koice:
Favorite shows returning on March:

-The Americans (March 16)
-Bosch (March 11)
-Daredevil (March 18)
-House Of Cards (March 4)
-Bates Motel (March 7)
-Archer (March 31)



-Banshee (April 1)

What a month

Everything is tantalizing

Banshee will be pure madness and i cant wait

kingsilly:



Bates motel,Daredevil ,HOC and the Americans ...My list off yours

Waiting patiently for the return of daredevil...

The thought of seeing that blind lawyer deal with bad guys still refuse to leave me

mkmyers45:


Lannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnna

Whhhhhaaaaaaatttttttttt?

Danger Zone

shut it already... my name is repeatedly being mentioned...

Booyakasha:

shut it already... my name is repeatedly being mentioned...

Can't be helped...

Dark Matter..


Plotholes.. Plotholes.. Plotholes

Rizzoli & Isles.

Rosewood.

Funny how the acronym "Cao" is the mnemonic technique I use in memorization of numbers & complex figures. Ranging from house addresses to almost every single date in that voluminous Government & History textbook I used to carry about sufferably.

Cao
C= Character
A = Action
O= Object

More Quicker that the Method of Loci(Mind palaces) which was used in 'Sherlock.' Confirm its speed from Nelson Dennis or Idris Izabäg.

I was just reading your recent posts on this thread when it hit me. I'd like to see what you look like though.... you should put your photo up once in a while..you are too stingy with your face.

cao:

Actually, it's early 2017. And you've completely missed the point of Amos. He is indeed a brute, your typical grunt, but listen to his conversation with Kenzo, how he pointed out how they're both disposable, how rules have changed & how they need to adapt. His plan B, in case the Martians boarded their ship. How he swiftly dealt with Miller's friend & even nonchalantly informed Miller about it. He understands that certain things need to be done & he accepts his fate that he needs to be the person to do it. And his loyalty to Naomi is legendary, even though she now fears him, since he's so willing to do these things. Even Holden knows, he's quick to take the moral high ground, but he didn't waste time to tell Amos how to deal with Kenzo when they were on the Anubis.

His plan B would have gotten everyone killed. A good plan devoid of violence works better than excessive force any day. Amos is a grade A sociopath that somehow only listens to Naomi. That every unnecessary action has a consequence doesn't seem to bother him, he's guided by a typical shoot-and-ask-questions-later ideology, except in his case, he doesn't even bother to ask questions. It's gotten to a point that Holden threatened to dump his ass on the rock that Anubis was docked if he so much as go off the books.

Miller will get back at him for what he did to Semi, guaranteed. Miller can hold a grudge. Amos wouldn't see him coming.

koice:


His plan B would have gotten everyone killed. A good plan devoid of violence works better than excessive force any day. Amos is a grade A sociopath that somehow only listens to Naomi. That every unnecessary action has a consequence doesn't seem to bother him, he's guided by a typical shoot-and-ask-questions-later ideology, except in his case, he doesn't even bother to ask questions. It's gotten to a point that Holden threatened to dump his ass on the rock that Anubis was docked if he so much as go off the books.

Miller will get back at him for what he did to Semi, guaranteed. Miller can hold a grudge. Amos wouldn't see him coming.

Amos would simply say the same thing he said to Holden, if Miller decides to collect - do what you've gotta do. He'd probably see it coming too. Plan B was the inevitable solution (if Plan A had failed) to the s**tfest they were having, since Amos did not want to spend the rest of his life in jail, waiting for an execution. As he said, with their track record of surviving in Defcon 1 situations - the Martians would shoot first & ask questions never*, since they would be looking for retribution. The same Holden who gave him carte blanche to decimate Kenzo on the same Anubis, if Kenzo did as much as breathe the wrong way. Amos is the guy, who does what needs to be done, because someone has to do it. He will do the things that Holden & co won't. Everybody wants to be on the moral high ground, expecting everything to be black & white. Alas, life is mostly grey. "We're all lost in the churn." and boy oh boy does that grunt know it.

*Or were you not paying attention to how the Martians treated those belters - the uncle that ended up going Kamikaze on them, while leaving his nephew floating in space? The Martians are itching for a fight, itching for a war, so you'd expect those same Martians to be all calm and dandy when they'd discover that the Rocinante was a Martian gunship in disguise. Oh yeah...

cao:

Amos would simply say the same thing he said to Holden, if Miller decides to collect - do what you've gotta do. He'd probably see it coming too. Plan B was the inevitable solution (if Plan A had failed) to the s**tfest they were having, since Amos did not want to spend the rest of his life in jail, waiting for an execution. As he said, with their track record of surviving in Defcon 1 situations - the Martians would shoot first & ask questions never*, since they would be looking for retribution. The same Holden who gave him carte blanche to decimate Kenzo on the same Anubis, if Kenzo did as much as breathe the wrong way. Amos is the guy, who does what needs to be done, because someone has to do it. He will do the things that Holden & co won't. Everybody wants to be on the moral high ground, expecting everything to be black & white. Alas, life is mostly grey. "We're all lost in the churn." and boy oh boy does that grunt know it.

*Or were you not paying attention to how the Martians treated those belters - the uncle that ended up going Kamikaze on them, while leaving his nephew floating in space? The Martians are itching for a fight, itching for a war, so you'd expect those same Martians to be all calm and dandy when they'd discover that the Rocinante was a Martian gunship in disguise. Oh yeah...

You did make some valuable pointers: Amos does understand how things work in the Expanse indeed - he's a survivor basically.

But, like all sociopaths, he cares about only himself alone... and maybe Naomi (debatable, he may turn on her one day), He doesn't give a sh*t about the rest of the crew. For instance,

- When Miller slammed Holden against the wall in Eros, Amos just starred on, unconcerned. When Naomi yelled at him to do something, he didn't bulge, for he was more concerned for the Rocinante than helping a crew member.
- Semi - the same guy that helped them back in Eros - made the grave mistake of thinking that Amos got his back, seeing as they were on the same page, then he got shot in the back.
- He put Alex on a chokehold when they were held prisoners on the Donnager. Reason? Alex was not only exhibiting a completely natural mistrust for Naomi considering the circumstance, but clothed in Mars Navy uniform too. I guess in his warped view, that made Alex a threat that must be eliminated.

Amos is a loose cannon. He views everything in black and white. Even Naomi is afraid of him.

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kingsilly:
that moment Mike goes to prison

Which kind thing be this one?

bykebyke:

Which kind thing be this one?

no vex ooooooooo, you for no open thread.
MY BAD.sorry

Limitless.

koice:


You did make some valuable pointers: Amos does understand how things work in the Expanse indeed - he's a survivor basically.

But, like all sociopaths, he cares about only himself alone... and maybe Naomi (debatable, he may turn on her one day), He doesn't give a sh*t about the rest of the crew. For instance,

- When Miller slammed Holden against the wall in Eros, Amos just starred on, unconcerned. When Naomi yelled at him to do something, he didn't bulge, for he was more concerned for the Rocinante than helping a crew member.
- Semi - the same guy that helped them back in Eros - made the grave mistake of thinking that Amos got his back, seeing as they were on the same page, then he got shot in the back.
- He put Alex on a chokehold when they were held prisoners on the Donnager. Reason? Alex was not only exhibiting a completely natural mistrust for Naomi considering the circumstance, but clothed in Mars Navy uniform too. I guess in his warped view, that made Alex a threat that must be eliminated.

Amos is a loose cannon. He views everything in black and white. Even Naomi is afraid of him.

Let's see, what did Semi do again? He threatened the crew of the Rocinante. The crew agreed to wait for Holden, since his 3 hours weren't up. Semi threatened Naomi at gun point, big mistake. Amos had his crew's back, even if he disagreed, he was outvoted 2 to 1 & one of those 2 was Naomi, who we know he's extremely loyal to. Amos stuck with his usual plan - eliminate the threat through the simplest way possible. Semi was not part of the Rocinante, he didn't go through what they did, but he thought he could get his way.

Remember Holden, did technically get them into this hot mess, when he answered that distress call. As we've seen Amos can be rather intuitive, whose to say, he simply didn't see the point of it. Miller, infact appears to also be a loose cannon, his trigger finger is as itchy as Amos', he has no qualms with killing. Or does he get a pass, because of how obsessed he was with Julie and how he followed the breadcrumbs to find her? Or that he was a cop? Miller also understands how the system works, but his crusade in finding Julie changed his anti-hero dynamic, it turned him to a crusader. You really need to stop seeing this show as black & white.

You really appear to forget the context that they were all in, in the Donnager? The Martians purposely pitted the crew against each other, making Naomi the scapegoat due to her ties to the OPA. You've forgotten at this time we and the crew believed that the Martians were responsible for the Canterbury. We've seen how the Martians handle themselves, keeping their cards to their chest, making preset assumptions, then asking questions to justify said assumptions instead of finding the truth. Then after their interrogation, they see their pilot dressed in Martian uniform & being treated with dignity, almost like a trusted ally...They all mistrusted each other (except Amos & Naomi) & they (except Amos) greatly mistrusted Naomi, Amos had her back.

mkmyers45:


What a month

Everything is tantalizing

Banshee will be pure madness and i cant wait

Ah swear!

- How will Francis fare without Claire?
- Who's the new villain for our favorite blind vigilante?
- In a force where everyone is basically rotten, can a lone wolf survive by choosing to walk the moral high ground?
- What's the next assignment for our favorite KGB spies?

Then April the Ist...

- No-holds-barred nonstop action sequence returns on Cinemax.

cao:


Let's see, what did Semi do again? He threatened the crew of the Rocinante. The crew agreed to wait for Holden, since his 3 hours weren't up. Semi threatened Naomi at gun point, big mistake. Amos had his crew's back, even if he disagreed, he was outvoted 2 to 1 & one of those 2 was Naomi, who we know he's extremely loyal to. Amos stuck with his usual plan - eliminate the threat through the simplest way possible. Semi was not part of the Rocinante, he didn't go through what they did, but he thought he could get his way

You give the man too much credit. Amos doesn't give 2 pence about his crew. You seemed to have forgotten that the first vote was 2 to 1 against Naomi, and he only did a complete about face, because Semi made the mistake of threatening Naomi, period. If it's any other guy that Semi had at gun point, believe me, Amos wouldn't have cared less. That's just who he is. He was ready to leave Holden behind, remember? Semi's mistake was not knowing that Amos is a sociopath.

cao:
Remember Holden, did technically get them into this hot mess, when he answered that distress call. As we've seen Amos can be rather intuitive, whose to say, he simply didn't see the point of it. Miller, infact appears to also be a loose cannon, his trigger finger is as itchy as Amos', he has no qualms with killing. Or does he get a pass, because of how obsessed he was with Julie and how he followed the breadcrumbs to find her? Or that he was a cop? Miller also understands how the system works, but his crusade in finding Julie changed his anti-hero dynamic, it turned him to a crusader. You really need to stop seeing this show as black & white.

Quite unlike Amos, Miller is a belter - born and bred. He's lived the hard life all his life - doesn't know any other way. Amos (an Earther) might claim to know how the system works, but Miller truly know how things work. Yes, he's a loose cannon, but he has to be to survive in his natural habitat, but he had something that separates him from a psycho killer like Amos, he has empathy. And for that alone, he's a better man. And who told you he has no qualms about killing?? He kill those that deserve it, Amos eliminate anyone that doesn't align with his warped agenda, and that of Naomi's. See the difference?

cao:
You really appear to forget the context that they were all in, in the Donnager? The Martians purposely pitted the crew against each other, making Naomi the scapegoat due to her ties to the OPA. You've forgotten at this time we and the crew believed that the Martians were responsible for the Canterbury. We've seen how the Martians handle themselves, keeping their cards to their chest, making preset assumptions, then asking questions to justify said assumptions instead of finding the truth. Then after their interrogation, they see their pilot dressed in Martian uniform & being treated with dignity, almost like a trusted ally...They all mistrusted each other (except Amos & Naomi) & they (except Amos) greatly mistrusted Naomi, Amos had her back.

The Donnager XO was smart and deliberately played them off against each other, but the rest of the crew rolled with it, all except... you know who. All brawn and no brains Amos.

koice:

You give the man too much credit. Amos doesn't give 2 pence about his crew. You seemed to have forgotten that the first vote was 2 to 1 against Naomi, and he only did a complete about face, because Semi made the mistake of threatening Naomi, period. If it's any other guy that Semi had at gun point, believe me, Amos wouldn't have cared less. That's just who he is. He was ready to leave Holden behind, remember? Semi's mistake was not knowing that Amos is a sociopath.

Semi effed himself up, do you know what sealed his fate? When he explicitly told Naomi he wasn't afraid to use his weapon against her to get his way. The tide turned for him there and then. Look at everyone's face. No one needed to tell me what was going to happen there. My exact words: "Bye bye Art." Art is the character the actor plays on Orphan Black.

Quite unlike Amos, Miller is a belter - born and bred. He's lived the hard life all his life - doesn't know any other way. Amos (an Earther) might claim to know how the system works, but Miller truly know how things work. Yes, he's a loose cannon, but he has to be to survive in his natural habitat, but he had something that separates him from a psycho killer like Amos, he has empathy. And for that alone, he's a better man. And who told you he has no qualms about killing?? He kill those that deserve it, Amos eliminate anyone that doesn't align with his warped agenda, and that of Naomi's. See the difference?

Empathy? More like obsession. Miller was considered a joke by his own peers. He fell for Julie, which in turn made him obsessed to find her. Or did you also not notice Holden fearing Miller? Holden's face when Miller plugged those two thugs with ease, then calmly wiped off the dude's blood from the helmet, I had a good laugh. He knows how the system works & he's the guy who usually doesn't try to change it, but his obsession with Julie ended up turning him into less of an anti-hero. His shtick is not justice for the Canterbury or Donnager, it's justice for Julie, the rest na bonus. And you think Amos hasn't lived a hard life? It's the life that he's lived that made him who he is - a very knowledgeable grunt. After all this, I can bet you in the coming seasons that Amos will be used to effectively do all the things the other crewmates don't want to do, but have to be done. Even you, koice, will expect it of him & I can bet, you'd demand it of him at some point.

The Donnager XO was smart and deliberately played them against each other, but the rest of the crew rolled with it, all except... you know who. All brawn and no brains Amos.

So your definition of rolling with it, is all of them being at each other's throats, with Amos literally at Alex's throat? We clearly have different definitions of rolling with it. They all fell into the trap.

bykebyke:

Which kind thing be this one?

...This guy, why you no like spoiler at all?

Koice & Cao, what series are you lot discussing so intensively?

darkenedrebel:
Koice & Cao, what series are you lot discussing so intensively?

The Expanse.
After all is said & done, the series makes me want to read the books, 'cause it's obvious that elements have been taken out to fit with the 10 episodes.

darkenedrebel:


...This guy, why you no like spoiler at all?

Are you a fan of GoT?

bykebyke:

Are you a fan of GoT?

I've seen all the seasons & episodes, but I won't categorize myself as a fan - a 'keen watcher' would be the adequate term.

Why?.

darkenedrebel:


I've seen all the seasons & episodes, but I won't categorize myself as a fan - a 'keen watcher' would be the adequate term.

Why?.

Okay let's forget it...Spoilers ruin everything.. Now I'm about to watch the two last episodes of Suits,but someone(kingsilly ) has already put up a picture here of Mike taking breeze before going to jail.
Everything I imagined in my head yesterday about how awesome it would all end,shattered by just one picture..Is that fair?

bykebyke:

Okay let's forget it

Don't be such a buzzkill. Why did you ask if I was a fan of GOT. I'm curious to know.

bykebyke:

Spoilers ruin everything.. Now I'm about to watch the two last episodes of Suits,but someone(kingsilly ) has already put up a picture here of Mike taking breeze before going to jail.

I believe this thread is for discussions. You should probably refrain from reloading the pages of this thread until you've seen the latest episodes of your fave shows.

bykebyke:

Everything I imagined in my head yesterday about how awesome it would all end,shattered by just one picture..Is that fair?

No, it isn't fair - just like the äss-whooping Barcelona is administering to Rayo couple of hours from now.

cao:


Empathy? More like obsession. Miller was considered a joke by his own peers. He fell for Julie, which in turn made him obsessed to find her. Or did you also not notice Holden fearing Miller? Holden's face when Miller plugged those two thugs with ease, then calmly wiped off the dude's blood from the helmet, I had a good laugh. He knows how the system works & he's the guy who usually doesn't try to change it, but his obsession with Julie ended up turning him into less of an anti-hero. His shtick is not justice for the Canterbury or Donnager, it's justice for Julie, the rest na bonus. And you think Amos hasn't lived a hard life? It's the life that he's lived that made him who he is - a very knowledgeable grunt. After all this, I can bet you in the coming seasons that Amos will be used to effectively do all the things the other crewmates don't want to do, but have to be done. Even you, koice, will expect it of him & I can bet, you'd demand it of him at some point.

Say what?? Who single handedly uncovered a part of a greater conspiracy so huge it may very well cause a war between Earth & Mars in the future? Note, the Rocinante crew lived it and thus, learned from experience, but Miller arrived at similar thesis by merely following bread crumbs. Miller is anything but a joke IMO. He's deceptively smart, a bit corrupt... okay, very corrupt, but that's a necessary evil in a place like Ceres. Don't confused sheer determination with obsession. Yes, he kinda lost it a bit when he walked upon the corpse of Julie in room 22, but, hey, put yourself in his shoes for a moment, and you would have done worse. And don't forget his fortuitous appearance on Eros saved the Rocinante crew from finally meeting their Waterloo.

As for Amos, any hard life he may have lived, he created for himself. He had the option of staying on Earth but he chose the belt. You know why? 'Course it's where he get his rocks off - no rules and all that. He can kill people with impunity and get away with it, something he wouldn't dare do on earth. Sure, every crew needs a sewer rat, and since Amos does look like a rat, I don't mind if he gets the role at all. Remember Jayne, the designated sewer rat of Firefly?

cao:
So your definition of rolling with it, is all of them being at each other's throats, with Amos literally at Alex's throat? We clearly have different definitions of rolling with it. They all fell into the trap.

Everyone reacted as any normal human would have without having to resort to violence, mistrust is enough. But Amos, true to form, deviated from the norm.

koice:


Say what?? Who single handedly uncovered a part of a greater conspiracy so huge it covered the entire system and may very well cause a war between Earth & Mars in the future? Note, the Rocinante crew lived it and thus, learned from experience, but Miller arrived at similar thesis by merely following bread crumbs. Miller is anything but a joke IMO. He's deceptively smart, a bit corrupt... okay, very corrupt, but that's a necessary evil in a place like Ceres. Don't confused sheer determination with obsession. Yes, he kinda lost it a bit when he walked upon the corpse of Julie in room 22, but, hey, put yourself in his shoes for a moment, and you would have done worse. And don't forget his fortuitous appearance on Eros saved the Rocinante crew from finally meeting their Waterloo.

As for Amos, any hard life he may have lived, he created for himself. He had the option of staying on Earth but he chose the belt. You know why? 'Course it where he get his rocks off - no rules and all that. He can kill people with impunity and get away with it, something he wouldn't dare do on earth. Sure, every crew needs a sewer rat, and since Amos does look a rat, I don't mind if he gets that role at all. Remember Jayne, the designated sewer rat of Firefly.



Everyone reacted as any normal human would have reacted without resorting to violence, mistrust is enough. But Amos, true to form, deviated from the norm.

Octavia told Miller how he was the station's joke, he was only given Julie's case to stay busy. Even Dawes knew he was the station's joke, then laughed 'cause he realised that Miller had fallen for Julie, hence why he was determined to find her. You really weren't paying attention. Finding Julie became his obsession, which led him to being a better detective, it made him buck the trend. I'm sure his boss was very surprised by his enthusiasm. Your analysis of Amos, can also apply to Holden, who is also an Earther, your dislike for the character has truly clouded your judgement. In fact your analysis also applies to every Earther, who chose to fight for a belter cause - Julie Mao & Fred Johnson included, and any non-Earther cause, simply because these Earthers didn't want to stay still.

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Watched everything twice already.

koice:


You did make some valuable pointers: Amos does understand how things work in the Expanse indeed - he's a survivor basically.

But, like all sociopaths, he cares about only himself alone... and maybe Naomi (debatable, he may turn on her one day), He doesn't give a sh*t about the rest of the crew. For instance,

- When Miller slammed Holden against the wall in Eros, Amos just starred on, unconcerned. When Naomi yelled at him to do something, he didn't bulge, for he was more concerned for the Rocinante than helping a crew member.
- Semi - the same guy that helped them back in Eros - made the grave mistake of thinking that Amos got his back, seeing as they were on the same page, then he got shot in the back.
- He put Alex on a chokehold when they were held prisoners on the Donnager. Reason? Alex was not only exhibiting a completely natural mistrust for Naomi considering the circumstance, but clothed in Mars Navy uniform too. I guess in his warped view, that made Alex a threat that must be eliminated.

Amos is a loose cannon. He views everything in black and white. Even Naomi is afraid of him.

koice:

Say what?? Who single handedly uncovered a part of a greater conspiracy so huge it may very well cause a war between Earth & Mars in the future? Note, the Rocinante crew lived it and thus, learned from experience, but Miller arrived at similar thesis by merely following bread crumbs. Miller is anything but a joke IMO. He's deceptively smart, a bit corrupt... okay, very corrupt, but that's a necessary evil in a place like Ceres. Don't confused sheer determination with obsession. Yes, he kinda lost it a bit when he walked upon the corpse of Julie in room 22, but, hey, put yourself in his shoes for a moment, and you would have done worse. And don't forget his fortuitous appearance on Eros saved the Rocinante crew from finally meeting their Waterloo.
As for Amos, any hard life he may have lived, he created for himself. He had the option of staying on Earth but he chose the belt. You know why? 'Course it's where he get his rocks off - no rules and all that. He can kill people with impunity and get away with it, something he wouldn't dare do on earth. Sure, every crew needs a sewer rat, and since Amos does look like a rat, I don't mind if he gets the role at all. Remember Jayne, the designated sewer rat of Firefly?
Everyone reacted as any normal human would have without having to resort to violence, mistrust is enough. But Amos, true to form, deviated from the norm.

Ok I stoped watching series movies sometime last year but I think I like this one you guys are talking about. what's the title please?

cao:


Octavia told Miller how he was the station's joke, he was only given Julie's case to stay busy. Even Dawes knew he was the station's joke, then laughed 'cause he realised that Miller had fallen for Julie, hence why he was determined to find her. You really weren't paying attention. Finding Julie became his obsession, which led him to being a better detective, it made him buck the trend. I'm sure his boss was very surprised by his enthusiasm. Your analysis of Amos, can also apply to Holden, who is also an Earther, your dislike for the character has truly clouded your judgement. In fact your analysis also applies to every Earther, who chose to fight for a belter cause - Julie Mao & Fred Johnson included, and any non-Earther cause, simply because these Earthers didn't want to stay still.

Let's just agree to disagree on Miller.

- Holden left Earth pending an unjustified dishonourable discharge from Earth's Navy.
- Julie left Earth and joined the OPA to stick it to Daddy.
- Fred Johnson left earth because of his megalomaniac ambitions

Every Earther has their reasons, none is as clear cut and simple as Amos'