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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by twinskenny(m): 6:30pm On May 13, 2016
EgunMogaji:


That's what they make because I have friends and neighbors in the construction industry here.

No construction worker makes $80 bucks an hour. Well, maybe in New York city with their mob stuff and building skyscraper. Just maybe.

make I pack my load then grin
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by agarawu23(m): 6:34pm On May 13, 2016
EgunMogaji:


That's what they make because I have friends and neighbors in the construction industry here.

No construction worker makes $80 bucks an hour. Well, maybe in New York city with their mob stuff and building skyscraper. Just maybe.

i ain't even aiming going to US to hunt for my career job, i am going strictly for car biz and any job i do will just be to support my hustle. My dad has been going there to buy cars but he was refused last year when he was about to renew his visa so i am giving it a trial if i can be lucky.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by mufutau55(m): 6:39pm On May 13, 2016
4nobody4every1:
Hahahaha, Engineer without a degree, l will make an official report to EFCC, COREN and other relevant bodies Lol, your Engineer should be made to pay a fine of 50million Naira for constructing a building without a degree grin grin grin

LOL! 50million Naira fine? Nah to die be that o. smiley

Hajji M.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by mufutau55(m): 6:45pm On May 13, 2016
mavverick:
Dont mind some of these so called Engineers, they poke fun at Baba Lati and co, and they forget that most Baba Lati's have been building houses before they were born, so a lot of experience.

In my village, we still have some of the storey buildings by all the Baba Latis with pako decking and none of this building ever collapse o.
And we are talking about many, many years o.

Hajji M.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 6:47pm On May 13, 2016
twinskenny:
make I pack my load then grin

And when you get to JFK and you're asked the purpose for your visit. Just say "Hajj", I swear you'll get a ticker tape parade down Broadway led by Juliani or whoever is there now grin
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by kopell: 7:39pm On May 13, 2016
EgunMogaji:


I laff tire.
I don't need to join issue with you, come to NYC asks for operating Engeneer hourly pay ok.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by kopell: 8:02pm On May 13, 2016
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 8:06pm On May 13, 2016
kopell:
I don't need to join issue with you, come to NYC asks for operating Engeneer hourly pay ok.

I don't actually care if your join issues or not, that na your palava. If you have a point to make, please go ahead.

And, I'll turn down your request to visit NYC, I don't care for the east coast. I thank god that I'm in a position in life that I can choose where I go to.

EgunMogaji:


That's what they make because I have friends and neighbors in the construction industry here.

No construction worker makes $80 bucks an hour. Well, maybe in New York city with their mob stuff and building skyscraper. Just maybe.

Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by 4nobody4every1: 8:10pm On May 13, 2016
mufutau55:


LOL! 50million Naira fine? Nah to die be that o. smiley

Hajji M.
grin grin grin

Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 8:11pm On May 13, 2016
kopell:
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by 4nobody4every1: 8:15pm On May 13, 2016
mufutau55:


In my village, we still have some of the storey buildings by all the Baba Latis with pako decking and none of this building ever collapse o.
And we are talking about many, many years o.

Hajji M.
True, my late grandmothers house is still standing till date, it was built before l was born and it is still standing like the rock of Gibraltar without any structural problems, maybe it was aliens that constructed the house for her sef..Lol because there is no single crack and no maintenance whatsoever apart from the normal day to day cleaning and mopping of the floors cool

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by ceelog(m): 8:32pm On May 13, 2016
@Hajj and @Egun...you guys live abroad and I see on TV where vaulted wooden ceilings make a home very expensive and highly rated. But you guys don't include it in your personal builds. Is it the fear of heat? Would it not be reduced with a roof vent?.

I just love the vaulted ceiling idea. Builders what's your thought? Doable in Naija?
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by mufutau55(m): 8:45pm On May 13, 2016
ceelog:
@Hajj and @Egun...you guys live abroad and I see on TV where vaulted wooden ceilings make a home very expensive and highly rated. But you guys don't include it in your personal builds. Is it the fear of heat? Would it not be reduced with a roof vent?.
I just love the vaulted ceiling idea. Builders what's your thought? Doable in Naija?

They are lovely o.... but simply, in my own case; I am a very poor man.. so I just build with the simple and minimal cost items.
But we will probably see that in EgunM's real bungalow build when the time comes.. he is the modern one.. not I o.
I believe Fastshipping posted some way back and Brabus showcase some on his thread.

Hajji M.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 8:52pm On May 13, 2016
ceelog:
@Hajj and @Egun...you guys live abroad and I see on TV where vaulted wooden ceilings make a home very expensive and highly rated. But you guys don't include it in your personal builds. Is it the fear of heat? Would it not be reduced with a roof vent?.

I just love the vaulted ceiling idea. Builders what's your thought? Doable in Naija?

I'll just tell you the design that I have for my garage apartment.

The ceiling is 12 coaches high which is about 12 feet, that's pretty high. I'm not using POP so I'll loose very minimal height for the actual finished ceiling. Heat trap will not be an issue because there will be a solar powered whole house fan that vents directly into the attic. There will be two gable vents on either side of the attic wall where the hot air should naturally escape.

I'm also using casement windows that have projections at the top. These type of window will allow me to at least crack open the projected windows during inclement weather or at night. That in conjunction with the whole house fan will make sure that air is moved throughout the house.

You should go for whatever design, style that floats your boat. It's your house and you won't be asking anybody to finance it. If you get a good Architect and a builder that doesn't think he knows what you need more than you then you'll be okay.

Costwise, windows design is the same price, whole house fan is maybe $150 and gable vents can be constructed by local artisan. I talked to my local welder and he thinks he can make the whole house fan. My stuff might look expensive but they really aren't. I just have a knack to thinking outside of the box, and I take my sweet time.

Edit:

Picture of installer with window is from Nairaland, and not my own picture.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by erico2k2(m): 10:32pm On May 13, 2016
agarawu23:
i ain't even aiming going to US to hunt for my career job, i am going strictly for car biz and any job i do will just be to support my hustle. My dad has been going there to buy cars but he was refused last year when he was about to renew his visa so i am giving it a trial if i can be lucky.
Car biz??
bro invest your cash in real estate instead, take it form ME a person who did car Biz for 12 years.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by abdulwastecx(m): 11:08pm On May 13, 2016
agarawu23:
someone like Me no even need engineer unless I am not around or I am in money and busy to monitor it myself.
may be you don't know the work of an engineer

My Oga go even sack me if him hear say I put engineer for my site cos he will ask what I learned with over 4years working in his company.

My boss is a bloody illiterate but he is an expert in construction and a bloody millionaire. He has built different buildings here in tunisia. He will rubbish you and the crap u claimed you studied in university about building construction grin


Your bloody illiterate boss may be know how to build (due to experience ) but know jack about civil engineering and cannot rubbish even an undergraduate civil engineering ( structural option) both in analysis/design and execution civil engineering work

I mixed all the cement used in building this house below with an electric mixing machine. Even if I don't build, I still go up to see things whenever I am free.

Its a project since 2012 and the cement used in the block setting and plastering were mixed and controlled by me.

0ver 150 units of 2$3 bedroom flat with underground parking for 85 cars

Incase you need my service at home grin. I operate an electrical mixing machine good, drive a bobcat (steel loading machine) perfect and i operate a crane good too.


Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by abdulwastecx(m): 11:32pm On May 13, 2016
agarawu23:
thats why i will go with baba mufu grin who grammar and certificate epp? EXPERIENCE AND DAILY PRACTICE is the key to hand work not only what u read or learn. physical practical is the main deal in construction.

there is one man called "jamajama" in an area i live then, you dont need a plan before he will give u what u want. just describe how u want it on the day of construction and this man will give u the best with his tape rule and IQ. he is a bloody illiterate.

Building construction/civil engineering works like a pyramid. You need each member of these pyramid to deliver a good job.

we have the so called professionals, such as architect, civil engineer, quantity surveyor etc ( with minimum of 5 years university education). These people are trained to solve problem from conceptual stage, they need lots of theoretical knowledge than practical know how. It is a fact that they need about 75% theory to 25% practical.
for building construction, they conceive the design (the architect), they make it work by using mathematics, economics and understanding of materials properties (civil eng) that "your baba lati" cannot use, they estimate the cost of construction (QS).

Next in line are technicians' these are well trained personnel with 50/50% knowledge in theory and practical. they are trained to know enough in other to translate professionals designs into reality. The theory they know is for them to be able to understand professionals design and the practical they know is to be able to explain these design to the artisans'. A civil engineer, architect, surveyor with HND or OND are technicians.

We have the artisans; These are the people that do the actual work, these are the mason, brick layer, carpenters, painter, roofer, plumber, electricians etc. These men work based on instruction passed down by the technicians, they are employed not to think or design but to perform task specify by those above. they need all the practical of this world and little theory to understand technical drawings and language.

Note: there are overlaps due to several years of working an artisan may become a technicians, but it is very unlikely for either artisan or technician to become a professional without more formal education.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by AZUH: 11:57pm On May 13, 2016
I don't know why some people will be so wicked . Someone will spend millions of naira to build a house . Just to raise dpc will be the contractor problem. Fantastically corrupt contractors .
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 12:00am On May 14, 2016
abdulwastecx:


Building construction/civil engineering works like a pyramid. You need each member of these pyramid to deliver a good job.

we have the so called professionals, such as architect, civil engineer, quantity surveyor etc ( with minimum of 5 years university education). These people are trained to solve problem from conceptual stage, they need lots of theoretical knowledge than practical know how. It is a fact that they need about 75% theory to 25% practical.
for building construction, they conceive the design (the architect), they make it work by using mathematics, economics and understanding of materials properties (civil eng) that "your baba lati" cannot use, they estimate the cost of construction (QS).

Next in line are technicians' these are well trained personnel with 50/50% knowledge in theory and practical. they are trained to know enough in other to translate professionals designs into reality. The theory they know is for them to be able to understand professionals design and the practical they know is to be able to explain these design to the artisans'. A civil engineer, architect, surveyor with HND or OND are technicians.

We have the artisans; These are the people that do the actual work, these are the mason, brick layer, carpenters, painter, roofer, plumber, electricians etc. These men work based on instruction passed down by the technicians, they are employed to think or design but to perform task specify by those above. they need all the practical of this world and little theory to understand technical drawings and language.

Note: there are overlaps due to several years of working an artisan may become a technicians, but it is very unlikely for either artisan or technician to become a professional without more formal education.

The highlighted confuses me. Are you missing a specific word?

I can now understand why quality of finished houses is rather low in Nigeria.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 12:04am On May 14, 2016
AZUH:
I don't know why some people will be so wicked . Someone will spend millions of naira to build a house . Just to raise dpc will be the contractor problem. Fantastically corrupt contractors .

Read my signature.

Online, I know the builders that I can trust and sleep well at night. Offline, I know none and therefore, I MUST be an embedded part of my construction - no matter how long my construction takes (been accused of laying one block a year grin ).

Were you present during construction? Not that you had to be but just curious. Also, is your builder from here (you don't have to out him).
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by AZUH: 12:13am On May 14, 2016
@egunmojagi, please look at that house on my profile and see if you can do anything to it . Are you a contractor or an agent ? Or money lender ? I don't understand much you said you have contractors who I can trust .i m confuse with that .
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 12:23am On May 14, 2016
AZUH:
@egunmojagi, please look at that house on my profile and see if you can do anything to it . Are you a contractor or an agent ? Or money lender ? I don't understand much you said you have contractors who I can trust .i m confuse with that .

I think you've been given advice on what to do already.

If this were my house, before the rains start in full effect I would get a qualified person on there. Have you pinged AbdulWastecx or Spyder880?
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by okikigsm: 4:38am On May 14, 2016
@egunmojagi pls love the alu window design up there.what is cost?
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by agarawu23(m): 4:41am On May 14, 2016
erico2k2:

Car biz??
bro invest your cash in real estate instead, take it form ME a person who did car Biz for 12 years.
your case is different from mine. My dad (vice chairman car dealers in ibadan) has 25 years of experience in car biz and he has been handling both good and bad side of it. I am a jack of all business in as much it will fetch me good profit.

You have been absent with your noise maker list o. cheesy

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by agarawu23(m): 4:46am On May 14, 2016
EgunMogaji:


Read my signature.

Online, I know the builders that I can trust and sleep well at night. Offline, I know none and therefore, I MUST be an embedded part of my construction - no matter how long my construction takes (been accused of laying one block a year grin ).

Were you present during construction? Not that you had to be but just curious. Also, is your builder from here (you don't have to out him).
make una no kill me with laugh for here grin

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by agarawu23(m): 4:50am On May 14, 2016
abdulwastecx:


Building construction/civil engineering works like a pyramid. You need each member of these pyramid to deliver a good job.

we have the so called professionals, such as architect, civil engineer, quantity surveyor etc ( with minimum of 5 years university education). These people are trained to solve problem from conceptual stage, they need lots of theoretical knowledge than practical know how. It is a fact that they need about 75% theory to 25% practical.
for building construction, they conceive the design (the architect), they make it work by using mathematics, economics and understanding of materials properties (civil eng) that "your baba lati" cannot use, they estimate the cost of construction (QS).

Next in line are technicians' these are well trained personnel with 50/50% knowledge in theory and practical. they are trained to know enough in other to translate professionals designs into reality. The theory they know is for them to be able to understand professionals design and the practical they know is to be able to explain these design to the artisans'. A civil engineer, architect, surveyor with HND or OND are technicians.

We have the artisans; These are the people that do the actual work, these are the mason, brick layer, carpenters, painter, roofer, plumber, electricians etc. These men work based on instruction passed down by the technicians, they are employed to think or design but to perform task specify by those above. they need all the practical of this world and little theory to understand technical drawings and language.

Note: there are overlaps due to several years of working an artisan may become a technicians, but it is very unlikely for either artisan or technician to become a professional without more formal education.
baba, I can't argue with u, you made some point (even if I am frowning at them).
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by agarawu23(m): 5:08am On May 14, 2016
abdulwastecx:
[color=#006600]. Your bloody illiterate boss may be know how to build (due to experience ) but know jack about civil engineering and cannot rubbish even an undergraduate civil engineering ( structural option) both in analysis/design and execution civil engineering work
lekki homes that collapsed recently were built by the so called civil engineers who spent years in university learning about building construction.

Company's that are giving my boss contract know the road to get civil engineers but they dont look at their side. (He has his records). The building I showed is just "one" of his job i fully work with. He has a lot of on going jobs even bigger than those I upload here and in neighbooring countries. NO CIVIL ENGINEER can rubbish him when it comes to construction even if they have PhD.

Experience is the best teacher sir

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by ceelog(m): 5:48am On May 14, 2016
EgunMogaji:


I'll just tell you the design that I have for my garage apartment.

The ceiling is 12 coaches high which is about 12 feet, that's pretty high. I'm not using POP so I'll loose very minimal height for the actual finished ceiling. Heat trap will not be an issue because there will be a solar powered whole house fan that vents directly into the attic. There will be two gable vents on either side of the attic wall where the hot air should naturally escape.

I'm also using casement windows that have projections at the top. These type of window will allow me to at least crack open the projected windows during inclement weather or at night. That in conjunction with the whole house fan will make sure that air is moved throughout the house.

You should go for whatever design, style that floats your boat. It's your house and you won't be asking anybody to finance it. If you get a good Architect and a builder that doesn't think he knows what you need more than you then you'll be okay.

Costwise, windows design is the same price, whole house fan is maybe $150 and gable vents can be constructed by local artisan. I talked to my local welder and he thinks he can make the whole house fan. My stuff might look expensive but they really aren't. I just have a knack to thinking outside of the box, and I take my sweet time.

What do u mean by solar whole house fan? One big fan or more than one fan? Any pics?

I love your practical window concept...most guyz use windows with that upper part fixed.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by abdulwastecx(m): 7:31am On May 14, 2016
EgunMogaji:


The highlighted confuses me. Are you missing a specific word?

I can now understand why quality of finished houses is rather low in Nigeria.

Yes sir 'NOT'

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by abdulwastecx(m): 7:51am On May 14, 2016
agarawu23:
lekki homes that collapsed recently were built by the so called civil engineers who spent years in university learning about building construction.

Company's that are giving my boss contract know the road to get civil engineers but they dont look at their side. (He has his records). The building I showed is just "one" of his job i fully work with. He has a lot of on going jobs even bigger than those I upload here and in neighbooring countries. NO CIVIL ENGINEER can rubbish him when it comes to construction even if they have PhD.

Experience is the best teacher sir

Leki homes structural collapsed is a case of negligence or lack of proper engineering judgements.

Let me give you an example. An engineer may design a house using an average wind speed of 45m/s, this speed may be arrived at by looking at ten years wind behavior of the area where the building is to be located. After the completion of the house, suppose an unusual wind of 150m/s was now experienced due to unusual natural phenomenon. Would you blame the engineer for the resulting structural collapsed?

Engineers are not magicians but are people equipped with enough mathematics to make guess based on probability of something happening.

I don't know your boss but without basic knowledge of structural design, analysis, materials science, concrete technology, Geotechnics, hydraulics, soil mechanics etc... He is just an experienced artisan doing whatever design giving to him the case may be.

As for the building you uploaded above, I don't see anything special about it. As a matter of fact if it is in Tunisia, the design will be done by a competent consultancy film and not your boss. The construction work can be carried out by any artisans under proper supervision.

I was an artisan some years back, I was a carpenter, my father is a carpenter, I have been doing carpentry all my adult days. Then I used to think that we don't need engineer, building technologist or architect to do our job but the truth is we need them for complex job.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 8:26am On May 14, 2016
abdulwastecx:


Yes sir 'NOT'

That's what I thought but didn't want to assume.

Thanks.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 8:34am On May 14, 2016
ceelog:


What do u mean by solar whole house fan? One big fan or more than one fan? Any pics?

I love your practical window concept...most guyz use windows with that upper part fixed.


If you look at most older homes, even in the villages with wooden windows, most of them have that design with opening projected part.hot air rises, so you'll be able to vent "some" out naturally. And the casement lower windows offers 100% opening versus only 50% opening for the sliding ones.

Here are some pictures of the wholehouse fan, it's an extremely efficient and low-cost setup. I've used it here in the US and the difference it makes is outstanding.

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