Nihilist:


Slavery is not a new phenomenon and neither is colonisation. If you're a Christian then you probably already know that the entire new testament was written under Roman rule.

To put it in it's proper perspective, during the time the historical Jesus walked the earth some 2000 odd years ago, Judea and Palestine were being governed from the Italian peninsula, and they had no Internet, Post office or telephones.

The Roman control of judea was so absolute that Jesus's parents had to leave their country and run to Egypt to escape when Herod's men were looking for them.

I want you to take a minute to consider the sheer logistics involved in running that kind of government in those days.

The Romans went on to conquer much of Europe, and the Romance languages- French, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese etc are evolved from Latin- the language of the Romans.

So much of the European you see today were conquered by the Romans. Their cultures were destroyed by the Romans. Their religions destroyed in favour of the Roman Catholic religion. Yet Europe is better than Africa.

The largest African empire on record was the Songhai empire in the middle ages which at its zenith covered an area of 1 million square feet.

The Romans had managed to rule over 4 million square feet 1000 years before

I don't think you understand just how far behind Europe we were when the slavers came to Africa. Technology wise, we were roughly 1000 years behind. Hydrogen as a molecule was identified by scientists in the 18th century...around the same time in Nigeria, nutters like Usman Dan Fodio were running around killing people in the name of Jihad.


The oldest writing script in West Africa dates back to the 15th century, when the Greeks were writing novels and poetry in 1500bc

The decade when Russia and US were competing to put people on the moon, Nigerians were just hustling independence and dancing around campfires in the bush.

We would never have caught up to Europe if they dint come to Africa, and there are a few reasons why. If you want to giscuss further, lets enter another thread...

ayosmiles:
Africa only has itself to blame for where she is today, but that doesnt mean colonisation, slavery etc didnt contribute to it.

I have done a huge research on this topic with several articles on the internet but i cant give u links yet.

I honestly do not beleive that we wouldnt have civilization without European influence. Hundreds of years before colonialism, we had black kingdoms like meroe and egypt.

Funlordjnr:


[s]Our culture is our problem! It is backward, based on fantasy, lacks pragmatism, foresight, mistreat and attempts to silence women and the young and is based on primordial sentiments!
As Walter rodney put it, once the Europeans relegated their culture to the background of how their society functioned, they made great strides!
By the way that foolish prof lipton is here again please kindly get rid of that nitwit or else he would derail this thread also! He has nothing to offer anywhere....[/s]

ProfTea10:


Guy, respect yourself and stop this na.

ayosmiles:
Africa only has itself to blame for where she is today, but that doesnt mean colonisation, slavery etc didnt contribute to it.

I have done a huge research on this topic with several articles on the internet but i cant give u links yet.

I honestly do not beleive that we wouldnt have civilization without European influence. Hundreds of years before colonialism, we had black kingdoms like meroe and egypt.

charix:

Why don't you give him a reason to? It's a debate afterall and we are meant to use our viewpoints to counter others'. Striking out his response while giving no counter argument shows a strong lack of negotiation skills.

ProfTea10:

The person I quoted understands my post.

ProfTea10:

The person I quoted understands my post.

charix:

Never mind. Going through your posts shows this is a troll account. The discussion can continue without you.

moscobabs:
Just resumed my new office last week o.

My first time of working with White man sa (Lebanese) , The man is free and humble in fact everybody loves him, among other Lebanese my Boss is jovial, free and hardworking man.

He has worked in 5 African countries so he understands Africa and her culture very well.

The real story....

I resumed very early this morning and I decided to wait in front of office before I start today's activities when I saw my boss coming down from his Truck carrying his bag , as a young Yoruba man that comes from good background ..lol So I ran to him and say Good morning sir (bend my head) and I stretch my hand to collect his bag.

The man who has never disrespect me like that before shouted on me!!

Who owns the bag? he asked

repeat!!!! who owns the bag moscobabs?

Me: You sir!!!! I replied..

if it's me "why should u collect it from me?

Me: I just wanted to help u sir.

Y? ..... I couldn't respond .

I say why? ...meet me in office now!!!! he commanded .

We entered his office and he sat me down

moscobabs, You were employed as so so so in this company not to carry bag, the bag belongs to me and I must carry it, also you always bend whenever you greet me...please its not necessary, in fact its not official, I just opportune to be your boss, you are married as I , You are graduate although you are younger than me but you have to attach respect to yourself.

I was like " ki la gbe, ki la ju" but I replied him by saying ....

Sir, I am african we have cultures and Traditions and parts of these is what I did, We respect our elders and seniors that's why we bend or prostrate while greeting and we do help them carry their loads even if we carry ours too.

And he responded with smiles...No problem But when next you greet me in such an embarrassing way or try to collect my bag I won't think twice before I sack you!!!

I beg o Is anything wrong in what I did?

Is there any other reason for his reaction?

The man just dey look me somehow since morning

Funlordjnr:


Our culture is our problem! It is backward, based on fantasy, lacks pragmatism, foresight, mistreat and attempts to silence women and the young and is based on primordial sentiments!

As Walter rodney put it, once the Europeans relegated their culture to the background of how their society functioned, they made great strides!

By the way that foolish prof lipton is here again please kindly get rid of that nitwit or else he would derail this thread also! He has nothing to offer anywhere....

ccffwx:
The West is moving to a time when people will practise nudity and women will be leaders of nations. Check Africa's history before the advent of the white man. We had all of these. So is the West moving forward to what we had? Did we lose out when we began to believe the white man's lies and adopt his ways? Why do they not wear clothes again while we do? Why have they forsaken religion but we practise it? Why are they now empowering women but destroyed the power of matriarchies and African women (please check history, African women were very powerful before the white man came. They didn't really understand this because they practised patriarchy and thus they weakened the power of the African woman because that is how they treat their own women which made their own women fight back through feminism.) Africans were really deceived then but ironically, we see the white man stealing what we once had and even stylishly returning to them under new and special guises. Africa, be wise and arise. Develop a Weltanschaaung that comes from you and not an extension of anybody be it Caucasian, Oriental or what have you.

ccffwx:
@Pushas Much of African pre-colonial societies had women in the mould of what Western women are clamouring for today. Many people do not know this because of the distortion of African history by the imperialists who wanted us to remain beneath. Many people think that African history began from slavery and after slavery because that is what the white man put in his school curriculum. Old African societies venerated the woman especially mothers. Women had economic and political freedom; this is no joke. Did you know that for many centuries Ethiopia was ruled by virgin queens one of whom is Queen Sheba of the Bible? Did you know that the Kikuyus women ruled their men before the advent of Mr White man? My dear friend, do you know that up till today there is a tribe in Northern Nigeria, the Wodabes, where women pick husbands and men use makeup and dance for women to marry them? Do you know of Ann Nzingha who led men armies to fight off white slave traders? There are lots of this but I don't want to argue. Just find out your history and not what they want us to know.

Pushas:
You are right but I said most these instances of Women leading African societies were not so common and popular.