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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 4:59pm On Nov 13, 2016
SailorXY:
but how can you be having highest pass accuracy defending without the ball?

Pass accuracy only measures what is done on the ball.

If a team makes only 1 succesful pass during the game, they will post 100% pass completion, despite perhaps only having 10% possesion.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 5:05pm On Nov 13, 2016
Nihilist:
But how does this particular you've posted prove that Manyoo does not park the bus?

Stats is useless in the hand of someone who doesnt know how to interprete

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Lana1(m): 6:32pm On Nov 13, 2016
dopeJemi:


Stat or no stat, it is clear to a blind man that united only parked the bus against Liverpool in the second half, a team that boasts of the most chances created per possession cannot be a park the bus team, it's not possible

C'est fini
U kip saying this. Can u provide a link??
Besides what's the use of creating chances if u wont win d match?? Abi na "chances created per possession" go help us carry league?? Abi shey u neva check table to see where our "chances created per possession" has landed us??

Having the highest Pass accuracy does not stop u from being a park the bus team. How many of those passes were in the opponents half?? How many were in d final 3rd??

One or two safe passes from Fellaini to Smalling in our half while seating back is nothing to be proud of.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by joeace2020(m): 6:34pm On Nov 13, 2016
Oasis007:
undecided



Yet Haterz claim United is parking Bus under JM!

Wrong move man...A team can pass in their own third all day and maintain a fantastic pass accuracy of up to 90% so this does not debunk the idea that we park the bus. In fact stats like this and more show we probably are bus parkers. One of the slowest league runners, not topping the charts on total goals scored, one of the least productive front line of the top six...not forgetting how we quickly lock up shop once we've scored 2,3 or 4 goals and then start sleeping through halfs...Teams have scored 5, 6 this season because they don't relax and play defensively after scoring a few goals- Liverpool as a prime example. This is one philosophy that still points out mourinho's safe guard approach over Fergies incessant domination for 90 minutes win or loose and if that type of football is what we were playing, then i would have agreed that our high pass accuracy is really not a bus parking passing accuracy.

For me i am gradually tilting towards the argument that we are parking the bus and shamefully against hopeless teams like Burnley (I say this based on the substitutions Jose made in the match, slower Rooney and Fellaini for Mata and Lingard, not forgetting taking out Rashford who should have been made to go up top finding the goal like with hull city ) at Old Trafford. It only pains me that Mourinho only thinks throwing more money at mercenaries would solve the problem when it only breeds players playing for their instagram and not the badge. Haven't you heard we have the highest wage bill on the planet. A club like that should be challenging with the Barca's and Madrids not Fernabache and Feyernoord.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Lana1(m): 6:38pm On Nov 13, 2016
*sigh*
Chances created per possession?? When did that even become a thing?? So we should start overlooking Mourinho's negative approach and our league position and start celebrating chances created and Pass Accuracy??
*hisses* Ko ni da fun "chances created per blah blah blah". angry What rubbish!! angry


Arsenal fans are the ones who normally celebrate and overhype mediocre and irrelevant stats. Don't be an Arsenal fan!

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chidexxy007(m): 6:40pm On Nov 13, 2016
AdisaOwala:


Yeah
wow, so d guy don die. Had a great impact in Enyimba's run to d finals of d CL especially in 2003.. May his soul R.I.P
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Lana1(m): 6:44pm On Nov 13, 2016
joeace2020:


Wrong move man...A team can pass in their own third all day and maintain a fantastic pass accuracy of up to 90% so this does not debunk the idea that we park the bus. In fact stats like this and more show we probably are bus parkers. One of the slowest league runners, not topping the charts on total goals scored, one of the least productive front line of the top six...not forgetting how we quickly lock up shop once we've scored 2,3 or 4 goals and then start sleeping through halfs...Teams have scored 5, 6 this season because they don't relax and play defensively after scoring a few goals- Liverpool as a prime example. This is one philosophy that still points out mourinho's safe guard approach over Fergies incessant domination for 90 minutes win or loose and if that type of football is what we were playing, then i would have agreed that our high pass accuracy is really not a bus parking passing accuracy.

For me i am gradually tilting towards the argument that we are parking the bus and shamefully against hopeless teams like Burnley (I say this based on the substitutions Jose made in the match, slower Rooney and Fellaini for Mata and Lingard, not forgetting taking out Rashford who should have been made to go up top finding the goal like with hull city ) at Old Trafford. It only pains me that Mourinho only thinks throwing more money at mercenaries would solve the problem when it only breeds players playing for their instagram and not the badge. Haven't you heard we have the highest wage bill on the planet. A club like that should be challenging with the Barca's and Madrids not Fernabache and Feyernoord.
Thank u o. U're obviously someone that see's the bigger picture. Topping the league and being up there with Europe's elite.
Not someone that ll be celebrating highest Pass Accuracy, chances created and Positives from drawing Burnley at home and sitting 6th on the league table
Wtf!! So sad the small club mentality of some United fans these days
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by joeace2020(m): 6:50pm On Nov 13, 2016
Lana1:
Thank u o. U're obviously someone that see's the bigger picture. Topping the league and being up there with Europe's elite.
Not someone that ll be celebrating highest Pass Accuracy, chances created and Positives from drawing Burnley at home and sitting 6th on the league table
Wtf!! So sad the small club mentality of some United fans these days


It tells you how far we have dropped....Go to old pages on this thread during ferguson's time and you'll see us talking then about how many goals we should have scored, now na pass accuracy we dey count. May we never be like Arsenal who have been counting pass accuracy in England and europe for the last 10 years. Amen!
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by dopeJemi: 7:17pm On Nov 13, 2016
Lana1:
U kip saying this. Can u provide a link??
Besides what's the use of creating chances if u wont win d match?? Abi na "chances created per possession" go help us carry league?? Abi shey u neva check table to see where our "chances created per possession" has landed us??

Having the highest Pass accuracy does not stop u from being a park the bus team. How many of those passes were in the opponents half?? How many were in d final 3rd??

One or two safe passes from Fellaini to Smalling in our half while seating back is nothing to be proud of.

You did not talk about winning the league or winning games, you talked about us parking the bus a lot which is a very big lie

Don't know how pass accuracy and chances created are related in this discourse though, I said most chances created not pass accuracy

As for the link, here it is

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/row-zed/man-united-been-premier-leagues-8933300

I repeat, no team parks the bus and boast of such, it's not possible, no matter how it is twisted, it doesn't happen

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by dopeJemi: 7:22pm On Nov 13, 2016
Lana1:
Thank u o. U're obviously someone that see's the bigger picture. Topping the league and being up there with Europe's elite.
Not someone that ll be celebrating highest Pass Accuracy, chances created and Positives from drawing Burnley at home and sitting 6th on the league table
Wtf!! So sad the small club mentality of some United fans these days

Oga no dey change mouth and topic because you are beginning to talk rubbish

Wetin concern small club mentality for the matter? Was I the one that lied that we've been parking the bus? How does me disputing that fact relate to finding excuses for our poor results, how does it relate to having a small club mentality or finding solace in the fact that we boast of some positive statistics? Infact I dare you to bring up anything substantial to back up your park the bus claim

Bros, if you no like how things dey go, find another club support abeg or go coaching school, no be fight, the last thing we need here is you or anybody else's negative energy

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by adebayo201: 7:30pm On Nov 13, 2016
Nihilist:


Pass accuracy only measures what is done on the ball.

If a team makes only 1 succesful pass during the game, they will post 100% pass completion, despite perhaps only having 10% possesion.
what's made Hendersson to be better than Kante this season??
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by SIRcumalot: 7:34pm On Nov 13, 2016
joeace2020:


Wrong move man...A team can pass in their own third all day and maintain a fantastic pass accuracy of up to 90% so this does not debunk the idea that we park the bus. In fact stats like this and more show we probably are bus parkers. One of the slowest league runners, not topping the charts on total goals scored, one of the least productive front line of the top six...not forgetting how we quickly lock up shop once we've scored 2,3 or 4 goals and then start sleeping through halfs...Teams have scored 5, 6 this season because they don't relax and play defensively after scoring a few goals- Liverpool as a prime example. This is one philosophy that still points out mourinho's safe guard approach over Fergies incessant domination for 90 minutes win or loose and if that type of football is what we were playing, then i would have agreed that our high pass accuracy is really not a bus parking passing accuracy.

For me i am gradually tilting towards the argument that we are parking the bus and shamefully against hopeless teams like Burnley (I say this based on the substitutions Jose made in the match, slower Rooney and Fellaini for Mata and Lingard, not forgetting taking out Rashford who should have been made to go up top finding the goal like with hull city ) at Old Trafford. It only pains me that Mourinho only thinks throwing more money at mercenaries would solve the problem when it only breeds players playing for their instagram and not the badge. Haven't you heard we have the highest wage bill on the planet. A club like that should be challenging with the Barca's and Madrids not Fernabache and Feyernoord.
u too like speed sha
this is another interpretation of that sub.
Rooney veteran goal scorer and Fellani: good header,at a time when we laid siege to burnley's goal.
am never going to tackle bus parking tactics,sometimes na necessary evil.
a win against Arsenal and some more fumble from city and we are back in the race.
Chelsea don already lose Costa for some games so the season still long.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by joeace2020(m): 7:46pm On Nov 13, 2016
SIRcumalot:

u too like speed sha
this is another interpretation of that sub.
Rooney veteran goal scorer and Fellani: good header,at a time when we laid siege to burnley's goal.
am never going to tackle bus parking tactics,sometimes na necessary evil.
a win against Arsenal and some more fumble from city and we are back in the race.
Chelsea don already lose Costa for some games so the season still long.

Lol.. speed kills right? anyway we just have too many slow bodies that substitutions like this almost mean slow the game down. But Bros shey na only Chelsea dey above us? Abi we sef never loose players. imagine no bailey till February from the way i see it.. jambody Jones, error in waiting Smalling and that Rojo flop.. not to talk of darmian. Shey that swansea formation nor give you high bp
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by dopeJemi: 7:53pm On Nov 13, 2016
Una go come here dey complain from morning till night about how the team is this and that, everything that comes out of your mouth is negative, so what has changed? Nobody here has said the team is in good shape but e don turn crime now to talk about positives but no be crime to cry from morning till night about the negatives, we fight kagawa for not always seeing anything positive in Herrera but here we are doing the same with the team

If you want to win the league back to back, find Ferguson number, call him and beg him to come back or go to England and lead the team to glory your gaddamn self and stop complaining here, when all you talk about is how bad the manager is, how bad the team is, how this and that the team is, then you need to check yourself because it is becoming an eyesore seeing complaints here and there


Little wonder why this place is dry

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by eph12(m): 7:57pm On Nov 13, 2016
Parking the bus against a Barcelona or bayern madrid and co can sometimes be inevitable but against Liverpool or city where you have to abandon whatever philosophy you have so as to be able to get a point out of three is what am not comfortable with. We have the largest wage bill, the most expensive squad and still we're being forced to change our pattern against other top teams in the league when we should be the ones forcing them.

Initially we were having problems of having poor first halves but now it's the second halves in most cases. I have realised that whenever we're not leading after the first half we always struggle. And whenever we lead, the second half is always a waste of time. I believe the coach is working around the clock to correct these abnormalities [s] but then I don't have a lot of confidence in this coach [/s]
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 8:08pm On Nov 13, 2016
Somebody say Memphis
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by 21Savagw: 8:12pm On Nov 13, 2016
Oasis007:
undecided



Yet Haterz claim United is parking Bus under JM!

You have brought great shame on your club, country and username.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elrony(m): 8:34pm On Nov 13, 2016
All these people sef ehn.. angry
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by dubylhover(m): 8:46pm On Nov 13, 2016
dopeJemi:
Una go come here dey complain from morning till night about how the team is this and that, everything that comes out of your mouth is negative, so what has changed? Nobody here has said the team is in good shape but e don turn crime now to talk about positives but no be crime to cry from morning till night about the negatives, we fight kagawa for not always seeing anything positive in Herrera but here we are doing the same with the team

If you want to win the league back to back, find Ferguson number, call him and beg him to come back or go to England and lead the team to glory your gaddamn self and stop complaining here, when all you talk about is how bad the manager is, how bad the team is, how this and that the team is, then you need to check yourself because it is becoming an eyesore seeing complaints here and there


Little wonder why this place is dry
guy i swear if u were closeby,i'd buy u 2 bottles of heineken.most united fans need to realise that fergie is gone.u see d constant wailing from fans here.even barca is having a bit of our problems.they r not as lethal as under pep.most fans here just want mou to fail just to say 'they said so'.even diadem that doesnt lyk mou hasnt criticized him much d way i'd have expected.to replace a legend like fergie takes time.u cant have a baby in 1 mnth by impregnating 9 women. If mou cant lift us bk to whr we belong,then we r doomed
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 9:02pm On Nov 13, 2016
dubylhover:
guy i swear if u were closeby,i'd buy u 2 bottles of heineken.most united fans need to realise that fergie is gone.u see d constant wailing from fans here.even barca is having a bit of our problems.they r not as lethal as under pep.most fans here just want mou to fail just to say 'they said so'.even diadem that doesnt lyk mou hasnt criticized him much d way i'd have expected.to replace a legend like fergie takes time.u cant have a baby in 1 mnth by impregnating 9 women. If mou cant lift us bk to whr we belong,then we r doomed
Which Barca is not as lethal when compared with under Pep, Enrique won best Manager in Europe two seasons ago with Barca. Need I tell that's due to Barca's achievement? They won the league last season and currently sitting top of their group in the UCL. Compared with united {epic flop of a club for the past 3 seasons and counting,} sitting 3rd in ur group in EUROPA!!!!! shocked , and currently 6th in the league.
What I wanted to say is, don't use Barca and yawnited in the same sentence and that dude doesn't deserve 2 bottles of Heineken.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by SailorXY: 9:04pm On Nov 13, 2016
Nihilist:


Pass accuracy only measures what is done on the ball.

If a team makes only 1 succesful pass during the game, they will post 100% pass completion, despite perhaps only having 10% possesion.
Face value this would be right but not in reality. No team will have one pass per game just like no team under pressure from parking the bus will find the calmness making accurate passes in their box.

In perspective, United average possession is 55% (from 5,927 passes) which is 5th in the league.
17.4 shots/game which is 4th in the league (& 9th highest in all Europe)
5.6 shots on/game which is 6th in the league.
No team will average that parking the bus.

Last season United averaged nearly 68% (1st in the league) possession in the league with below 3 shots/game (18th in the league). If we observe it closely, that was the proper bus parking with effizy

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by SailorXY: 9:26pm On Nov 13, 2016
dopeJemi:
Una go come here dey complain from morning till night about how the team is this and that, everything that comes out of your mouth is negative, so what has changed? Nobody here has said the team is in good shape but e don turn crime now to talk about positives but no be crime to cry from morning till night about the negatives, we fight kagawa for not always seeing anything positive in Herrera but here we are doing the same with the team

If you want to win the league back to back, find Ferguson number, call him and beg him to come back or go to England and lead the team to glory your gaddamn self and stop complaining here, when all you talk about is how bad the manager is, how bad the team is, how this and that the team is, then you need to check yourself because it is becoming an eyesore seeing complaints here and there

Little wonder why this place is dry
35% possession against Liverpool - some people came out with fangs to announce how it was the lowest since OPTA.

37 chances created the very next match - nobody came to remind us that was also the highest since OPTA.

The MUFC fans even lap up crap from rivals & troll themselves with bollocks. Pitiable spectacle.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by dubylhover(m): 9:47pm On Nov 13, 2016
kokaneprodigy:

Which Barca is not as lethal when compared with under Pep, Enrique won best Manager in Europe two seasons ago with Barca. Need I tell that's due to Barca's achievement? They won the league last season and currently sitting top of their group in the UCL. Compared with united {epic flop of a club for the past 3 seasons and counting,} sitting 3rd in ur group in EUROPA!!!!! shocked , and currently 6th in the league.
What I wanted to say is, don't use Barca and yawnited in the same sentence and that dude doesn't deserve 2 bottles of Heineken.
if u truly understand d fundamentals of footbal nd u watched pep's team 09-11.u wud understand what i mean by decline.msn just saves them.their mf is shit compared to then,a fit xavi a younger iniesta nd busquets.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 10:01pm On Nov 13, 2016
SailorXY:

Face value this would be right but not in reality. No team will have one pass per game just like no team under pressure from parking the bus will find the calmness making accurate passes in their box.

In perspective, United average possession is 55% (from 5,927 passes) which is 5th in the league.
17.4 shots/game which is 4th in the league (& 9th highest in all Europe)
5.6 shots on/game which is 6th in the league.
No team will average that parking the bus.

Last season United averaged nearly 68% (1st in the league) possession in the league with below 3 shots/game (18th in the league). If we observe it closely, that was the proper bus parking with effizy

You will notice that none of the stats you've mentioned were listed in Oasis's original post...hence my original question.

It's taken a while, but at least you have arrived now cheesy

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by SIRcumalot: 10:06pm On Nov 13, 2016
joeace2020:


Lol.. speed kills right? anyway we just have too many slow bodies that substitutions like this almost mean slow the game down. But Bros shey na only Chelsea dey above us? Abi we sef never loose players. imagine no bailey till February from the way i see it.. jambody Jones, error in waiting Smalling and that Rojo flop.. not to talk of darmian. Shey that swansea formation nor give you high bp
Most of our next fixtures na games against teams wey dey around us dem gunners,spurs and everton.
Right now na only Liverpool dey out of reach and na solely based on schedule strength.
We never see Chelsea without Costa so hope still dey.
And as for bailey we get cover. blind-smalling is manageable.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by weedtaker: 10:29pm On Nov 13, 2016
Memphis with the double.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by bigkesh(m): 10:40pm On Nov 13, 2016
SIRcumalot:

Most of our next fixtures na games against teams wey dey around us dem gunners,spurs and everton.
Right now na only Liverpool dey out of reach and na solely based on schedule strength.
We never see Chelsea without Costa so hope still dey.
And as for bailey we get cover. blind-smalling is manageable.
Ever heard of the Batman?? I guess not
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elrony(m): 10:42pm On Nov 13, 2016
bigkesh:

Ever heard of the Batman?? I guess not

We don't know him here in England! grin

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Oasis007(m): 10:49pm On Nov 13, 2016
grin grin grin

Short of words!!!
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by sinizia: 10:56pm On Nov 13, 2016
Naysayers are too quick to join the usual suspects to scream Man Utd are parking the boss, but when told to provide proofs, they disappear like fart of a leperous old witch.


I'm tired of reading such BS without proofs. How are we parking the bus? Instead of screaming we're parking the bus, why don't you back it up with facts? No be Sport section again where ninjas will dig up every dirt on you to buttress their points? How come they ain't pulling up such facts to show we're parking the bus?


Apart from the second-half vs Loserfool, when did we park the bus? List the matches. Is it against Burnley? Against Stoke? Or against Shekpe? Against Swansea? Against Fenerbache? Against Hull and Bournemouth? Or the Watford that's already be debunked? Which ones abeg? Tell us.


If we're being truthful to ourselves, we'd admit that apart from points, we've improved than last season. We attempt more shots, more passes, more created chances etc., than under LvG. The reason why it seems we're parking the bus to Lana1 is because we ain't converting our chances. Blame it on Ibrahimovic the lazy Fûck and Mourinho for bringing him in the first place and then not having the balls to bench him.


Maybe we're parking the bus against Leceister too. Even against Stoke. If you want to know what bus-parking means, go watch Burnley vs Loserfool, Burnley vs United, Burnley vs Assanal, then come back and yap that we're parking the bus.


Check this link and tell me how this United team is parking the bus. I'm befuddled.

https://www.whoscored.com/Teams/32/Show/Manchester-United

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by sinizia: 11:00pm On Nov 13, 2016
Even Whoscored acknowledges our attacking threats. It's our conversion that's our major setback this season.

Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by weedtaker: 11:48pm On Nov 13, 2016
^^^don't know why are bordering yourself though, guys here don already make up dia mind, nothing you yarn or post go change matter.

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