agarawu23:
you mean our one and only Patrick ?
Who grammar don EPP?

n3xt:


"Quality Sharp Sand" like River Sand. I think those guys (Construction Giants) are doing this to reduce their cost. It's cheaper for JB, Setraco and the likes to buy a dredger and start dredging sand from the whole of Lagos not minding the ecological effect on the land.

I'm ready for a crushed granite fine vs quality sharp sand compressivity test challenge. In terms of cost and strength, I think granite fine will do better than sand for concrete applications.


Brabus

agarawu23:
Even this lady below go ask u who paper don epp.

https://www.nairaland.com/3119074/photo-yet-another-jobless-nigerian

Mr&miss no paper/grammar smile to the bank weekly while Mr & Mrs grammar/ paper run errand for them.

olihilistic:


our own Patrick whatever his surname is though.

grammar made that egbon famous oo so we EPP the niqqa

n3xt:
Somewhere on the Island of Lagos during the heavy downpour this afternoon. After 5 minutes of continuous rain, water rose above DPC level and we started seeing water coming from the tiled floor.

Big Man, Big Problem. Multi-million Naira Project - No Proper Water Exclusion Strategy


Brabus

EgunMogaji:


Ki nsepe afi nyan won, andupe lowo alawurabi ni

agarawu23:
over sabi will either kill you or end up your life miserable. The man will write crap that you need to start looking for your dico for the meaning.


You think say him grammar never affect him brain sef? How person with complete brain go dress like this despite his grammar

olihilistic:

you think everything he does comes from his normal brain??
that niqqa sniffs cocaine and smokes weed too.

agarawu23:
pained?
do your post have any impact in my personal life? NO sir!!!
Blow your grammar from now till tomorrow, it doesnt stop my job or reduce my salary cos I don't have 'paper' to show for my skill. Who certificate & grammar epp ?

You are a prime example of that apt cliche which says "If you think Education is useless/dangerous, ...TRY IGNORANCE"

" "Old Women always get uneasy when "dry bones" are mentioned in a Proverb".

You and your certificate-less nitwits can keep shoring-up your ego after-all, THERE IS SAFETY IN NUMBERS!

lastpage:


I never said l had any impact on your "hustle life" in Morroco!
That is what "illiteracy cum education" does to you: COMPREHENSION PROBLEMS.

The fact that we are not even speaking on the "same plane", is enough proof that l cant bandy-words with you.
You just dont get it.
Imagine when someone who is still praying/begging for a U.S Visa, ends up by some crooked-route, in Morocco.... asking :Who Education don Epp"?

You are a prime example of that apt cliche which says "If you think Education is useless/dangerous, ...TRY IGNORANCE"

" "Old Women always get uneasy when "dry bones" are mentioned in a Proverb".

You are your certificate-less nitwits can keep shoring-up your ego after-all, THERE IS SAFETY IN NUMBERS!

I wont dignify your emptiness by going back and forth with your type.

IGNORE BUTTON ACTIVATED.




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lastpage:


I never said l had any impact on your "hustle life" in Morroco!
That is what "illiteracy cum education" does to you: COMPREHENSION PROBLEMS.

The fact that we are not even speaking on the "same plane", is enough proof that l cant bandy-words with you.
You just dont get it.
Imagine when someone who is still praying/begging for a U.S Visa, ends up by some crooked-route, in Morocco.... asking :Who Education don Epp"?

You are a prime example of that apt cliche which says "If you think Education is useless/dangerous, ...TRY IGNORANCE"

" "Old Women always get uneasy when "dry bones" are mentioned in a Proverb".

You are your certificate-less nitwits can keep shoring-up your ego after-all, THERE IS SAFETY IN NUMBERS!

I wont dignify your emptiness by going back and forth with your type.

IGNORE BUTTON ACTIVATED.




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adanny01:


Let me point out that

Laterite is NOT the same thing as sharp sand. Laterite is a soil which is rich in iron which gives it a reddish colour while sharp sand is sand which is free from dirt or soil and of angular shapes.

Secondly, on point 3. To conclude on that compressive strenght, i expected that you have done the tests properly. Properly means casting a minimum of 3 standard cubes of 1000cm³ or 3,375cm³ each for granite dust and sharp sand, the average of the compressive strengths taken. Also, the proper test should have compared atleast average compressive strenght at 7days and at 28days not forgetting curing by complete submersion in water.

This way alot of errors should have been eliminated.

Before your experiment is considered, i have to be sure it meets minimum standard since casting just one cube is still an inconclusive result. I have seen where concrete from the same batch had a wide difference in compressive strength. Imagine having a result like 25, 27 and 14N/mm2 on 3 cubes of the same concrete batch. Thats even machine mixed o, not to talk of hand mix that gives alot of consistency errors.

Miscellaneous:



man, 3 cubes was tested & average taken ...& did u believe I wouldn't do all aforementioned under supervision ? Man, I did all that. The only mistake I made was not snapping pix before submission of the detailed report


cc: n3xt

agarawu23:
baba, na me dey rule that section. Just point one chick for there. "Point and kill" ni

AZUH:
this forum is something else , do i need a certificate to be an enginner /contractor ? that babe is looking for job ,she nor fine , i for give her job , @agarawu pls can you help her? you where once like that.

lastpage:


Honestly, l have been trying not to "comment" on this area of discussion for some days because l get riled when l hear people with sub-par level of education, use this line of argument, to console themselves!

I can tell you authoritatively that for every little thing you want to do "Abroad", you have to be certified!
Even ordinary street cleaner has to do some "Safe Pass" or Training and get issued with a certificate of "training completion", before he or she can sweep that street.
Ditto for al menial jobs, like window-cleaning, Security-Gate-man, bus driver, e.t.c

You wont even get the opportunity (They wont even consider you) to show-case how good you are at "laying blocks" if you dont have a Builder's certificate and training.
First, they would ask to see your "Certificate",ONLY after which ......you can now prove your COMPETENCY in the "practicals"

Sebi you said you can drive \construction equipment, right? Did you go for any "formal training" that involves Pen and Paper? Do you have a Certificate to brandish for such training?
If not, be you the best operator in the world, you cant even go near a Construction equipment in the "Oyinbo Kontiri".

Its only in Africa, especially in Nigeria that "Artisans' compare themselves with trained and well-educated Professional!
They are aeons apart, believe me.



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erico2k2:

Xtreemly wrong,try and graduate in the Uk with no experience and see the kind of jobs you get
This is the reason the government introduce apprenticeship in the UK FACT.

Miscellaneous:



man, 3 cubes was tested & average taken ...& did u believe I wouldn't do all aforementioned under supervision ? Man, I did all that. The only mistake I made was not snapping pix before submission of the detailed report


cc: n3xt

adanny01:


Thats what you think, granite dust remains a quarry waste product and no construction company is allowed to use it as subtitute for sharp sand. I am sure there are researches to use it as additive but not to replace sharp sand.

Quarry dust in Abuja is cheaper than sharp sand but still not prefered by top construction companies. Its not the cost, its standard practice. The stone dust can only be considered when its cheaper.

Unfortunately, my site is closed and i have no access to the lab for now.

Modified:

I just read 2 journals about this.

1.One researched 100% granite dust and 100% sharp sand as fine aggregate for grade 25 and 40 concrete. The conclusion had "The strength achieved in concrete made with sand as fine aggregate achieved high strengths when compared with Quarry stone dust concrete". However, the results show that both materials achieved their targeted grades. This meant that sharp sand and granite dust both made the grade 25 concrete but sand was higher.

2. This research only used granite dust as percentage of the fine aggregate. The research used 30, 40 and 50% granite mixed with 70, 60 and 50% sharp sand resp. This research documents marginal increase in strength but limited under 50%. It means it is good to mix quarry dust with cement but must be below 50% of the fine aggregate portion.

In summary, quarry dust can be used as an economical subtitute to sharp sand but not a better material for general flexural strength in a concrete member.

Also, on fire resistance, sharp sand is still better from the first journal.

n3xt:


My boss, I'll be interested in reading up the journals if you can provide the source.


Meanwhile, here's my position. Base in my experiment on sand (different types available in the market), I know that River sand is the only sand to get if you're looking for quality. Just few days ago, Egunmogaji posted another type of sand supplied to him as sharp sand. If you're familiar with Lekki axis, there are nothing less than 10 - 12 types of sharp sand (Addo, Berger, BADORE, Langbasa, Chevron, Bogije, Awoyaya etc). These sand are full of silt which takes in moisture and dampens the concrete.
Since I got a dump truck for my projects, I've learnt a lot about sand and I realize that the further we dredge this material the more silt and clay is present and the more difficult it becomes for construction company's (small or big/giants) to get sand of a suitable quality.

However, crushed granite fine (otherwise called granite dust) had grades and I found it as a better alternative to low quality sand we are having around this days.

The CGF has enable us to create large amounts of sand to a specific quality and not varying qualities as it used to be. This may be one of the most overlooked causes of building collapse in Nigeria.

You'll agree with me that crushed granites do not contain impurities such as silt and clay found in sand; which makes it a stronger alternative to river sand. And there are lots of many more positives.
The only disadvantage is availability and workability which is less of an issue because we are faced with the same problem if we are to source a good quality sharp sand.

cc: smiley001, Chekitaut, fendorf

Brabus

EgunMogaji:


What are your thoughts on using this as part of mix to set blocks ONLY?

I've heard from AbdulWastecx but he doesn't build in this area.

n3xt:


It'll work for block setting and equally work for concrete application. The unfortunate thing is it'll produce a very strange colour that'll make one feel the mix is of less quality.

I know there are sharp sands that looks like what you posted above. The color doesn't make them less quality. It's the presence of silt and clay in them.

A similar type of sand was used to raise the columns on the upper floor of my chateau and with right mix under good supervision, it achieved the same result. Yet, no cracks (horizontal or vertical or triangular) despite building in an area where limestone is blasted almost everyday.


Brabus


Suggestion:

Leave for 2 - 3 rains to wash away the colors and impurities, it'll come out fine line River sand. This is where Baba Lati's experience count though.

EgunMogaji:


This is really simple.

We have a saying in yoruba, "Orin ti aditi bagbo, oun ni ojo si". Translation: the music that a deaf man heard last is what he'll always dance to.

We tend to celebrate what works/worked for us.

Those that are successful with paper credentials will celebrate that. Those that are equally successful without credentials will celebrate that too.

Both sides have merit. What doesn't have merit are megalomaniacs that tries to force their own personal opinions down the throats of everybody in captive audience.

As a matter of fact my employment requires me to be consistent, up to date and credentialed with every new version of a specific application that I manage. I sat for a new test just yesterday on version 2016. It's a condition of employment.

Another fact is that my job required either a Doctorate degree or 15 years of progressive experience in hospital information technology. Notice that they included "or".

We use that to our advantage when we have fires to kill and we need hot shot applicants that can hit the ground running by having years of experience. HR will, of course, send people with degree but we're looking for experience

Nothing sucks than to train people, including graduates, that has no working experience. We encourage and directly source positions for interns on my team just so that we have people that not only have the education but the work ethics. On my team, we don;t want students or folks who think the office is an extension of college.

Anyways, carry on folks. We are all successful in our own rights, which is why we have time to debate this stuff. The folks who are looking for job, either degreed or otherwise have no time for online banter with strangers, hopefully.

http://elitedaily.com/news/business/100-top-entrepreneurs-succeeded-college-degree/

Here is a list of the top 100 entrepreneurs that never received a college degree. Many of them you will know while others decided to remain slightly under the radar.

"1. Abraham Lincoln, lawyer, U.S. president. Finished one year of formal schooling, self-taught himself trigonometry, and read Blackstone on his own to become a lawyer.

2. Amadeo Peter Giannini, multimillionaire founder of Bank of America. Dropped out of high school.

3. Andrew Carnegie, industrialist and philanthropist, and one of the first mega-billionaires in the US. Elementary school dropout.

4. Andrew Jackson, U.S. president, general, attorney, judge, congressman. Home-schooled. Became a practicing attorney by the age of 35 – without a formal education.

5. Andrew Perlman, co-founder of GreatPoint. Dropped out of Washington University to start Cignal Global Communications, an Internet communications company, when he was only 19.

6. Anne Beiler, multimillionaire co-founder of Auntie Anne's Pretzels. Dropped out of high school.

7. Ansel Adams, world-famous photographer. Dropped out of high school.

8. Ashley Qualls, founder of Whateverlife.com, left high school at the age of 15 to devote herself to building her website business. She was more than a million dollars by 17.

9. Barbara Lynch, chef, owner of a group of restaurants, worth over $10 million, in Boston. Dropped out of high school.

10. Barry Diller, billionaire, Hollywood mogul, Internet maven, founder of Fox Broadcasting Company, chairman of IAC/InterActive Corp (owner of Ask.com),

11. Ben Kaufman, 21-year-old serial entrepreneur, founder of Kluster. Dropped out of college in his freshman year.

12. Benjamin Franklin, inventor, scientist, author, entrepreneur. Primarily home-schooled.

13. Billy Joe (Red) McCombs, billionaire, founder of Clear Channel media, real estate investor. Dropped out of law school to sell cars in 1950.

14. Bob Proctor, motivational speaker, bestselling author, and co-founder of Life Success Publishing. Attended two months of high school.

15. Bram Cohen, BitTorrent developer. Attended State University of New York at Buffalo for a year.

16. Carl Lindner, billionaire investor, founder of United Dairy Farmers. Dropped out of high school at the age of 14.

17. Charles Culpeper, owner and CEO of Coca Cola. Dropped out of high school.

18. Christopher Columbus, explorer, discoverer of new lands. Primarily home-schooled......."

EgunMogaji:


What are your thoughts on using this as part of mix to set blocks ONLY?

I've heard from AbdulWastecx but he doesn't build in this area.

agarawu23:
Oga brabus, is the below granite stones or tiles with granite design? Are they pocket friendly?

agarawu23:
U use it in your fence too and it shows clearly here that they are tiles.

mufutau55:


They are lovely o.... but simply, in my own case; I am a very poor man.. so I just build with the simple and minimal cost items.
But we will probably see that in EgunM's real bungalow build when the time comes.. he is the modern one.. not I o.
I believe Fastshipping posted some way back and Brabus showcase some on his thread.

Hajji M.