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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by LoRdCaT(m): 1:50pm On Sep 25, 2016
Diademk07:


They all stopped playing by Jan.. Only Hazard was existing.

At some point, Mourinho even had Mikel, Matic and Ramires all on the pitch to defend games while Hazard toils and toils to get all the 3 points for them.
what kind of dumb statement is this na? shocked you make it sound like hazard was the only one on the pitch.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Diademk07: 1:52pm On Sep 25, 2016
dopeJemi:


You mean they stopped playing by January? Did they also stop playing by February, march, april and may?

What was hazard doing in august, September, October, November and December?

Hazard had less goals and assists than Costa and Fabregas respectively, if i'm not mistaking, 60% of the goals Costa scored were decisive, but mourinho won the league due to "hazard's sheer brilliance".

Please shed more light on this

When Costa and Fabregas came in as new signings, they were all vibrant until Mourinho saw a chance at winning the Epl due to the position they already attained on the log and went full out defensive by January..

On the other hand, Hazard isn't really a player that works well as a winger in a 4231 tactic to begin with. However, he's got the will and sheer brilliance to take his performance to another level and win games especially when he sees a chance of his team winning a title/cup as shown by his Lille performances. That's why most pundits say "Hazard always plays when he wants to".

Just look at his performance against Spurs for example. He said he was going to stop Spurs from winning the league and many people laughed in his face because he's been out of forms for months and lo, behold, he was something else in that game.

Another thing is he was helped by the way Mourinho packed his midfield in January because the midfield more or less became a 3-man midfield and that gave him the space and opportunity to often roam around every area of the final third and do his thing. Mourinho never knew this though because if he knew, he woulda employ the same tactic to bring out his best once again.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by LoRdCaT(m): 1:52pm On Sep 25, 2016
GBR1:
Una Well done grin grin grin
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by LoRdCaT(m): 1:54pm On Sep 25, 2016
Diademk07:


When Costa and Fabregas came in as new signings, they were all vibrant until Mourinho saw a chance at winning the Epl due to the position they already attained on the log and went full out defensive by January..

On the other hand, Hazard isn't really a player that works well as a winger in a 4231 tactic to begin with. However, he's got the will and sheer brilliance to take his performance to another level and win games especially when he sees a chance of his team winning a title/cup as shown by his Lille performances. That's why majority of pundits always say "Hazard always plays when he wants to".

Just look at his performance against Spurs for example. He said he was going to stop Spurs from winning the league and many people laughed in his face because he's been out of forms for months and lo, behold, he was something else in that game.

Another thing is he was also helped with the way Mourinho packed his midfield around January because it more or less became a 3-man midfield and that gave him the space and opportunity to often rom around and do his thing. Mourinho never knew this though because if he knew, he woulda employ the same tactic to bring out his best.
Everything you wrote here is utter trash! I really don't know how you are comfortable typing these rubbish you type.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Diademk07: 1:57pm On Sep 25, 2016
LoRdCaT:
Everything you wrote here is utter trash! I really don't know how you are comfortable typing these rubbish you type.

You should stop quoting me if you have nothing to say. You're probably Sivalord as shown by the way you brought nothing to the table.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by nyabinghi(m): 2:00pm On Sep 25, 2016
Lana1:
Nobody is immune from criticism. Mata hardly plays rubbish if he's not being played out of position. We all saw his performance against the league champs in his preferred position. Herrera too, as far as i can tell, has been solid wen deployed as a B2B CM. United 4 - 1 City easily comes to mind.

Fellaini has been ok so far this season. But tell us why we shouldn't criticise him when every small thing na to dey elbow persin for face conceding silly fouls in d process.
No one player is bigger than the club. Despite Rooney's achievements for United, he's not above criticism considering the fact that he has cinstantly been shît for more than 3 seasons now. We all saw how Zlatan was a better target man yesterday compared to Rooney on Wednesday vs Northampton.
Its not rocket science that United was fluent and played its best football of the season thus far with Rooney and Fellaini absent from the starting lineup.
we will soon see how united will pan out against pool, arsenal, spurs and chelsea not forgetting everton.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by dopeJemi: 2:02pm On Sep 25, 2016
Diademk07:


When Costa and Fabregas came in as new signings, they were all vibrant until Mourinho saw a chance at winning the Epl due to the position they already attained on the log and went full out defensive by January..

On the other hand, Hazard isn't really a player that works well as a winger in a 4231 tactic to begin with. However, he's got the will and sheer brilliance to take his performance to another level and win games especially when he sees a chance of his team winning a title/cup as shown by his Lille performances. That's why most pundits say "Hazard always plays when he wants to".

Just look at his performance against Spurs for example. He said he was going to stop Spurs from winning the league and many people laughed in his face because he's been out of forms for months and lo, behold, he was something else in that game.

Another thing is he was helped by the way Mourinho packed his midfield in January because the midfield more or less became a 3-man midfield and that gave him the space and opportunity to often roam around every area of the final third and do his thing. Mourinho never knew this though because if he knew, he woulda employ the same tactic to bring out his best.

Very good

With all you posted, I still didn't see how hazard's sheer brilliance alone won mourinho the league when his contributions were less than that of Costa and Fabregas'

Can you be kind enough to bring out chelsea's statistics starting from that January to may? I'd like to see the "full out defensive" chelsea went and the decisive goals hazard scored that period too since Costa and Fabregas stopped playing then

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by dopeJemi: 2:05pm On Sep 25, 2016
I'm using Diademk07 to practice "patience" cause I lack that in reality nowadays

So make una no vex

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by dubylhover(m): 2:20pm On Sep 25, 2016
Diademk07:


How is Kante a DM to begin with? Let alone expecting him to be a one-man midfield when he's playing out of position?

I dont want argument but it was you that said that he plays dm and box to box without a drop in quality at euros after their 1st match

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by codedguy1(m): 2:21pm On Sep 25, 2016
dopeJemi:
I'm using Diademk07 to practice "patience" cause I lack that in reality nowadays

So make una no vex

You might not be successful.

You can continue trying sha.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Diademk07: 2:29pm On Sep 25, 2016
dopeJemi:


Very good

With all you posted, I still didn't see how hazard's sheer brilliance alone won mourinho the league when his contributions were less than that of Costa and Fabregas'

Can you be kind enough to bring out chelsea's statistics starting from that January to may? I'd like to see the "full out defensive" chelsea went and the decisive goals hazard scored that period too since Costa and Fabregas stopped playing then

www.transfermarkt.com/eden-hazard/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/50202/saison/2014/wettbewerb/GB1/verein/631

Check that above..

After the 22nd of Dec, Hazard contributed more to every games Chelsea played than before it and if you check some of the line-ups, you would noticed the midfield packed with either 2 of Mikel, Matic, Ramires or at times, Zouma with just Fabregas above them.

People who watches Chelsea wouldn't even dispute this!
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 2:31pm On Sep 25, 2016
Diademk07:
Lol!

See that meme coward as usual throwing snide remark.

Apart from the fact that I mentioned that Leicester defence was poor against Liverpool in my discourse with Tess, only an ignorant man would even compare our performance to that of Liverpool!

Liverpool were tearing a Leicester city team that had Okazaki from left to right and created countless of chances compared to our goals which came through setpieces, thanks to our left back, Blind who had a fantastic performance BTW. People's football reasoning on here is quite poor! That's just the fact!
Yes our reasoning is poor and yours is the best. We don't know anything about football and you know everything. Your IQ is x10 of Einstein and Newton put together. All hail lord Diademk07
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Diademk07: 2:33pm On Sep 25, 2016
dubylhover:


I dont want argument but it was you that said that he plays dm and box to box without a drop in quality at euros after their 1st match

And the likes of Mathuidi and Pogba that played alongside him were as sluggish and rubbish as Matic and Fabregas?

Clap for yourself!

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by GBR1(m): 2:33pm On Sep 25, 2016
LoRdCaT:
Baba i greet you.. Welcome. cheesy
Thanks man
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Diademk07: 2:34pm On Sep 25, 2016
OEmperor:

Yes our reasoning is poor and yours is the best. We don't know anything about football and you know everything. Your IQ is x10 of Einstein and Newton put together. All hail lord Diademk07

Apology for lumping everyone into one coat BTW.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 2:40pm On Sep 25, 2016
Diademk07:


Apology for lumping everyone into one coat BTW.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by dopeJemi: 2:46pm On Sep 25, 2016
Diademk07:


www.transfermarkt.com/eden-hazard/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/50202/saison/2014/wettbewerb/GB1/verein/631

Check that above..

After the 22nd of Dec, Hazard contributed more to every games Chelsea played than before it and if you check some of the line-ups, you would noticed the midfield packed with either 2 of Mikel, Matic, Ramires or at times, Zouma with just Fabregas above them.

People who watches Chelsea wouldn't even dispute this!

Before I go on, blue ball represents goals While green ball represents assists right?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Diademk07: 2:48pm On Sep 25, 2016
dopeJemi:


Before I go on, blue ball represents goals While green ball represents assists right?

Yep..
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by dopeJemi: 3:11pm On Sep 25, 2016
Diademk07:


Yep..

His first contribution in January was against spurs, they ended up losing that game 5-3

Played two games after that, no contributions, they won 2-0 and 5-0 against Newcastle and swansea respectively

His second contribution was against Manchester city, 1 assist, they drew that game

Third contribution was against Aston Villa, 1 goal, they won 2-1

No contribution in the next game, they won 1-0 against Everton

Fourth contribution was against burnley, 1 assist, they drew that game

Fifth contribution was against Everton, scored the only goal

No contribution in the next game, they drew 1-1

Four games after that he scored 3 times and made two assists

Next games were against arsenal and Leicester, no contributions, they drew one and won one, no contribution

They played crystal palace after that, he scored the only goal, I believe around this period they had already won the league

They played 3 games after that, they drew 1, lost 1 and won 1, One contribution


With all these, i'd like for you to explain extensively how mourinho won the league due to hazard's sheer brilliance alone, I would also like for you to point out the decisive goals he scored in these games and also pull out Diego Costa's statistics that year too

Don't be angry

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Diademk07: 3:21pm On Sep 25, 2016
dopeJemi:


His first contribution in January was against spurs, they ended up losing that game 5-3

Played two games after that, no contributions, they won 2-0 and 5-0 against Newcastle and swansea respectively

His second contribution was against Manchester city, 1 assist, they drew that game

Third contribution was against Aston Villa, 1 goal, they won 2-1

No contribution in the next game, they won 1-0 against Everton

Fourth contribution was against burnley, 1 assist, they drew that game

Fifth contribution was against Everton, scored the only goal

No contribution in the next game, they drew 1-1

Four games after that he scored 3 times and made two assists

Next games were against arsenal and Leicester, no contributions, they drew one and won one, no contribution

They played crystal palace after that, he scored the only goal, I believe around this period they had already won the league

They played 3 games after that, they drew 1, lost 1 and won 1, One contribution


With all these, i'd like for you to explain extensively how mourinho won the league due to hazard's sheer brilliance alone, I would also like for you to point out the decisive goals he scored in these games and also pull out Diego Costa's statistics that year too

Don't be angry

Off the top my head, I remembered his lone goal against us.. Also, almost all his goals were instrumental goals that either won the game or drew it for Chelsea..

That said, anyone could see that Hazard's best form started from late dec 2014 to april 2015. That was roughly the same time Barca fans were mocking Chelsea on their acquisition of Fabregas who tends to go off form every winter. Matic became poor as well during that time.

I would rather a Chelsea fan challenge me on this though and tell me if Hazard wasn't head and shoulder above his team mates in the second half of 14/15 season or if the likes of Fabregas and Matic didn't turn out poor during winter.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Lana1(m): 3:24pm On Sep 25, 2016
Diademk07:
How was Okazaki on the pitch when he already got subbed before Leicester had a man sent off.

All these point to the fact they were 10 man down and the player whose hardwork could have compensated for their less numerical no already got subbed.

Okazaki probably got rested because he played the Chelsea game. Better still, Raineri probably thought we were going to attack through Valencia on the wing, hence, Abrighton had to feature on the left while their most inform lazy Slimani would have to settle for the centre role.

I hope I answered the cowards who weren't bold to quote me.
Wau. So Leicester got 10 red cards against Chelsea?? Canopy analysis at its finest Ladies and Gentlemen.


Just look at excuse. Okazaki got rested for playing 70 mins on Tuesday and yet, all them Drinkwater and co that played 120 mins dint deserve rest abi?? All these canopy analysts sha, they play one season of Football Manager and automatically think they know more than real life Managers.

Abeg shift one side and let us hear word

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 3:25pm On Sep 25, 2016
Lana1:
Nobody is immune from criticism. Mata hardly plays rubbish if he's not being played out of position. We all saw his performance against the league champs in his preferred position. Herrera too, as far as i can tell, has been solid wen deployed as a B2B CM. United 4 - 1 City easily comes to mind.

Fellaini has been ok so far this season. But tell us why we shouldn't criticise him when every small thing na to dey elbow persin for face conceding silly fouls in d process.
No one player is bigger than the club. Despite Rooney's achievements for United, he's not above criticism considering the fact that he has cinstantly been shît for more than 3 seasons now. We all saw how Zlatan was a better target man yesterday compared to Rooney on Wednesday vs Northampton.
Its not rocket science that United was fluent and played its best football of the season thus far with Rooney and Fellaini absent from the starting lineup.

This is not true. Mata has mostly played below average in the number 10. There are times he looks to fly there, but when given a strectch
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 3:26pm On Sep 25, 2016
Hazard only plays great when his team has the chance to win something big...See stupidity lumped in one sentence...
So hazard didn't know that Belgium needed the win against Argentina during the world cup? or that Belgium needed to win against Wales to stand a chance of winning the Euros? or that Chelsea need to win against Arsenal to close the gap on city?
Tramadol is really bad.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 3:28pm On Sep 25, 2016
Lana1:
Nobody is immune from criticism. Mata hardly plays rubbish if he's not being played out of position. We all saw his performance against the league champs in his preferred position. Herrera too, as far as i can tell, has been solid wen deployed as a B2B CM. United 4 - 1 City easily comes to mind.

Fellaini has been ok so far this season. But tell us why we shouldn't criticise him when every small thing na to dey elbow persin for face conceding silly fouls in d process.
No one player is bigger than the club. Despite Rooney's achievements for United, he's not above criticism considering the fact that he has cinstantly been shît for more than 3 seasons now. We all saw how Zlatan was a better target man yesterday compared to Rooney on Wednesday vs Northampton.
Its not rocket science that United was fluent and played its best football of the season thus far with Rooney and Fellaini absent from the starting lineup.

This is not true. Mata has mostly played below average in the number 10. There are times he looks to fly there, but when given a run there, he soon disappears in games, particularly against the power playing teams and big teams.

Apart from his first match for us, yesterday was when Pogba played close to his DM which meant the AM didn't have to worry too much about defence. We will have to see many more matches to get to know how things work out.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Diademk07: 3:32pm On Sep 25, 2016
patrickmuf:
Hazard only plays great when his team has the chance to win something big...See stupidity lumped in one sentence...
So hazard didn't know that Belgium needed the win against Argentina during the world cup? or that Belgium needed to win against Wales to stand a chance of winning the Euros? or that Chelsea need to win against Arsenal to close the gap on city?
Tramadol is really bad.

Only a fool as yourself wouldn't know Hazard was Belgium best player at the Euros, if only Lukaku had sorted out his inconsistent first touch!
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Diademk07: 3:35pm On Sep 25, 2016
Lana1:
Wau. So Leicester got 10 red cards against Chelsea?? Canopy analysis at its finest Ladies and Gentlemen.


Just look at excuse. Okazaki got rested for playing 70 mins on Tuesday and yet, all them Drinkwater and co that played 120 mins dint deserve rest abi?? All these canopy analysts sha, they play one season of Football Manager and automatically think they know more than real life Managers.

Abeg shift one side and let us hear word

Didn't you imply that Okazaki was on the pitch at the time Chelsea defeated Leicester?

You need to sort out your head first before questioning me.. Better still, stick to your meme!
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Lana1(m): 3:43pm On Sep 25, 2016
nyabinghi:
we will soon see how united will pan out against pool, arsenal, spurs and chelsea not forgetting everton.
Lmao! Excuses! Excuses!

U must ve been really pained United played its best game post SAF yesterday. And to even make matters worse, it must ve hurt to know ur local hero and role model was glued to the bench when United was tearing the EPL champions a new one and made no meaningful contributions when he came on. grin grin

Yesterday's awesome win must ve hit u really hard bcoz u must ve been expecting us to lose or struggle to win 1-0 so u could come out with ur usual rants of "Mourinho this, Pogba that". Eya e pele sir. I'm not sorry ur bad bele was thoroughly put to shame yesterday tho.

No worry tho. By the time we play those teams, u go begin dey wait to see how United plays against Barca, Madrid and Bayern. grin grin

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by dopeJemi: 3:45pm On Sep 25, 2016
Diademk07:


Off the top my head, I remembered his lone goal against us.. Also, almost all his goals were instrumental goals that either won the game or drew it for Chelsea..

That said, anyone could see that Hazard's best form started from late dec 2014 to april 2015. That was roughly the same time Barca fans were mocking Chelsea on their acquisition of Fabregas who tends to go off form every winter. Matic became poor as well during that time.

I would rather a Chelsea fan challenge me on this though and tell me if Hazard wasn't head and shoulder above his team mates in the second half of 14/15 season or if the likes of Fabregas and Matic didn't turn out poor in winter.

If almost all his goals were instrumental, what about the 20 to 21 goals Costa scored?

Let's settle this

Let's compare how instrumental the goals they scored were to their league triumph, lets do that

Note: you said Mourihno won the league due to hazard's sheer brilliance ALONE
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 3:46pm On Sep 25, 2016
Diademk07:


Only a fool wouldn't know Hazard was Belgium best player at the Euros, if only Lukaku had sorted out his inconsistent first touch!
Hazard you like, Herrera you hate...Life goes on

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Lana1(m): 3:52pm On Sep 25, 2016
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by lekkie073(m): 3:53pm On Sep 25, 2016
Oasis007:
^^^^^

grin

This Dude shouldn't have found this Thread! I really don't understand the way he sees Matches, analyzes individual contributions and reasons the tactics!

He seems to know more than the Managers. Okazaki is not injured, neither is he unfit, yet his Manager didn't include him in his Game-plan for the Encounter.

If he's as good as the Dude wanted us to believe, then he should be indispensable on every Match Day for his Club!

SMH!



what do u expect from the man under the canopy?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Diademk07: 3:59pm On Sep 25, 2016
dopeJemi:


If almost all his goals were instrumental, what about the 20 to 21 goals Costa scored?

Let's settle this

Let's compare how instrumental the goals they scored were to their league triumph, lets do that

Note: you said Mourihno won the league due to hazard's sheer brilliance ALONE

As soon as Fabregas turned off his performance, Costa source of productivity were cut off as well!

Note that I'm talking about the second half of that seasons when almost everyone started serving out shite!

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