Demainman1:


Rights?

One lawyer is asking for 150k per tenant to go to court. That is 450k meanwhile rent is 250k per year.

The agent said it could take up to 2 years to finally eject the tenants. That is two years of no rent for my guy

Who get rights for Nigeria sef?

That situation pass my pentium processing ability.
And our judiciary process can be very slow..

In my Book,I might be wrong though,Reasons You wont Want to go back to Nigeria
1.No kpali
2.Not enough Money
3.Not lived Long enough abroad
4.U boasted 2 much n U reach 9ja and the guys U boasted to have Duplexes,kids and off the hook SUVs and U have suit case speaking big English like Sup G wa gwaaan
5.No family base back in 9ja, no structural plan.
feel free to add urs.

This is the confusing thing. It would be nice to know what the actual tenancy law states for Lagos state at least, I dont think individual tenancy agreement cant supersede the actual state/federal law, it may take precedent over certain matters where the tenancy law is missing or not present or where the law does not specifically cover that area. Take for example the issue of pets, state law may not want to get into the arguments of whether a tenant should be allowed to keep pets, however a landlord has the right to for example say that "In my house oo, no pets or animals (dogs, chicken, leopards etc). simples" or perhaps no use of prayer stones as Bosun Shoyoye knows too well about this.

It is true that you cannot just walk up to a tenants house and simply evict them, its like opening oneself to a lot of legal ramifications, however I have seen an agreement whereby it says that as long as notice to quit is served etc, if the tenant refuses to pay after 6 months, the landlord can take possession even without a court order.

gbadexy:

The tenancy law I think states that a tenant should be given 6 months to look for a new accommodation. You just can't up and eject a tenant no matter the situation.
I think it all boils down to the agreement made. I should think such agreement would supercede any tenancy law.

There may be more o, some people have Pali + money and fit almost all the criteria you stated below etc (lived abroad for 30+ years some even born in London self). But maybe they just do not want to live in Nija in its current state for one reason or the other (electricity, security, people using Jazz on one another etc). I know a few people like that, the thought of moving back to Nija in the current climate is like asking someone to take a dip inside a hot volcano.

How would you feel is you find out that a biz partner is using Jazz against you for example ?

erico2k2:
In my Book,I might be wrong though,Reasons You wont Want to go back to Nigeria
1.No kpali
2.Not enough Money
3.Not lived Long enough abroad
4.U boasted 2 much n U reach 9ja and the guys U boasted to have Duplexes,kids and Hot SUV and U have suit case speaking big English like Sup G wa gwaaan
5.No family base back in 9ja, no structural plan.
feel free to add urs.

erico2k2:
In my Book,I might be wrong though,Reasons You wont Want to go back to Nigeria
1.No kpali
2.Not enough Money
3.Not lived Long enough abroad
4.U boasted 2 much n U reach 9ja and the guys U boasted to have Duplexes,kids and Hot SUV and U have suit case speaking big English like Sup G wa gwaaan
5.No family base back in 9ja, no structural plan.
feel free to add urs.

Right on the money!

Egun
By the Grace of God sha, who knows.
But how do you want me to be transporting this to the harbour all the time, abi you expect me to be borrowing Bosun's Mack truck abi make i seize am cover hin debt ? Then, if this is being towed on the road, do you know how many lanes i go dey block ? I also guess whoever is towing this on the road will be a marked man, as the whole world would think he's a billionaire and thief fit come. Its like a show off, although that may not be ones intention.


I for like something smaller that I can be looking at from upstairs when parked downstairs, so nobody can put prayer stones inside or steal it.

EgunMogaji:


You need something like this to be called a Skipper of the HMS Mavverick

Sounds really dire.
If you were in his shoes, what would you do or do differently ?

Demainman1:


Rights?

One lawyer is asking for 150k per tenant to go to court. That is 450k meanwhile rent is 250k per year.

The agent said it could take up to 2 years to finally eject the tenants. That is two years of no rent for my guy

Who get rights for Nigeria sef?

mavverick:
There may be more o, some people have Pali + money and fit almost all the criteria you stated below etc (lived abroad for 30+ years some even born in London self). But maybe they just do not want to live in Nija in its current state for one reason or the other (electricity, security, people using Jazz on one another etc). I know a few people like that, the thought of moving back to Nija in the current climate is like asking someone to take a dip inside a hot volcano.

How would you feel is you find out that a biz partner is using Jazz against you for example ?

quick question for you, if you won the lottery and have £1M would you be bothered about the current situation of Nigeria?

mavverick:
Sounds really dire.
If you were in his shoes, what would you do or do differently ?

Burn down the house

Na joke I dey o.

In fact I am not sure what I will do. I asked a question before, who has rights in Nigeria?

Nigeria is a country where someone will see A and say it is B and neither you nor me will be able to do anything about it.

Na battle all the time. Your tenants may even go spiritual and diabolic for you sef.

E be like say I really they paint a dire scenario mehn!!

Not really, but as I still get folks back home I go worry small oo.
But I bet if word gets out that person won £1M, people will be swamping person for handouts oo...

erico2k2:

quick question for you, if you won the lottery and have £1M would you be bothered about the current situation of Nigeria?

I think its a dire scenario, but it happens all day long and one has to be prepared to handle these things. See as Bosun go bury juju for client site. Imagine what he will do for his landlord when he's as broke as he is right now.

We have various pros in the house, this would be been a good time to hear from a qualified legal expert, LastPage wey dey claim big man abi na big woman and knows people in high places or whatever, these are the kind questions you for dey answer with your highly placed contacts. Not looking for yeye British passport and bringing out your crayons.

By the way, attached is the Lagos state tenancy law as amended in 2011. But imagine, the law does not apply to certain areas and guess what Bourdillon road is in Ikoyi abi, near Falomo bridge, it doesnt apply to Ikoyi, VI, Apapa, Ikeja GRA. Are you seeing a pattern, so Jogavan self no an dey chase tenant ?

Demainman1:


Burn down the house

Na joke I dey o.

In fact I am not sure what I will do. I asked a question before, who has rights in Nigeria?

Nigeria is a country where someone will see A and say it is B and neither you nor me will be able to do anything about it.

Na battle all the time. Your tenants may even go spiritual and diabolic for you sef.

E be like say I really they paint a dire scenario mehn!!

mavverick:
Not really, but as I still get folks back home I go worry small oo.
But I bet if word gets out that person won £1M, people will be swamping person for handouts oo...

Thats why you need to code yourself, why xpose yourself wen U know there is hunger in teh Land
If U come to Oghara dem dey kidnap for N10K, na so E hard reach.So one has to be careful.
My coz who just manage build his small duplex, buy tanker for his product movement Biz got kidnapped,in PH we had to pay N700K to free him wen the buys realize say him jst dey try no B say e don hammer.

erico2k2:

quick question for you, if you won the lottery and have £1M would you be bothered about the current situation of Nigeria?

With £1M hard currency, that's about N500M naira you automatically have full rights in Naija.

But with £300 pension money per month. Hmmmmmm.

erico2k2:
In my Book,I might be wrong though,Reasons You wont Want to go back to Nigeria
1.No kpali
2.Not enough Money
3.Not lived Long enough abroad
4.U boasted 2 much n U reach 9ja and the guys U boasted to have Duplexes,kids and Hot SUV and U have suit case speaking big English like Sup G wa gwaaan
5.No family base back in 9ja, no structural plan.
feel free to add urs.

(6) tied down by a foreign wife.
(7) lavish lifestyle abroad
( scared of witches and wizard that will cast spell on them and make them poor.
(9) the aim of of coming back to naija to live the "londoner" life but end up dying abroad.
(10) wanted fraudsters: They can't near airport cos they are on the country wanted list.

Demainman1:


@bolded, most people that make it in Nigeria are the ones enjoying govt patronage and backing e.g dangote.

So many have had the fingers burnt just like euromillion described. I know of a guy whose three of his four tenants are owing him 1 year rent as of now and he can't do much about it.

If that man is related to one army big man, I bet those tenants would not try that nonsense. Is that how a country should be run?

If things do not change for the better, Nigeria of the next 20 years will surely be a no go area.

All the same no place like home sha .

your last line is still the "main" thing like your name "main man"


In other news, when will Nigeria start paying house rent monthly? Maybe then, I can start planning how to build a tenant house. Example, a tenant had the intension to stay in your house for a year and half, he pays one year rent, use the one year finish plus 6month and leave my house. Which account will I write 6month

Demainman1:


With £1M hard currency, that's about N500M naira you automatically have full rights in Naija.

But with £300 pension money per month. Hmmmmmm.

Well thats the reason young ones here need to learn, do not live all of your life abroad once pali drop visit home(9ja) start your investment instanta, acquire properties if God let you., I was v lucky to do this at a very young age well not so young but @ 26. No need to wait for pension which pension.@£300/month you wont survive it. cos thats N150k max,2 of my small cozens are builders here, they are lke 24 and 27 years old,they plan to return back 9ja@32 they are saving hard .

FreeWorld23:
your last line is still the "main" thing like your name "main man"


In other news, when will Nigeria start paying house rent monthly? Maybe then, I can start planning how to build a tenant house. Example, a tenant had the intension to stay in your house for a year and half, he pays one year rent, use the one year finish plus 6month and leave my house. Which account will I write 6month

U can do the month thing, its up to you,just draft teh agreement to reflect monthly payments. and you collect deposit of one month

Baba u don get am !!
Make hay while the sun shines.
In as much as I like the sound of pensions, part of me still like to dey in control not leaving all your working life to some stranger to manage for you. I watched a program where some elderly couple were out of pocket by thousands of pounds because of a dodgy pension plan.

erico2k2:

Well thats the reason young ones here need to learn, do not live all of your life abroad once pali drop visit home(9ja) start your investment instanta, acquire properties if God let you., I was v lucky to do this at a very young age well not so young but @ 26. No need to wait for pension which pension.@£300/month you wont survive it. cos thats N150k max,2 of my small cozens are builders here, they are lke 24 and 27 years old,they plan to return back 9ja@32 they are saving hard .

Demainman1:


And if they refuse to pack out, what will you do?

There is a story of a landlady who was jailed for 6 months for removing the roof of her house due to tenants owing her for several months. The same tenants took her to court.

You don't give them a paper as ur quit notice. Or a paper signed by only ur lawyer. You get a proper court bailiff to serve the notice. If they refuse u use the NPF to enforce the quit notice. Believe you me, my rent is paid before it kicks in. And I mean business. I bark n bite.
The issue is dat most landlords are greedy. They don't use the services of a proper Lawyer. They would rather pocket the agreement money.

erico2k2:

But you are failing to say waht the initial deposit is and the average mortgage cost, I guess you know it aint cheap, check the average cost for first time buyers.

Mate am not talking of mortgage buyers,I've one and I hate it,beside first €230k is 10% after that is 20%,however,the initial deposit is not a bad thing,it means that your debt is reduced.

I've no problem with those that want to retire to NIGERIA,am sure we as human all knows our capabilities,there's noting for me there,besides I can't survive there,few of my friends that we left at the same time including my good friend that got me my first visa,they decided to retire to Nigeria from the USA,they're dead now even though we are all age mates,each time I think about them it always bring tears to my eyes.

If you want to retire in nig,that's ok,each to their own,like I said before.

This's dedicated to my good friend Taiwo.
In 2001 when you called me from Chicago that you've made it,I was happy for you bro,although some part of me was jealous,but the joy that you made it gave me hope,now that I've made it,I wish you were here to share my joy.when I visited nig Segun took me to your petrol station,as am writing this am sobbing,tears in my eyes can't let me write anymore.


RIP hommies,

abouzaid:
what i can't just understand is why somebody living in a sane and safer society like Ireland, Europe, north America etc would even retire to this hell hole, forgive my ignorance but i won't hesitate to leave this country without looking back if i have the slightest chance, i still regret lost opportunities for a first degree abroad and I'm try to understand why this folks can't move to more affordable parts of their adopted countries and spend their retirement in peace.

Because if everybody moved from all the insane countries of the world to the few sane countries of the world, the few sane countries would become insane and if that happens, where else will you move to, the moon?. Europe opened her borders but see what is happening there now that even Britain had to do a Brexit. Anyway, do you think the sane place you are currently will be sane if just about 10% of the people in this insane Nigeria move there?.

erico2k2:
In my Book,I might be wrong though,Reasons You wont Want to go back to Nigeria
1.No kpali
2.Not enough Money
3.Not lived Long enough abroad
4.U boasted 2 much n U reach 9ja and the guys U boasted to have Duplexes,kids and Hot SUV and U have suit case speaking big English like Sup G wa gwaaan
5.No family base back in 9ja, no structural plan.
feel free to add urs.

This's a total assumption and generalisation,as a matter of fact,I fit into all of the above criteria and still counting.

Any thoughts of the case where lawyer says 150k to evict, and where rent only be 250k ?
The actions you talked about, quit notice by lawyer is this all within the 6 months after start of tenancy, lets assume its a yearly tenant or are we talking of where they have defaulted already ?

danowena:

You don't give them a paper as ur quit notice. Or a paper signed by only ur lawyer. You get a proper court bailiff to serve the notice. If they refuse u use the NPF to enforce the quit notice. Believe you me, my rent is paid before it kicks in. And I mean business. I bark n bite.
The issue is dat most landlords are greedy. They don't use the services of a proper Lawyer. They would rather pocket the agreement money.

erico2k2:

U can do the month thing, its up to you,just draft teh agreement to reflect monthly payments. and you collect deposit of one month

i don't think nigeria government support that. Over here, your landlord won't come and remind you that the month has ended before u pay him and the funny part is; no landlord will give you 6month before you move out even if you are their oldest tenant.

n3xt:


MyTV, HiTV, Startimes, TrendTV are all alternatives to Multichoice's DSTV. Where are these companies today?

Why are they not able to survive the same market DSTV is monopolizing?


Malls and Shopping Centers, I don't want to go down that route but if you'll agree more shopping centers and retail supermarket have closed down since the rise of Shoprite.

Doing business in Nigeria only requires reflective thinking and having a good structure in place. A fail safe approach.

Think of how we (as homeowners) jealously watch over our investment here on Property Board. When it comes to business, it should take a lot more effort to stay afloat in the very hostile yet lucrative business environment.

Shoplifting is one of the major prob of most shopping malls in Naija faces but the South Africans (Shoprite) brought RFID tags and they were able to stop this. They were not just talking about the problems, they acted on it and ensure it worked.

Whether you're starting small or big, you need a good fail safe plan and an exit strategy in case things go south.

HiTV won EPL rights from DSTV and the thing went into their heads and the owners started throwing away money like it is going out of fashion. Customer service became zero. You pay and you are not credited and connected and you start going to their offices everyday and the personnel insults you to nonsense. Alas, what happens, DSTV went back to the drawing board and won back the EPL rights and that was when the eyes of HiTV opened but it was already too late and they crashed.

NL1960:


Because if everybody moved from all the insane countries of the world to the few sane countries of the world, the few sane countries would become insane and if that happens, where else will you move to, the moon?. Europe opened her borders but see what is happening there now that even Britain had to do a Brexit. Anyway, do you think the sane place you are currently will be sane if just about 10% of the people in this insane Nigeria move there?.

Environment changes people,I remember when NIGERIAns flock into this country with their nig mentality,10yrs later come see your brothers.

euromilion:


This's a total assumption and generalisation,as a matter of fact,I fit into all of the above criteria and still counting.

Do you fit into number 5?

FreeWorld23:
i don't think nigeria government support that. Over here, your landlord won't come and remind you that the month has ended before u pay him and the funny part is; no landlord will give you 6month before you move out even if you are their oldest tenant.

Im talking of pre agreement stage signed by a lawyers,if my agreement says monthly and you have to deposit 6 months then that is that if you sign.

erico2k2:

Do you fit into number 5?

I've folks back there.

Yes everyone got their life to live,am not going to live mine and live theirs.

Yes we may share dna,but all that matters to me is my wife and kids,am sure they feel the same way too.

If you are severely disabled or non mobile this is a big problem . I had to intervene in one situation do gooders don dey share property even before the person die and the care designed to kill the person off asap. Apparently they have done similar with another paralysed person who has gone to the heavenly place.

Demainman1:


I think say for retirement home feeding, housing, heating, ac, all na free nau?

What I was trying this say is that if one does not have his immediate family around in Nigeria you are bound to be exploited by those who you will pay to look after you. They might even kill you sef to quickly take possession of your house and other investment knowing well that your children will never come back home to Nigeria to drag property with them.

May God help us.

erico2k2:

Im talking of pre agreement stage signed by a lawyers,if my agreement says monthly and you have to deposit 6 months then that is that if you sign.

you are not getting me, i mean no upfront payment. Move in today, pay for one month, if the month end, pay for another month.

Once Month end and u can't afford to pay me, i gv u just one week to leave and bring in another tenant.

If you go to a magistrate court you can self represent. The clerks will take you through the process

mavverick:
Sounds really dire.
If you were in his shoes, what would you do or do differently ?