@op, I believe man isn't really the flesh and blood we see and touch, but the invisible form that thinks, speaks and energizes the visible form to act in predetermined ways. A dead body anatomically has everything, but life, that invisible form or spirit, has departed from that casing.

So, the way a spirit departs the body is not what matters but the state of that spirit when it left the body. The Almighty God remains where he has always been. In my opinion, we have become too concerned about the 'body'. This, I believe, is very dangerous.
Have you considered the great miracles: parting the sea, raising the dead and so on that many prophets did in the old testament? Yet, the Word that became flesh, the wisdom and the power of God, Jesus Christ of Nazareth said the greatest of them all was John the Baptist who did no 'miracle' as we would have expected. Christ regarded him as the greatest because he turned men to righteousness. So, the way we see things is unimaginably different from the way God sees it.

In conclusion, we should be more concerned about the state of our souls, the invisible form, per time... Come to think of it: no matter how attractive the packaging nylon of a loaf of bread is, none of us would eat it and cast away the bread. Why then should we embrace the body, whose future is the grave, and reject our true self, 'the soul' which is the real deal?

A note to the Ishmealites and other friends of the son of the bond woman:
Time is running out; a thousand bath cannot cleanse a soul from the stain of sin, only the blood of Christ can!

We've all heard it numerous times: "Why would a God who is all-good, all-knowing, and all-powerful allow bad things to happen to good people?" We can also turn the question around: "Why would an all-good, all-knowing, and all-powerful God allow good things to happen to bad people?" After all, while seeing good people suffer is horrible, it's not much fun seeing evil people having fun either.

It has to be said, though, that this question is sometimes asked in innocence by people with a genuine desire to understand what seems impossible to understand. Other times it's asked by people who have suffered or whose loved ones have known grief and loss. They honestly want to know: How could God let this happen to me and to mine? Why wouldn't God stop this pain and help me? After all, sometimes we experience devastating suffering. Just consider the Holocaust, the abduction and murder of a child, or the long and painful death of a kind and gentle person.

The critic of Christianity would respond that God is either not all-knowing, not all-powerful, or not all-good. I would say that the question—and even the problem—are actually more of a difficulty and a conundrum for the nonbeliever than for the Christian.

Eternity Makes the Difference

The materialist and the atheist, those who would deny God, believe that at death, all is over. Life is finished, it is done and complete; we are dust, mere food for worms. To these people, pain has no meaning other than what it is: pure, unadulterated suffering, without any redeeming purpose. To the atheist, there may be a certain formless heroism attached to the person who faces suffering with courage and without complaining. But if we are all body and flesh, and no soul and spirit, if we are mere products of a selfish gene and nothing more, one wonders why this heroism would in any way be significant.

There is, though, a greater point, and that is that the atheist is convinced that these years we spend on earth—perhaps 80 or more if we're lucky, and only a handful if we're not—are everything we have, and constitute the total human experience. Christians, on the other hand, believe that these years on earth, while important and to be used wisely and to be enjoyed, are preparation for a far greater life to come. They are, in effect, a thin ray of light from the great sunshine that is eternity and life in heaven with God. My end, as Mary Queen of Scots said it, is my beginning. And her end was at the sharp point of an axe, as she was beheaded on the orders of her half-sister, Queen Elizabeth I. Queen Mary was certain that there was an existence beyond that on earth.

Pain Awakens Us to God

While it's neurotic rather than Christian to welcome suffering, and no intelligent and comprehending Christian would welcome suffering for its own sake, the Bible actually makes it quite clear that faith in Jesus Christ does not guarantee a good life, but a perfect eternity. Indeed, there is more prediction in Scripture of a struggle on earth for the believer than there is of gain and success. There may be Christian sects that promise material wealth and all sorts of triumphs in exchange for faith, but this is a non-Christian, even an anti-Christian bargain, and has never been something that orthodox Christianity would affirm. Christians believe that this life on earth is only the land of shadows and that real life hasn't yet begun. So yes, bad things happen to good people.

Our God is "UNQUESTIONABLE" So let's be guided while making comments or observing. He is God and remains as God! He saw Stephen when he was stoned to death, even His beloved Son "Jesus Christ"...... He knows why it happened that way.

Teempakguy:


For your mind now, You have done something very brilliant. shey?

the bible is not a novel or an article to be read superficially . . .

Alright then, examine all the verses I brought out and tell me what they actually mean. Oh Brillant man of God.

I'm not a man of God. I will examine the verses alright.

And I notice you're nitpicking verses to suit you.

Why should there be ANY verses that would suit me? that's the question you should be asking yourself. why should a bible contain enough ambiguity to the extent that it can be used against itself?

The message does not suit you, that is why you're cutting out parts of it and twisting the meaning to suit your aims. Many verses in the Bible, if quoted alone can be twisted by the enemy. That does not make the Bible ambiguous.

Even if you were to read the whole message, without the guidance of the Holy Spirit, you'll still misinterprete it.

Sure, That's why with the holy spirit, Christians have managed to find 5000+ different interpretations of the bible. ergo 5000+ different denominations that are cock-sure all the other denominations are going to hell fire. For your mind now, you are making sense?

The Holy Spirit resides within The Church that is One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic. Those who broke away from The Church did not do so with the Holy Spirit's guidance. [/quote]

Lastly, some atheists should mind their words on this forum and elsewhere. Some of you are inadvertently placing curses on yourself. Science which I suppose you believe allows room for error. So create room for error in your belief that there is no supreme being and desist from directly insulting God lest He visits punishment on you in this life.
A God that cannot even protect his children from harm wants to be attacking his critics. sounds like a childish person. Go and tell your God to fulfill his currently shallow promises first, before going on a senselsess rampage over his critics.

He is not rampaging over anyone but some atheists are directly calling on His wrath. It is one thing to debate the existence of God. It is another to call him derogatory names and dare him to punish you. It's like telling your dad, " Daddy beat me, beat me. If you're real, beat me".

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This will answer you question

These are the tribulations Jesus Christ said we will experienced while we preached the gospel.

tayooluwole:
I have heard many cases of God's word preachers who have been killed, slaughtered and brutally mutilated while preaching or on other duties in respect to biblical God's commandment. Many were burnt alive while withing the church premises praying and praising God, many captured and were easily slaughtered, many were captured within their own house, raped and eventually killed and many more cases like that.

Seriously, all these occurrences left me with one critical question that has been dominating my mind for years, that why would God keep silent while such horrific murder is being unleashed on his consistent servant ? Why can't God, weather spiritually or physically, prevent such tragedy, to at least encourage other worshipers and consolidate the believe that God is truly mighty as it is being claimed. Preventing such tragedy, to me, has the efficacy of preventing many people from waking up one day and start thinking at all weather God exist or not.
Should we say our so called popular pastors, knows that there is no divine assistance they can enjoy while facing assassinating temptation and that is why most of them move all around with sophisticated security outfit...

I beg, rational whosiper should come to my rescue in answering this question ooo...

If God should tell you the reason(s) behind anything that happen to you....you ll always have cause to praise him......things of the spirit is always foolish to man.....thats d answer!!!

tayooluwole:
I have heard many cases of God's word preachers who have been killed, slaughtered and brutally mutilated while preaching or on other duties in respect to biblical God's commandment. Many were burnt alive while withing the church premises praying and praising God, many captured and were easily slaughtered, many were captured within their own house, raped and eventually killed and many more cases like that.

Seriously, all these occurrences left me with one critical question that has been dominating my mind for years, that why would God keep silent while such horrific murder is being unleashed on his consistent servant ? Why can't God, weather spiritually or physically, prevent such tragedy, to at least encourage other worshipers and consolidate the believe that God is truly mighty as it is being claimed. Preventing such tragedy, to me, has the efficacy of preventing many people from waking up one day and start thinking at all weather God exist or not.
Should we say our so called popular pastors, knows that there is no divine assistance they can enjoy while facing assassinating temptation and that is why most of them move all around with sophisticated security outfit...

I beg, rational whosiper should come to my rescue in answering this question ooo...

My dear, Jesus already said that in this world, Christians will be persecuted, thrown into prison or even be put to death. He himself was nailed on the cross. The truth is that as Christians, we do not see the world as our own. This is a land of pilgrimage. We believe there is a place called heaven, where true children of God will be forever. God receives those who die under persecution graciously. You may not understand, but if up till now, you don't believe in God, and Jesus, then I weep for your soul. Accept Jesus into your life and be saved.


Now to your other post, people have been shown a glimpse of heaven before. Read about it. A great amount of literature on that exists. If you don't believe their report, then you might as well not believe who your parents are or what your name is, or what you are taught in school, since it is also the same thing

The same reason He allowed Stephen, John the Baptist, etc. to be killed. Let's remember He is God and we can't query Him.

Kaycee7:

I'm not a man of God. I will examine the verses alright.


The message does not suit you, that is why you're cutting out parts of it and twisting the meaning to suit your aims. Many verses in the Bible, if quoted alone can be twisted by the enemy. That does not make the Bible ambiguous.


The Holy Spirit resides within The Church that is One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic. Those who broke away from The Church did not do so with the Holy Spirit's guidance.


Lastly, some atheists should mind their words on this forum and elsewhere. Some of you are inadvertently placing curses on yourself. Science which I suppose you believe allows room for error. So create room for error in your belief that there is no supreme being and desist from directly insulting God lest He visits punishment on you in this life.
A God that cannot even protect his children from harm wants to be attacking his critics. sounds like a childish person. Go and tell your God to fulfill his currently shallow promises first, before going on a senselsess rampage over his critics.
He is not rampaging over anyone but some atheists are directly calling on His wrath. It is one thing to debate the existence of God. It is another to call him derogatory names and dare him to punish you. It's like telling your dad, " Daddy beat me, beat me. If you're real, beat me".

Haha . . . you're even catholic.

My work here is done. the decision, as always, will be taken, not by the debaters, but by the audience.

tayooluwole:
I have heard many cases of God's word preachers who have been killed, slaughtered and brutally mutilated while preaching or on other duties in respect to biblical God's commandment. Many were burnt alive while withing the church premises praying and praising God, many captured and were easily slaughtered, many were captured within their own house, raped and eventually killed and many more cases like that.

Seriously, all these occurrences left me with one critical question that has been dominating my mind for years, that why would God keep silent while such horrific murder is being unleashed on his consistent servant ? Why can't God, weather spiritually or physically, prevent such tragedy, to at least encourage other worshipers and consolidate the believe that God is truly mighty as it is being claimed. Preventing such tragedy, to me, has the efficacy of preventing many people from waking up one day and start thinking at all weather God exist or not.
Should we say our so called popular pastors, knows that there is no divine assistance they can enjoy while facing assassinating temptation and that is why most of them move all around with sophisticated security outfit...

I beg, rational whosiper should come to my rescue in answering this question ooo...

are you a Christian by faith? if yes that means you don't read your bible, of all the disciple of Jesus all died painfully one was boiled in hot oil. Jesus himself died doing God's work. so he is fully aware of what is happening and he allowed it.Paul said to die is gain and to live is for Christ. if you make heaven then will realise this world is all suffering and vanity ;the Holy Bible tells me so.

tayooluwole:
I have heard many cases of God's word preachers who have been killed, slaughtered and brutally mutilated while preaching or on other duties in respect to biblical God's commandment. Many were burnt alive while withing the church premises praying and praising God, many captured and were easily slaughtered, many were captured within their own house, raped and eventually killed and many more cases like that.

Seriously, all these occurrences left me with one critical question that has been dominating my mind for years, that why would God keep silent while such horrific murder is being unleashed on his consistent servant ? Why can't God, weather spiritually or physically, prevent such tragedy, to at least encourage other worshipers and consolidate the believe that God is truly mighty as it is being claimed. Preventing such tragedy, to me, has the efficacy of preventing many people from waking up one day and start thinking at all weather God exist or not.
Should we say our so called popular pastors, knows that there is no divine assistance they can enjoy while facing assassinating temptation and that is why most of them move all around with sophisticated security outfit...

I beg, rational whosiper should come to my rescue in answering this question ooo...

Same reason God allowed His son to be crucified on the cross

Fool.... there's nothing to refute seeing that you've made no point. When you make a valid point I'll refute. If you think thousands of people who have met Jesus whose testimonies are online are liars then I'm sorry for your life.

tartar9:

When they've run out of what to say.You are yet to refute any of what I've said.Now,who have seen this your murdered god?...not a single soul.

Sorry to disappoint but don't expect everyone to be like you,to have pedophile in their midst...kindly pass the message to that your genocidal child raping crucified 'saviour';

"Now therefore kill every male among the little ones,
and kill every woman that hath known man by lying
with him
[b]But all the women children, that have not known a
man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves"
(Numbers 31:17)

[/b]

per the bolded. Those people were killed in battles. In a war it is kill or be killed.

About keeping the women, read the preceding verses and those after and you'll see that the men were commanded to take one wife each as a "Wife" and marry her legally and that is for those who were not already married because polygamy is NEVER sanctioned in Christianity.

Get well soon!

dalaman:
Christians just giving out ridiculous answers all in an attempt to speak on behalf of a God they claim knows and can do all things.

please pardon my digression.
I was in the bus today on my way to work and there were three different individuals that were dragging to preach the same word of God, they almost had a serious quarrel, but it was later settled by the rest of the passengers. the interesting thing was that they all believed that as born again Christians, preaching was their calling and no one else.
Assuming that all Christians becomes preachers...who is going to do the listening?
wouldn't they at some point interpret the Bible differently, which may create chaos among themselves.
The Op may not find a satisfying answer on here from the true Christians because it looks like he wants to make people say what they are not supposed to. but the truth and reality always happen when you leave people to their business.
According to this forum there haven't been any credible answer to ops question, and maybe there is none.

musicwriter:


South Africa isn't doing better than any other African nation. However, the only reason it appears that way is because the British invested their loots right there in South Africa, since they were not planning leaving the country.

If wealth stolen from other African nations were invested in our respective nations, some countries like Congo, Benin Republic, Ghana, Nigeria would've been the wealthiest nations on earth, not just in Africa.

Religion has little or nothing to do with our underdevelopment. Some of the most religious countries are also the wealthiest, though mostly their native religion, but its still religion.

USA = christianity
South Korea = christianity
Israel = Judaism
China = Taoism and Confucianism
Japan = Shinto and Buddhism
Germany = christianity (Angela Merkel is a christian). In fact her party is called Christian Democratic Union of Germany.

The system of education handed down to us by colonial masters (which is not education in the real sense) is the root cause of poverty in Africa.

God bless u with that last paragraph. Our leaders haven't realized the truth of this statement, not to talk of taking any steps in changing it. It's a passion of mine cos it's soooo important to everything else.

Wen u start precheeing nonsense dat God did not say.na die u go die

analice107:

How many varied accounts have been presented so far? Links?

Google Mary Baxter, Angelica Zambrano, and the seven Columbian youths who went to heaven. I tried to post links but the anti-spambot prevented me.

The answer to ur question. It could be the way God wants them to die and be called to glory, just like other apostles of old in the bible, many where killed and God was glorified, Jesus was also killed and God was glorified

UndisputedBosom:
Take your cry elsewhere "attention seeker".


There is a better life after this wicked one we are living now and is called "paradise" besides they only killed her body and not her soul which is the most important one

I love the way you embrace and protect your captivity. Keep it up. Forfeit your life on earth which is reality in anticipation on a fantasy called paradise.

Religion is they say the opium of the masses and you know how a fiend geta when you take his drug. The said preacher probably went too far saying all Muslims are going to hell and blaspheming against their religion in d name of evangelism.

Jesus Christ was killed because he was preaching and EVEN healing. was there no God then? there was and there is!!

So concentrate on running a pleasing race to God rather than this.
Believe and do your own good and leave. after death will explain it all. Even those saying that there is no God are not even sure.

Advice: why not believe in the greatest book of morals that is older than everyone currently in the world, older than the great atheists that say there is no God, older and better explaining than the scientists that say we originate from monkeys and past animals EVOLVE themselves into what they are today( TF? can you even imagine that, nigga?)

so bro, follow the Lord.

sekundosekundo:


The man is dead when he thinks that the word of God is a disturbance. @Ibime, since you don't want hear the word of God from this woman and even wish her death, you will soon hear from armed robbers after which you will compare hearing from the messengers of God and that of Satan.

Na so one of my cousin talk go dey disturb one neighbourhood at 5am. The way the boys take brush am that morning ehn.

Abeg you religious nutjobs should respect people's personal space and stop invading us with megaphones at 4.30am in the morning.

Na so the religious mumuness enter this lady, she pick megaphone dey shout at Abóki and Boko people.

your question is indeed timely but first reason wit me as u read this,1 john 5:19 says"we know that we originate with God but the whole is lying in the power of the wicked one." “It is unthinkable for the true God to act wickedly, for the Almighty to do wrong!”job 34:10 as u can see God is not a wicked God nd d world is in d power of the wicked one,so in his due time he would intervene in our matter, that's y he has assured us 2 Peter 3:9" Jehovah is not slow concerning his promise,as some people consider slowness,but he is patient with you (us) because he does not desire anyone to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance. "so no matter wat happened to his servants now though painful but the hope ahead that his kingdom would put an end to all mankind suffering, nd he would be our protector in the nearest future would give more strength to his servant to do more.let me add this brief illustration" a child was very sick,nd dis sickness has really drain this child leaving him/her in pain,but when the father took the child to the hospital the doctor said the child would undergo an operation which would b painful. The question now is would d father allow the child undergo this operation which would lead to total relief for the child? or would he allow d poor child to continue suffering d pain so as to avoid d operation cos he is scared of wat might happen during operation.well your answer is as good as mine,d father would allow d operation to b carried out. so also today,wat we face in general as servants of God is only for a time being after a while God shall surely intervene.let's not forget that his only begotten son suffered such as well,so servants of God should expect such too,but put dia faith in God that he would surely remember them in his kingdom.

Dear Tayo kindly find time to see this video,its all the answers to yur many logical questions.Christianity is 'personal',I can introduce u to Mr Jesus but the decision to become really close pally with in comes from him personlly convincing u dt He is the guy to roll wit. Therfore I pray the holy spirit reveal itself to u 'personally' n when He does do share yur testimonies wt us here @nl. Cheers n God bless

NextProdigy:
@tayooluwole the questions you ask are very valid questions that any rational thinking person would require answers to.

This 6 minute video might provide some of the answers you seek.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1780884995479933&id=1724632871105146

Cheers.

There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death. The ways of the Lord are not the ways of man. Aaaand it has only happened because God permitted it, and who is *anyone to question God.


Please, watch what you say, many are murmuring and speaking evil, aaaand of such the anger of God is upon, aaaand when the face of God is against you, you're under judgement, you can't move forward, you will be stagnant, you can't receive from Him, your prayers can't be answered, you put hand here: no way, put hand here; no way, you can't prosper. God is the One that ruleth in the kingdom of men and in the kingdom of spirits, the Author and Finisher of your faith, from Him all good things come from, He is your helper and the source of your well-being, aaaand the moment you are disconnected from your source, you will be diminishing aaaand the end thereof you already know...so please, watch what you think in your heart.

If Almighty God acted to wat we have all been doing am very certain we wud av bin all dead by now. Dis is time for judgement so dont b in haste

Thousands years later books about Harry Potter will be called AN HOLY BOOK, people will believe he was real and kill anyone who disagrees..

Teempakguy:
I'm surprised.

The entire reason she posted that was to give God a special support by claiming that since he had given man the freedom to do whatever he wishes, God was not responsible for whatever man did.

Hence, answering the question as, "God is not responsible for anything."

Her reason was free will. and I pointed out to you, that was supporting her stance, that "Free will" Does not exist in the context of the OP's question. humans harming other humans violates the principle of free will for the victim. and hence, God has to rely on some other rule for he actions in times like this.

fortunately, there is a rule he has laid down, that in times like this, he(God) would provide protection.

But he doesn't do that. he instead blindly follows the other rule, even in situations where it is not applicable. and that is actually what is being argued here.

It's really not that difficult to understand.

I give up.

Stephen was stoned to death. John the Baptist was beheaded, Jesus Christ was crucified.

I don't have a problem explaining this to a Christian but explaining to an Atheist is what I can't.

Here is 'the' answer u seek which everyone hve telling u in there respective dialect. Here is a dialect u understands. LOVE is the only reason it seems to u dt God is nt acting, He is rather patient and compelled by His LOVE to trust our decisions,to trust that we will definitely come to see the best among our many choices. The bible talks abt hw much God loves us which u v noticed, but wit love comes freewill n trust. I dnt say I love u n nt allow u mk choices,perfect love cast out fear. When He starts interfering in everytin then trust is lacking which automatically translates to no love. If u r still unable to tell wat tomorrow brings then hw can u identify which event is for good or not, haven't u heard of misses that outweighs gain? U see my friend God's only thought toward us is for good u might nt be able to connect the dots now but He can. LOVE my friend is the only inherent reason why such freedom is seen.

Teempakguy:

Haha . . . you're even catholic.

My work here is done. the decision, as always, will be taken, not by the debaters, but by the audience.

[quote author=Ibime post=47441938]

Na so one of my cousin talk go dey disturb one neighbourhood at 5am. The way the boys take brush am that morning ehn.

Abeg you religious nutjobs should respect people's personal space and stop invading us with megaphones at 4.30am in the morning.

Na so the religious mumuness enter this lady, she pick megaphone dey shout at Abóki and Boko people.[/quote

People like you prefer clubs and makosa dance in your neighborhood to hearing of the gospel. If she was killed b'cos of early morning preaching what of those killed inside church. If I hate what you are doing that means I should kill you abi.

Amberon11:
You don't know the person I quoted but I do.

Moreover, I didn't crucify their religion. Mohammed was a pedophile and a rapist. Its a known fact. All Islamic scholars know this. Its not new. Its like calling an African a black man. Nothing hypocritical there.

Faith is not all I have. I have a saviour.

They also have a savior. Abeg go siddon. Nothing makes your faith/religion better than theirs. Both religions depend on FAITH with no explanations but for you to simply have FAITH. Hence, no reason, anyone should trump the other. Abeg, come, and go, and sleep.

Amberon11:
If there's no God then where does the power of your charms come from?

Truly, the power of charms comes from God; then, it is godly to use the charms.