EgunMogaji:


Thats not a reflection on me. It's a reflection on the Nigerian building industry and they all combined should be ashamed.

RichYoungRuler is one of the few that earned my respect for using technology on his builds.

well true, wen U wish automation prices sky rocket and cost goes up the roof.true reflection or sincerity well that's another Big question.

EgunMogaji:


We in Yoruba say "the stick wey we no want make e shook us for eye, na for afar we dey look am"

erico2k2:

well true, wen U wish automation prices sky rocket and cost goes up the roof.true reflection or sincerity well that's another Big question.

Cost will only go through the roof because of Nigerians greed and inefficiency.

The cost should be amortized over several projects and there are savings based on efficiency.

wanaj0:


Ideas is never lacking. However, when people you deal with are not TRUSTWORTHY then you have problems. Almost everyone is out to swindle you or milk you dry.

You mentioned Adeola, I doubt he is the brightest among his peers. However in terms of INTEGRITY, he is above most of his contemporaries. How many of the new age bankers have such 'integrity'?

I love engaging in intelligent discussions like this.

One of the ills of this country is TRUST issue and it is eroding a lot of goods from us. We can't even trust the system not only the people.

But before now (during the 56k dialup years and analogue telephones), I used to think a lot of things are impossible in Nigeria. In fact, I used to think they're only possible abroad until the Internet came and the whole world became a connected community.

There'll always be a clog in the wheel of progress. There'll always be square peg in a round hole but when the system is well designed you can always separate the wheat from the chaff.

Take a cue from the banking industry, gone are the days of mind-boggling frauds. Nowadays, everything is in the open. There's almost no hiding place.

Now the question I'll like to ask is how do you think Chinese survive in this environment. They owned a lot of businesses here and they're doing good.
There's control and they didn't go to sleep with the negative mindset of "people will milk you dry."

They were up to something and are ready to do everything to make it come to fruition. A can-do attitude.

________
Fola Adeola saw a good business proposal from a diasporan (Funke) and they did the maths and came up with a good system that will sell the business.
They knew their challenges and did everything to make people see the difference.

Why will Mainone go into promos when they're not a last mile ISP? They knew there will be problem with ISPs reaching there customers and blames may be shifted on the backbone so they decided to give people a direct taste of what real broadband service looks like.
The integrity of the Chairman and the CEO is one thing but it is nothing if you do not have a good understanding of your local market and how to get it served the professional way.

Till date, Fola Adeola and Funke Opeke are still dealing with the people (the same people the Chinese are using) to do the job. The difference is the system and the processes.

_________
Co-creation Hub is another one.

Retiring in naija is out of the equation for me,believe me and don't hate me if I tell you how much I hate NIGERIA,the country where nothing work.

I will retire to a Spanish island or to south of France,with investments here in Ireland and USA,I've tried to do many things right in naija,but all was futile,bro diordave has good intentions but nig systems may exhaust it all e.g relatives,thieves,scammers,jealous neighbours and many more,then talk about gov policies where it's all made up as they go.

I have an uncle that did everything as diordave stated,this guy even had shipping line back in the 80s with so many estates,but today this guy is poorer than the poorest person here today.

So it's all well and good in theory but in reality it's a different kettle of fish.

Own two or three houses here or even a B&B and you will retire like a king.

Visit niaja every now and then if you wish,God please forgive me for not going back to live in naija,I've invested so much in nig,that each time I think about it am full of regrets.

Am opening a thread for a project am in involved in over here,watch out for it.#comingsoon.

euromilion:
Retiring in naija is out of the equation for me,believe me and don't hate me if I tell you how much I hate NIGERIA,the country where nothing work.

I will retire to a Spanish island or to south of France,with investments here in Ireland and USA,I've tried to do many things right in naija,but all was futile,bro diordave has good intentions but nig systems may exhaust it all e.g relatives,thieves,scammers,jealous neighbours and many more,then talk about gov policies where it's all made up as they go.

I have an uncle that did everything as diordave stated,this guy even had shipping line back in the 80s with so many estates,but today this guy is poorer than the poorest person here today.

So it's all well and good in theory but in reality it's a different kettle of fish.

Own two or three houses here or even a B&B and you will retire like a king.

Visit niaja every now and then if you wish,God please forgive me for not going back to live in naija,I've invested so much in nig,that each time I think about it am full of regrets.

Am opening a thread for a project am in involved in over here,watch out for it.#comingsoon.

I've got stories like that from family friends.

One of my sisters ran into an old schoolmate at Houston airport. Basically the school mate was returning to us to start over after Nigeria killed their dreams and her husband.

For 1 successful returnee there's maybe 3 that didn't make it.

I'll never put all my eggs in the Nigerian basket, never.

euromilion:
Retiring in naija is out of the equation for me,believe me and don't hate me if I tell you how much I hate NIGERIA,the country where nothing work.

I will retire to a Spanish island or to south of France,with investments here in Ireland and USA,I've tried to do many things right in naija,but all was futile,bro diordave has good intentions but nig systems may exhaust it all e.g relatives,thieves,scammers,jealous neighbours and many more,then talk about gov policies where it's all made up as they go.

I have an uncle that did everything as diordave stated,this guy even had shipping line back in the 80s with so many estates,but today this guy is poorer than the poorest person here today.

So it's all well and good in theory but in reality it's a different kettle of fish.

Own two or three houses here or even a B&B and you will retire like a king.

Visit niaja every now and then if you wish,God please forgive me for not going back to live in naija,I've invested so much in nig,that each time I think about it am full of regrets.

Am opening a thread for a project am in involved in over here,watch out for it.#comingsoon.

hmm,that's a refreshing look from another angle but why a Spanish island or south of France.

msogunro:


A couple questions sir.

Can building plans be reused for registration?

Can I register a different building plan at a later date if I change my mind?

Did you buy your farm land in Ibadan direct from the owner or through an agent? I recently bought my first pice of land and I was shocked to find out that agents get 10% of the purchase price. If you bought direct from the owner do you know if he has more acres for sale?

If you register one plan and you don't build anything on the land after two years or so, the plan expires. So you can register a new plan. But with the survey is a different thing. The surveyor will tell you that the land has already been surveyed and duly registered, so you need to go through the due process of replacing the survey. So if it's an encroachment, this is where the wahala starts?

I bought from the community head, but despite, you still give "commission" to your go-between and sometimes, that your go-between may end up being your Man Friday.

I am not sure there are more land available for this particular community head. I think he has sold all he has but other community heads in the area might have one or two here and there.

3strikes:
Diordave one can never go wrong with acquiring lands o. I just dey gbadun all your comments.


You know if you start making your comments with colorful crayons, you can easily pass for Lastpage

You don dey find trouble abi?

diordaves:


You don dey find trouble abi?

Not really . I mean you write so well.


Anyways my own retirement plan na to go back to naija and start church o. Make I dey rake in tithes, offering and prophet offering / first fruits every sunday. How can you go wrong with that?



I forget to add say I go dey sell prayer stones and oil too....

Running out of the thread now...

3strikes:


Not really . I mean you write so well.


Anyways my own retirement plan na to go back to naija and start church o. Make I dey rake in tithes, offering and prophet offering / first fruits every sunday. How can you go wrong with that?



I forget to add say I go dey sell prayer stones and oil too....

Running out of the thread now...

holy water nkooo? lol

erico2k2:

holy water nkooo? lol

That one sef dey o. Abeg dey find me land for warri / ph side for our branches.

Everybody go come dey call me daddy.

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Not really . I mean you write so well.


Anyways my own retirement plan na to go back to naija and start church o. Make I dey rake in tithes, offering and prophet offering / first fruits every sunday. How can you go wrong with that?

That's was my first retirement plan,but had change of mind.

Good idea though.

abouzaid:
hmm,that's a refreshing look from another angle but why a Spanish island or south of France.

Sunshine all year round and nice and easy life for pensioners with good health care.

3strikes:


That one sef dey o. Abeg dey find me land for warri / ph side for our branches.

Everybody go come dey call me daddy.

Warri & ph? Naa militants go full your church oooo, our blood dey hot from that region. As you dey collect the collectibles, dem dey by the side to collect thier own share if not naa to kidnap you.

itswell1:

Warri & ph? Naa militants go full your church oooo, our blood dey hot from that region. As you dey collect the collectibles, dem dey by the side to collect thier own share if not naa to kidnap you.

Him go drop DEVE, cos eye wey see much shop cos na co-operation make rice full pot

Should we be taking lessons from a fraud now ?

n3xt:


I love engaging in intelligent discussions like this.

One of the ills of this country is TRUST issue and it is eroding a lot of goods from us. We can't even trust the system not only the people.

But before now (during the 56k dialup years and analogue telephones), I used to think a lot of things are impossible in Nigeria. In fact, I used to think they're only possible abroad until the Internet came and the whole world became a connected community.

There'll always be a clog in the wheel of progress. There'll always be square peg in a round hole but when the system is well designed you can always separate the wheat from the chaff.

Take a cue from the banking industry, gone are the days of mind-boggling frauds. Nowadays, everything is in the open. There's almost no hiding place.

Now the question I'll like to ask is how do you think Chinese survive in this environment. They owned a lot of businesses here and they're doing good.
There's control and they didn't go to sleep with the negative mindset of "people will milk you dry."

They were up to something and are ready to do everything to make it come to fruition. A can-do attitude.

________
Fola Adeola saw a good business proposal from a diasporan (Funke) and they did the maths and came up with a good system that will sell the business.
They knew their challenges and did everything to make people see the difference.

Why will Mainone go into promos when they're not a last mile ISP? They knew there will be problem with ISPs reaching there customers and blames may be shifted on the backbone so they decided to give people a direct taste of what real broadband service looks like.
The integrity of the Chairman and the CEO is one thing but it is nothing if you do not have a good understanding of your local market and how to get it served the professional way.

Till date, Fola Adeola and Funke Opeke are still dealing with the people (the same people the Chinese are using) to do the job. The difference is the system and the processes.

_________
Co-creation Hub is another one.

Where is Mr or is it Mrs Lastpage?

Why the silence? This retirement topic no dey interest her or him?

euromilion:


Sunshine all year round and nice and easy life for pensioners with good health care.

South of France is nice, but i doubt one can live there comfortably with a low retirement pot

You can also consider making fake documents. That's how people like Bosun are able to eat 3 square meals a times

3strikes:


Not really . I mean you write so well.


Anyways my own retirement plan na to go back to naija and start church o. Make I dey rake in tithes, offering and prophet offering / first fruits every sunday. How can you go wrong with that?



I forget to add say I go dey sell prayer stones and oil too....

Running out of the thread now...

EgunMogaji:


I've got stories like that from family friends.

One of my sisters ran into an old schoolmate at Houston airport. Basically the school mate was returning to us to start over after Nigeria killed their dreams and her husband.

For 1 successful returnee there's maybe 3 that didn't make it.

I'll never put all my eggs in the Nigerian basket, never.

I hear you bro.

We sometimes even forget that our own immune system has changed,especially for those such as bro egun,hajji and others that has left since the 80s,are you ready to be taking malaria medicine and other tropical disease vaccines for the rest of your life?and then talk about mechanics,they'll make you want to be changing cars every year,due to incompetencies,then lasma,vio and others,believe me these guys alone can frustrate you,that you'll want the next available flight back asap.

To be honest,I would not wish NIGERIA to my worst enemy,talkless of wanting my children there.

You see, I can relate to some of what you have said. I have had my fair share. Starting with Bosun which we all know about.

However I would not write Nija off completely, I think it's good not to put all your eggs in one basket. I think it would be good to share with us some of the business plans that hasn't gone so well in Nija, just so we can all learn.

Remember how all my conversations especially with my build is all in writing and see how it has come to help get to the bottom of matters.

euromilion:
Retiring in naija is out of the equation for me,believe me and don't hate me if I tell you how much I hate NIGERIA,the country where nothing work.

I will retire to a Spanish island or to south of France,with investments here in Ireland and USA,I've tried to do many things right in naija,but all was futile,bro diordave has good intentions but nig systems may exhaust it all e.g relatives,thieves,scammers,jealous neighbours and many more,then talk about gov policies where it's all made up as they go.

I have an uncle that did everything as diordave stated,this guy even had shipping line back in the 80s with so many estates,but today this guy is poorer than the poorest person here today.

So it's all well and good in theory but in reality it's a different kettle of fish.

Own two or three houses here or even a B&B and you will retire like a king.

Visit niaja every now and then if you wish,God please forgive me for not going back to live in naija,I've invested so much in nig,that each time I think about it am full of regrets.

Am opening a thread for a project am in involved in over here,watch out for it.#comingsoon.

mavverick:


South of France is nice, but i doubt one can live there comfortably with a low retirement pot

With my two or three houses in Dublin,each earning me over 20k€ per annum plus my shares and other investment in USA,my retirement will be fantastatic,however,everyone is entitled to state pension of €220-€250 per week over here.

South of France is doable for me as am only in my thirties and I have few good investments here already and some in nig which am trying to liquidate for the purpose of re-investing in fertile and saver haven,having said that,the Spanish island eg lanzarote,Tenerife,Malaga and many more can give anyone a comfortable retirement.

mavverick:
You see, I can relate to some of what you have said. I have had my fair share. Starting with Bosun which we all know about.

However I would not write Nija off completely, I think it's good not to put all your eggs in one basket. I think it would be good to share with us some of the business plans that hasn't gone so well in Nija, just so we can all learn.

Remember how all my conversations especially with my build is all in writing and see how it has come to help get to the bottom of matters.

Bros mention the biz in naija I've tried it,from transportation biz to shop biz,even importations,the one that hurt me most are the properties and stocks(NSE).

I've given up,telling me to consider investment in Nigeria is like preaching to the choir.

Will I be right on saying that all these businesses were conducted without yourself on ground personally ? I personally would not recomend anyone run any business in Nigeria without being present, ordinary to build house self, see what can happen when you entrust yourself to thieving son of b*stards.

If that is the case, then I am not surprised and its a too familiar tale. Did you think that if I was in Nigeria in person and I engaged Bosun, did you think he would get away with a third of what he did ? Trust me, the complain about calling his wife is small, even his wife self go come NL to lament ! Trust me, she will not send Bosun that errand.

euromilion:

Bros mention the biz in naija I've tried it,from transportation biz to shop biz,even importations,the one that hurt me most are the properties and stocks(NSE).

I've given up,telling me to consider investment in Nigeria is like preaching to the choir.

Trust me bro, its not cheap o. Maybe me dey look at am as a tourist rather than a local. I usually stay between Nice and Cannes. No way near Nice town itself as its too busy for me, I prefer the fishing villages closer to Antibes and If i wan ride boat, I go closer to Nice.

How about the BTL tax hikes, I guess it doesnt aply to you guys in the republic, and the countless regulations that landlords in England have to put up with, dem don turn landlords to immigration officials self.

20K for 2/3 houses, is that your yields/profits etc ? Whats the housing demand like in Dublin ? State pension in England if i am not mistaken isnt up to £150 a week or so. Those spanish Islands get Ok retirement, as a lot of Brits live there, who knows what will happen post Brexit after article 50 gets triggered.

For me na that comfy retirement travelling around the world, and improving my skipper skills (boats) dey do me. Also important to have a pad, I dont want to be squatting in anyone's house, and where I for park my future boat ?

euromilion:


With my two or three houses in Dublin,each earning me over 20k€ per annum plus my shares and other investment in USA,my retirement will be fantastatic,however,everyone is entitled to state pension of €220-€250 per week over here.

South of France is doable for me as am only in my thirties and I have few good investments here already and some in nig which am trying to liquidate for the purpose of re-investing in fertile and saver haven,having said that,the Spanish island eg lanzarote,Tenerife,Malaga and many more can give anyone a comfortable retirement.

Lastpage where are you .age is the devils real dirty joke on us. I feel Just as young on the inside as I ever did.but the mirror and pain tell me different. If you know about this retirement wouldn't scare anyone ' because you have your kids to start from where you've stopped . Agarawu pls come n share your retirement plans . Egunmojagi is leading , mavverick is still including the money bosun is owing him as his retirement investment but it's non of my business .

^^^^^^
Mental home, you have a client here. Come and carry them before they escape again

euromilion:


I hear you bro.

We sometimes even forget that our own immune system has changed,especially for those such as bro egun,hajji and others that has left since the 80s,are you ready to be taking malaria medicine and other tropical disease vaccines for the rest of your life?and then talk about mechanics,they'll make you want to be changing cars every year,due to incompetencies,then lasma,vio and others,believe me these guys alone can frustrate you,that you'll want the next available flight back asap.

To be honest,I would not wish NIGERIA to my worst enemy,talkless of wanting my children there.

You don't just abandon ship into naija. I've been increasing my time on the ground.

I do 3weeks 2 times a year now. Next year will be full months.

My employer has a fantastic healthcare for retirees but the kicker is Atlanta is the closest non emergency facility but they cover emergency anywhere in the world.

It requires great planning and foresight.

n3xt:


I love engaging in intelligent discussions like this.

One of the ills of this country is TRUST issue and it is eroding a lot of goods from us. We can't even trust the system not only the people.

But before now (during the 56k dialup years and analogue telephones), I used to think a lot of things are impossible in Nigeria. In fact, I used to think they're only possible abroad until the Internet came and the whole world became a connected community.

There'll always be a clog in the wheel of progress. There'll always be square peg in a round hole but when the system is well designed you can always separate the wheat from the chaff.

Take a cue from the banking industry, gone are the days of mind-boggling frauds. Nowadays, everything is in the open. There's almost no hiding place.

Now the question I'll like to ask is how do you think Chinese survive in this environment. They owned a lot of businesses here and they're doing good.
There's control and they didn't go to sleep with the negative mindset of "people will milk you dry."

They were up to something and are ready to do everything to make it come to fruition. A can-do attitude.

________
Fola Adeola saw a good business proposal from a diasporan (Funke) and they did the maths and came up with a good system that will sell the business.
They knew their challenges and did everything to make people see the difference.

Why will Mainone go into promos when they're not a last mile ISP? They knew there will be problem with ISPs reaching there customers and blames may be shifted on the backbone so they decided to give people a direct taste of what real broadband service looks like.
The integrity of the Chairman and the CEO is one thing but it is nothing if you do not have a good understanding of your local market and how to get it served the professional way.

Till date, Fola Adeola and Funke Opeke are still dealing with the people (the same people the Chinese are using) to do the job. The difference is the system and the processes.

_________
Co-creation Hub is another one.

The Chinese invest a lot in technology and IT to have this control. Tell a Nigerian business man and he will tell you that it is a waste of money to invest in IT and that manual process can do it. It is when he is milked dry that his eyes will now open but by then, it will be too late.

what i can't just understand is why somebody living in a sane and safer society like Ireland, Europe, north America etc would even retire to this hell hole, forgive my ignorance but i won't hesitate to leave this country without looking back if i have the slightest chance, i still regret lost opportunities for a first degree abroad and I'm try to understand why this folks can't move to more affordable parts of their adopted countries and spend their retirement in peace.

"Where success is concerned, people are not measured in inches, or pounds, or college degrees, or family background; they are measured by the size of their thinking."

Here are some thing to reflect on when pursuing a successful retirement in any part of the world.

- Am I thinking beyond myself and my little world so that I process ideas with a holistic perspective?

- Am I dedicated to removing distractions and mental clutter so that I can concentrate with clarity on the real issue?

- Am I ready to break out of my box of limitations?

The interesting part of this discussion is that this topic (retirement) is a known evil that will be befall each and everyone of us. The way we respond to it determines our tomorrow. I know some people spend more time planning summer vacations than planning their lives. They must blame everything apart from themselves for their failure.

Most people go to conferences, seminars and even worked in fortune 100 companies, yet nothing happens when they get into the real world.
Why? They do not reflect on the lessons learnt. That's if they even care to learn anything.