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Re: Purgatory....Real Or Fairytale? {updated} by laribari(m): 12:28am On May 15, 2016 |
joey150: ![]() I don't get you? Agree what? So you think I am clueless or cannot open up scriptures? I don't read out of context. I will look and we will talk because the scriptures he put out are many. You can be rest assured I will respond wella and upright too. But first, let him tell us if purgatory is real or not. ![]() |
Re: Purgatory....Real Or Fairytale? {updated} by joey150(m): 12:29am On May 15, 2016 |
analice107:the Jewish book then contained maccabees and christ and the apostles used the traditional jewish books then. You can google search again if you like. I am still expecting your funny twist to the other part of the post that you quoted.. |
Re: Purgatory....Real Or Fairytale? {updated} by DoctorAlien(m): 12:30am On May 15, 2016 |
joey150: The Christians were instructed to hold on to traditions handed down to them: was purgatory one of them? |
Re: Purgatory....Real Or Fairytale? {updated} by joey150(m): 12:31am On May 15, 2016 |
laribari:Hahah i trust you mr.. And your comic relief is well needed here. I aslo tagged you in a post. And am waiting for your epic twist. As i always know you will never let me down. Cheers bro! |
Re: Purgatory....Real Or Fairytale? {updated} by joey150(m): 12:32am On May 15, 2016 |
DoctorAlien:so are we on the same part thay traditions where indeed handed down to them? Traditions outside the scriptures? Yes or no! |
Re: Purgatory....Real Or Fairytale? {updated} by DoctorAlien(m): 12:39am On May 15, 2016 |
joey150: "His divine power has given us EVERYTHING we need for a godly life..." 2 Pet. 1:3 All you need to make Heaven is in the Bible. It has been given unto you! You don't need lies and fables of men to make Heaven. The Bible is enough. |
Re: Purgatory....Real Or Fairytale? {updated} by laribari(m): 12:41am On May 15, 2016 |
joey150: Thank God you know. Don't tag me, follow me sef if you like. You always make me smile when I'm typing. OK seriously now! Please finish up. Just tell me where purgatory is. Why is it so hard? Prove it that everything u stand for here makes sense. I will also wait for Ayo777 to talk on purgatory before we can talk better. This is the topic of the thread and I wanna see his view. He seems to know scriptures and I like that but hopefully he is not quoting out of context. Sometimes u have to read the whole chapter to grasp what a verse is saying and that is where u always fail, hopefully I can learn from Ayo777 because I haven't learnt a thing from u since because you are refusing to show me ur claim by scriptures. Purgatory!! Lol |
Re: Purgatory....Real Or Fairytale? {updated} by analice107: 1:00am On May 15, 2016 |
joey150:Which one was that, i cant remember. pls remind me. |
Re: Purgatory....Real Or Fairytale? {updated} by analice107: 1:09am On May 15, 2016 |
joey150:Maccabees are books written by a man called Maccabeus about 100BC. There are actually two. like Ist and 2nd. But they have no links with the characters or prohecies of the Bible. The Old Testament books didn't referenced them and vise versa. It you read the regular Bible, you'd notice a sync between them. Like an invisible line stringing them together, but not with this Maccabeus books. He wasn't a prophet, he wasn't a priest, not shepherd, noting. I really don't know. |
Re: Purgatory....Real Or Fairytale? {updated} by joey150(m): 1:10am On May 15, 2016 |
This answer many questions.. A very wide range. Please do read. I got it off an online buddy of mine. Very enlightened and insightful guy. "Since when did the bible became the only rule of authority ? Where did Jesus and His apostles say "sola scriptura" ? Which perverted fundamentalist bible version is your authority ? The Canon of Scriptures was defined, codified and canonized by the Catholic Church in the 4th century which is nowhere instructed by Christ and His apostles ! The Holy Bible itself is unbiblical because it came from the Sacred Tradition of the church not from the unbiblical sola scriptura. Now why are you using the Holy Bible that the Catholic Church decided, closed and published ? The Trinity, Nicene Creed, The Latin Vulgate (Holy Bible) / Canon of Scriptures, Immaculate Conception, Assumption were all defined by the Catholic Church to fight and dispel heresies because they are all ancient beliefs held by the early church (fathers). 2 THESSALONIANS 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle. Intercession / Mediation / Praying to saints and angels are all in scripture and Sacred Tradition of the Catholic Church. We pray to Mary because she is not only a saint which Christ shares His humanity but she is also the Ark of the New Testament. Saints are in heaven that can pray for us, just like human beings. REVELATION 1:4 – this verse shows that angels (here, the seven spirits) give grace and peace. Because grace and peace only come from God, the angels are acting as mediators for God. [ John to the seven churches which are in Asia. Grace be unto you and peace from him that is, and that was, and that is to come, and from the seven spirits which are before his throne, ] REVELATION 8:3-5 3 And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne. 4 And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand. 5 And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake. [ The martyred saints in heaven cry out in a loud voice to God to avenge their blood “on those who dwell upon the earth.” These are “imprecatory prayers,” which are pleas for God’s judgment (see similar prayers in Psalm 35:1; 59:1-17; 139:19; Jer. 11:20; 15:15; 18:19; Zech.1:12-13). This means that the saints in heaven are praying for those on earth, and God answers their prayers (Rev. 8:1-5). We, therefore, ask for their intercession and protection. ] REVELATION 5:8 And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. [ The prayers of the saints (on heaven and earth) are presented to God by the angels and saints in heaven. This shows that the saints intercede on our behalf before God, and it also demonstrates that our prayers on earth are united with their prayers in heaven. (The “24 elders” are said to refer to the people of God – perhaps the 12 tribes and 12 apostles - and the “four living creatures” are said to refer to the angels.) ] [ And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.] REVELATION 6:9-10 Souls of martyrs are praying before God: "Holy faithful Master, how much longer will you wait before you pass sentence and take vengeance for our death on the inhabitants of the earth." . If the martyrs were dead, how can they pray like this before God? During the Transfiguration, Moses and Elias were talking with Jesus as seen by the apostles. [ Rev. 6:9-11 – Rev. 8:3-4 – in heaven an angel mingles incense with the prayers of all the saints on the golden altar before the throne of God, and the smoke of the incense rose with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God. These prayers “rise up” before God and elicit various kinds of earthly activity. God responds to his children’s requests, whether made by his children on earth or in heaven. ] MATTHEW 17:3 How can they speak to Jesus if they are dead or just sleeping? Several verses support the doctrine of praying for the dead like the story of Lazarus and the rich man who even asked God to allow him to visit his five brethren on earth who were still alive. After death, we are alive before God. TOBIT 12:12 Angel presents Tobit and Sarah's prayer to God." thank you alray for this! Cuts across various answers from sola scriptura to saints and intercession. You use the same bible the catholics gave you..yet you accuse us of heresy. Isnt that plain stupidity?! A bible that is a product of oral tradition. I am a proud catholic and i will defend my faith whole heartedly. Even if that be the only good i do on earth. I will defend God's own church! Where are my bible verse lovers..this is a little bit off point. But the beginning addresses the bible only syndrome here. And the other parts are just wholesome knowledge. Analice107 Laribari Ayoku777 Come and tell me why you accepted our bible?? Because it should be heresy according to you too. Syncan this is a good read too. |
Re: Purgatory....Real Or Fairytale? {updated} by DoctorAlien(m): 1:14am On May 15, 2016 |
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" 2 Tim. 3:16 |
Re: Purgatory....Real Or Fairytale? {updated} by joey150(m): 1:14am On May 15, 2016 |
analice107:The part where Jesus talked about prison. I mentioned you there. Same place you saw this maccabees talk. I hope you all are not keeping mute in parts where you seem to have noting to lash at me against with?! |
Re: Purgatory....Real Or Fairytale? {updated} by DoctorAlien(m): 1:14am On May 15, 2016 |
The lies and fables of men are not profitable for doctrine. |
Re: Purgatory....Real Or Fairytale? {updated} by joey150(m): 1:15am On May 15, 2016 |
DoctorAlien: My brother.. Keep going in circles as usual. We don discuss all this ones yesterday. Go and read previous pages ![]() |
Re: Purgatory....Real Or Fairytale? {updated} by joey150(m): 1:16am On May 15, 2016 |
DoctorAlien:and yet you quote from the lies we gave you?? Hahahaha.. What a joke 1 Like |
Re: Purgatory....Real Or Fairytale? {updated} by ayoku777(m): 4:41am On May 15, 2016 |
joey150: I was typing a reply to your post and questions, when I thought to myself that, "How do I use the scriptures to change the mind of someone who believes his church is superior to the bible?" That was when I knew that my explanations and quoting of bible verses will be a futile endeavour. You need more of prayers. And I say this with all humility and sincere sense of concern for you. Now; that being said, let me add. Just because God in His grace used the Roman catholic church to compile the texts of the gospels and the epistles of the apostles into a single book doesn't make them an authority on the interpretation of the scriptures. For them to presume that would be a great self-delusion on their part. God also used the pharisees, the sadducees and teachers of the law to painstakingly rewrite, compile and preserve the old testament texts of the law, the prophets and the psalm into scrolls. Yet that did not make them spiritual authorities on the interpretation of those texts. Infact no one misinterpreted and wrongly used those scriptures more than the pharisees themselves, so much so that when Jesus, the very Messiah that was talked about in all their law and the prophets came, they rejected Him. The same thing goes for the roman catholic church in many regards. Trying to make themselves authorities on the interpretation of the scriptures because God used them to compile it into a book is nothing short of self-delusion. They also have misinterpreted and wrongly used the scriptures of truth, not to talk of adding human traditions and man-made philosophies and calling them church doctrine and even elevating their tradition above the written word (same thing Jesus rebuked the pharisees for -making the word of God of no effect through their traditions). And when the roman catholic interpretations are challenged, they claim, we compiled the bible so we should know better. Seriously? And when their claim can't even be found anywhere in the written word, they go overboard to say the catholic church is superior to the bible and so their claim stands. Say what? I am someone that loves to debate with the use of the scriptures, quoting bible verses to buttress and emboss my arguments. But of what use would all my typing be to someone who believes and is fully convinced that his church is what defines truth and not the word of God? I would just be straining my thumb for nothing. Honestly, it is prayers that can do the job of renewing the mind at this point, not scriptural debates that keep us going in circles. Shalom! |
Re: Purgatory....Real Or Fairytale? {updated} by ayoku777(m): 7:37am On May 15, 2016 |
laribari: Purgatory and praying through Mary or through saints etc are heresis. They are inconsistent with the truth revealed in the scriptures. One would need to give twisted interpretation to clear verses of the bible or smuggle in extra-scriptural books to justify those roman catholic doctrines and traditions. Purgatory is not in the bible, neither is there anywhere in scripture we are admonished to solicit for the intercession of saints in heaven. Shalom! |
Re: Purgatory....Real Or Fairytale? {updated} by Syncan(m): 7:45am On May 15, 2016 |
laribari: Hahahaha, someone just destroyed all your teachings that "once saved always saved", which you have been boasting up and down here, I purposely allowed him to do so. And all you can do is ask him about purgatory, hahahaha. Such a comedian I haven't seen ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: Purgatory....Real Or Fairytale? {updated} by Syncan(m): 7:49am On May 15, 2016 |
DoctorAlien: "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment..." Heb.9:27 Any man who dies, righteous or sinner will be judged. |
Re: Purgatory....Real Or Fairytale? {updated} by Syncan(m): 7:55am On May 15, 2016 |
laribari: Stop telling lies against us, our teachings are public knowledge. We are saved by grace. Yet as long as you are here on earth, you must cooperate with grace, that's what is called good works. "Work out your salvation in fear and trembling". Phill.2:12 |
Re: Purgatory....Real Or Fairytale? {updated} by Syncan(m): 8:12am On May 15, 2016 |
DoctorAlien: Yes "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment..." Heb.9:27 scripture is very clear there. In 1Cor3:13 St.paul made it clear that "Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it...". Did you read that? St. Paul says "Every man". Even in Matt.25:31-46, is it not the righteous that will be at the right hand of the judgement throne? How can they not be judged? Going by your assumption, the people of Nineveh would not pass through judgement, queen of sheba will not pass through God's judgement, since according to Jesus, they will "rise in judgement against this generation" Matt.12 41-42. Please think again. |
Re: Purgatory....Real Or Fairytale? {updated} by joey150(m): 11:22am On May 15, 2016 |
ayoku777:You are all product of martin Luther's imagination. You challenge catholic teachings..you think if the church had something to hide they would not remove it from the bible? Today in the church we celebtare the Penecost. The holy spirit has alwayd guided the church in her teachings. To trust that from oral traditions and letters the church compiled the bible. To turn back and say you cannot trust that same church's teaching because you cannot find that teaching is ridiculous at best. Even when it is purely there. This was what made the church excommunicate marthin luther .and he went on to form the protestant faith and from then you people have never stopped splitting. Where you interperete bible the way it suits you. The catholic church under the guidiance of the holy spirit is still waxing strong. If you say you are a sola scriptura supporter. You better denounce the bible to. Because alot of oral traditions where included by the same catholic church in the bible. As it is a pure product of oral tradition and letters and epistles collected over the years. The holy spirit contines to subsequently revela truths to the church as it promised. You just joined martin luther the rebel. Who led you all on the path you are now. Like it or not. We hold the truth to most faith in the bible. And there is no catholic teaching that is alien.. All are..i repeat ALL are included in the scripture. So keep reading the bible we compiled for you under the guidance of the holy spirit. Keep reading the oral tradition included in it. And then keep doubting the teachings of the same church. It all makes sense. That is not to say we make things up..each and eveything tjr catholic church does has its biblical backing. And i will show you anyday anytime . Read the part he says JUST BECAUSE GOD CHOSE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. Hahahah. Like God was rolling dice when he did. As that same God also promised through the guidiance of the holy spirit to lead that same church that according to you he "casually" just chose. Keep vindicating us as the one true church. And keep accusing us of heresy. It all makes sense hahaa. I AM JUST TIRED OF YOUR SOLA SCRIPTURA ASSERTION. As it is BASELESS. As we celebrate the pentecost. May the holy spirit continue to guide us in truth. Happy Sunday! Cheers |
Re: Purgatory....Real Or Fairytale? {updated} by joey150(m): 11:33am On May 15, 2016 |
analice107:Stop taking plenty. Martin Luther excluded it and other books from the protestant bible . You should go and ask him why. As he is the founder of your protestant faith. |
Re: Purgatory....Real Or Fairytale? {updated} by joey150(m): 11:55am On May 15, 2016 |
ayoku777:Intercessory Prayer of Saints Rom 15:30 - join me by your prayers to God on my behalf Col 4:3, 1Thess 5:25 - pray for us 2Thess 1:11 - we always pray for you 2Thess 3:1 - finally, brothers, pray for us Eph 6:18-19 - making supplication for all the saints & for me Tob 12:12 - angel presents Tobit & Sarah's prayer to God Ps 148 - David calls upon angels Zech 1:12 - angel intercedes for Jerusalem Mk 12:25, Mt 22:30 - men in heaven are as the angels Rev 5:8 - those in heaven offer prayers of the holy ones to God Mk 12:26-27 - he is God of the living, not of the dead Mk 9:4 - Jesus seen conversing with Elijah & Moses Lk 9:31 - Elijah & Moses aware of earthly events Rev 6:9-11 - martyrs under altar want earthly vindication Heb 12:1 - we are surrounded by a cloud of witnesses Lk 16:19-30 - departed rich man intercedes for brothers Rev 20:4 - saw the souls of those who had been beheaded Wis 3:1-6 - the souls of the just are in the hand of God 2Macc 15:7-16 - the departed Onias & Jeremiah pray for the Jews Jas 5:16 prayers of righteous man 1 Cor. 13:12 - I shall understand fully 1 John 4: 20-21 - whoever loves God must love his brother 1 Cor 12:21 - parts of Christ's Body cannot say to other parts, "I do not need you". Go and ponder on those ones. You protetsatnts should learn how to ask. Martin luther just set you all on a spiral roll. Enough verses for you. Seeing as you love them in excess |
Re: Purgatory....Real Or Fairytale? {updated} by joey150(m): 11:59am On May 15, 2016 |
DoctorAlien:Seeing as you also want enough verses. Ponder on these ones. Purgatory Mt 5:48 - be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect Heb 12:14 - strive for that holiness without which cannot see God Jam 3:2 - we all fall short in many respects Rev 21:27 - nothing unclean shall enter heaven Jam 1:14-15 - when sin reaches maturity gives birth to death 2Sam 12:13-14 - David, though forgiven, still punished for his sin Mt 5:26 - you will not be released until paid last penny Mt 12:32 - sin against Holy Spirit unforgiven in this age or next—where is the next age that sins can be forgiven? In Heaven there is no sin, in Hell there is no forgiveness. Mt 12:36 - account for every idle word on judgment day 2Macc 12:44-46 - atoned for dead to free them from sin 1Cor 3:15 - suffer loss, but saved as through fire 1Pet 3:18-20; 4:6 - Jesus preached to disobedient spirits in prison 1Pet 4:6 The Gospel is read to the dead 2Tim 1:16-18 - Paul prays for dead friend Onesiphorus 1Cor 15:29-30 - Paul mentions people baptizing for the dead Peace be with your spirit! |
Re: Purgatory....Real Or Fairytale? {updated} by analice107: 12:12pm On May 15, 2016 |
joey150:Joey If i start now, you would say am harassing you. lol. Was Matin Luther the deciding factor in the Council of Nacea which determined which book had divine revelations so should be added? Was he even in the committee? Guy, Have you read those books? I have them here as speak with you. I Have read those books sir, there's nothing revelational about them. Nothing Prophetic. You said Jesus read those books, and i asked how you knew, How i know Jesus never read those books is, Neither He nor His Apostles quoted or made references to them. Read the Knew Testament, Jesus quoted free from the old testament books, and made references to Prophets and their prophecies. The man Maccabeus never prophesied any thing, no other Bible writer is similar to him. His writing are all about his war exploits. Do you know the criteria used to select the books? |
Re: Purgatory....Real Or Fairytale? {updated} by Nobody: 12:16pm On May 15, 2016 |
@joey150 may God continue to bless you for your efforts in teaching the faith and spreading the word |
Re: Purgatory....Real Or Fairytale? {updated} by analice107: 1:05pm On May 15, 2016 |
[quote author=joey150 post=45629765]This answer many questions.. A very wide range. Please do read. I got it off an online buddy of mine. Very enlightened and insightful guy. "Since when did the bible became the only rule of authority ? Where did Jesus and His apostles say "sola scriptura" ? Which perverted fundamentalist bible version is your authority ? The Canon of Scriptures was defined, codified and canonized by the Catholic Church in the 4th century which is nowhere instructed by Christ and His apostles ! The Holy Bible itself is unbiblical because it came from the Sacred Tradition of the church not from the unbiblical sola scriptura. Now why are you using the Holy Bible that the Catholic Church decided, closed and published ? The Trinity, Nicene Creed, The Latin Vulgate (Holy Bible) / Canon of Scriptures, Immaculate Conception, Assumption were all defined by the Catholic Church to fight and dispel heresies because they are all ancient beliefs held by the early church (fathers). 2 THESSALONIANS 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle. Intercession / Mediation / Praying to saints and angels are all in scripture and Sacred Tradition of the Catholic Church. We pray to Mary because she is not only a saint which Christ shares His humanity but she is also the Ark of the New Testament. Saints are in heaven that can pray for us, just like human beings. REVELATION 1:4 – this verse shows that angels (here, the seven spirits) give grace and peace. Because grace and peace only come from God, the angels are acting as mediators for God. [ John to the seven churches which are in Asia. Grace be unto you and peace from him that is, and that was, and that is to come, and from the seven spirits which are before his throne, ] REVELATION 8:3-5 3 And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne. 4 And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand. 5 And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake. [ The martyred saints in heaven cry out in a loud voice to God to avenge their blood “on those who dwell upon the earth.” These are “imprecatory prayers,” which are pleas for God’s judgment (see similar prayers in Psalm 35:1; 59:1-17; 139:19; Jer. 11:20; 15:15; 18:19; Zech.1:12-13). This means that the saints in heaven are praying for those on earth, and God answers their prayers (Rev. 8:1-5). We, therefore, ask for their intercession and protection. ] REVELATION 5:8 And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. [ The prayers of the saints (on heaven and earth) are presented to God by the angels and saints in heaven. This shows that the saints intercede on our behalf before God, and it also demonstrates that our prayers on earth are united with their prayers in heaven. (The “24 elders” are said to refer to the people of God – perhaps the 12 tribes and 12 apostles - and the “four living creatures” are said to refer to the angels.) ] [ And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.] REVELATION 6:9-10 Souls of martyrs are praying before God: "Holy faithful Master, how much longer will you wait before you pass sentence and take vengeance for our death on the inhabitants of the earth." . If the martyrs were dead, how can they pray like this before God? During the Transfiguration, Moses and Elias were talking with Jesus as seen by the apostles. [ Rev. 6:9-11 – Rev. 8:3-4 – in heaven an angel mingles incense with the prayers of all the saints on the golden altar before the throne of God, and the smoke of the incense rose with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God. These prayers “rise up” before God and elicit various kinds of earthly activity. God responds to his children’s requests, whether made by his children on earth or in heaven. ] MATTHEW 17:3 How can they speak to Jesus if they are dead or just sleeping? Several verses support the doctrine of praying for the dead like the story of Lazarus and the rich man who even asked God to allow him to visit his five brethren on earth who were still alive. After death, we are alive before God. TOBIT 12:12 Angel presents Tobit and Sarah's prayer to God." thank you alray for this! Cuts across various answers from sola scriptura to saints and intercession. You use the same bible the catholics gave you..yet you accuse us of heresy. Isnt that plain stupidity?! A bible that is a product of oral tradition. I am a proud catholic and i will defend my faith whole heartedly. Even if that be the only good i do on earth. I will defend God's own church! Where are my bible verse lovers..this is a little bit off point. But the beginning addresses the bible only syndrome here. And the other parts are just wholesome knowledge. Analice107 Laribari Ayoku777 Come and tell me why you accepted our bible?? Because it should be heresy according to you too. Syncan this is a good read too.[/person I will need you to clarify this point "OUR BIBLE", Which one is your Bible? The rant up there is the rant of a disobedient person who is bent of going his own way. This is what the Bible says about the matter the man above raised, but of course, he wont accept it. John 21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did. If they should be all recorded one by one [in detail], I suppose that even the world itself could not contain (have room for) the books that would be written. Revelation 22:18-20 I [personally solemnly] warn everyone who listens to the statements of the prophecy [the predictions and the consolations and admonitions pertaining to them] in this book: If anyone shall add anything to them, God will add and lay upon him the plagues (the afflictions and the calamities) that are recorded and described in this book. And if anyone cancels or takes away from the statements of the book of this prophecy [these predictions relating to Christ’s kingdom and its speedy triumph, together with the consolations and admonitions or warnings pertaining to them], God will cancel and take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the city of holiness (purity and hallowedness), which are described and promised in this book. He Who gives this warning and affirms and testifies to these things says, Yes (it is true). [Surely] I am coming quickly (swiftly, speedily). Amen (so let it be)! Yes, come, Lord Jesus! Anyone who goes off this track, is on his own. Am a christian, a follower of the teachings of Christ only. |
Re: Purgatory....Real Or Fairytale? {updated} by joey150(m): 1:22pm On May 15, 2016 |
analice107:which council of nacea are you talking about? Maccabees was deemed fit to be in the scriptures by the catholic council. Which then put together the books of the bible. After the 1st split..instigated by martin luther he decided that those books be removed in subsequent protestant bible.. It was all his doing. Thats why you should relate your problems to him. As he started the division we have now.. Its a long story ana..i do not want to go into that.. I mentioned something about Jesus talking about prison on the sermon on the mount. In this same post where i mentioned maccabees. You haven't responded. I expect you to oppose it as you always do. But what i really want to hear is your reason as usual. Happy Sunday! And happy pentecost too. |
Re: Purgatory....Real Or Fairytale? {updated} by joey150(m): 1:25pm On May 15, 2016 |
[quote author=analice107 post=45640735][/quote] stop quoting that revelation verse. I have educated even ayoku777 about it. That verse explicitly refers to only revelation. It explicitly mentioned BOOK. even at that.the bible didnt exist then as a book that we have it as today. So it could have never have referred to the bible. Dont you see IN THIS BOOK.. Meaning in thr book of revelations. Una don turn am to bible sharply.nawa. bible that didnt exist then That refers to JUST the book of revelations. Pleae stop twisting things here. Cheers! |
Re: Purgatory....Real Or Fairytale? {updated} by joey150(m): 1:27pm On May 15, 2016 |
Patheos:Thank you very much brother. May God continue to strengthen and renew our faith. .Happy pentecost sunday. |
Re: Purgatory....Real Or Fairytale? {updated} by laribari(m): 2:01pm On May 15, 2016 |
[quote author=analice107 post=45640735][/quote] I will talk soon, just closed from church. |
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