raumdeuter:


Of the people ahead of Martial in goal scoring, How many of them are point strikers for their team?

The ones who are not strikers, how many take Penalty and Free kicks for their team which boost their goals

Martial is not the top striker for man utd, he isnt the dead ball taker for his team

So lets sieve the top strikers and the PK/FK takers out to see how many are actually ahead of martial Shall we?

This other moronic argument again.

Instead of asking why Martial isn't good enough to take deadballs, and not trusted to score pens, you want to try and discount legitimate skills that are difficult to master...

Remember how Bayern lost in the DFB Pokal on pens last season?

kokaneprodigy:

Same way they've started singing praise and worship songs to Mensah, they'll soon carve out one medal for him. Just watch.

Who would Arsenal sing praises for? Wenger after a dozen years without a league title?

No be sere sere....... Martial is way better than Giroud or Iwobi....

When we tell some Arsenal fans to watch the TV and stop their stat obsessed stupidity...

United has scored 35 goals all season and have one of the lowest chance created in the league.......And you expect a 19 year old stuck on the wings in his first season to do what abeg??


If Iwobi was French,would he be going to the Euros??


Imagine..... Martial to Giroud?? O ga o
I don't need stats to tell me Martial is better than anyone of the same age In EPL

Nihilist:
This other moronic argument again.
Instead of asking why Martial isn't good enough to take deadballs, and not trusted to score pens, you want to try and discount legitimate skills that are difficult to master...

Remember how Bayern lost in the DFB Pokal on pens last season?

You are the one with the morronic argument, In most cases the PK taker are usually the senior member of the team or the star of the team . point to one team whose PK taker is a 20yr old. At Man Utd Captain Rooney or Mata takes the PK.

So back to the issue, show me a player ahead of Martial in goals who isnt a top striker or a dead ball taker. time is ticking

raumdeuter:


Marcos Rashford 3 goals in 470mins

Alexis Sanchez 9 goals in 2000 mins

Giroud 12 goals in 2000 mins

Now tell me who isnt overhyped at your useless club called Assanal

What are you saying?
Show me a post where Sanchez or Giroud was hyped as best this or that.
Nobody is taking anything away from Martial's contribution to the team. the argument is, his outputs are over hyped whatever criteria u use. They are average at best.

raumdeuter:

Marcos Rashford 3 goals in 470mins
Alexis Sanchez 9 goals in 2000 mins
Giroud 12 goals in 2000 mins
Now tell me who isnt overhyped at your useless club called Assanal

Marcos Rashford greater than everyone at Arsenal

Iwobi ko, Nkwobi ni

kokaneprodigy:

What are you saying?
Show me a post where Sanchez or Giroud was hyped as best this or that.
Nobody is taking anything away from Martial's contribution to the team. the argument is, his outputs are over hyped whatever criteria u use. They are average at best.

So show me any Arsenal player that is better than marcos rashford

Spy360:
Walcott has pace and is a better finisher than Giroud, he can also score with both feet.

But, positional awareness is the reason why Wenger is relunctant to play him as a CF. Positional awareness can make a striker get totally missing in a game. Some may drop to midfield so as to get a feel of the ball. Whenever Walcott gets this right he will be the best striker in Europe, because honestly I rate him as one of the best finishers in the game, better than Ronaldo and Aguero.

Henry had the same problem when he arrived at Highbury, but overcame the challenged and became the best striker in Europe then.

So, while Walcott is a better goal scorer, Giroud is a better CF.

Surprised at how some people discard stats while arguing about some players and cling to it on others. Changing like weather

The way Nihilist and coded01 dey always carry Martial matter for head like gala sha.

raumdeuter:


So show me any Arsenal player that is better than marcos rashford

Now you want me to list players better than Rashford, dude I'm done bye, don't waste my time.

By the way when I asked you to show me a post, I forgot to add apart from a post by spy360. Even we (arsenal fans) don't take his comparisons literally.

chrisley024:
Surprised at how some people discard stats while arguing about some players and cling to it on others. Changing like weather

The way Nihilist and coded01 dey always carry Martial matter for head like gala sha.

Now who's discarding stats? Isn't it raumdueter? Cos stats don't favour his argument today?

kokaneprodigy:

Now you want me to list players better than Rashford, dude I'm done bye, don't waste my time.

By the way when I asked you to show me a post, I forgot to add apart from a post by spy360. Even we (arsenal fans) don't take his comparisons literally.

The same stats you used to discredit martial and compare him to Nkwobi is the same I am using to compare Marcos Rashford to every Arsenal player

You fell in love with stats when discussing Martial but suddenly fell out of love when discussing Rashford

bring out any Arsenal player this season that can stand Rashfords stats 3 goals in 470mins

Marcos Rashford >>> Every Arsenal player

raumdeuter:


You are the one with the morronic argument, In most cases the PK taker are usually the senior member of the team or the star of the team . point to one team whose PK taker is a 20yr old. At Man Utd Captain Rooney or Mata takes the PK.

So back to the issue, show me a player ahead of Martial in goals who isnt a top striker or a dead ball taker. time is ticking

You are quite daft Egbon...

Harry Kane is Spurs top pen taker...he's also one of the youngest in the squad.

Ditto Lukaku.

Mahrez is a younger player both in age and squad status to Jamie Vardy but was on Pen duty till he kept missing...then Vardy took over

Aguero is one of the youngest in that ageing city squad...He's still on pen duty

Hazard has been on Pen duty since Kingdom come

Jordan Ayer at Villa just came, is young and is the main guy.

I could go on an on...but it's obvious that age is not the main factor in choosing the pen taker...SKILL is...and whose fault is it if Martial is not deemed good enough to take Pens? Mine?

To answer your question
I've already give you two examples of non-strikers in worse off teams who aren't the main set piece takers at their clubs

Arnautovic and Wijnaldum. Ross Barkley and Alli are tied with him for goals and yet out do him on assists...

raumdeuter:


The same stats you used to discredit martial and compare him to Nkwobi is the same I am using to compare Marcos Rashford to every Arsenal player

You fell in love with stats when discussing Martial but suddenly fell out of love when discussing Rashford

bring out any Arsenal player this season that can stand Rashfords stats 3 goals in 470mins

Marcos Rashford >>> Every Arsenal player

Welbeck has 3 goals in 426mins now leave me alone

Anybody that says Martial is better than Giroud is sick in the head, of that there's no doubt.

A forward is judged primarily on scoring goals....and Martial has not scored enough goals either in France or England to be discussed in the same conversation as Giroud

At least LVG does not manage Les Bleus where Giroud is still keeping Martial outside on the left.

More stats say Fosu Mensah is better than all Arsenal central defenders

kokaneprodigy:

Now who's discarding stats? Isn't it raumdueter? Cos stats don't favour his argument today?

How am i discarding stats? I only said with my stats Rashford >> All Arsenal players

Nihilist:


You are quite daft Egbon...

Harry Kane is Spurs top pen taker...he's also one of the youngest in the squad.

Ditto Lukaku.

Mahrez is a younger player both in age and squad status to Jamie Vardy but was on Pen duty till he kept missing...then Vardy took over

Aguero is one of the youngest in that ageing city squad...He's still on pen duty

Hazard has been on Pen duty since Kingdom come

Jordan Ayer at Villa just came, is young and is the main guy.

I could go on an on...but it's obvious that age is not the main factor in choosing the pen taker...SKILL is...and whose fault is it if Martial is not deemed good enough to take Pens? Mine?

To answer your question
I've already give you two examples of non-strikers in worse off teams who aren't the main set piece takers at their clubs

Arnautovic and Wijnaldum. Ross Barkley and Alli are tied with him for goals and yet out do him on assists...

Its a shame that you are this old and daft

You quoted this post and you are still posting rubbish.

raumdeuter:

You are the one with the morronic argument, In most cases the PK taker are usually the senior member of the team or the star of the team . point to one team whose PK taker is a 20yr old. At Man Utd Captain Rooney or Mata takes the PK.
So back to the issue, show me a player ahead of Martial in goals who isnt a top striker or a dead ball taker. time is ticking

Havent you cured the jaundice that you are suffering from?

Is kane, Aguero, Mahrez, Hazard and Ayew not the star of the team?

Now go detox, smoke less weed and post again

Show us any team where the PK taker is a 20yr old

kokaneprodigy:

Now who's discarding stats? Isn't it raumdueter? Cos stats don't favour his argument today?

I'm actually referring to Nihilist that discarded stats during the argument on Iniesta and wants to use it now against Martial.

The lowest point was Giroud vs Martial.

raumdeuter:


Its a shame that you are this old and daft

You quoted this post and you are still posting rubbish.



Havent you cured the jaundice that you are suffering from?

Is kane, Aguero, Mahrez, Hazard and Ayew not the star of the team?

Now go detox, smoke less weed and post again

Show us any team where the PK taker is a 20yr old

You are the one that is daft

How won't the main attacking threat be the main star?

Or did they just pluck 'main star' badge from the air and pin it to Harry Kane's bumbum?

Why is Danny Rose not the main star? Or Danny Simpson? Or Okazaki

Main attacking threat = Main Star = Main set piece taker at most clubs

Nihilist:
You are the one that is daft
How won't the main attacking threat be the main star?
Or did they just pluck 'main star' badge from the air and pin it to Harry Kane's bumbum?
Why is Danny Rose not the main star? Or Danny Simpson? Or Okazaki
Main attacking threat = Main Star = Main set piece taker at most clubs

Rooney is the main star in man Utd and he takes the penalties

Arnautovic has already scored 3 league penalties for Stoke. Take away those 3 PK goals and he is behind martial, he is also a freekick taker for Stoke

Gerrard was taking Penalty and set pieces for Liverpool while Suarez and Sturridge were there

raumdeuter:
More stats say Fosu Mensah is better than all Arsenal central defenders

Dude this is preposterous.
I'm sure you know better!

chrisley024:
I'm actually referring to Nihilist that discarded stats during the argument on Iniesta and wants to use it now against Martial.

The lowest point was Giroud vs Martial.

I was responding to a ridiculous claim that Martial is '1000% better than Giroud'

If Giroud has more goals in far less minutes than Martial, how then is Martial better?

A striker's Job first and foremost is to score...yet even as a provider, Giroud has done better...so what else do you want to bring to the table?


The iniesta discussion was completely different. A central midfielder has many job, to attack, to defend, to create, to circulate....and the essence of play making is actually intangible.

I admit you have a point about my seemingly double standards but the the job of a forward less complicated than a CM...and that's why the best striker award is not decided by vote anywhere in the world.

kokaneprodigy:

Dude this is preposterous.
I'm sure you know better!

What is Preposterous? Are you not staring at the facts?

The same facts that show Iwobi is better than Martial

Facts say Fosu-Mensah >> Gabriel , Koscielny and Mertersacker

raumdeuter:


Rooney is the main star in man Utd and he takes the penalties

Arnautovic has already scored 3 league penalties for Stoke. Take away those 3 PK goals and he is behind martial, he is also a freekick taker for Stoke

Gerrard was taking Penalty and set pieces for Liverpool while Suarez and Sturridge were there

You are clutching at straws now.

Your argument about penalty takers is daft and redundant because penalty taking is a skill that has to be mastered in the same way finishing must be mastered, otherwise there wouldn't be a dedicated Pen taker at any club.

We saw how Bayern players missed multiple Pens in a shootout leading to a cup defeat last season shoeing how difficult a skill it is to master

So it's nobody's fault but Martial if he's not good enough to take Pens for manyoo on a regular basis...though I'm sure I've seen him take Pens this season.

Finally your question has been answered...Wijnaldum

raumdeuter:


What is Preposterous? Are you not staring at the facts?

The same facts that show Iwobi is better than Martial

Facts say Fosu-Mensah >> Gabriel , Koscielny and Mertersacker

Those facts don't say Iwobi is better BTW...

All they show is that Iwobi has 3 goals in 400 minutes.

You can't draw any logical inference from such a mismatched sample size

Nihilist:
You are clutching at straws now.

Your argument about penalty takers is daft and redundant because penalty taking is a skill that has to be mastered in the same way finishing must be mastered, otherwise there wouldn't be a dedicated Pen taker at any club.

We saw how Bayern players missed multiple Pens in a shootout leading to a cup defeat last season shoeing how difficult a skill it is to master

So it's nobody's fault but Martial if he's not good enough to take Pens for manyoo on a regular basis...though I'm sure I've seen him take Pens this season.

Finally your question has been answered...Wijnaldum

Penalty are usually given to the most senior member of the team or the teams star player

Martial is neither of those. since Rooney is ahead of him.

So you cant find anyone who isnt a top striker or a PK teaker and have finally settled for Wijnaldum? is that your final answer?

When we take a look at the stats, Wijnaldum has scored 1 goal more than martial but has played 530mins more than Martial. 500mins is the equivalent of 6 full games

So Martial is still better than Wijnaldum

Checkmate!!

Nihilist:

Those facts don't say Iwobi is better BTW...
All they show is that Iwobi has 3 goals in 400 minutes.

You can't draw any logical inference from such a mismatched sample size

Iwobi 400mins is being compared to martial with 2000mins

I am also comparing Fosu Mensah with 137mins to Gabriel 1400mins, Mertersacker 1800mins and Koscienly 2300mins

So which of them can we and cant we draw inference from

iwobi vs Martial

or mensah vs Koscielny, merterscker and gabriel?

raumdeuter:


Penalty are usually given to the most senior member of the team or the teams star player

Martial is neither of those. since Rooney is ahead of him.

So you cant find anyone who isnt a top striker or a PK teaker and have finally settled for Wijnaldum? is that your final answer?

When we take a look at the stats, Wijnaldum has scored 1 goal more than martial but has played 530mins more than Martial. 500mins is the equivalent of 6 full games

So Martial is still better than Wijnaldum

Checkmate!!

Well if your Checkmate is that Martial who cost reportedly 4 times more than Wijnaldum, and who plays for a 5th place team vs Wijnaldum in 19th, has a marginally better goal scoring rate, then your case maybe beyond help...

raumdeuter:


Iwobi 400mins is being compared to martial with 2000mins

I am also comparing Fosu Mensah with 137mins to Gabriel 1400mins, Mertersacker 1800mins and Koscienly 2300mins

So which of them can we and cant we draw inference from

iwobi vs Martial

or mensah vs Koscielny, merterscker and gabriel?

Gap between sample size is too small.

Nihilist:
Well if your Checkmate is that Martial who cost reportedly 4 times more than Wijnaldum, and who plays for a 5th place team vs Wijnaldum in 19th, has a marginally better goal scoring rate, then your case maybe beyond help...

How much dem buy Defoe vs How much dem buy Diego Costa? Costa plays for the league 10th placed team Defore plays for the 18th placed team
Defoe was already playing retirement foorball in MLS, Costa at his peak
Yet Defoe has scored more goals than Costa

My checkmate is that Martial is has played less minutes and has a comparable amount of goals vs Wijnaldum

Nihilist:


Well if your Checkmate is that Martial who cost reportedly 4 times more than Wijnaldum, and who plays for a 5th place team vs Wijnaldum in 19th, has a marginally better goal scoring rate, then your case maybe beyond help...

Haha. Now on the cost of the players and league position?

Nihilist:


Gap between sample size is too small.

Which gap in sample size?
Iwobi vs Martial = 1800mins
Mensah vs Kosciely =2200
Mensah vs Mertersacker = 1700
Mensah vs Gabriel = 1250

So which of the gap is small and which is appropriate