joey150:
haha. did he really have to say so? what makes you so sure that the thief didnt? any concrete proof? because clearly nothing with sin shall make heaven as i stated clearly.. or did Jesus then lobby?

Are you trying to say Jesus did not forgive the thief his sins? If he forgave him, how come you still refer to the thief as somebody "with sin"? Or can sin remain after forgiveness?

Are you trying to say that the fact that Jesus gave the thief assurance that he'll make Heaven is not enough to bring the thief to Heaven?

DoctorAlien:


Did GOD Specify the sins one will die for in Ezek. 18:20?

clearly he didnt.
thats the more reason why Jesus came to live among men to teach us more about God. with time and the instances i gave in my earlier post, its quite clear that sins actually differs.
so all sins cannot lead to death.

joey150:
clearly he didnt.
thats the more reason why Jesus came to live among men to teach us more about God. with time and the instances i gave in my earlier post, its quite clear that sins actually differs.
so all sins cannot lead to death.

What sins can you die for and what sins can you not die for?

DoctorAlien:


Are you trying to say Jesus did not forgive the thief his sins? If he forgave him, how come you still refer to the thief as somebody "with sin"? Or can sin remain after forgiveness?

Are you trying to say that the fact that Jesus gave the thief assurance that he'll make Heaven is not enough to bring the thief to Heaven?

did Jesus actually say he forgave him? if he didnt, why then do you ask if he told him he would pass through purgatory?

joey150:
did Jesus actually say he forgave him? if he didnt, why then do you ask if he told him he would pass through purgatory?

So, according to you, Jesus did not forgive the thief?

DoctorAlien:


What sins can you die for and what sins can you not die for?

refer to my definitions of venial and mortal sins above

joey150:
did Jesus actually say he forgave him? if he didnt, why then do you ask if he told him he would pass through purgatory?

You still have not shown me a single text in the Bible that teaches purgatory.

joey150:
refer to my definitions of venial and mortal sins above

Who classified those sins? GOD?

DoctorAlien:


So, according to you, Jesus did not forgive the thief?

haha. am only towing your path here. you said Jesus never mentioned purgatory to him.. i say Jesus also never mentioned he was forgiven either.

so if we still imply he was forgiven..what makes you think we cant also imply he went through purgatory before joining Jesus.

joey150:
haha. am only towing your path here. you said Jesus never mentioned purgatory to him.. i say Jesus also never mentioned he was forgiven either.

so if we still imply he was forgiven..what makes you think we cant also imply he went through purgatory before joining Jesus.

When did the thief go through purgatory?

DoctorAlien:


You still have not shown me a single text in the Bible that teaches purgatory.

if only you can show me where the word BIBLE appears in the bible.

DoctorAlien:

When did the thief go through purgatory?

when was the thief forgiven?

joey150:
when was the thief forgiven?

He was forgiven on the cross.
Now, when did he go through purgatory?

joey150:
if only you can show me where the word BIBLE appears in the bible.

Okay. You still have not shown me a single text from the Scripture that teaches purgatory.

DoctorAlien:

He was forgiven on the cross.
Now, when did he go through purgatory?

when? how? where?

DoctorAlien:


Okay. You still have not shown me a single text from the Scripture that teaches purgatory.

if only you can tell me where i can find the word BIBLE in the bible.

joey150:
when? how? where?

"And all things, Whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive" Matt. 21:22

The thief asked for mercy, believing, and he received it, according to Jesus' word.

Now, when did the thief go through purgatory?

joey150:
if only you can tell me where i can find the word BIBLE in the bible.

LOL. Won't you teach me? Explain to me. Show me where the Bible teaches purgatory. You may succeed in teaching me what I don't know.

DoctorAlien:


"And all things, Whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive" Matt. 21:22

The thief asked for mercy, believing, and he received it, according to Jesus' word.

Now, when did the thief go through purgatory?

Luke: 23. 40. "But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation? 41. And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss. 42. And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. 43. And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise." i do not see where the thief asked for mercy there. point it out to me of you do. all i see is remember me in paradise. dosent sound like forgive me for my sins Jesus.

DoctorAlien:


LOL. Won't you teach me? Explain to me. Show me where the Bible teaches purgatory. You may succeed in teaching me what I don't know.

i have given you instances where somewhere else where sins could be forgiven other than earth and heaven and hell.. so wht then do you still ask for teachings on purgatory?

if its the actual word purgatory you want me to show you..i gladly will when you show me the actual word BIBLE in the entire bible.

joey150:

Luke: 23. 40. "But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation? 41. And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss. 42. And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. 43. And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise." i do not see where the thief asked for mercy there. point it out to me of you do. all i see is remember me in paradise. dosent sound like forgive me for my sins Jesus.

So, the thief was not begging for mercy? He was insolent in his request? Is that what you're trying to say?

If it is not by GOD's mercy, how can you make Heaven?

joey150:
i have given you instances where somewhere else where sins could be forgiven other than earth and heaven and hell.. so wht then do you still ask for teachings on purgatory?

if its the actual word purgatory you want me to show you..i gladly will when you show me the actual word BIBLE in the entire bible.

So, sins can be forgiven in hell too?

DoctorAlien:


So, the thief was not begging for mercy? He was insolent in his request? Is that what you're trying to say?

If it is not by GOD's mercy, how can you make Heaven?

you are getting my drift all wrong. you asked me where Jesus directly said he would pass through purgatory..i said he didny need to have. but if you insist, dont assume also show me where Jesus forgave him. because on the flip side I actually agree that he was pardoned by Jesus.

Gods mercy? the conditions for heaven are clear. so those that will go to hell do not deserve Gods mercy??

joey150:
i have given you instances where somewhere else where sins could be forgiven other than earth and heaven and hell.. so wht then do you still ask for teachings on purgatory?

if its the actual word purgatory you want me to show you..i gladly will when you show me the actual word BIBLE in the entire bible.

Show me a single text in the Scripture that teaches that people will be tormented and then sent to Heaven.

DoctorAlien:

So, sins can be forgiven in hell too?

i said OTHER THAN....

DoctorAlien:


Show me a single text in the Scripture that teaches that people will be tormented and then sent to Heaven.

hello did i mention torment?? hello what did saint Paul mean by he will be redeemed by fire? hello..what did Jesus mean when he implied in this world nor the NEXT?

i have addressed all this in the original post. am sorry if you expected a whole audio player of all what Jesus taught or said on earth. cause am damn sure its not all in the bible.

believing that it all starts and ends in the bible is a little naive. but thats a conversation for another time

joey150:
on the flip side I actually agree that he was pardoned by Jesus.

GOOD.

Now, tell me when the thief passed through purgatory?

joey150:
hello did i mention torment?? hello what did saint Paul mean by he will be redeemed by fire? hello..what did Jesus mean when he implied in this world nor the NEXT?

i have addressed all this in the original post. am sorry if you expected a whole audio player of all what Jesus taught or said on earth. cause am damn sure its not all in the bible

But you said purgatory is not a pleasant place? Or is it now a place of enjoyment?

DoctorAlien:


GOOD.

Now, tell me when the thief passed through purgatory?

i agreed because i assumed he had to be forgiven. you should do the same and agree he passed through a stage where he was cleansed.
if you dont..then sorry.
i remember also where Jesus told leapers to still go to the temple and carry out the normal rites even after he had healed them

DoctorAlien:


But you said purgatory is not a pleasant place? Or is it now a place of enjoyment?

oh i have never been there.
but fire is never pleasant either

joey150:
hello did i mention torment?? hello what did saint Paul mean by he will be redeemed by fire? hello..what did Jesus mean when he implied in this world nor the NEXT?

i have addressed all this in the original post. am sorry if you expected a whole audio player of all what Jesus taught or said on earth. cause am damn sure its not all in the bible.

believing that it all starts and ends in the bible is a little naive. but thats a conversation for another time

Are you now saying the Bible is not sufficient for the Christian?

joey150:
i agreed because i assumed he had to be forgiven. you should do the same and agree he passed through a stage where he was cleansed.
if you dont..then sorry.
i remember also where Jesus told leapers to still go to the temple and carry out the normal rites even after he had healed them

LOL. I am forced to laugh. "you should do the same and agree he passed through a stage where he was cleansed".

Very funny. So, after Jesus forgave him, his sin remained? So Jesus' forgiveness is not enough for the sinner?