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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 3:39am On May 23, 2016
FastShipping:


Which one of these three would you go for?

I like the two white polished tiles. I like the grey one too but I have to change color of some things I already settled with to match my color theme. They are 24" by 24" tiles.

What do you think?

Have you seen this items physically? Or through whatsapp pic?

I'll chose the first one.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by FastShipping: 3:44am On May 23, 2016
n3xt:


Have you seen this items physically? Or through whatsapp pic?

I'll chose the first one.

Are you kidding me? How would I see them when I'm 8000 miles away? I saw them through text and mail.

What is/are your reasons for choosing the grey one?
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 3:51am On May 23, 2016
FastShipping:


Are you kidding me? How would I see them when I'm 8000 miles away? I saw them through text and mail.

What is/are your reasons for choosing the grey one?

I think I've seen the other 2 before. I really don't like them.

They look pretty close enough to the original. It's in the same class with the tiles shown in the pics below.

It's class of tiles I want to use in low traffic area. Definitely not areas of interest.


Class of finish of the tiles below - Budget level.

Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 4:02am On May 23, 2016
This is the reason why I don't like them patterned.

Compare the 2 on finished floors. I wish I could get furnished pics of the patterned tiles.

Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by FastShipping: 4:02am On May 23, 2016
n3xt:


I think I've seen the other 2 before. I really don't like them.

They look pretty close enough to the original. It's in the same class with the tiles shown in the pics below.

It's class of tiles I want to use in low traffic area. Definitely not areas of interest.


Class of finish of the tiles below - Budget level.

Stop it!

Those trash of Chinese tiles you posted here are not in the same class as the porcelain polished tiles I posted. Are you kidding me?
Do you think you are dealing with scum?

Those tiles I posted are 4000 naira per sqmt.

Maybe you didn't see them right. Below are better taken pictures of the tiles I posted. Now compare them to the Chinese trash you displayed.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by FastShipping: 4:04am On May 23, 2016
n3xt:
This is the reason why I don't like them patterned.

Compare the 2 on finished floors. I wish I could get furnished pics of the patterned tiles.

Stop it man! Those Chinese trash can't cut it with me. I rather sleep on concrete floor than to accept those trash as floor tiles. Are you kidding me?

The tiles used in the foyer area that you displayed are not the same Chinese trash you posted. Those are two different tiles.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 4:08am On May 23, 2016
FastShipping:


Stop it!

Those trash of Chinese tiles you posted here are not in the same class as the porcelain polished tiles I posted. Are you kidding me?
Do you think you are dealing with scum?

Those tiles I posted are 4000 naira per sqmt.

Maybe you didn't see them right. Below are better taken pictures of the tiles I posted. Now compare them to the Chinese trash you displayed.

That's why I asked did you see them physically?

If na by "Pali". Here is Pali for your delight. If it is by writing Spanish at the back, I'll show you Chinese tiles with Spanish written at the back.

http://www.argentaceramica.com/en

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by FastShipping: 4:10am On May 23, 2016
n3xt:


That's why I asked did you see them physically?

If na by "Pali". Here is Pali for your delight. If it is by writing Spanish at the back, I'll show you Chinese tiles with Spanish written at the back.

http://www.argentaceramica.com/en


You can show pali all you want. Those trashy tiles are not in the same class as the tiles I posted. Not even fvcking close.

If I paid you to tile my floor and you give me those trashy tiles, I swear I won't hesitate to dislocate your elbows and knee caps.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 4:11am On May 23, 2016
What I posted above is fake version of Argenta from Orile? So be sure of what your buying.

It costs around 3.5k
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by FastShipping: 4:13am On May 23, 2016
n3xt:
What I posted above is fake version of Argenta from Orile? So be sure of what your buying.

It costs around 3.5k

Those trash don't cost 3500 Naira per square meter. They cost 1,700 per square meter. I have seen it all in the last one month. I have seen more than 80 tile samples in the last four weeks. I am versed in these things. In fact, I have tiles of 3,000 naira per square meter that are ten times better than those ones you displayed.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Miscellaneous(m): 4:14am On May 23, 2016
lastpage:


That would be great!
Research-based education brings about unquantifiable development.

In the course of my own build, we noticed that we had to use even more water as the Stone dust seems to consume/swallow the water and it dries up very quickly.

Now, l am thinking, "all things being equal", if you use the same amount of water in the tow mixes (Sharp sand ...and Stone dust), the Sharp sand will likely come out stronger because the Stone Dust appears to be "starved of water" and like if you starve a sharp Sand mix of water, it will definitely not attain maximum strength.
This is just a "postulation" of mine as l dont have "accurate, scientific data" to back it up, having not done any controlled experiment, as you have done.

Please keep it at it as you would be contributing something meaningful to the industry.
Just do it as a "further project" or if you are in your 1st degree finals, enrol for "higher degrees" and pursue it further on a larger scale, with more time to spare.




Lastpage!

Yea, I'm beginning to understand you. But, the purpose of carrying out the workability test (I.e compacting factor test / slump test ) was to see if water was okay or not. A true slump was gotten (meaning water was infact adequate although, the one for sharp sand was slightly better ). So, after doing that in the lab, I won't really buy the idea of water starvation... in construction sites, do you leave an already mixed cement paste in the open air for long hours, like say 6hrs? (why allow those labourers to mix 12 bags of cement & open it for long hours ? some labourers will even eat morning & afternoon food for already mixed cement head. Why not split the mixing in 4's ? These things does affect strength in sites, although negatively. )


Regards the research stuff, I would see what I can do. Me, in Finals ? lol... I'm still in year 3 oooo.... I never even go for my year4 IT programme not to mention start year5 project, that was just my lab experiment, it was even a group work in the sense that I got assistance from some of my mates but I just decided to discuss on it with those already in the construction sector. Believe me, I'll re-conduct this test even if they don't allow me for now. Had I been in year 5, they would easily allow me.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 4:21am On May 23, 2016
FastShipping:


Those trash don't cost 3500 Naira per square meter. They cost 1,700 per square meter. I have seen it all in the last one month. I have seen more than 80 tile samples in the last four weeks. I am versed in these things. In fact, I have tiles of 3,000 naira per square meter that are ten times better than those ones you displayed.

I suggest you check out Argenta website. Even with knockoff Pali, you won't get 3,500 from Orile.

Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by FastShipping: 4:25am On May 23, 2016
n3xt:


I suggest you check out Argenta website. Even with knockoff Pali, you won't get 3,500 from Orile.


I repeat those trashy Chinese tile you displayed are not sold for 3500 Naira per sq mt. Those trashy tiles on the floor are sold for 1500-1700 naira per sq mt. I have tons of tiles in my mail and phone being sold for 3000-3500 per sq mt that are ten times better than the trashy ones you claim are of same grade as the polished porcelain tiles I displayed.

Stop it!

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 4:27am On May 23, 2016
n3xt:


That's why I asked did you see them physically?

If na by "Pali". Here is Pali for your delight. If it is by writing Spanish at the back, I'll show you Chinese tiles with Spanish written at the back.

http://www.argentaceramica.com/en

https://www.flooranddecor.com/porcelain-tile/super-white-porcelain-tile-912500187.html#prefn1=color&prefn2=productType&prefv3=24in.+x+24in.&prefv1=White&prefv2=Porcelain&prefn3=size&start=1

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 4:32am On May 23, 2016
FastShipping:

I repeat those trashy Chinese tile you displayed are not sold for 3500 Naira per sq mt. Those trashy tiles on the floor are sold for 1500-1700 naira per sq mt. I have tons of tiles in my mail and phone being sold for 3000-3500 per sq mt that are ten times better than the trashy ones you claim are of same grade as the polished porcelain tiles I displayed.
Stop it!


What is the name of the tiles you displayed sir? I agree that Argenta is fake.

When I grade tiles, it's not based on the cost. This explains the reason why some people install marbles and yet couldn't create an inspiring home.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by FastShipping: 4:37am On May 23, 2016
n3xt:



What is the name of the tiles you displayed sir? I agree that Argenta is fake.

When I grade tiles, it's not based on the cost. This explains the reason why some people install marbles and yet couldn't create an inspiring home.


No one told you argenta is fake. But don't come here to tell me those trashy tiles you displayed are of same grade as the polished porcelain tiles I displayed. Not even close.

It is not my business if you grade tiles base on cost. One thing I know is, high end tiles don't come cheap. At the same time, trashy tiles like the one you just displayed come very cheap. That is why they are trashy.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 4:51am On May 23, 2016
Bros, I used to think this same way o until I entered the market myself.

Now, I don't buy Orile again. I buy from reputable tiles stores. I buy known brands.

I concur with your last comment baba. The trashy tiles are in the budget class like I clearly stated. I never present them as luxury tiles.

My mistake is putting them side by side with what you posted. Im sorry about that. But that's just the way I see it from here. The reason why I asked if you've seen them physically or online
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Qc1(m): 5:03am On May 23, 2016
FastShipping:


No one told you argenta is fake. But don't come here to tell me those trashy tiles you displayed are of same grade as the polished porcelain tiles I displayed. Not even close.

It is not my business if you grade tiles base on cost. One thing I know is, high end tiles don't come cheap. At the same time, trashy tiles like the one you just displayed come very cheap. That is why they are trashy.


@ FastShipping

Could you please recommend the lightest (as in weight) tiles? I need something that won't add too much weight for my house because I don't want it to sink further. Thank you sir.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Miscellaneous(m): 5:10am On May 23, 2016
A column normally resists axial compressive force, & I know it is also possible for it to resist bending (called a "beam column" ). Now, to the engineers, how can we make a beam resist bending? Or better put, what are the applications of a "beam column" ?
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by FastShipping: 5:15am On May 23, 2016
Qc1:



@ FastShipping

Could you please recommend the lightest (as in weight) tiles? I need something that won't add too much weight for my house because I don't want it to sink further. Thank you sir.




You may have to go with ceramic tiles. They are made light in weight.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by babalose: 5:34am On May 23, 2016
That's why I believe atimes it's better to bring your tiles from abroad to cast away any form of doubt in the quality of what you are buying especially if it's for personal use. So many Spanish tiles of the same product and manufacturer are cheaper in Nigeria than in Spain so it brings the question, which is original which is fake?

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by lastpage: 5:34am On May 23, 2016
Miscellaneous:


Yea, I'm beginning to understand you. But, the purpose of carrying out the workability test (I.e compacting factor test / slump test ) was to see if water was okay or not. A true slump was gotten (meaning water was infact adequate although, the one for sharp sand was slightly better ). So, after doing that in the lab, I won't really buy the idea of water starvation... in construction sites, do you leave an already mixed cement paste in the open air for long hours, like say 6hrs? (why allow those labourers to mix 12 bags of cement & open it for long hours ? some labourers will even eat morning & afternoon food for already mixed cement head. Why not split the mixing in 4's ? These things does affect strength in sites, although negatively. )

.

How did you deduce the highlighted, from my post.... because l cant remember writing anything close to that?

I have done a few builds in my life time and am a very curious person by nature, so l do watch and ask questions as we go along.
What l said l noticed, is a "COMPARATIVELY HIGHER" rate of drying up (or for want of a better word, CLUMPING, as opposed to out-right hardening) of the STONE DUST/Cement/Granite mix, .... than for a SHARP SAND/Cement/granite mix (all things being equal and under 'standard operating conditions' like normal exposure time).

The operative words here is "comparatively" and "similar circumstances".

As an educated guess, l think it has to do with the Chemical properties of the Stone Dust, which itself is a finer aggregate of Granite itself but with less powdery substance which l think makes water poured into it to simply run-off (unlike Sharp sand) or sip into the ground during mixing.
I also think it has a more acquiescing property to cement than Sharp Sand (and again why your test results seem to baffle everyone here!) so it begins to hardens far quicker.
these are just guesses mind you, .... will wait to hear what further test results shows.

But when yo do comparative tests, you need to ensure there is a "Control test" to use as a basis for your conclusions.
This ensures one is comparing Apples, with Apples.


Keep it up & wish you success in Acada.



Lastpage!
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by abdulwastecx(m): 5:45am On May 23, 2016
Miscellaneous:
A column normally resists axial compressive force, & I know it is also possible for it to resist bending (called a "beam column" ). Now, to the engineers, how can we make a beam resist bending? Or better put, what are the applications of a "beam column" ?

Columns resist both axial comprehensive forces and moment induced due to its slenderness, designed on the bases of resisting lateral forces in a monolithic frame structures, moment induced due to eccentricity, arrangements in column and beam construction.

There are different cases where columns undergoes bending in addition to axial comprehensive forces. Bending as a result of moment.

slender columns are designed to resist additional moment induced by deflection at ultimate limit state

Columns in monolithic frames subjected to lateral forces are designed to resist moment due to lateral forces

Column in beam-and - column construction, in the cases of columns supporting asymmetrical arrangements of beams

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Qc1(m): 5:49am On May 23, 2016
FastShipping:


You may have to go with ceramic tiles. They are made light in weight.

Thanks man. Any idea on the price range and what are your thought about its quality?
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by FastShipping: 5:53am On May 23, 2016
babalose:
That's why I believe atimes it's better to bring your tiles from abroad to cast away any form of doubt in the quality of what you are buying especially if it's for personal use. So many Spanish tiles of the same product and manufacturer are cheaper in Nigeria than in Spain so it brings the question, which is original which is fake?

I have done my findings are found out tiles of all kind are generally cheaper in Nigeria. I did a market survey today and I found out that if the same tiles I want were to be bought in Lagos, I could be saving myself between $1800-$2300.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by FastShipping: 5:56am On May 23, 2016
Qc1:


Thanks man. Any idea on the price range and what are your thought about its quality?

I don't know the price range of ceramic tiles because I have had no market survey on it. The quality of it is not in doubt. They are relatively made for non traffic areas like residential homes.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by abdulwastecx(m): 5:59am On May 23, 2016
I can't argue about the strength of concrete based on fine aggregates type because I haven't done any test based on that but I notice that the water to cement ratio (w-c) vary considerably using any of these two aggregates.

I have done some test to estimate and observed the effect of water content on strength of concrete, which shows that water content is an impact factor on the outcome of strength of concrete.
Other factors are coarse aggregates sizes, curing type and duration.

A Low water content gives higher strength of concrete but low workability. The problem is to find a balance between strength and workability and that is why additives like water reducer and plasticizers come handing to reduce water content by also making the concrete workable.

Fine aggregates filled in spaces between coarse aggregates and also help the cement to reduce shrinkage of concrete but don't really contribute much to the strength of the concrete
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Qc1(m): 6:04am On May 23, 2016
FastShipping:


I don't know the price range of ceramic tiles because I have had no market survey on it. The quality of it is not in doubt. They are relatively made for non traffic areas like residential homes.



Thanks man. Respect.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 6:10am On May 23, 2016
babalose:
That's why I believe atimes it's better to bring your tiles from abroad to cast away any form of doubt in the quality of what you are buying especially if it's for personal use. So many Spanish tiles of the same product and manufacturer are cheaper in Nigeria than in Spain so it brings the question, which is original which is fake?

Just like doors. 90% of contemporary styled homes build their doors locally and not buy imported. Or buy from verified importers of original doors.


At least I can say that of Play-in-Architecture and some other leading contemporary designers.

My picks for K-024 are between 2.3m and 2.8m high doors which is totally strange to Nigeria building industry.

My picks for Atlantic View project are all Original Turkey Doors shipped in by a friend to the client.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by babalose: 6:32am On May 23, 2016
@Fastshipping.....have you asked yourself how tiles claimed to be made in Spain and exported to Nigeria will be cheaper than in Spain. It defies any law of economics except something is fishy somewhere. You cant buy tiles for €10 and then export it to Nigeria and then sell it for €6 except you are not actually buying it from Spain. They are not the same tiles and you are not saving any money, you are spending money to buy something that looks like what you saw abroad. Anyway, I know you know the truth.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 6:37am On May 23, 2016
New range of white doors (Turkey) shown to me just last week.

In a shipping company warehouse in Ajao estate. The same source for the Atlantic View supplies.

I can confirm its from Turkey. Well, it's not possible that it is first transferred to turkey from China o. But the Country of Shipping is clearly written "Turkey"

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by agarawu23(m): 6:46am On May 23, 2016
n3xt:


Yea. Theyre pocket friendly but very scarce. Not available in the regular market.

I no answer the question before because you dey on fire when you asked the question.


Brabus
thanks boss cool

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