FortuneTeller:


This attitude is why women must learn to be independent. Both of you should enter the marriage favouring one another, but due to our Nigerian mentality, it is rarely true. Please realize your argument can never be valid in places like Iceland, Sweden and the US.

Both the guy and op exhibited Nigerian mentality. Abi, didn't u read where Talk2bella said the woman is expected to clean, cook, give birth, change her name, be faithful, submissive, meek, diligent, steadfast, and make her home a success? And she even based her argument on those points to say that a man must kneel while proposing to a woman because of all those things women do. In Iceland, Sweden, US, is it their general mentality that women must cook, clean, change their names? I just wonder why u didn't point out this Nigerian mentality factor to Talk2bella but was very quick to point it out to the guy who even mentioned just one example.
A man being solely responsible to provide for the woman is as much Nigerian mentality as a woman cooking, cleaning and changing her name are.

Ifakiland:

No mind all dis chicken brain gals....after dem don read novel and watch dos mumu love film finish, dem go dey expect surprised proposal and goin down on one kneels with diamond (local gals dat don't even know d diff btw crystals and d real diamond). Future wife abeg ehn....if I no kneel down abeg say no u hear....so I can promote d side chick who will even remove d ring herself frm d box. Nigerian gals sef wan dey feel like queens....awon local biitches.

No mind them, they no know say nowadays, women wey sabi Wetin they want de even go ahead propose to the man sef, no time. If u see what u want, go for it and not wait for someone to come kneel in front of u before u use ur brain.

olagbemi118:
My great great grandfather didn't kneel to propose to my great great grandmother likewise my great grandfather. My great grandfather didn't kneel to propose to my great grandmother likewise my grandfather. My grandfather didn't kneel to propose to my grandmother likewise my father. And I am the true son of my father. That kneeling tin is strange to us jare. I don't know how to kneel ni. Can somebori pls teach me?

I de feel u. And I suppose ur parents and grand parents had peaceful marriage even though no one knelt for the other, so I wonder how this kneeling thing suddenly became mandatory whereas it can't guarantee peaceful marriage.

nwamehn:


Both the guy and op exhibited Nigerian mentality. Abi, didn't u read where Talk2bella said the woman is expected to clean, cook, give birth, change her name, be faithful, submissive, meek, diligent, steadfast, and make her home a success? And she even based her argument on those points to say that a man must kneel while proposing to a woman because of all those things women do. In Iceland, Sweden, US, is it their general mentality that women must cook, clean, change their names? I just wonder why u didn't point out this Nigerian mentality factor to Talk2bella but was very quick to point it out to the guy who even mentioned just one example.
A man being solely responsible to provide for the woman is as much Nigerian mentality as a woman cooking, cleaning and changing her name are.

Are you saying women don't cook, clean and change their names in those places

Raine80:
There is no must in a proposal..he asks in any way he feels that makes the moment poignant. It might be watching tv, having breakfast or maybe you are far away in a distant land. He has thought about making you his wife there are no rules and regulations about this. Insisting on one way of proposing is for fairytales....it's the thought not the method that's matters here.

Correct Lady. I wonder why we place much importance to things that naturally shouldn't matter. Placing rules and regulations to proposal not even the marriage itself.

FortuneTeller:


Are you saying women don't cook, clean and change their names in those places

No, the same way u cannot say that men don't provide for their wives in those places. So if u call the argument of men providing for their wives Nigerian mentality which wouldn't hold water in Iceland, Sweden and US, then the argument of women cleaning, cooking and changing their names would also be termed Nigerian mentality which also wouldn't hold water in Iceland, Sweden and US.

bigcp:
well 4me....kneeling down on one knee jst 2 propose isn't a big deal ... i can do it...that's only if she's 100% worth it...and it's impossible 4 a 9ja B!tch 2 worth it these days...because loyalty is 2 rare...good girls gone badtttt.... and again I've seen so many ladies turn a good man down...4 some 4kd up reasons beyond my comprehensive abilities....so it's beta not 2 kneel...but if kneeling dwn 2 a Lady/B!tch....or even getting married 2 a Lady/B!tch is what it takes 2 be a real man...then i don't want 2 be a real man/tied down 4ka...but a real N!gga 2 my Real family alone....
you've been spitting out real men this.... real men that...what abt real women....can we find a real woman these days...
but wait a minute...4k that sh!t...i don't even care.....

I agree with u brother but please stop disrespecting yourself. You are not a nigga and ladies are not bitches

lhawale:






Then don't marry, ko sa koja be

But he can always marry without kneeling to any person. His point is that he wouldn't kneel and if u say because of that he shouldn't marry, then u ar wrong, because there are millions of ladies of various classes in the world ready to marry without expecting someone to kneel before them.

nwamehn:


But he can always marry without kneeling to any person. His point is that he wouldn't kneel and if u say because of that he shouldn't marry, then u ar wrong, because there are millions of ladies of various classes in the world ready to marry without expecting someone to kneel before them.

There is no limitation, but the mind. Many women in the world, throughout time, have proposed to men.

Like recent posts have highlighted in various ways, it's down to culture, beliefs, expectations, paradigms and auto-imposed restrictions. Naija is unique, but not always in a positive way. Too happy to adopt foreign beliefs and trends, as quickly as we can.

Some want something unique and exciting, yet desire the same, tired, old things.

Herelefant:


There is no limitation, but the mind. Many women in the world, throughout time, have proposed to men.

Like recent posts have highlighted in various ways, it's down to culture, beliefs, expectations, paradigms and auto-imposed restrictions. Naija is unique, but not always in a positive way. Too happy to adopt foreign beliefs and trends, as quickly as we can.

Some want something unique and exciting, yet desire the same, tired, old things.

Very true. It's down to culture and how people view things. Honestly, I wished kneeling down would guarantee blissful marriage, I would have also thought about adopting it. But no, it doesn't, white people who practise the culture of kneeling down have far higher divorce rate than we, Nigerians, so what's the point?

Well,i guess this girl is still 15,when u get to 35,u will even ask him to throw it ffor u nd u will catch,stop using that mentality that u girls give up a lot to be with us.i swear 95 percent of women in Nigeria who is above 25 uses marriage as a prayer point now.so even if d guy no bring ring,there re other short cut to marriage(eg)lagos marriage.lol if u don't knw d meaning let me knw,i will explain

Ifakiland:
U made it sound like a gal is doing me a favour or helping me by marrying me....fork dat, I'm actually d one helping her ministry....I culd stay till 35 before getting married...can she? U talked abt her changing her name, been loyal, giving birth and all d oda BS....which job beats providing for her and d kids we both gonna produce (cos she even needs my sperm to birth d baby, she's later gonna start calling my child) so madam bone dat level....I WON'T kneel to propose to a gal....God forbid bad tin....I'll sit...look her in d face and ask....den we kiss and continue eating after Wc we go ohm and fork.

Lols, u are funny, na eberibe d worry U.

FortuneTeller:


This attitude is why women must learn to be independent. Both of you should enter the marriage favouring one another, but due to our Nigerian mentality, it is rarely true. Please realize your argument can never be valid in places like Iceland, Sweden and the US.

true. Thats why in Nigeria they call theirslvs HOUSE WIFE.
A woman was asked what does she do for a living, she said GIVING BIRTH FOR HER HUSBAND. You can see that even the birth spacing wont even work.

makydebbie:
Your use of imagery is beautiful, I almost saw him proposing to me

I pray it happens soon

LastProphet:
this is what they call complete nonsense. not surprised hearing this crap from kardashian fans, so the man that goes out to take all sort of insults in the name of feeding the family does not deserve some kneeling by the woman? do you know what men go through out there in the course of their work? all these yeye TV watching girls of this generation really really irritate me. their only hope anyway are the plenty mofos and deluded young men of today who will thoughtlessly oblige them. and infact if a man will kneel to u, u hv no right to make it public-that is bragging and that is what this generation of silly girls are all about. no real man with sense up to a donkey's will kneel for anybody women inclusive, a real man respects everybody moreso his future wife but kneeling is a sign of undiluted stupidity. u better clear your head of the nonsense kayne west and his wife are putting in ur empty skulls

I call the Indomie generation.

Splinz:
Hmm. The only reason why I'd kneel to propose is simply because I don't want to hurt her fragile ego.

I'm sure you are going to do that anyway to pruve yhu aren't a boy

Splinz:
Hmm. The only reason why I'd kneel to propose is simply because I don't want to hurt her fragile ego.

I'm sure you are going to do that anyway to pruve yhu aren't a boy

SafeDavid:
Good write up Bella.

I like the part where you said she sees all your flaws.
It also goes both ways.

Besides, I don't see any big deal in kneeling since it has become tradition for the guy to do that.

whose tradition ur {African} tradition or oyibo man's tradition
u beta don't start what you can't finish!
The art/act of kneeling down is a sign of absolute submission of the kneeler to the 'kneelee' just as a servant does to his Lord. Even d op agrees to this:

Talk2Bella:
Do you want to know the symbolism of going down on one knee to propose? That’s submission, that’s protection, that’s acceptance, that’s seeking, you go down on one knee, look up to her and she looks down on you

Was d man built to submit to d woman or vice versa?
Both major religion [b]affirms that d woman is to #submit to the man!

(Ephesians 5:22 KJV) Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

(Ephesians 5:23 KJV) For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

(Ephesians 5:25 KJV) Husbands, love your wives even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

Even our African tradition/religion concurs DT d man is d head,leader ; and d woman is to submit to her man.

Kneeling down to our woman symbolises DT she is d lord and u will do her bidding once u get married. After marriage d mugu now realises dt he's d head of d house and tries to 'enforce' ds toga leaving d girl confused and bitter cos he had made her to believe b4 now dt she was d lord!

caution: "the meat u don't eat, u don't divide with our teeth";
" what u won't tolerate in the afternoon, u don't condone in d morning "
A word is enuff 4 da wyse!

Prince16:


whose tradition ur {African} tradition or oyibo man's tradition
u beta don't start what you can't finish!
The art/act of kneeling down is a sign of absolute submission of the kneeler to the 'kneelee' just as a servant does to his Lord. Even d op agrees to this:



Was d man built to submit to d woman or vice versa?
Both major religion affirms that d woman is to #submit to the man!

(Ephesians 5:22 KJV) Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

(Ephesians 5:23 KJV) For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

(Ephesians 5:25 KJV) Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

Even our African tradition/religion concurs DT d man is d head,leader ; and d woman is to submit to her man.

Kneeling down to our woman symbolises DT she is d lord and u will do her bidding once u get married. After marriage d mugu now realises dt he's d head of d house and tries to 'enforce' ds toga leaving d girl confused and bitter cos he had made her to believe b4 now dt she was d lord!

caution: "the meat u don't eat, u don't divide with our teeth";
" what u won't tolerate in the afternoon, u don't condone in d morning "
A word is enuff 4 da wyse!

You have your point.
Just the way respect is to be reciprocated, I believe it the same way for submission and being submitted to.

Samakus:




Guy, easy na. I don't get it why some people can't disagree in a respectful manner. That was meant to be a joke but you're taking it to heart

figo05:


U also miss d joke here but she didnt

hehehehe @fig, oh yes she did! she tried to make u think she didn't. See her #real response to ur comment:

Talk2Bella:


Leave him be

Recession has affected his sense of humor

LordIsaac:

I only kneel to God. Your definition of "real men" are just female cronies that are condemned to dutifully adhere to the whims and caprices of the female gender. And, for the record, a man pays a price to get a woman, must satisfy her in bed to keep her, provides for the daily needs of everyone in the home, gets his hands dirty to keep his home safe, take care of father and mother in laws....infact, he is doomed for perpetual slavery as long as he lives...to mention but a few. So, anytime you come across a man, kneel before him and like Sarah of old, call him LORD. Lords, don't kneel!!!

u are on point .... More grease to ur elbow

kneels down with both legs.

MissyQween
Will you Marry me ??

nwamehn:


No, the same way u cannot say that men don't provide for their wives in those places. So if u call the argument of men providing for their wives Nigerian mentality which wouldn't hold water in Iceland, Sweden and US, then the argument of women cleaning, cooking and changing their names would also be termed Nigerian mentality which also wouldn't hold water in Iceland, Sweden and US.

You haven't made a good argument. You have changed the course of the question and answer. Please go back and read, then give a proper response.

Nma27:
I doubt our grandfathers knelt down while proposing to our grandmothers and they grew old together o. Who kneeling down eep

Watching you again, very closely this time.

adodofemi:
Silly write up!....... I'm happily married to the most beautiful woman in the world. I never knelt down for her, I didn't propose like all these Kim Kardashian sisters would expect, we were friends and we just saw ourselves glued and that was all. I've never disrespected her and she has never looked me in the eye as a sign of disrespect. We are happy together, blessed with a set of twin boys, Eni&Teni. Abeg, no be by kneeling down to propose o. God's grace, determination to keep going on no matter what, maturity and love. These and some other ones make a happy marriage.

Talk2Bella:


You have never disrespected your wife but you come here to disrespect me by saying my write up is silly

Thanks

SMH! Gurl, I can see some issues!
He said d write-up is silly {I concur}

So how does that translate to disrespect?
A wise man once said ,"even d fool is considered wise in as much as he keeps his mouth tightly shut".
ur writeup was a real 'fall-hand'.
Pls ,I beg u in what u hold most dear, don't spew such again!

Prince16:







SMH! Gurl, I can see some issues!
He said d write-up is silly {I concur}

So how does that translate to disrespect?
A wise man once said ,"even d fool is considered wise in as much as he keeps his mouth tightly shut".
ur writeup was a real 'fall-hand'.
Pls ,I beg u in what u hold most dear, don't spew such again!

Your opinion

gemale:

My dream proposal is dt we r both sitting, I open my suitcase, bring out a spiral-bound copy of a prenuptial agreement I wld hv prepared wt a gud lawyer along wt d ring in its box, gv dem both 2 her & tell her 2 review d prenuptial agreement wt a lawyer & if she has any issues, get back 2 me so we can thrash out those unclear areas. If she finds d terms satisfactory, she shld sign & can start wearing d ring.

even their prima donna -Kim kard was made to sign a prenup by kanye!
SMH

bitchcrafts:
Excuse me, what if hes has one and a half leg?

Then he's already kneeling (no stress). All that is left is to pop the question.

Me kneel down to propose, God forbid. The ladies choke u with indirect proposal like. Do you want to marry me? Is this relationship for marriage?. Just because à white man does it make it the right thing. They have higher divorce raté.

Ifakiland:
U made it sound like a gal is doing me a favour or helping me by marrying me....fork dat, I'm actually d one helping her ministry....I culd stay till 35 before getting married...can she? U talked abt her changing her name, been loyal, giving birth and all d oda BS....which job beats providing for her and d kids we both gonna produce (cos she even needs my sperm to birth d baby, she's later gonna start calling my child) so madam bone dat level....I WON'T kneel to propose to a gal....God forbid bad tin....I'll sit...look her in d face and ask....den we kiss and continue eating after Wc we go ohm and fork.

Young man, what part of the bush are you from? Its obvious you have no regard for women. I pity the woman who will marry you.

No wonder marriages of this generation don't last, kneel ko, prostrate ni...

Talk2Bella:
Too much are expected of women, we must clean, cook, give birth, change our names, be faithful, submissive, meek, diligent, steadfast, and make our homes a success.


From the day a woman is born these instructions are like a program installed in her brain, she’s been programmed to do these things without questions and abide by them, women give up so much to be in the marital race, they give up more than the men and one single thing a man should do to make a woman feel special, one thing he should do to show sign of commitment, one thing he should do to show he’s going to be her burden bearer for life, he feels too big to do it because he says he’s not a white man.


Do you know what differentiates a man from a boy? If you don’t know this, you’re still a boy it doesn’t matter how old you are, real men know what to do, real men don’t feel ashamed to do things, real men don’t say “what will my friends think of me when I do these things for her” real men are doers, real men are pace setters, real men make boys envious and want to be like them, he thinks and weighs his actions, he foresees and makes plans for the future, he knows going down on one kneel to propose to the woman he loves is a sign of commitment and not a macho contest, he knows this is a must.


I accompanied a friend to go get an engagement ring, he wanted to plan a surprise engagement party for his soon to be fiancée, while we were getting the rings he said to me “Bella I don’t think I’d be able to go down on one knee to propose, I am a wolf, I lead a pack, I can’t go down on one kneel to propose”. I felt like a sledge hammer had hit me on the head, I must have turned bright red at the moment because I kept saying “You’re not serious, she’s the queen of the pack, even a wolf bows to his queen, he kept blabbing how he didn’t think he will be able to do it because the pack would be there.


Do you want to know the symbolism of going down on one knee to propose? That’s submission, that’s protection, that’s acceptance, that’s seeking, you go down on one knee, look up to her and she looks down on you, she sees all your flaws and accepts you for who you are and not what you are, in that moment you kneel you have given her the impression that she comes first before anyone, your back is there to bear her burdens, your shoulder is there for her to rest on, your knee is there to support her, when she looks down on you with love and sincerity her prayers for you are accepted in heaven. Going down on one knee represents, honor, respect, surrender, humility, etc.


Real men know what I mean, real men know what I’m talking about, it’s another Saturday and you’re screaming women are evil, women are deceitful, women are cunning, women are this, women are that but your mates are getting married because they know the right thing to do, keep saying you can’t go down on one knee to propose and your future partner will keep passing you by.



Isabella Ibeji


http://www.talk2bella.com/2016/12/why-every-man-must-bend-kneel-to-propose.html

Must we copy every white man culture, proposing on kneels is nt called for in African culture

Women are wolfs now. Were is the wife material?