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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by lordfalcao(m): 11:51am On Aug 01, 2016 |
Nihilist:I have to agree with you on this one. baba was not giving enough time to impress and develop owing to the fact that he came into a new league in January... I think lots here are just judging him hately. coupled with azp been good at LB it also hampered his development and game time. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 12:03pm On Aug 01, 2016 |
Nihilist: I like the way you call Bertrand useless but, ever willing to accommodate a glorified otondo like baba. One useless expensive shyyte of a player who can't even do his primary duty to save face. How has baba been better than Ake....? Lol...bro you kinda funny sha! Once you have your mind made up there's no changing it. Please, try look into useless Bertrand time with us at 22 and tell us if we deserved to be punished with bad signings like baba. 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 12:18pm On Aug 01, 2016 |
It is funny to see how peeps are giving excuses for a supposed player who was bought to walk into the first team. A player who can't defend to save his life, not a genius at attacking either, yet we are being told he will develop. @ Nihilist, how is a LB defensive duty secondary and not primary? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by mithel(m): 12:21pm On Aug 01, 2016 |
Bertrand is useless....but was voted ahead of same Azpi(and you all know i am an Azpi fanboy) in the 2014/2015 team of the season...same season we won the league.His game time last season was hampered a lot last season due to injuries. If you hate someone,say you hate him,dont come here and say things that are not true. Heck,even Van Aanholt is better than Baba. Mourinho effed us up big time and thunder fire that emenalo for making the Bertrand deal permanent. We have spent so much on that position, its almost unbelievable 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 12:26pm On Aug 01, 2016 |
diggz: Bertrand at Baba's age was playing at Aston Villa. Baba is now at Schalke. That alone should suggest that there is something different there. Bertrand is useless. The guy that kicked him out of the team was his agemate. How can you play understudy to a guy born the same year as you? When will you get the chance to prove yourself if you're both advancing at the same rate in terms of age but not development? ![]() Baba is 22. I cannot over emphasize that. 22 years old with 4 years of professional experience. This guy is the perfect deputy both in terms of age and experience. You are the one that is disappointing yourelf because you did not hold realistic expectations from the beginning. You were expecting someone that would chase Azpi away, but the club went and bought an unfinished article. I don't think you understand that there is a massive scarcity of top 4 quality left backs right now. Look at our rivals for the top 4 - Monreal/Gibbs, Rose/Ben davies, Kolarov/Clichy, Shaw/Rojo. If if was so easy to find a quality left back, one of these guys would have found it. Even further afield in Europe, the likes of Barca(Alba), Madrid(Marcelo), Bayern(Alaba) only have one good left back each. That's why the club is looking for raw youngsters with the right exposure like baba rahman to develop. Ake is also on the developmental list but it seems his future is not at LB either. If we kept Ake to play LB, his career would stagnate because barring serious injury, he would never get the constant minutes he needs to develop. Ditto baba. And baba is even the better fullback. If you expected something better than Azpilicuata for only 14 million pounds, then you only have yourself to blame. That's the ballpark fee for average pros like Bertrand or young talents like Baba. Facts only. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 12:32pm On Aug 01, 2016 |
mithel: Bertrand is UBER useless. He made the PFA team as part of a solid defensive core for Soton that year. As soon as the likes of Clyne and Aldeirweireld bounced, the team went from being one of the tightest units around to conceding somthing like 11 goals in just 3 games. Southampton is a team where the best leave for better things year on year including both Players and Managers. Bertrand is one of the ones that aint going nowhere. He will stay there, see them come and watch them go like Dr Dre. Bertrand is useless. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 12:39pm On Aug 01, 2016 |
diggz: I just gave you several examples of wingers who were converted to fullbacks primarily to retain their attacking instincts on the pitch. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by mithel(m): 12:42pm On Aug 01, 2016 |
Nihilist: lmaoo solid defensive core abi.....in the same season where ivanovic ,cahill and terry were the rest of the defense in the team...what prevented Azpi from joining them.No defensive core??Are you implying that Ryan was the main man in the core since he was the only one who made the cut from that solid core?? ehn? And your age analogy is stoopid,so Drogba who was a late bloomer too would have been considered shyte by you or another player like payet sef. Lool same Baba that got displaced by a 19year old LW from Brazil with no knowledge of english and people were more comfortable with kenedy playing there.He should cry back to germany. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 12:53pm On Aug 01, 2016 |
mithel: The only thing stoopid here is your inability to differentiate between an analogy and a fact. Bertrand and Azpi are the same age. Fact Azpi was established first choice. Fact. How do you expect Betrand to realistically displace Azpi when he's not getting any minutes to develop? How do you expect Bertrand to get the minutes he needs when Azpi is so much better than him? PFA team inclusion is only one indicator from a multitude of indicators to show that a player is good. Asking why Azpi did not make PFA team of the year is patently stoopid when Aguero didn't make the team despite being the highest goal scorer(in fewer minutes too) that year. Arguing that Baba is was 'dispalced' by Kennedy is completely pontless because neither was a member of the first team anyway. My only point here is that Baba now has a chance to keep developing at Schalke. If he doesn't develop then we cut our losses and sell. If he does develop we either play him or sell for a profit. qed. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by mithel(m): 1:05pm On Aug 01, 2016 |
Oscar pushed Mata and De bruyne out of the team......Yup,as they cant dust oscar's left toe. ![]() Mourinho wey dey mad. no be una fault 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 1:12pm On Aug 01, 2016 |
@ Nihilist You just type plenty things to justify the uselessness of baba and yet you didn't sat much! Baba is 22years! So fvck what? He is not the second coming of Roberto Carlos, maldini or Ashley Cole so, what the fvck? Ki ni big deal? I do not understand why you still think paying a kobo for baba makes any sense at all? Same 22yrs old who couldn't nail a spot were we had peeps like aina balling in preseason and got loaned out. Sincerely speaking, baba is a cost center and a bad business! 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 1:16pm On Aug 01, 2016 |
Nihilist: Examples of peeps fantastic going forward and can do more than a decent job defending. Not one who can't attack nor defend to save his life...... 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 1:20pm On Aug 01, 2016 |
diggz: 14 million will not get you anything better than Azpi in today's market. The sooner you realise that, the less likely you are to have a heart attack. The club spent 15m on Felipe Luiz and that one too could not displace Azpilicueta. So instead of spending stoopid money on a a new left back, they decided to buy a young prospect and train him up. Thus thing isn't so difficult to grasp. Shouting he is not Roberto Carlos is completely irrelevant because nobody ever said he was. Nobody expected him to be either. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 1:24pm On Aug 01, 2016 |
diggz: Yes because it makes sense to judge Baba who played less than a 1/3rd of all available matches during the worst Chelsea season for over 20 years. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 1:28pm On Aug 01, 2016 |
afrodoc2: lol. . . the keyword being Ghanaman |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 1:30pm On Aug 01, 2016 |
Nihilist: No need rehashing what we've already been through. Emenalo na big phuck up. A former leftback wey no fit scout leftbacks. Incompetence is his middle name. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 1:32pm On Aug 01, 2016 |
Ibime: ![]() I don know say you go soon come. The peoples champ. Again let's ignore the verbatim words from players and coaches and blame Emenalo. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 1:35pm On Aug 01, 2016 |
Baba is a car crash footballer. You watch him and wince, and hide your eyes behind your hand. How anyone can see anything good in that clown is beyond me. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 1:57pm On Aug 01, 2016 |
Baba Rahman, a £22m signing needs to go on loan to get minutes. ![]() Nathan Ake, who proved himself last season also needs to go on loan and get minutes. Do we have to spend another £20m on a leftback as backup to Azpi? Great logic there! Azpi who incidentally is also needed at rightback in the absence of a decent rightback? Nihilist the more you keep talking, the less sense you keep making. Sometimes you just have to sit back and take the L. . . . The Real Story is this. . . . As reported last season, some Chelsea board members are starting to question Emenalo, pointing to the fact his last two big money signings (Cuadrado and Rahman) have been mega flops. You should have seen how touchy Emenalo got when questioned on Cuadrado last season. A TD is judged on his signings. If you make too many big money duds, you eventually lose your job. Emenalo tried to play a fast one to park Nathan Ake away from Chelsea, to give his big money signing Baba Rahman ample opportunity to recover his value, so he doesn't look bad. What Emenalo didn't reckon with is that Baba Rahman is utter shyte, and it only took 2 weeks for Conte to figure it out and spoil his plans. In the meantime, the club have lost the use of Ake, who could have either served as back-up to Azpi, or potentially taken the position himself, allowing Azpi to take the rightback position. That is the story, simple and plain. Emenalo strikes again. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 2:10pm On Aug 01, 2016 |
Ibime: Your story is interesting of course, especially because it requires you disbelieve the words that came out of Nathan Ake's own mouth. We are talking about football here, not a Jame's Hadley Chase novel. Your conspiracy theories put even The DaVinci Code to shame. WT actual F? ![]() Even IF we kept Ake to play at LB, he would have only been a backup player. Azpi is our best Left Back. Sadly he doesn't appear to be as good on the right meaning that the only open space right now is for right backs. Baba has to play to get minutes. Ake has to play to get minutes. With Azpi around they WON'T get those minutes. That's just the fact. Even if you argue that Baba was rubbish, can you reasonably say without prejudice that Felipe Luis is rubbish as well? If Felipe Luiz cannot displace Azpi, or push him to the right, doesn't that tell you how good Azpilicueta actually is? The only space available at LB is for a benchwarmer, a left back equivalent of Mikel, someone who is willing to just stagnate on the bench for most of the season and be content with a couple of run outs a year. That's just the simple fact. And the club is unwilling to waste neither Baba nor Ake in that position. Facts only |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 2:28pm On Aug 01, 2016 |
Nihilist: I have already showed that Ake has not spoken to Conte, and the only communication he had was with Emenalo. I showed that Ake knows nothing about whether Conte sanctioned his move or not, Ake said he BELIEVES Emenalo will speak to Conte. No need rehashing the old argument. Please tell us who is Chelsea's current right back, Chelsea's current left back and their back-ups, and stop telling us stories. When Ake was sent on loan, you told us it's because Baba is better. Now Baba has been discarded, you are telling us it's because Azpi is better, and we only need a Mikel at left-back ![]() ![]() ![]() Keep making it up as you go along. ![]() As you keep digging, your hole is getting bigger! 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Griffon(m): 2:29pm On Aug 01, 2016 |
Beht I'm glad to see Rahman leave na. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 2:35pm On Aug 01, 2016 |
Nihilist: Hope you realise azi is not known for his attacking prowess? He is known for not letting people pass him on the left flank. However, just because you desperately wanted to justify the shyyyytttie ghanianmans position in the team, you claimed defensive duties are secondary. Nihilist, luiz was miles ahead of azi attack wise but poor defensively compared to azi.... Who featured more for mou? Yes! Azi....... So you can't justify buying baba rahman @ 22 so we could loan him out to develop him .when we should or could have given that space to a player from the youth! @ a zero cost to the team and club! Secondly, if your guy is poor defensively and useless going forward @ 22years, what makes you feel he will suddenly develop the basic defensive or attacking boots to fit in CFC or command a reasonable fee... When na blackman he be from Ghana and not British? Either way you decide to see this, baba na complete waste of money and space.. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 2:39pm On Aug 01, 2016 |
Ibime: You did not show anything. You only gave your interpretation of his statement based on the use of the phrase 'I think'. You must have missed the interview Ake gave when he said "I think I am a midfielder". I'm guessing he doesn't really know where he plays either. That press conference was reported live on the BBC website and this is how they interpreted it: New Chelsea boss Antonio Conte is behind the idea of a midfield role for the Netherlands Under-21 international. So no nigga, you did not show nada. All you did was try to twist the very clear words of of the player himself just so that you can attack Emenalo again. I don't now why a footballer who believes that his manager wants him to go on loan would be less clued up about his own affairs and career, than Ibime on Nairaland. ![]() Please tell us who is Chelsea's current right back, Chelsea's current left back and their back-ups, and stop telling us stories. This one isn't even up for debate. Azpiliueta is our best left back. He has seen off competition from Ashley Cole, Felipe Luiz, Bertrand and now Baba. In pre-season, He has been playing at LB with Aina at RB, and this is despite the fact that Aina can play left back o. As usual you would refuse to answer any question that threatens the Anti Emenalo narrative - Is Filipe Luiz as rubbish as Baba? Why did he not move Azpi to the right. You're the one who keeps making things up bro. We do facts only. Facts. ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 2:54pm On Aug 01, 2016 |
diggz: I think you want to argue for the sake of argument. Iva for example was only in team for what he could bring to attack, and not because of what he could do defensively because he was\is crap. Generally speaking, defensive ability is less important for a fullback. I mean I just gave you a quote from bellerin who pointed out that when he started playing at RB he couldn't defend. So I'm not exactly sure what point you keep trying to make. Nihilist, luiz was miles ahead of azi attack wise but poor defensively compared to azi.... Who featured more for mou? Yes! Azi....... because Azpi is better overall than Luiz. Fact. Ivanovic was leaking goals on the other wing so it's not like Luiz couldn't push Azpilicuate to the right if he had the ability to. He didn't so he didnt. So you can't justify buying baba rahman @ 22 so we could loan him out to develop him .when we should or could have given that space to a player from the youth! @ a zero cost to the team and club! We bought Courtois for just a few million less than Baba and loaned him out. Courtois aged 22 was on loan. Lukaku aged 22 was on loan and he cost more than baba. Victor Moses cost roughly around the same as Baba and was sent on loan at 22. Mo Salah cost roughly around the same price as Baba and was loaned out at 22. I'm sure there's a point in your statement somewhere, but I actually can't seem to find it. Secondly, if your guy is poor defensively and useless going forward @ 22years, what makes you feel he will suddenly develop the basic defensive or attacking boots to fit in CFC or command a reasonable fee... When na blackman he be from Ghana and not British? sorry what? ![]() Either way you decide to see this, baba na complete waste of money and space.. That actually remains to be seen. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 2:56pm On Aug 01, 2016 |
Nihilist: Ivanovic had a good season on the right so no need for Felipe Luis to push him to the right. Who do we have on the right this season? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 3:02pm On Aug 01, 2016 |
Nihilist: Ake loan is justified because Baba is better than him 4 weeks later. . . . Nihilist: It is only right for Baba to go on loan because Azpi is better than him. Ola Aina can take the RB spot and can even play right-back (but Ake is not ready to get minutes ![]() Nihilist: Baba is a good player. Defensive side of the game doesn't matter. Nihilist: Nobody can compete with Azpi on the left side. The nigga is just too good. diggz: It's a good decision to send Ake on loan because he won't get minutes but Chalobah is already getting minutes in Ake's midfield position, and Ola Aina is getting minutes in Ake's fullback position. How those LMFAO singers put am. . . . Wiggle, Wiggle, Wiggle, Wiggle, Yeah! This nigga sabi wiggle ehn ![]() ![]() ![]() #factsonly 8 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 3:03pm On Aug 01, 2016 |
Nihilist: The bolded above is actually misleading bros. You are making it look like azi met a Cole in his 20s and saw him off. It is totally wrong bros....... The luiz you keep repeating azi saw off is not completely true bros. Mou is well none for be more pro-defend than attack. This is someone who sold robben and bought malouda bros.... Azi can never lace luiz boots attack wise but was better defensively and was obviously preferred by mou. You are definitely overstating or exaggerating this! You have made your position on Bertrand very clear but, how you arrived at it is kinda questionable bros..... |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by lordfalcao(m): 3:09pm On Aug 01, 2016 |
I don't understand this desperation to sign lukaku.. . With 80million we can steal lacazette and icardi.. . 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 3:13pm On Aug 01, 2016 |
Nihilist: Please how much was Baba bought? I know the following: Courtois - £7m Lukaku - £13m Victor Moses - £9m Mo Salah - £11m And Baba Rahman for £21.7m So wetin the above come mean? 4 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 3:16pm On Aug 01, 2016 |
Ibime: Actually, this is what Nihilist said exactly 4 weeks ago to the day. #Facts Nihilist: next.. Nihilist: It is only right for Baba to go on loan because Azpi is better than him. Ola Aina can take the RB spot and can even play right-back (but Ake is not ready to get minutes grin) Well, this is a fact. It's a good decision to send Ake on loan because he won't get minutes but Chalobah is already getting minutes in Ake's midfield position, and Ola Aina is getting minutes in Ake's fullback position. Why don't you let Chalobah get actual minutes before you make such a bold claim. Unless preseason now counts as 'minutes'. Stick to the #facts like nihilist. How those LMFAO singers put am. . . . That's the effect of a lifetime of opa eyin and sepe. ![]() Facts. Facts . Facts. Ibime gimme better 808 beat abeg. I need to drop some future style fact related bars. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 3:17pm On Aug 01, 2016 |
Ibime: baba was bought for 14m...which could rise to 22 in addons. Lets stick to the facts only bruv. ![]() |
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