Syncan:




Hahahaha, someone just destroyed ll your teachings that "oodoesnot aved always saved", which you have been boasting up and down here, I purposely allowed him to do so. And all you can do is ask him about purgatory, hahahaha. Such a comedian I haven't seen

You will be confounded shortly. I just got back from church that was why I haven't been here.

You haven't learnt a thing do you? So you think Ayo777 is correct?

I'm wiser than you obviously and I wanted you to see that even the man you take as ur scriptural bail out does not support your false church and purgatory because he can't tell me it exists if he really knows God word.

So why are you so glorified about what he is saying?

I must wait and he will tell me first about purgatory (his own view) so you can for once see your foolishness through someone you are praising. I asked him about that because i'm wiser than you are.

Like I said he is wrong and I will prove him scripture wise. Am i not the one telling you now THAT HIS VIEW IS WRONG in terms of salvation? I didn't hide or mix words when i said he's wrong. We will talk about it.

But first he has to pleaaassssssseeee educate us about purgatory.

I just got back from church like i said, so i will be back shortly.

Always wait for the person you are discussing with you say o.k, i am out before you pass conclusion. I didn't run when i know he is wrong.

I am prepared and fully loaded with the word and we will both learn something meaningful off each other, while you just keep quiet and learn.

I'm coming back shortly

Syncan:


The washing effect of the blood of the lamb is felt, even by the "spirits in prison". 1Pet.3:19

Amen

analice107:

Joey If i start now, you would say am harassing you. lol. Was Matin Luther the deciding factor in the Council of Nacea which determined which book had divine revelations so should be added?
Was he even in the committee?
Guy, Have you read those books? I have them here as speak with you. I Have read those books sir, there's nothing revelational about them. Nothing Prophetic.

You said Jesus read those books, and i asked how you knew, How i know Jesus never read those books is, Neither He nor His Apostles quoted or made references to them. Read the Knew Testament, Jesus quoted free from the old testament books, and made references to Prophets and their prophecies. The man Maccabeus never prophesied any thing, no other Bible writer is similar to him. His writing are all about his war exploits.
Do you know the criteria used to select the books?

You see that's the problem, you've not asked yourself, how they come about these books in the bible. The early Christians held several books as inspired in the first four centuries of the Church, these includes books such as seven letters of Ignatius, the Didache, and The Shepherd. It was not until later that the Catholic Bishops sat, and through an Intense process decided on those to be included as Canons. As per the ones you mentioned appearing in the new testament as references, there are quite a number. I will just name these:

2 Maccabees 7 ----Quoted by St. Paul in Heb 11:35.

Judith 8:14--Quoted by St. Paul in 1Cor.2:10

Judith 8:25--Quoted by St. Paul in 1 cor 10:10.

Syncan:


You see that's the problem, you've not asked yourself, how they come about these books in the bible. The early Christians held several books as inspired in the first four centuries of the Church, these includes books such as seven letters of Ignatius, the Didache, and The Shepherd. It was not until later that the Catholic Bishops sat, and through an Intense process decided on those to be included as Canons. As per the ones you mentioned appearing in the new testament as references, there are quite a number. I will just name these:

2 Maccabees 7 ----Quoted by St. Paul in Heb 11:35.

Judith 8:14--Quoted by St. Paul in 1Cor.2:10

Judith 8:25--Quoted by St. Paul in 1 cor 10:10.

I just edited my post, God and read while we wait for Ayo777.

laribari:


You will be confounded shortly. I just got back from church that was why I haven't been here.

You haven't learnt a thing do you? So you think Ayo777 is correct?

I'm wiser than you obviously, and I wanted you to see the man you take as ur scriptural bail out does not support your false church and purgatory?

So why are you so glorified about what he is saying?

Like I said he is wrong and I wil prove him.

I'm coming back shortly

I hope you know that we are here just to determine truth and not to win a prize. Stop telling lies laribari, please na. When someone writes what is true I agree, when he writes what is not true I disagree. The church, the pillar and ground of truth is my guide and not any man. Check back and see where I disagreed with him, even before agreeing with him next. I quoted him and wrote the below :

Syncan:


All he wrote there are in agreement with scripture, no catholic teaching is contrary to scripture. Problem is, when you now are ready to excuse James and the apostles for acting by the spirit of scriptures, you demand that their successors act by the letters of scripture. When he calls Mary mother of Jesus, in accordance to scriptures, another asks for scriptural backing where Jesus called her Mother. That is the problem you have. Read further same passage of acts 15, and tell me where James saw in the scripture the letters " Circumcision is not needed to make the gentiles God's adopted children". And talking about the church, the pillar and ground of truth, Have you found it? Pray let's know, and don't tell me its the Christian community, for the Church must be one fold, teach with authority and cannot teach error.

Please laribari, for your sake stop telling lies, you are not doing God any favor.

joey150:
educate me about the "unofficial churches" .
you people never cease to amaze me.

all the hate and the church still has nore faithfuls than all your denominations put together.

remember what Jesus said,nothing shall prevail against it.
not even the trying 16th century when the devil entered the church,and through the best way to destroy it was from within.

anyway educate me still. am always open to new ideas.

Is Christianity a religion of numbers?

Was the declaration CHRIST made on Peter meant for the Catholic Church or for Christianity in general?

Or are you standing on the ridiculous claim by the church that the Pope is the direct successor of Peter?
Hmmm! Look, focus on salvation and save yourself from denominational bondage.

postmann:



Is Christianity a religion of numbers?

Was the declaration CHRIST made on Peter meant for the Catholic Church on Christianity in general?

Or are you standing on the ridiculous claim by the church that the Pope is the direct successor of Peter?
Hmmm! Look, focus on salvation and save yourself from denominational bondage.

The declaration of Christ on Peter is to the Church that has Peter as the shepherd and to His successors. Does your church make any claim of link with Peter? It is not Christianity in general, else people will not be telling their fellow Christians that they are going to hell due to their doctrines. So many doctrines in Christianity, it cannot all be from the Holy Spirit, He is not an author of confusion. The Church Instituted by Christ cannot be overcome by the gates of Hell. He is focused on his salvation, you are the one that won't let him be.

laribari:


I just edited my post, God and read while we wait for Ayo777.

You have started again, editing posts already written, well I have quoted you and responded. Stop being childishly evasive, he has no business educating you about purgatory, he doesn't know about it either, I am here to do that, only you need to humble your self and learn.

Syncan:



You have started again, editing posts already written, well I have quoted you and responded. Stop being childishly evasive, he has no business educating you about purgatory, he doesn't know about it either, I am here to do that, only you need to humble your self and learn.

Sorry no vex, i nor wan send you message twice. The thing is i dey rush to respond because my network (MTN) doesn't help.

You are here to teach us about purgatory? logically or scripturally? I'm really willing to learn..

The honest truth here is that you are the one acting childish..

How can you tell me that someone that you so praise for knowing scriptures cannot know about purgatory must he must know about salvation?

where is fairness in your word?

analice107:

Maccabees are books written by a man called Maccabeus about 100BC. There are actually two. like Ist and 2nd. But they have no links with the characters or prohecies of the Bible. The Old Testament books didn't referenced them and vise versa.
It you read the regular Bible, you'd notice a sync between them. Like an invisible line stringing them together, but not with this Maccabeus books. He wasn't a prophet, he wasn't a priest, not shepherd, noting.
I really don't know.

do u know Bible scholars agree that Maccabees and Daniel were written about the same time? rid it and see what it fulfils

laribari:


Sorry no vex, i nor wan send you message twice. The thing is i dey rush to respond because my network (MTN) doesn't help.

You are here to teach us about purgatory? logically or scripturally? I'm really willing to learn..

The honest truth here is that you are the one acting childish..

How can you tell me that someone that you so praise for knowing scriptures cannot know about purgatory must he must know about salvation?

where is fairness in your word?

My goodness! Please who made the post below, and to whom?

laribari:

Finally, someone that knows the scriptures but before we go further please I need you your view on the below....

Syncan:



My goodness! Please who made the post below, and to whom?

My Lord!! do you understand English? What does that mean now?

Didn't you say he has rubbished all my teachings because he posted so much about salvation? You accredited him that he knows the word of God and so why will he not know about purgatory?

what is wrong in what i said?



Didn't you praise him for opposing what i said that he is correct and when it comes to your own view about purgatory then he has to be wrong.


My question again is this ............................... why will he know something that deep and technical in the scriptures (since you feel he is correct, even though i know he is not) and will not know something as simple as purgatory.

Purgatory is not complicated the way you guys are saying it, it's just that it is wrong and can't be proven biblically.

Syncan:




Hahahaha, someone just destroyed all your teachings that "once saved always saved", which you have been boasting up and down here, I purposely allowed him to do so. And all you can do is ask him about purgatory, hahahaha. Such a comedian I haven't seen

see what you said n the quote...................... if he truly know the scriptures and can destroy my teachers because i don't teach vain, then he has to know something about purgatory.

the thing with you is that you want me to accept your view by force and u dont have evidence. i show you what i teach

Ubenedictus:
do u know Bible scholars agree that Maccabees and Daniel were written about the same time? rid it and see what it fulfils

Ube, when it was written is not in question. My query is that, why is there no reference? It didn't reference any book of the Bible, and no Bible Book referenced it. No prophecy, no revelation. Its all about Maccabeus's War exploits. I have it here.
Now that you Mention Daniel, Do you know that the Version of that book of Daniel is different from the one in the Bible?
e.g, The reason Daniel was thrown into the Lions Den, is a different reason all together there.
In the Bible Daniel stayed just a night in the Lions Den, in this your book, Daniel spent 5 days in the Den, and Jews coming all the way from Jerusalem at night to sneak food to him in the Den.
Do you know that their Esther is a totally different Esther from the Bible's Esther?
My dear, the books has no iota of revelations in them.

SYNCAN.........

let me say this before hand so that you don't say i ran away oo.

i will be off till like 6 or 7, i need to prepare some stuff for office tomorrow

I will take any mention or comments when i get back, especially if Ayo777 has responded to the purgatory question i asked him. It is not a condition, i just wanna learn his view on that.

GO BACK TO THE FIRST LINE OF HIS POST TO ME. Before he started, he said i think.......

usually, my view is that when you think or feel that something should be like this or that, that doesn't mean it is correct or has to be so all the time. I do not think he is wrong, i know so.

I have alot to show him by the same scriptures he brought out as evidence for his reason and you (Syncan) will be amazed by the responses i will make to him. I'm not a novice in God word or read out of context.

I am fully prepared, don't worry.

meanwhile, let me rush to finish the things i must do first.

postmann:



Is Christianity a religion of numbers?

Was the declaration CHRIST made on Peter meant for the Catholic Church on Christianity in general?

Or are you standing on the ridiculous claim by the church that the Pope is the direct successor of Peter?
Hmmm! Look, focus on salvation and save yourself from denominational bondage.

it is only ridiculous to you protestants. The apostles always upheld the importance of rhe church. It is because of what happened over the years that we have every tom dick and harry.holding the bible and leading people astray.
The church main aim was to unite the sheeps of christ under one flock. So that we nay become one in unity with him. That as christ being the supremen head of the church that as he promised, he would send the holy spirit to guide us in matters of truth. And always lead us to him.
Or now you doubt that peter was the first pope??

Trace your steps..you are all products of thr rebellion of martin Luther, he has set you on the path you are on now. And like it or not, the church WILL ALWAYS guide the WHOLE christianity on matters of faith.

Her teachings her supreme. And is manifest of the work of the holy spirit.. Even the compilation bible is a good evidence of that .

So agree or not,believe or not. Fact is fact. And God has promised us that nothing shall ever prevail agaisnt his church.

Matthew: 16. 18. And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19. And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.

And here Christ encourages us to listen to the church.
Matthew: 18. 17. And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican.

If you will not hear the church let him be to thee as the heathen and publican.

Happy Sunday friend.

joey150:

You are all product of martin Luther's imagination.

You challenge catholic teachings..you think if the church had something to hide they would not remove it from the bible?

Today in the church we celebtare the Penecost. The holy spirit has alwayd guided the church in her teachings. To trust that from oral traditions and letters the church compiled the bible.

To turn back and say you cannot trust that same church's teaching because you cannot find that teaching is ridiculous at best. Even when it is purely there.

This was what made the church excommunicate marthin luther .and he went on to form the protestant faith and from then you people have never stopped splitting. Where you interperete bible the way it suits you.

The catholic church under the guidiance of the holy spirit is still waxing strong.

If you say you are a sola scriptura supporter. You better denounce the bible to. Because alot of oral traditions where included by the same catholic church in the bible. As it is a pure product of oral tradition and letters and epistles collected over the years.

The holy spirit contines to subsequently revela truths to the church as it promised.
You just joined martin luther the rebel. Who led you all on the path you are now.

Like it or not. We hold the truth to most faith in the bible. And there is no catholic teaching that is alien.. All are..i repeat ALL are included in the scripture.

So keep reading the bible we compiled for you under the guidance of the holy spirit. Keep reading the oral tradition included in it. And then keep doubting the teachings of the same church. It all makes sense. That is not to say we make things up..each and eveything tjr catholic church does has its biblical backing. And i will show you anyday anytime .

Read the part he says JUST BECAUSE GOD CHOSE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. Hahahah. Like God was rolling dice when he did. As that same God also promised through the guidiance of the holy spirit to lead that same church that according to you he "casually" just chose.

Keep vindicating us as the one true church. And keep accusing us of heresy. It all makes sense hahaa.

I AM JUST TIRED OF YOUR SOLA SCRIPTURA ASSERTION.
As it is BASELESS.
As we celebrate the pentecost. May the holy spirit continue to guide us in truth.
Happy Sunday! Cheers

Even the high priest who killed Jesus prophesied that it was necessary for Jesus to die dan for d whole nation to perish,did that made him a saint, the pharisees were the custodians of the law did that make them anything,they couldn't believe in Jesus because they believed he was a small boy.Judas Iscariot ate and dine with Jesus yet betrayed him. Paul who was the least apostle was d greatest, the Catholic church may have been used to canonise bible that does not mean anything.God is no respecter of persons.if moses who lead the Israelites out of Egypt could not enter promise land.Don't think the Catholic church cannot fall into error.If Satan can deceive angels talkless of man

laribari:


My Lord!! do you understand English? What does that mean now?

Didn't you say he has rubbished all my teachings because he posted so much about salvation? You accredited him that he knows the word of God and so why will he not know about purgatory?

what is wrong in what i said?



Didn't you praise him for opposing what i said that he is correct and when it comes to your own view about purgatory then he has to be wrong.


My question again is this ............................... why will he know something that deep and technical in the scriptures (since you feel he is correct, even though i know he is not) and will not know something as simple as purgatory.

Purgatory is not complicated the way you guys are saying it, it's just that it is wrong and can't be proven biblically.

You have been selectively choosing what you see. You did not see where I disagreed with him first, but you saw where I agree with him. Chai. Oga, All I do is stand by truth as taught by the Church, the pillar and ground of truth. It doesn't matter who says it, believe me if you say the truth in any particular issue and he says contrary, I will stand by you. The thing is that the Church teaches the whole truth, he and others agree with some, while you and others agree with some. In some, you agree together, in others you disagree together.

laribari:


see what you said n the quote...................... if he truly know the scriptures and can destroy my teachers because i don't teach vain, then he has to know something about purgatory.

the thing with you is that you want me to accept your view by force and u dont have evidence. i show you what i teach

He has stated he doesn't believe in Purgatory, that is his own, why do you continue to insist he teach you that? I do not want you or anyone to accept my view by force, all I want is a truthful discuss, not one that is blinded by hatred and hard heartedness of the Pharisees, who despite all that Jesus was saying and doing to prove who he was, decided not to believe.

Syncan:


You see that's the problem, you've not asked yourself, how they come about these books in the bible. The early Christians held several books as inspired in the first four centuries of the Church, these includes books such as seven letters of Ignatius, the Didache, and The Shepherd. It was not until later that the Catholic Bishops sat, and through an Intense process decided on those to be included as Canons. As per the ones you mentioned appearing in the new testament as references, there are quite a number. I will just name these:

2 Maccabees 7 ----Quoted by St. Paul in Heb 11:35.

Judith 8:14--Quoted by St. Paul in 1Cor.2:10

Judith 8:25--Quoted by St. Paul in 1 cor 10:10.

Quote out your references sir. its not enough to Post the chapters and Verses, lets us read them and you explain how the reference each other.

I had started typing them out, but changed my mind, i wont do your work for you.

analice107:


Quote out your references sir. its not enough to Post the chapters and Verses, lets us read them and you explain how the reference each other.

I had started typing them out, but changed my mind, i wont do your work for you.

It's not my work, I have given you references even non Catholics have acknowledged, especially the Macc, if you have a problem with them, then point it out.

Syncan:


It's not my work, I have given you references even non Catholics have acknowledged, especially the Macc, if you have a problem with them, then point it out.

If you actually want the world to see what you are saying as true, quote the scriptures out for them to see. I wont quote them. Anytime i use a scripture i quote it, so, go ahead and quote it. then within CONTEXT link them up. Scriptures don't stand in Isolation and make meaning, scriptures interpret scriptures

laribari:

I will talk soon, just closed from church.

Yea, Ok.

Syncan:


I do not want you or anyone to accept my view by force, all I want is a truthful discuss, not one that is blinded by hatred and hard heartedness of the Pharisees, who despite all that Jesus was saying and doing to prove who he was, decided not to believe.

I do not use sentiments and i don't follow what you guys discussed before as it's not so convenient for me something to read through.

I must concentrate on my mentions and that is where it concerns me i guess, so i didn't see where you disagreed with him and on what. Do you think i don't have my own view about that macabees discussion but i choose to stay stay away for now and probably won't even comment unless i'm mentioned.

I have told you, i have alot of catholic friends and we don't talk about these things because i respect their views but whenever the topic arises even in the office, we discuss and i tell them what i bible says. we agree, disagree or whatever but that doesn't change my view of how i see them.

I don't have issues with catholics but the doctrine. Chikina.

Anyways, im not supposed to talk till like 6 or 7, or less i not go finish my report oo.

analice107:

If you actually want the world to see what you are saying as true, quote the scriptures out for them to see. I wont quote them. Anytime i use a scripture i quote it, so, go ahead and quote it. then within CONTEXT link them up. Scriptures don't stand in Isolation and make meaning, scriptures interpret scriptures

The Bible is everywhere, even online, it's not difficult even to search through commentaries if you don't understand. I have quoted scriptures, if you didn't find it lets know, if you found them and didn't agree, tell me.

laribari:


I do not use sentiments and i don't follow what you guys discussed before as it's not so convenient for me something to read through.

I must concentrate on my mentions and that is where it concerns me i guess, so i didn't see where you disagreed with him and on what. Do you think i don't have my own view about that macabees discussion but i choose to stay stay away for now and probably won't even comment unless i'm mentioned.

I have told you, i have alot of catholic friends and we don't talk about these things because i respect their views but whenever the topic arises even in the office, we discuss and i tell them what i bible says. we agree, disagree or whatever but that doesn't change my view of how i see them.

I don't have issues with catholics but the doctrine. Chikina.

Anyways, im not supposed to talk till like 6 or 7, or less i not go finish my report oo.

Please do not play with your daily bread, make sure you take your job seriously and prepare appropriately. Nairaland is just social media and it's for spare time, I understand if you're out, I myself don't always come here. I posted where I disagreed with him for you to see, and if you had said immediately "oh sorry, I didn't see that", the matter would have ended. No qualms, the Catholic Church will continue to teach the truth as always done throughout the ages. You may believe, you may not .

solite3:
Even the high priest who killed Jesus prophesied that it was necessary for Jesus to die dan for d whole nation to perish,did that made him a saint, the pharisees were the custodians of the law did that make them anything,they couldn't believe in Jesus because they believed he was a small boy.Judas Iscariot ate and dine with Jesus yet betrayed him. Paul who was the least apostle was d greatest, the Catholic church may have been used to canonise bible that does not mean anything.God is no respecter of persons.if moses who lead the Israelites out of Egypt could not enter promise land.Don't think the Catholic church cannot fall into error.If Satan can deceive angels talkless of man

the holy spirit continuously guides the church.
Do you think it was all a coincidence..catholic putting the bible together.. Perter becoming the first pope.. The Vatican housing most of the original manuscript of various writings? You think it all happened by chance. And hear you say it does not mean anything. How funny.

Jesus promised in matthew 16:18 that nothing shall prevail against his church, so worry not about the devil..he has tried many times my friend..and he still tries to divide us.
But christ assures us that he will always protect his own

laribari:
SYNCAN.........

let me say this before hand so that you don't say i ran away oo.

i will be off till like 6 or 7, i need to prepare some stuff for office tomorrow

I will take any mention or comments when i get back, especially if Ayo777 has responded to the purgatory question i asked him. It is not a condition, i just wanna learn his view on that. And please attend to your duties, I don't expect less, Jesus demands that you do your work diligently.

GO BACK TO THE FIRST LINE OF HIS POST TO ME. Before he started, he said i think.......

usually, my view is that when you think or feel that something should be like this or that, that doesn't mean it is correct or has to be so all the time. I do not think he is wrong, i know so.

I have alot to show him by the same scriptures he brought out as evidence for his reason and you (Syncan) will be amazed by the responses i will make to him. I'm not a novice in God word or read out of context.

I am fully prepared, don't worry.

meanwhile, let me rush to finish the things i must do first.

Sir you may not be a novice in the word of God, but you still don't have the whole truth, this is a discussion, let truth be laid bare here. Even the apostles deliberated on issues. Acts 15.

I have noticed that whenever i show facts.. They would all switch off and completely ignore the post.. Hahah.
The ine about Jesus teaching on the sermon on the mount. They had no defence.. They all ignored it,because there was nowhere to poke holes..


You all want verses i have given ayoku.n777 enough to take him through the day..as he dare calls intercessions of saints heresy.. Let him read and still Come back and challenge fact.

Doctor.alien i have given you your share to.. Read and comeback and still ask me for verses upon verses.

Truth is protestant teaching is the product of martin Luther's rebellion. And it will never stand toe to toe with the church on issues of faith or salvation. Take it or leave it.

Cheers!!

joey150:
stop quoting that revelation verse. I have educated even ayoku777 about it.

That verse explicitly refers to only revelation. It explicitly mentioned BOOK.

even at that.the bible didnt exist then as a book that we have it as today. So it could have never have referred to the bible. Dont you see IN THIS BOOK.. Meaning in thr book of revelations. Una don turn am to bible sharply.nawa. bible that didnt exist then

That refers to JUST the book of revelations.
Pleae stop twisting things here.

Cheers!

Like i said, when you have made up your mind to disobey, you come up with excuses. My dear, go ahead, its your headache.
Listen, I have this Bible here to live by and obey what it says, and am trying to, falling and rising every now and then.
The one i have here, i have not been able to obey all, now you are fighting to bring in more books that have no spiritual relevance or Prophecies. If i can but live by Just the Sermon on the mount, i will be on my way to heaven. You, go ahead and gather those other books.
Maccabees, 1&2
Judith
Tobit
Wisdom
Sirach
Songs of Songs
Esther
Daniel
You go ahead and include these books, for me, i have read them and found them of no relevance, but from "Sirach" Which is more or less like Proverbs.
My hands are full already with the Bible.
Goodluck.

analice107:

Like i said, when you have made up your mind to disobey, you come up with excuses. My dear, go ahead, its your headache.
Listen, I have this Bible here to live by and obey what it says, and am trying to, falling and rising every now and then.
The one i have here, i have not been able to obey all, now you are fighting to bring in more books that have no spiritual relevance or Prophecies. If i can but live by Just the Sermon on the mount, i will be on my way to heaven. You, go ahead and gather those other books.
Maccabees, 1&2
Judith
Tobit
Wisdom
Sirach
Songs of Songs
Esther
Daniel
You go ahead and include these books, for me, i have read them and found them of no relevance, but from "Sirach" Which is more or less like Proverbs.
My hands are full already with the Bible.
Goodluck.

why are you so fixated on maccabees..i agree. That your founder martin Luther removed it..ok i have showed you other evidences. Do you not see them?

On the revelation issue, it is crystal clear Ana..no need to even mince words there . read for yourself and understand.
Today is the feast of the pentecost..pray the holy spirit visits you like it did to the apsotles. And show you the truth.

As far as i am concerned all the excuses have come from you all saying its not in the bible when clearly it is.

My main ish is that you where once where the truth was, but in time of doubt you didn't ask or search had enough. And where the root of a tree is not strongly fixed to the earth,when the strong wind blows, it will always give way.
Cheers ana!

[quote author=joey150 post=45641256] which council of nacea are you talking about?
Maccabees was deemed fit to be in the scriptures by the catholic council. Which then put together the books of the bible.

After the 1st split..instigated by martin luther he decided that those books be removed in subsequent protestant bible.. It was all his doing. Thats why you should relate your problems to him. As he started the division we have now..

Its a long story ana..i do not want to go into that..

I mentioned something about Jesus talking about prison on the sermon on the mount. In this same post where i mentioned maccabees.
You haven't responded. I expect you to oppose it as you always do.
But what i really want to hear is your reason as usual.

Happy Sunday! And happy pentecost too.

[/quo]
I think the bone of contention here is "Legality". You are not really interested whether these books have spiritual revelational knowledge to impact, or not, its a fight for supremacy.
O God!!!!
So its just " The Catholic Church Versus The Protestants?
lol. what nonsense!!!
The New World Order is fiercely trumping down everything Christian, and here fighting stupid legalistic fight?

Well, i have read all manner of books, anyone i find any useful information relevant to my existence here on earth, i take, if not, i discard. Books like Camus, Zarathustra and their likes, makes no meaning to me, so i cast them off, just like i cast the Maccabees off too. The time is too short to waste on trivial.
Once again, goodluck.