bykebyke:

His reason are WTF-ish.

Cristina is better because he motivated his teammates to go win a final.

Lmao.

Just see.

Yes if dayo could use senseless reasons to support his views and you had no problem with them, why would you fault drawing energy from ronaldo by his colleagues? Thats how huge ronaldo is among his team mates. Thats more sensible than saying a player is not great because he hasn't played a world cup final.

Nihilist:


What exactly is wrong with that though? Ronaldo was ready to kill the French with a hattrick. Payet being a Barka fan quickly went to do a hatchet job on Ororo. What Payet and his midget overlord didn't reckon with was a word called 'Destiny'.
Payet may have broken Ororos leg, but he couldn't break his spirit.
Instead of heading to the sickbay, we saw ororo jumping around on his one-and-half leg, exhorting his team, and encouraging them.

Cristina was ready to kill the French with a Hat Trick?

What exactly supports this?
The game was still at 0-0 when he left,It's not as if he had already scored 2goals with a third remaining for a hat-trick.

Unlike the vertically challenged Argentine Bieber who couldn't inspire higuain, ADM and Aguero , Ororo stood literally and figuratively tall on the touchline and his team mates were ready to sweat blood for him.

Jumping on the touchline

He didn't have the Balls/Cojones to play a final,Dude faked an injury..and ran away(Weak Mentality)

Lord Ororo granted his favour to Eder, a noobsaibot looking striker, who couldn't make the bench at Swansea and had only ever scored 3 goals for Portugal, and gave the Baba dudu the belief and confidence to score such a decisive goal in France.

Lmao..

Ororo is Messi master. Take it and go.

Cristina isn't fit to be Messi's Squire.

Leave it like that.

bykebyke:

Cristina was ready to kill the French with a Hat Trick?

What exactly supports this?
The game was still at 0-0 when he left,It's not as if he had already scored 2goals with a third remaining for a hat-trick.


Jumping on the touchline

He didn't have the Balls/Cojones to play a final,Dude faked an injury..and ran away(Weak Mentality)


Lmao..

Cristina isn't fit to be Messi's Squire.

Leave it like that.

This is the real weak mentality here. Missing the first penalty of the game and then going home to cry.

Standard Messi. Fails to inspire his teammates then he goes to the dressing room to throw a strop, or pick a fight with a disembodied voice behind a door, or threaten a retirement that he doesn't mean.

Ronaldo is literally and figuratively a giant compared to Messi. Take it and go.

Nihilist:


This is the real weak mentality here. Missing the first penalty of the game and then going home to cry.

Standard Messi. Fails to inspire his teammates then he goes to the dressing room to throw a strop, or pick a fight with a disembodied voice behind a door, or threaten a retirement that he doesn't mean.

Cristina in two seasons in a row has missed penalties that would have assured Real Madrid the League title.[Weak Mentality]

There is no evidence of him picking a fight with anybody,a story brought up by your British Media to tarnish the reputation of Leo,so that part is null and void.(probably paid by Jorge Mendes cause Ballon D'or is coming up)

Messi is not the first player to retire and then come back,certainly will not be the last.

Ronaldo is literally and figuratively a giant compared to Messi. Take it and go.

A Giant whose performance has detoriated massively.
While Messi goes from strength to strength.

Cristina was last seen passing to Ghosts of futures past


He isn't fit to be Messi's boy boy.
Leave it like that.

Lol, Airmark has given me something else to tackle Dayo.
Raumdeuter, Eder scored the winning goal at the Euros final, shud he be put on Tier 2 or 1?

Is he also better than Hidden?

Nihilist:


This is the real weak mentality here. Missing the first penalty of the game and then going home to cry.

Standard Messi. Fails to inspire his teammates then he goes to the dressing room to throw a strop, or pick a fight with a disembodied voice behind a door, or threaten a retirement that he doesn't mean.

Ronaldo is literally and figuratively a giant compared to Messi. Take it and go.

Mr Nihilist, a neutral person ll know Messi has been greater than Ronaldo all the years. A world cup didn't make Sergio Ramos greater than Paolo Maldini, a World cup didn't make Arbeloba greater than Dani Alves, an Euro doesn't make Ronaldo better than Messi.

Messi is the god of football. This is why many people regard him as the greatest ever. It's only a Ronaldo lover that'll rate him higher than Messi.

Pls tell me how Ronaldo led Portugal to the Euro glory. I'm actually serious about this question. I wanna know your opinions.

I am not taking anything from cr7 but Messi>>>cr7 anytime Any day
Cr7 is compared to Messi while Messi is compared to pele and Maradona.

Bykebyke, while I wouldn't engage in this Messi-CR7 debate as I find it extremely tedious and unenjoyable, I've to say your hypocrisy is so thick I can slice a knife through it.

I remember when some weeks back, different sites pointed out how Argentina were less efficient without Messi and more efficient with Messi on the team, you and your fellow Barca fans lapped it up and supported it. None of you disagreed that Argentina were more deadly with Messi playing, but now that Nihilist said if Ororo was on that pitch he'd have scored a hat-trick [I believe Nihilist exaggerated here though], a way of saying with Ororo on the pitch Portugal is more deadly, you guys are trying to shoot down the notion. Why the hypocrisy? If what's good for the goose is also good for the gander, why are you all of sudden trying to deny Ororo of his importance to Portugal? If you can believe that Argentina would have had better results if Messi didn't miss those matches, then Ororo would have likely score or pose more danger if Portugal had him on the pitch in that finals. If you disagree then it applies to Messi too after all he's on the pitch yesterday and Argentina still got rąped.


Now unto my second issue with you, you're once again downplaying Ororo's motivational speeches to his team-mates or his leadership qualities. It's glaring even to blind men that motivational speeches and acts inspired/inspires various sport teams over the years and will continue to do so. After every example Nihilist pointed to you, you still had to hate on Ororo. If that ain't enough, what about how he motivated Moutinho to take that PK when Moutinho had made up his mind to stop taking PKs because of his earlier failure? Abi na you talk to Moutinho?

It's on YouTube too, below is the news and the video is in the link in case you've suddenly forgotten.
http://m.sportskeeda.com/football/euro-2016-cristiano-ronaldo-convinced-joao-moutinho-take-penalty-shootout-portugal-poland-win


Blowing off another man's candle won't make yours light, just saying though.

Also here are different sport personalities inspiring thier teams to victory by thier speeches and acts.
http://talksport.com/magazine/features/130523/greatest-ever-inspirational-sporting-speeches-198226

sinizia:
Bykebyke, while I wouldn't engage in this Messi-CR7 debate as I find it extremely tedious and unenjoyable, I've to say your hypocrisy is so thick I can slice a knife through it.

I remember when some weeks back, different sites pointed out how Argentina were less efficient without Messi and more efficient with Messi on the team, you and your fellow Barca fans lapped it up and supported it. None of you disagreed that Argentina were more deadly with Messi playing, but now that Nihilist said if Ororo was on that pitch he'd have scored a hat-trick [I believe Nihilist exaggerated here though], a way of saying with Ororo on the pitch Portugal is more deadly, you guys are trying to shoot down the notion. Why the hypocrisy? If what's good for the goose is also good for the gander, why are you all of sudden trying to deny Ororo of his importance to Portugal? If you can believe that Argentina would have had better results if Messi didn't miss those matches, then Ororo would have likely score or pose more danger if Portugal had him on the pitch in that finals. If you disagree then it applies to Messi too after all he's on the pitch yesterday and Argentina still got rąped.


Now unto my second issue with you, you're once again downplaying Ororo's motivational speeches to his team-mates or his leadership qualities. It's glaring even to blind men that motivational speeches and acts inspired/inspires various sport teams over the years and will continue to do so. After every example Nihilist pointed to you, you still had to hate on Ororo. If that ain't enough, what about how he motivated Moutinho to take that PK when Moutinho had made up his to stop taking PKs because of his earlier failure? Abi na you talk to Moutinho?

It's on YouTube too, below is the news and the video is in the link in case you've suddenly forgotten.
http://m.sportskeeda.com/football/euro-2016-cristiano-ronaldo-convinced-joao-moutinho-take-penalty-shootout-portugal-poland-win


Blowing off another man's candle won't make yours light, just saying though.

Also here's different sport personalities inspiring thier teams to victory by thier speeches and acts.
http://talksport.com/magazine/features/130523/greatest-ever-inspirational-sporting-speeches-198226

A footballer is one who plays football on the pitch. We are arguing on who is a greater footballer between Messi and Ronaldo. Their primary duty is to lead their team to victory while playing on the pitch. If you wanna argue on who is a better motivator (off the pitch), then I think it's Ronaldo. One isn't a good footballer because he motivates his team of the pitch. It's what you play and how you influence your team positively on the pitch that matters.

sinizia:
Bykebyke, while I wouldn't engage in this Messi-CR7 debate as I find it extremely tedious and unenjoyable, I've to say your hypocrisy is so thick I can slice a knife through it.

I remember when some weeks back, different sites pointed out how Argentina were less efficient without Messi and more efficient with Messi on the team, you and your fellow Barca fans lapped it up and supported it. None of you disagreed that Argentina were more deadly with Messi playing, but now that Nihilist said if Ororo was on that pitch he'd have scored a hat-trick [I believe Nihilist exaggerated here though], a way of saying with Ororo on the pitch Portugal is more deadly, you guys are trying to shoot down the notion. Why the hypocrisy? If what's good for the goose is also good for the gander, why are you all of sudden trying to deny Ororo of his importance to Portugal? If you can believe that Argentina would have had better results if Messi didn't miss those matches, then Ororo would have likely score or pose more danger if Portugal had him on the pitch in that finals. If you disagree then it applies to Messi too after all he's on the pitch yesterday and Argentina still got rąped.

Note:I asked Nihilist what can he use to backup the Cristina would have scored a Hat Trick against France talk because there was nothing to suggest that as the score was still at 0-0 when He left.

I can back up my Argentina are more efficient with Messi because they have a higher win percentage in qualifiers since 2014-2016 with Messi than without Messi.

You can't use yesterday's match as the crux of your point because it was Messi's first loss in 90minutes with Argentina in 17games.

And yesterday was the worse Argentina have played,they literally wanted Messi to do it all,from attack to midfield,hence Messi not seeing a lot of the ball.

Now unto my second issue with you, you're once again downplaying Ororo's motivational speeches to his team-mates or his leadership qualities. It's glaring even to blind men that motivational speeches and acts inspired/inspires various sport teams over the years and will continue to do so. After every example Nihilist pointed to you, you still had to hate on Ororo. If that ain't enough, what about how he motivated Moutinho to take that PK when Moutinho had made up his to stop taking PKs because of his earlier failure? Abi na you talk to Moutinho?

It's on YouTube too, below is the news and the video is in the link in case you've suddenly forgotten.
http://m.sportskeeda.com/football/euro-2016-cristiano-ronaldo-convinced-joao-moutinho-take-penalty-shootout-portugal-poland-win


Blowing off another man's candle won't make yours light, just saying though.

Also here's different sport personalities inspiring thier teams to victory by thier speeches and acts.
http://talksport.com/magazine/features/130523/greatest-ever-inspirational-sporting-speeches-198226

What's this one supposed to mean?
Moutinho was being a püssy,Cristina told to stop being a püssy and go play the Penalty...Motivation?

Messi has stepped up first to go play a penalty for Argentina in a final as the captain and not wait for the last one to suck up all glory...nobody else..Messi.

Yes He missed one,that act is enough to get you motivated.
If your captain can go up first to take his pk..who the fück are you?

TRendlona:




A footballer is one who plays football on the pitch. We are arguing on who is a greater footballer between Messi and Ronaldo. Their primary duty is to lead their team to victory while playing on the pitch. If you wanna argue on who is a better motivator (off the pitch), then I think it's Ronaldo. One isn't a good footballer because he motivates his team of the pitch. It's what you play and how you influence your team positively on the pitch that matters.

I'm not arguing who's a better player between them, I thought I made that clear? My grouse is downplaying motivational acts. Whether you like it or not, CR7 motivated his team-mates to victory, and the likes of Maradona and others have chastised Messi for not being a LEADER enough to motivate his team to an international title. Just few days ago, an ex-footballer complained about it too and ask Bauza to strip Messi of his captain role and give it to Everton's Funes Mori. My own is, teams are not only motivated by playing but also by words and acts.

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Maybe if Messi had helped Higuain to stop being a půssy in the grand stage, maybe, just maybe he wouldnt have lost 3 finals.

sinizia:


Maybe if Messi had helped Higuain to stop being a půssy in the grand stage, maybe, just maybe he wouldnt have lost 3 finals.

I don't understand..Higuain went up and took his pen after seeing his captain go up and take his,He didn't cower.

bykebyke:

Note:I asked Nihilist what can he use to backup the Cristina would have scored a Hat Trick against France talk because there was nothing to suggest that as the score was still at 0-0 when He left.

I can back up my Argentina are more efficient with Messi because they have a higher win percentage in qualifiers since 2014-2016 with Messi than without Messi.

You can't use yesterday's match as the crux of your point because it was Messi's first loss in 90minutes with Argentina in 17games.

And yesterday was the worse Argentina have played,they literally wanted Messi to do it all,from attack to midfield,hence Messi not seeing a lot of the ball.


What's this one supposed to mean?
Moutinho was being a püssy,Cristina told to stop being a püssy and go play the Penalty...Motivation?

Messi has stepped up first to go play a penalty for Argentina in a final as the captain and not wait for the last one to suck up all glory...nobody else..Messi.

Yes He missed one,that act is enough to get you motivated.
If your captain can go up first to take his pk..who the fück are you?

There's nothing to suggest that Messi would have won the matches for Argentina if he was on the pitch too if you want to look at it that way. Wasn't he on the pitch when they lost yesterday? He'd have won since once he's on the pitch Argentina must win.


Story for the gods. Against Poland CR7 also stepped up first to take the PK for Portugal, so this your "sucking up the glory" excuse doesn't hold water.

bykebyke:

I don't understand..Higuain went up and took his pen after seeing his captain go up and take his,He didn't cower.

Same way i don't understand how someone low morale is inspired by CR7 but your hating won't let you see that.

sinizia:


I'm not arguing who's a better player between them, I thought I made that clear? My grouse is downplaying motivational acts. Whether you like it or not, CR7 motivated his team-mates to victory, and the likes of Maradona and others have chastised Messi for not being a LEADER enough to motivate his team to an international title.

His motivational acts are being used as a reason why He is better than Messi..As a Barcelona and MessiFc supporter why should I let that stand?

I should leave their individual capabilities and face motivational speeches?

When they both enter a pitch,is it to motivate the ball or to play it?

bykebyke:

His motivational acts are being used as a reason why He is better than Messi..As a Barcelona and MessiFc supporter why should I let that stand?

I should leave their individual capabilities and face motivational speeches?

When they both enter a pitch,is it to motivate the ball or to play it?

I don't care who's better between them, all I know is leadership qualities are needed on and off the pitch. If it wasn't Maradona and others wouldn't be bytching about it.

When they are on the pitch, they motivate thier team-mates while playing the ball.

sinizia:


There's nothing to suggest that Messi would have won the matches for Argentina if he was on the pitch too if you want to look at it that way. Wasn't he on the pitch when they lost yesterday? He'd have won since once he's on the pitch Argentina must win.


Story for the gods. Against Poland CR7 also stepped up first to take the PK for Portugal, so this your "sucking up the glory" excuse doesn't hold water.

There are stats to suggest that because Argentina have a higher win percentage with Messi than without Messi.
You accuse me of disregarding Cristina's motivational speeches,yet you disregard the stats that say Argentina play better with Messi than without Messi?
Isn't that the same hypocrisy you accused me of?

For your last point I said "in a Final."

TRendlona:




Mr Nihilist, a neutral person ll know Messi has been greater than Ronaldo all the years. A world cup didn't make Sergio Ramos greater than Paolo Maldini, a World cup didn't make Arbeloba greater than Dani Alves, an Euro doesn't make Ronaldo better than Messi.

[s]Messi is the god of football. This is why many people regard him as the greatest ever. It's only a Ronaldo lover that'll rate him higher than Messi.

Pls tell me how Ronaldo led Portugal to the Euro glory. I'm actually serious about this question. I wanna know your opinions.[/s]

Who told you that ? Paulo maldini was an inferior defender compared to sergio ramos, thats why he couldn't lead italy to victory at the world cup like ramos. This is what dayo has been using to rate players and most barca fans didnt object to it. We must use same for messi and ronaldo. So for the umpteenth time Ronaldo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>messi

sinizia:


I don't care who's better between them, all I know is leadership qualities are needed on and off the pitch. If it wasn't Maradona and others wouldn't be bytching about it.

When they are on the pitch, they motivate thier team-mates while playing the ball.

It's important..Yes I know and agree.

Can it be used as a reason He is better than Messi?..No way.

That's my point.

airmark:



Who told you that ? Paulo maldini was an inferior defender compared to sergio ramos, thats why he couldn't lead italy to victory at the world cup like ramos. This is what dayo has been using to rate players and most barca fans didnt object to it. We must use same for messi and ronaldo. So for the umpteenth time Ronaldo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>messi

airmark:



Who told you that ? Paulo maldini was an inferior defender compared to sergio ramos, thats why he couldn't lead italy to victory at the world cup like ramos. This is what dayo has been using to rate players and most barca fans didnt object to it. We must use same for messi and ronaldo. So for the umpteenth time Ronaldo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>messi

See this one sha.. Messi is compared to Pele and Maradona. Have u ever heard of any Ronaldo and Pele or Maradona comparison?

Lastly pls explain how Maldini was an inferior defender

bykebyke:
It's important..Yes I know and agree.
Can it be used as a reason He is better than Messi?..No way.
That's my point.

No, i wouldn't use it as a benchmark to rate him above Messi as well.

sinizia:


I don't care who's better between them, all I know is leadership qualities are needed on and off the pitch. If it wasn't Maradona and others wouldn't be bytching about it.

When they are on the pitch, they motivate thier team-mates while playing the ball.

sinizia:

No, i wouldn't use it as a benchmark to rate him above Messi as well.

Alright then..

Ugly scenes at Wembley!

airmark:



Who told you that ? Paulo maldini was an inferior defender compared to sergio ramos, thats why he couldn't lead italy to victory at the world cup like ramos. This is what dayo has been using to rate players and most barca fans didnt object to it. We must use same for messi and ronaldo. So for the umpteenth time Ronaldo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>messi

LMFAO!! This is why I said Dayo would say anything just win an argument. Judging by Dayo's hard stance on this, Maldini is even inferior to Fabio Grosso.

TRendlona:





See this one sha.. Messi is compared to Pele and Maradona. Have u ever heard of any Ronaldo and Pele or Maradona comparison?

Lastly pls explain how Maldini was an inferior defender

Maldini is not an inferior defender, I think you're missing Airmark's point. He's trying to expose some of the logic Dayo use in winning debates.

TRendlona:





See this one sha.. Messi is compared to Pele and Maradona. Have u ever heard of any Ronaldo and Pele or Maradona comparison?

Lastly pls explain how Maldini was an inferior defender

Let me use dayo raumdeuter's line, sergi ramos beasted and won european championships twice and a world cup for spain, because maldini was so useless, he couldn't win any of those competitions for italy. He failed woefully every time. Ramos is a god to him. If you are still not convinced, ask apari ramuzaki raumdeuter to explain further. Bykebyke can give you manual too.
Ronaldo >>>>>>>>>>>>messi

TRendlona:




Mr Nihilist, a neutral person ll know Messi has been greater than Ronaldo all the years. A world cup didn't make Sergio Ramos greater than Paolo Maldini, a World cup didn't make Arbeloba greater than Dani Alves, an Euro doesn't make Ronaldo better than Messi.

Messi is the god of football. This is why many people regard him as the greatest ever. It's only a Ronaldo lover that'll rate him higher than Messi.

Pls tell me how Ronaldo led Portugal to the Euro glory. I'm actually serious about this question. I wanna know your opinions.

My friend ronaldo >>> messi

Both mmessi and ronaldo av enjoy club trophies

but ronaldo is messi father when it cones to international trophies(because that's the main tin according to dayo)

This Airmark na another serious case.

airmark:


Let me use dayo raumdeuter's line, sergi ramos beasted and won european championship and world cup for spain, because maldini was so useless, he couldn't win any of those two for italy. He failed woefully. Ramos is a god to him. If you are still not convinced, ask apari ramuzaki raumdeuter to explain further. Bykebyke can give you manual too.
Ronaldo >>>>>>>>>>>>messi

Well.. That's your own business with Raum. I believe you know the point I was tryna pass across.

airmark:



Who told you that ? Paulo maldini was an inferior defender compared to sergio ramos, thats why he couldn't lead italy to victory at the world cup like ramos. This is what dayo has been using to rate players and most barca fans didnt object to it. We must use same for messi and ronaldo. So for the umpteenth time Ronaldo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>messi

exactly.