb 13, 2016 |
oyalunasamuel: You are a liar, show us the book that told you Oduduwa came them from heaven. Just 1. Obatala and Orunmila? Yes. That is our believe and so be it. If Jesus Enoch and Elijah can ascend, yes our own too can descend from there. Deal with it. Have you been to Ooni's, Alaafin and Awujale's palaces? Go there to see, hear and learn history. |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo Is Yoruba Territory — Ooni Of Ife, Adeyeye Ogunwusi by einsteine(m): 3:07pm On Feb 13, 2016 |
OBAGADAFFI:During the colonial period and at independence, the country was known as Dahomey. On 30 November 1975 it was renamed to Benin,[11] after the body of water on which the country lies—the Bight of Benin—which, in turn, had been named after the Benin Empire Retrieved from www.en.wikipedia.org/benin_republic |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo Is Yoruba Territory — Ooni Of Ife, Adeyeye Ogunwusi by einsteine(m): 3:09pm On Feb 13, 2016 |
macof: You are the deluded one, idiot. I state a fact and your first retort is an expression of your congenital stupidity. |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo Is Yoruba Territory — Ooni Of Ife, Adeyeye Ogunwusi by Nobody: 3:45pm On Feb 13, 2016 |
everyone in Benin City & Edo knows Yoruba are gud in twisting history. a king in Yoruba land from ooni to the least king in Yoruba land are nothing but.mere chiefs . we have one King here the Oba of Great Benin. he his not subject to any authority except God Almighty. A Yoruba king can be kick boot by ordinary governor in his state. Now who is a King between this two? No need for all these worthless squabble by Alafin . Political king no be King. The British will explain better d only Oba & respected Oba in Nigeria remain Oba of Benin #FACT 1 Like |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo Is Yoruba Territory — Ooni Of Ife, Adeyeye Ogunwusi by oyalunasamuel(m): 1:28pm On Feb 14, 2016 |
I find it insulting you calling me a lair... But i will pardon you, it only shows me your level of reasoning. Like i said earlier, I have spent a reasonable part of my life in the west, I did a short time program in Olabisi Onabanjo University, the campus was in Ijebu-Ode, i was very close friend with the Aujale's Grand daughter so i know more about the royalty there. I schooled in Ibadan, so i know a little about the Olu-badan, Next i did my NYSC in Osun State, Osogbo to be precised i would often travel to Ife to see my friend. There's actually no big deal about your monarchies, (maybe a royal staff and an immortal turtle). I like you to come to Benin city maybe for a visit. So you can feel the Enigma of the Benin monarchy. In Edo land the benin Monarch is the most highly esteemed of all monarchies, others are Subjects unlike in the yoruba land where the the ooni claims superiority over the alafin. Go find out, the Olu of warri, itshekiri, obi of agbor, asaba, the calabar monarch all pay tribute to the Omo N'Oba Okun akpolopkolo. Its so sad that your leaders and elders told told you fables in place of your history Super1Star: |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo Is Yoruba Territory — Ooni Of Ife, Adeyeye Ogunwusi by macof(m): 1:58pm On Feb 14, 2016 |
mrDennis: **** what culture doesn't have its folklores? stop saying nonsense. ..folklores make studying the civilization interesting and fun 1. ondo got nothing to do with what you're saying 2. Benin Republic has nothing to do with Bini. ...Bini empire did not extend past the edges of Eastern Yorubaland. Benin republic is named after the coastline used by Bini traders....Like Biafra is named after the coastline used by the ancient Biafra the entire landmass of Bini empire is not up to Oyo state, not to talk of the Entire Oyo empire gentleheart1: **** pls go improve ur skill of comprehension. I said Ogiamien is the true ruler of Benin but the Omo n'oba n'edo (a yoruba descendant) buys the Ogiamien's right to rule...obviously you aren't Bini **** |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo Is Yoruba Territory — Ooni Of Ife, Adeyeye Ogunwusi by macof(m): 2:04pm On Feb 14, 2016 |
mrDennis: You are really dumb. .. what culture doesn't have its folklores? stop saying nonsense. ..folklores make studying the civilization interesting and fun 1. ondo got nothing to do with what you're saying 2. Oyo began its imperial reign 1400 under Alaafin Kori, Bini began its in 1440 under Omo n'oba Ewuare...so please which began first? 3. Benin Republic has nothing to do with Bini. ...Bini empire did not extend past the edges of Eastern Yorubaland ie. Akoko, Ilaje, Itsekiri (if we count this as Yorubaland). Benin republic is named after the coastline used by Bini traders going to Kumasi....Like Biafra is named after the coastline used by the ancient Biafra the entire landmass of Bini empire is not up to Oyo state, not to talk of the Entire Oyo empire gentleheart1: **** pls go improve ur skill of comprehension. I said Ogiamien is the true ruler of Benin but the Omo n'oba n'edo (a yoruba descendant) buys the Ogiamien's right to rule...obviously you aren't Bini **** 1 Like |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo Is Yoruba Territory — Ooni Of Ife, Adeyeye Ogunwusi by mrDennis(m): 2:05pm On Feb 14, 2016 |
macof: The fact that you just said ONDO had nothing to do with. It and also that Benin republic (formerly dahomey). Also was never ruled by Benin kingdom shows you Actually didn't even do basic GST in the university . I can only advise you to Google Benin empire .. .next time. Think , ask Google then reply 1 Like |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo Is Yoruba Territory — Ooni Of Ife, Adeyeye Ogunwusi by Charlesdock(m): 2:07pm On Feb 14, 2016 |
So you na still dey argue. By the great power of the gods I now label this endtime post and all kings involve endtime king except Awujale |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo Is Yoruba Territory — Ooni Of Ife, Adeyeye Ogunwusi by mrDennis(m): 2:59pm On Feb 14, 2016 |
macof: Smiles , after seeing my rebuttal to decided to add number 3. You are empty ... This is a map of Benin empire and oyo empire . *take away dahomey whch oyo didn't rule over for long and compare . Also if that is how Benin rep. Got the new name WHERE does the word Benin come from?. And how did Benin empire get the name since the WHOLE. World was aware of the kingdom . People like you are so proud , u can't even ask GOoGLE. For small issues , If you like add number 4= lmao Done replying EMPTY heads . 1 Like |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo Is Yoruba Territory — Ooni Of Ife, Adeyeye Ogunwusi by shayoademola: 3:09pm On Feb 14, 2016 |
Afternoon everyone. Please can any one help me with akoko edo, igarra names with meaning.. Thanks house |
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