Nogen Nogen Nogen
Why are you being diplomatic with this ur selfish and greedy in law
This matter was discussed in detail in Part 2 of this thread,page 105 to be specific,ifegy posted a link,click on it and let hubby read the way IRS handle such criminals.
If America is no longer conducive for your in law he should come back home or go sell a kidney in Malaysia.wants to mortgage the future of 3 babies
So pissed

Nogen:
House please help me here. Bro in law is asking me to scan and send the children's birth certificates and Social Security numbers for yearly tax refund. I'm not interested and have nicely turned it down.

The man is very upset . I need to show my husband the many disadvantages as possible so he can show his brother who is now making a fuss about the whole thing now.

Please list them out for me. I told him , the SSN could go into the wrong hands who may take loans and leave debts for my innocent children in the future to pay. Give me others biko. Thanks in advance.

Sis I've fallen into this trap before. Please respectfully decline. Matter of fact I know someone battling with her sister in law over this issue but she's not budging.

The SSN is very important, it's even more important than your name in my opinion. You can change your name but you can't change your SSN.

ajujuju:


Risks
Identity theft (kids)
Bad debt (kids)
Jail time if caught defrauding d system (B-i-l)
US ban..if found to hav willfully participated (Parents)
Saying NO is gonna b hard. Bcz family alwys takes us for granted....But please think abt d kids.

anonymousmum:
He will be upset I am sure. Na so.
In short he wants to file his tax returns as though he is supporting your kids financially, and as such, he will pay lower taxes.
Also, some people sell SSN information for all sorts of purposes. There is a reason why SSN numbers are confidential. Even the SSN card says that you should not carry it around on your person.
Think of it like a credit card. Please google tax fraud using false dependants, download and print all the information you find online about tax fraud.
Paint the picture of toying with your precious kids future (which is true anyway) and mortgaging their future - please ensure you paint as gory a picture as possible.
Handle it as diplomatically as possible but DO NOT BUDGE please!!

Bisoye82:
Nogen Nogen Nogen
Why are you being diplomatic with this ur selfish and greedy in law
This matter was discussed in detail in Part 2 of this thread,page 105 to be specific,ifegy posted a link,click on it and let hubby read the way IRS handle such criminals.
If America is no longer conducive for your in law he should come back home or go sell a kidney in Malaysia.wants to mortgage the future of 3 babies
So pissed

Lol... you have vexed. I feel you. The thing is annoying.

Bisoye82:
Nogen Nogen Nogen
Why are you being diplomatic with this ur selfish and greedy in law
This matter was discussed in detail in Part 2 of this thread,page 105 to be specific,ifegy posted a link,click on it and let hubby read the way IRS handle such criminals.
If America is no longer conducive for your in law he should come back home or go sell a kidney in Malaysia.wants to mortgage the future of 3 babies
So pissed

Kidney lon lon...hehehehehe sho le to yen ni?

SSN can ruin you even b4 u start your life. Ordinary London my wallet was stolen/lost on the bus home. I nonchalantly felt i should handle the issue the next day before I woke up the next day my credit and debit cards had been tried on TMobile and 3 for contract phones, my NI card was in my wallet and it was presented by the fraudsters alongside my IDs....i know a friend that can never own an account in UK because of a fraud committed thru his details which he knew nothing of but still fighting it till 2mro.

So your hubby shld think of your babies future ooo.

And like Bisoye said good Kidney for Malay is always in demand.

Hi everyone,my POE story.
Came in yesterday to dallas fort Worth via frankfurt
In lagos,i was asked for fit to fly by the lufthanza staff but that's the only place I was asked .
Arriving in dallas, people with b1/b2 visa do automated custom check but if u have food or over 10k( which I did) u will be sent to an officer.
The officer stamped me in for 6 months after asking how long I wanted to say n I said I wanted to give birth.no questions about receipts from previous birth and all.i was quite scared cos last time I came to gv birth I didn't say.
It was all breezy and I think dallas is a very good POE.
Meanwhile is there anyone in dallas to give birth right now? Pls pm me

This tax refund thing do we know anyone it has landed into trouble really and honestly?


It's not identity theft, it's not bad debt and its it mortgaging your children's future off and all the names bring bantered around - depending on the relative in question.

A lot of people have been doing it for donkey years and the world haven't come crashing - this is from personal experience of people close to me, a lot of these kids are now adults and have moved to the USA now for school and work

I'm not saying do it because It's morally wrong and in a way fraud but let's stop painting a gory picture

Pls before anyone quotes me to preach read the paragraph above again. Thanks

bbaby84:



Sis I've fallen into this trap before. Please respectfully decline. Matter of fact I know someone battling with her sister in law over this issue but she's not budging.

The SSN is very important, it's even more important than your name in my opinion. You can change your name but you can't change your SSN.

Who told you you can't change your SSN ??
E be like say na today you enter America.
Everyone is entitled to 2 SSN

@RichYoung



The increase in crimes of identity theft led to the drafting of the Identity Theft and Assumption Deterrence Act.[34] In 1998, The Federal Trade Commission appeared before the United States Senate.[35] The FTC discussed crimes which exploit consumer credit to commit loan fraud, mortgage fraud, lines-of-credit fraud, credit card fraud, commodities and services frauds. The Identity Theft Deterrence Act (2003)[ITADA] amended U.S. Code Title 18, § 1028 ("Fraud related to activity in connection with identification documents, authentication features, and information". The statute now makes the possession of any "means of identification" to "knowingly transfer, possess, or use without lawful authority" a federal crime, alongside unlawful possession of identification documents. However, for federal jurisdiction to prosecute, the crime must include an "identification document" that either: (a) is purportedly issued by the United States, (b) is used or intended to defraud the United States, (c) is sent through the mail, or (d) is used in a manner that affects interstate or foreign commerce. See 18 U.S.C. § 1028(c). Punishment can be up to 5, 15, 20, or 30 years in federal prison, plus fines, depending on the underlying crime per 18 U.S.C. § 1028(b). In addition, punishments for the unlawful use of a "means of identification" were strengthened in § 1028A ("Aggravated Identity Theft", allowing for a consecutive sentence under specific enumerated felony violations as defined in § 1028A(c)(1) through (11).[36]

The Act also provides the Federal Trade Commission with authority to track the number of incidents and the dollar value of losses. Their figures relate mainly to consumer financial crimes and not the broader range of all identification-based crimes.[37]

If charges are brought by state or local law enforcement agencies, different penalties apply depending on the state.


from wiki.

tpiar:




The increase in crimes of identity theft led to the drafting of the Identity Theft and Assumption Deterrence Act.[34] In 1998, The Federal Trade Commission appeared before the United States Senate.[35] The FTC discussed crimes which exploit consumer credit to commit loan fraud, mortgage fraud, lines-of-credit fraud, credit card fraud, commodities and services frauds. The Identity Theft Deterrence Act (2003)[ITADA] amended U.S. Code Title 18, § 1028 ("Fraud related to activity in connection with identification documents, authentication features, and information". The statute now makes the possession of any "means of identification" to "knowingly transfer, possess, or use without lawful authority" a federal crime, alongside unlawful possession of identification documents. However, for federal jurisdiction to prosecute, the crime must include an "identification document" that either: (a) is purportedly issued by the United States, (b) is used or intended to defraud the United States, (c) is sent through the mail, or (d) is used in a manner that affects interstate or foreign commerce. See 18 U.S.C. § 1028(c). Punishment can be up to 5, 15, 20, or 30 years in federal prison, plus fines, depending on the underlying crime per 18 U.S.C. § 1028(b). In addition, punishments for the unlawful use of a "means of identification" were strengthened in § 1028A ("Aggravated Identity Theft", allowing for a consecutive sentence under specific enumerated felony violations as defined in § 1028A(c)(1) through (11).[36]

The Act also provides the Federal Trade Commission with authority to track the number of incidents and the dollar value of losses. Their figures relate mainly to consumer financial crimes and not the broader range of all identification-based crimes.[37]

If charges are brought by state or local law enforcement agencies, different penalties apply depending on the state.


from wiki.

Can you summarize what you just copied and paste ?

not really.

You can check the article on wiki.

swappylove:
Hi everyone,my POE story.
Came in yesterday to dallas fort Worth via frankfurt
In lagos,i was asked for fit to fly by the lufthanza staff but that's the only place I was asked .
Arriving in dallas, people with b1/b2 visa do automated custom check but if u have food or over 10k( which I did) u will be sent to an officer.
The officer stamped me in for 6 months after asking how long I wanted to say n I said I wanted to give birth.no questions about receipts from previous birth and all.i was quite scared cos last time I came to gv birth I didn't say.
It was all breezy and I think dallas is a very good POE.
Meanwhile is there anyone in dallas to give birth right now? Pls pm me

I'm presently in Dallas fort worth too. Oya let's connect

anonymousmum:
He will be upset I am sure. Na so.

In short he wants to file his tax returns as though he is supporting your kids financially, and as such, he will pay lower taxes.

Also, some people sell SSN information for all sorts of purposes. There is a reason why SSN numbers are confidential. Even the SSN card says that you should not carry it around on your person.

Think of it like a credit card. Please google tax fraud using false dependants, download and print all the information you find online about tax fraud.

Paint the picture of toying with your precious kids future (which is true anyway) and mortgaging their future - please ensure you paint as gory a picture as possible.

Handle it as diplomatically as possible but DO NOT BUDGE please!!

This is why I didn't process SSN for my baby. When she is 18, she can go and get it. Not like she needs SSN for anything sef

favoredgal:
This tax refund thing do we know anyone it has landed into trouble really and honestly?


It's not identity theft, it's not bad debt and its it mortgaging your children's future off and all the names bring bantered around - depending on the relative in question.

A lot of people have been doing it for donkey years and the world haven't come crashing - this is from personal experience of people close to me, a lot of these kids are now adults and have moved to the USA now for school and work

I'm not saying do it because It's morally wrong and in a way fraud but let's stop painting a gory picture

Pls before anyone quotes me to preach read the paragraph above again. Thanks

Why one cannot argue on this matter is that available information is limited, hence it's better to err on the side of caution.

@nogen where was BIL when you were in El Paso, renting accommodation and stressing yourself? Was he there for you?

Please tell him you didn't apply for SSN for your babies. Shikena

@Nogen I tots agree wiith ajuju and Nef.
Bisoye u won't kee me o!

The truth is, u owe him nothing. Your kids arent dependent on him so his attempting to claim that is fraudulent. He can be upset for the whole of africa and europe, that's his pot of beans.mbok mbok mbok don't let somebody pressurize you into what u don't want.
Btw I de call u o! The nos ends with 33

I hail the house ooo. Na Vigilante dey do me strong thing. Pls my lo's pp is yet to come and we have about 1wk to leave. Pls I'll appreciate if someone can help with the ETC agent's contact. I can contact her directly cos am also in Dallas. Thank you, Nagode, Obrigado.

Am sorry for this Questions biko

favoredgal:
This tax refund thing do we know anyone it has landed into trouble really and honestly?


It's not identity theft, it's not bad debt and its it mortgaging your children's future off and all the names bring bantered around - depending on the relative in question.

A lot of people have been doing it for donkey years and the world haven't come crashing - this is from personal experience of people close to me, a lot of these kids are now adults and have moved to the USA now for school and work

Sweety dat you dnt knw anyone whose been jailed for tax fraud doesnt mean it isnt happening.

Yes like u said... ts been goin on for years, but must we pose a blind eye to what we all know is wrong? He is trying to defraud a sytem that was put in place to protect d citizens.

Tomorrow now when they ban refunds for genuine conditions we will all cry fowl, whn we know how people have worked to beat d system.

No one has said d man would defraud his nephew n neices. Wht we r sayin is d risks are many. That d man doesnt steal dr identity doesnt mean d wrong hands cants get a hold of it. And dnt say fraudstars can forge it bcz America has sooo tried to secure d process. Most times now dz risks arise bcz smone was careless.

Yes hes a family member and truly may hv no intent of harm but if dats d case.. y is he angered by her refusal? Ts her kids. Her choicee. No one shld ever be forced to do smth dy do not want to regardless of how gud d intention.

My own 10kobo!

Hi dear, I sent a pm of her contact, check your mail

Apple19:
I hail the house ooo. Na Vigilante dey do me strong thing. Pls my lo's pp is yet to come and we have about 1wk to leave. Pls I'll appreciate if someone can help with the ETC agent's contact. I can contact her directly cos am also in Dallas. Thank you, Nagode, Obrigado.

Am sorry for this Questions biko

Well said Ajuju.
Have we become so insensitive of the fact that crimes are crimes? Can one not say, I'm not willing to commit a crime despite the fact that others have been doing it and seemingly nobody is hurt?

We all troop to the USs to birth because we want something better for the kids as our system hs failed us.We yearn for a system tht works. So why would we carry the 419 and Naij sharp practices to this same place we hope will be the land of milk and honey for the kids?

When will nigerians start making a good name for ourselves abi we are happy with being pulled apart for secondary inspection, extra checks, and a more rigorous visa application? Me I'm not nd that's why I take the stand that Nogen can tell her bil to go hug transformer if he is so minded.

Abefeokin:


I'm presently in Dallas fort worth too. Oya let's connect

Hello,

Please which hospital / doc do u plan using in dallas and how much is it?

Thanks

ify4charm:

i was wheeled to agriculture where my bags were scanned because i indicated i had food on the form given on the flight. I had grounded egusi,knor cube(plain), grounded ogbono,grounded pepper soup spice, grounded pepper,dried fish, crayfish(not grounded, dried uziza and utazi leave, frozen pap,bitter leaf and ugbaka.(Igbo pple will understand some of these stuff). My indomie chicken was seized and i had two pieces of agbalumo (lol) which i forgot to finish up that were also thrown away, nothing else was seized

Na wash for you o,you wan go open African shop there? Lol,with all these plenty food.

dere5:


Na wash for you o,you wan go open African shop there? Lol,with all these plenty food.

Hm ! Compared to what other people have carried? She's a saint o. U never see beans nd ogiri. She no even carry garri sef!

Thanks to everyone who took out time to address this concern of mine. I have also shown DH your responses, he should deal with his family without involving my children and I. My stand remains that nobody should be given my children's SSNS for tax refund.

I detest stealing in any form. Good name is better than silver and gold. Let's continue to shun criminality in any disguise it may come. We are Nigerians , we ain't all fraudulent! God bless us all. Amen

dere5:


Na wash for you o,you wan go open African shop there? Lol,with all these plenty food.

Lol, abi o! Staying 3months no b beans. Besides, I have family in the us so I thot naija foodstuff was the best to give them. Would ve added more if possible but had exhausted my luggage allowance.I forgot to add groundnut and beans and ogiri to the list.lol

.

Yipee! I love hearing dallas gist. Congrats!

swappylove:
Hi everyone,my POE story.
Came in yesterday to dallas fort Worth via frankfurt
In lagos,i was asked for fit to fly by the lufthanza staff but that's the only place I was asked .
Arriving in dallas, people with b1/b2 visa do automated custom check but if u have food or over 10k( which I did) u will be sent to an officer.
The officer stamped me in for 6 months after asking how long I wanted to say n I said I wanted to give birth.no questions about receipts from previous birth and all.i was quite scared cos last time I came to gv birth I didn't say.
It was all breezy and I think dallas is a very good POE.
Meanwhile is there anyone in dallas to give birth right now? Pls pm me

LadyGuinivere:
Well said Ajuju.
Have we become so insensitive of the fact that crimes are crimes? Can one not say, I'm not willing to commit a crime despite the fact that others have been doing it and seemingly nobody is hurt?

We all troop to the USs to birth because we want something better for the kids as our system hs failed us.We yearn for a system tht works. So why would we carry the 419 and Naij sharp practices to this same place we hope will be the land of milk and honey for the kids?

When will nigerians start making a good name for ourselves abi we are happy with being pulled apart for secondary inspection, extra checks, and a more rigorous visa application? Me I'm not nd that's why I take the stand that Nogen can tell her bil to go hug transformer if he is so minded.

What will happen to the tax refunds when it comes out? E go wire d money come 9ja ni?

Infact, where is modath? come and hear ds ssn gist o!

nefertitiram:



What will happen to the tax refunds when it comes out? E go wire d money come 9ja ni?

Infact, where is modath? come and hear ds ssn gist o!

That is what he plans to do but we said we aren't interested . The man just dey para on the phone for almost 30 minutes say I turned it down. That he discussed with his wife before telling us. The wife was positive I was going to agree but he doubted her. He knew I wouldn't agree with it, why is he now upset? After all, wasn't that his expectation of me? I tire o!

favoredgal:
This tax refund thing do we know anyone it has landed into trouble really and honestly?


It's not identity theft, it's not bad debt and its it mortgaging your children's future off and all the names bring bantered around - depending on the relative in question.

A lot of people have been doing it for donkey years and the world haven't come crashing - this is from personal experience of people close to me, a lot of these kids are now adults and have moved to the USA now for school and work

I'm not saying do it because It's morally wrong and in a way fraud but let's stop painting a gory picture

Pls before anyone quotes me to preach read the paragraph above again. Thanks

The bolded is enough.
While, I understand what you may be saying with depends on who its with et al, eitherway it's tax fraud end of.

nefertitiram:



What will happen to the tax refunds when it comes out? E go wire d money come 9ja ni?

Infact, where is mod.ath? come and hear ds ssn gist o!

I bin wan sit this one out nah! Why you call me out? , since we both didn't process so as to just stay out of any drama that being recalcitrant may bring...

I still need place for online stores to deliver stuff so can't burn that bridge.


Favoredgal, you see the problem is not the intention of one's relatives only, it is the fallout of any oversight/safekeeping, me & nef hear tory about Sola Sola & huge gbese some people ran into & our ears full..

Better safe than sorry...

Mama Nogen , you nor worry, your in law will be alright, mine too nor let me rest but since my boy doesn't have, what will I give out?



SSN causes disaffection when the hosts request & one isn't forthcoming, best thing is to not even get it, My folks tried to convince me about pushing for SSN,I just told them the SSN office said it will come, they called me that it didn't come, I say "no be my fault"

Bisoye82:
Nogen Nogen Nogen
Why are you being diplomatic with this ur selfish and greedy in law
This matter was discussed in detail in Part 2 of this thread,page 105 to be specific,ifegy posted a link,click on it and let hubby read the way IRS handle such criminals.
If America is no longer conducive for your in law he should come back home or go sell a kidney in Malaysia.wants to mortgage the future of 3 babies
So pissed

lwkmd o. Babe you badt

modath:


I bin wan sit this one out nah! Why you call me out? , since we both didn't process so as to just stay out of any drama that being recalcitrant may bring...

I still need place for online stores to deliver stuff so can't burn that bridge.


Favoredgal, you see the problem is not the intention of one's relatives only, it is the fallout of any oversight/safekeeping, me & nef hear tory about Sola Sola & huge gbese some people ran into & our ears full..

Better safe than sorry...

Mama Nogen , you nor worry, your in law will be alright, mine too nor let me rest but since my boy doesn't have, what will I give out?



SSN causes disaffection when the hosts request & one isn't forthcoming, best thing is to not even get it, My folks tried to convince me about pushing for SSN,I just told them the SSN office said it will come, they called me that it didn't come, I say "no be my fault"

GBAM!