naijadeyhia:



So in essence you are saying morality is based on God because last ti.e I checked the do unto others as you would have them do unto you began with Jesua saying ...LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOUR AS YOURSELF.

if you have another source for that moral guideline kindly share.

I think Nairaland disagrees with your live and let live ideology especially when you consider the activities of atheists here.

SirWere:

The Golden rule has existed way before Jesus was born. Heck, way before David was born.


It is mentioned in Ancient Eygpt, Buddhism, Zoroastrianism, confucian texts........

Any and every major religion has a variant of this law to it.

naijadeyhia:



Fixed!!!!

Thanks for letting us know that Religion was the source of that moral law

Your quote

" ANY AND EVERY MAJOR RELIGION HAS A VARIANT OF THIS LAW TO IT"

Have a good night.

naijadeyhia:



Fixed!!!!

Thanks for letting us know that Religion was the source of that moral law

Your quote

" ANY AND EVERY MAJOR RELIGION HAS A VARIANT OF THIS LAW TO IT"

Have a good night.

SirWere:


and how did you come to the conclusion at the bolded

Easy, easy, don't rush into Hasty conclusions

jonbellion:
lol he doesn't know the meaning of "variant" obviously

naijadeyhia:


Variany is a form of something that differs slightly but largly the same from the same source.

I can say I cooked beans and rice and ate and you can say I cooked beans, rice and added eggs an ate does that mean I did not eat beans and rice too?

pls trying to twist what he wrote wouldnt work . If All religions have a variant of this golden rule the bottom line is that its ALL RELIGIONS that have it.

LIVE AND LET LIVE isnt an evolutionary strenght as evolution is about survival of the fittest and since a lot of you giys believe morality evolved and evolutionary morality differs from what he said who then is lying? Isbit me?

I suggest you clear your head and draw inference from everything just like I did before focusing on this comment.

jonbellion:

Lol you mustn't take everything personal though. Because it is a variant in every religion doesn't mean it came from the Abrahamic God. Morality and religion are similar no doubt but morality is a universal constant
Look at it this way
You guys always claim morality comes from God.. If that is true that should means morality is a fundamental property. It surpasses space time and existance just like God
Right and wrong has always been and will always be
But the Abrahamic God doesn't apply this.his morality is arbitrary in other words he is a bad messenger of morality but morality is above him
A good example was when he wanted to destroy all the Israelites for worshipping a golden calf. This was arbitrary. Moses talked him out of it. Are you seeing the problem here. For Moses to able to judge Yahweh's actions alone shows that God is inconsistent with and within his own morality
which means he is not a reflection of that morality cuz it is not a reflection of what he preached
And if you want to say jesus' did away with all that you are basically contradicting Gods omniscience after all "he is the same yesterday today and forever"
This is special pleading at it's finest
If I create beings that I can piss on, and kill in so many ways does that mean I'm not a dick for doing all of this??
If you justify it you're basically saying "God is Good, and Good is to be like God". You guys cam basically support the holocaust if it was commanded by God
Kim jung un punishes people for transgressions up to the third generation
The Abrahamic God supposedly punished every generation of mankind to come for the transgressions of one man
Changing the name doesn't make it any less better
His morality is useless and arbitrary

naijadeyhia:



Why are you always all over the place and always jumping on the Abrahamic God bandwagon. ....Do you think I did not anticipate the response sirwere would give? I deliberately asked him about the LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOUR AS YOURSELF moral guide and he fell for the bait and nailed himself with his own comment.

If Morality evolved it shold have followed the law of natural selection and survival of the fittest route but man didn't follow that route..Anyone who tows that line today is seen as a maniac and a psycopath.

Abeg I am a very outspoken person so you may feel I take things personal when I do not.

Thanks for your time but try not to attempt carrying oit cosmetic repairs to sirweres post..its already fixed.

jonbellion:
lol you see?? You are misunderstanding the survival of the fittest term. It is not a barbaric methodology

jonbellion:
lol you see?? You are misunderstanding the survival of the fittest term. It is not a barbaric methodology

jonbellion:
lol you see?? You are misunderstanding the survival of the fittest term. It is not a barbaric methodology
Plus religious morality is objective. What's moral in some religions isn't in others

naijadeyhia:



I advice you go back and read about the law of natural selection and understand it. Then superimpose that over humanity then come back and repeat your comment.

jonbellion:
the concept should be more of survival and differential reproduction of the fittest. Survival of the fittest is circular reason at best and it isn't even used by evolutionary biologists there are a population of humans in a remote location
some of them are agile, they work hard and that are fast and catch gazelles
The other half sit around and are lazy
The hard working humans would store enough energy to reproduce and raise offspring. Some generations later those would be the dominant humans you'll find fewer lazy humans this is natural selection
Survival of the fittest term is problematic

naijadeyhia:


Just in case you missed it...sirwere used that term and not me...I focused on the law of natural selection which is more *trendy*

Besides the law of natural selection isnt minimalistic on the contrary it can be applied to any or every aspect of humanity in an insane manner. It could be applied to tribalism, nepotism, Geographical location, has been the cause of wars more often than not...

I think you should have directed this comment to sirwere and not to me. Thank you very much.

4everGod:
Atheism as we know it is a lack of belief in God, gods or higher spiritual powers which in essence makes Atheism all about the now and the physical world.

In other words anything that touches or tries to include the spiritual realm is a taboo to an atheist or at least it should be for a true sworn atheist.

Here on Nairaland we see a lot of young Atheistd who claim to be sworn atheists and go to all lenghts to band together and force their assumption of being atheists down everyones throats including bashing, name calling, giving God the middle finger and all...

However is atheism only theoretical and not really practical? Is Atheism all about blowing hot air with nothing to physically show for it? Is Atheism all about rants online and offline but no actual physical demonstration of these rants as proof for their position?

I personally see Atheism or Atheists be they young or old as a bunch of kids who just want to goof around but when push comes to shove they run back into their shells.

Let me put it this way as I drop a question for my Nairaland Atheists.......


Its a Known fact that a lot of Countries world wide have their constitutions built and influenced by either Religion or Christianity or even Islam.....

124 out of the 196 countries worldwide have their constitutions built and influenced by Religion or Christianity or islam..The remaining countries have an open ended constitution but with mixtures of Religious influence in it.

Now if atheists abhor religion and all it represents which as a root is derived from God or gods or spiritual powers, Why then do Atheists live by the moral laws of these countries with Christian or Religious or Islamic constitutions?

You say you do not believe or recognize God, gods or spiritual powers yet you obey the moral laws derived from these influences. Is that not hypocrisy? Is that not falsehood?

I expected to see Atheists rebelling against moral laws which are God based and resisting authority afterall you do not recognize its source so must be exempted from such laws.

Is it the fear of the fallout of disobedience to these moral laws that forces an atheist to obey them or are they just pretentious Atheists with no spine and like I said all theory but no practical?

Since you say you absolutely lack a belief in God, gods or higher powers this means you have erased all traces of this influence or existence and must also mean that anything linked to these influences must also be erased as these physical influences still represent by extention that which you claim to have erased and absolutely detached from.

Pls I would like my Atheist brotherhood here on Nairaland to give me their reason and pls no insults ....just simple clear points...

akintom:



The only thing original to God idea is the concept of "original sin", which is in itself, is an evil corruption of the natural concept of morality, that predates religious idiocy.

naijadeyhia:



Pls share with Nairaland this natural concept of morality.

Make i grab some popcorn and watch the show.

jonbellion:
here we go again......

naijadeyhia:



Pls share with Nairaland this natural concept of morality.

Make i grab some popcorn and watch the show.

akintom:



That you brain has capacity to understand the concept of morality, without any contact with religious idiocy.

akintom:



That you brain has capacity to understand the concept of morality, without any contact with religious idiocy.

PastorAIO:


I really don't understand all these desperate attempts to link morality to religion. Morality is just basic to the way that the human brain works. You don't have to have any religion to become a moral person.

akintom:



Religion and the mentally weak folks that created it, discovered along the line, that the concept of "original sin", is unfounded.

And with the evaporated original sin concept, humanity owes no scary sky daddy anything.

The only recourse is this futile attempt to hijack morality, for the same evil use of creating an eternal guilt consciousness.

GRIMMJOE:
It still this same guy that asked me to go and cannibalized,I should literally go eat other humans,kill peoples twin,cos our forfathers did,since I don't believe in the moral standard (sin) of the Bible.
Never knew the answer I gave him,also gave him sleeplessness night,next morning he gave in, to creating this damned thread.

HardMirror:

Yes,
4evergod
Winner01
Kingebukablog
Kingebukawhatever
Honourhim
Are all one person.

In fact there are only 3 registered christians on nairaland, all the christian account belongs to this 3 people. Each has about 50 accounts.

hahn:
Wait make I read am!

Modified



atheism
ˈeɪθɪɪz(ə)m/Submit
noun
disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.

Saying atheism is all about now and the physical world is an assumption or an addition to the definition on your part. There are people who do not believe in any god but believe in the supernatural and spiritual. Buddhists are an example.



Just as there are Christians worldwide who feel it is their obligation to go around preaching the "good news" by telling people that their god loves them and will throw them in eternal fire and subject them to eternal damnation if they do not love him back. These same Christians make noise from their churches shouting and disturbing their neighborhoods during night vigil when people are supposed to be sleeping.

I live next to a church. One day, my landlord's new born baby fell from the bed to the floor. This baby had been crying for sango knows how long but no one could hear her simply because the church was making so much noise during their service. Imagine a church that has less than 100 members "preaching" with loudspeakers inside the church and still has loudspeakers outside the church. Even Jesus preached to 5,000 people without making such a racket

Then do not forget that theists, Muslims/Christians have been known to kill "unbelievers". In fact, their holy books support it.

For example, in the bible, Jehovah commands his people to:

[b]Kill Nonbelievers
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Kill Followers of Other Religions.
1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)[/b]

You can read more @ https://www.nairaland.com/2819877/murder-bible



This is simply your opinion and not fact. Afterall, Jesus supposedly raised the dead, healed sick people, fed 5,000 people with only five loaves of bread and two fish. Matthew 14:13-21

As a Christian, have you replicated any of these? There are many sick people in major hospitals, how come NOT ONE of Nigeria's major pastors like Oyakhilome, Adeboye, TB Joshua, Oyedepo and co have ever visited anyone of these hospitals to perform any miracles? If this is not an example of "blowing hot air with nothing to physically show for it", then I do not know what is.

Let me put it this way as I drop a question for my Nairaland Atheists.......




Lol. Even you as a Christian, when you visit an Islamic country, in fact simply take a drive to the North where sharia is practiced and I can bet that you cannot bravely go out and even preach about Jesus not to mention go against their laws. The story of the RCCG woman who was killed in the north recently while preaching in the morning is a good example. It is simple. "In Rome behave as the Romans do"

Would you say that the legalizing of homosexual practices and marriages in "religious" countries like the US is a product of "religious" standards? Since there is no where in the bible or Quran that states that "slavery is a sin", would you say that slavery is right? Why then do most nations now regard slavery as illegal?



Lol. Apparently, you do not understand what atheism is. Go to the first line of your own article or simply point out where atheism translates to "rebelling against moral laws"?



Fear? More like conformity. When you live in a country that says "slavery is illegal" will you now go, as a Christian< and keep slaves simply because the bible says in [b]Leviticus 25:44-46 However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.

Or in Exodus 21:7 When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.[/b]



The answer is very simple. Conformity. I would even go further to say that by this your definition of "atheists" this actually makes us good citizens since we do not rebel against laws of the land where we find ourselves.

However, I would advice that you do research on laws, worldwide, that had to be revised. In the US, a religious country, has been amended 27 times. Also, different countries have different numbers of bill of rights. Different "Christian" countries have different numbers of bill of rights. If these laws were indeed a product of god then why are they not uniform?

In fact, the holy bible itself has 50 different versions of the Bible in English alone, Christianity has over 30,000 denominations and seem to have a problem agreeing on the teaching of the bible and the Sunnis and Shiites are busy killing each other over who is right and who is wrong.

hopefulLandlord:


op is killed


this is one of those threads that atheists shouldn't let drop

we should keep this thread afloat cuz as many people as possible should read it; it does a lot of damage to theism and does next to nothing damage to atheism

I'll bookmark it and bump it up once in a while

you gotta love it when theists do your job for you