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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by lastpage: 2:33pm On Dec 22, 2016
Yea, l quarrel with all "whining babies" and fraudsters! tongue tongue tongue

Bring it on or go to Court.

Criminals whine ........while real men take their grouse to COURT
undecided undecided




Lastpage!

PS: Just watch as the Rodents/Vermins begin to assemble themselves, with their fake user i.d.'s
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by mavverick: 2:44pm On Dec 22, 2016
Gat no time for fraudsters grin grin . They can say whatever they like, thats why they are unlikely to ever build a house, fraud doesn't pay !

Moving on, anyone got LAKE rice, and whats the experience ?

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by sensegiver: 3:19pm On Dec 22, 2016
So 3strikes was right after all....See the bolded below. Lastpage is working with Brabus. infact all your comments seems to be paving way for his comeback.

So you advised him to defraud people more and then supports him....is that what Brabus is thanking you for? .....People are you seeing this pattern?

just saying....

#3strikes!!!





n3xt:
@ lastpage, I'll go with option 2 above. Trial starts Feb 6, 2017

In Nigeria, you must cook up a story for your case to hold water.

First, it was SARS vs Brabus. When nothing happened, they petitioned AIG that I bribed officers.

Second, when AIG couldn't get a resolve, the police throw the case to court.

So you're believing stories of those who does not even know the name of the magistrate or the date of the trial. Abeg!

Thank you for your fatherly and brotherly advice and support. I remain strong!


_______
I'm outta here for the Christmas. I don't want this to derail a peaceful thread. I just need to say my Christmas greetings to you all.

Peace!

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by bfire(m): 3:20pm On Dec 22, 2016
lastpage:


Sir, Let me be very 'brief' with you:

1. I dont call someone a thief, if they have not stolen from me or they have not been convicted of stealing in a court of law. I just dont call people a thief simply because others said so. I was hoping his current trial will out doubts (positive or negative to rest) but until then, l will give him the benefit of doubt. I just dont roll with the crowd.

2.) I am matured enough to know that when two people go into a business transaction (like build me a house and l would pay you x-amount), if there are disagreements, of whatever kind, the best place to resolve it is either between themselves or in court.............. not in a mob-style, lynch-him, on Social Media.
You can see the example of the man who took him to a Law Court, and l applaud that move so much. Let the Courts decide. Most Nigerians are too emotional, instead of being practical.

3.) That l do not join you or others to condemn someone does not mean l am "defending him", .........it simply means "l am being my own man, using my own brain and making my own decisions as to how to treat the person". You will at least agree with me that l reserve that right?

4.) I do not subscribe to the "undue pressure" people mount on others here, just to 'go with the flow' and do as others are doing! I think everyone should be able to make up their minds as to how they want to relate with anyone here. I have seen a 'grown-up man" capitulate under pressure, just to satisfy those who think they make the rules around here! That is very annoying to me and no amount of pressure will change my position. The only thing that can change my views is hard evidence and conviction at the appropriate Courts,.... not Mob Justice!
I will treat Brabus the same way l would treat anyone here (with respect, friendliness and fairness), until they dupe me or are convicted of duping someone else, by an competent authority.

5.) Finally, When l registered on Nairaland, nobody knew. I did not register with someone in mind. I did not register to make friends or enemies. I did not even have to register with my real name (just like all of you!). So, l have no personal connection to ANYONE on Nairaland, past what we do here anonymously.
The issue of RESPECT and REPUTATION is infantile for an anonymous moniker (no matter how anyone feels about the monicker @Lastpage! ). It is only important to those who want to 'make a life' out of Nairaland, build their personality on Nairaland affiliates and obtain their respect from nairaland!
All those things dont apply to me! I have a 'real life, real respect, real life reputation that would be the envy of many!
If my anonymous moniker has "reputation and respect" (as some people say! not me!!), how much more my real life personality? grin grin Think about it for a second.

I have said it times without number that l should be "viewed" like that Mallam that opens the gate in your street or polish your shoe (shoe-maker)
I dont want anyone calling me Oga/Sir/Daddy or respecting me beyond the usual "courtesy" of a complete stranger!

I dont know anyone here (in real life), not even Brabus! So, why should l forgo my principles, just to please strangers, on things l dont believe in?


The bottom line is this: Dont l have the right to believe that EVERYONE/ANYONE is INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY?
Has anyone offered me irrefutable PROOF of Brabus guilt?

Even the Courts, Lawyers, Judges and other members of "advanced society" do believe in that

For example, some said he used his Bus to steal building materials, yet NO EVIDENCE of him doing so is offered? Am l so dunce as to swallow such?
Even myself has been alleged to "share" in money paid to Brabus, l have been called a fraud, have been called Brabus, Commonsense101, e.t.c ...without a single PROOF being offered yet most folks here "swallowed it"!
Is it not someone who came here recently after the Dec 15 court appearance, to say "Brabus is in jail, l saw it with my own eyes"!
Has that not turned out to be a lie?

If most of his accusers can defame me, lie against me (and l know, just as they know they are lying), why should l believe them, about Brabus, if they dont offer me irrefutable proof?

Just think about it for a minute.

I think people who want to make/keep enmity with Brabus are FREE to do so! Its their right.
But do they have the right to tell me to "Do as they are doing"?

The right to self-determination is fundamental and people should grow-up and learn to respect the right of others to think independently.
I am writing all these out of courtesy as l dont have to defend my position to anyone but just so people can understand my "point of view" (not saying they should "accept" my point of view, .....which is their prerogative!)

I am not supporting Brabus, l am not defending him and at the same time, he is not my enemy and l have NOTHING against him so, l will as before continue to interact with him, as l do with others here.
Whomsoever does not like that can keep away from me (as in ignore my mentions).
That is your right and we dont have to fight over that or derail the thread over that.


Kappish?



Lastpage!

BTW: I think l am the only one here who constantly admonishes him to be of better behaviour, to be honest and be humble, for his name and his children, many, many times! Show me a single post where anyone has done that. Is that a bad thing to do?

The fact is noone can tell an adult what's good or what's bad.

Even Yoruba says: don't tell a child not to play with fire
when the fire hurts, then the message will have a meaning

Brabus, is like a dog that continuously bites and the owner
refuses to put it down. He's got more than enough chances.

His action could lead to someone to commit suicide; all of us
are not made equally.

The guy is a rogue and a thief!

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by mavverick: 3:49pm On Dec 22, 2016
What do you call those that are "aiding and abetting" / participating in criminal deeds so that others call fall into it, and they can collect thier share/proceeds from brabus ?

Simple question, simple answer.


bfire:


The fact is noone can tell an adult what's good or what's bad.

Even Yoruba says: don't tell a child not to play with fire
when the fire hurts, then the message will have a meaning

Brabus, is like a dog that continuously bites and the owner
refuses to put it down. He's got more than enough chances.

His action could lead to someone to commit suicide; all of us
are not made equally.

The guy is a rogue and a thief!

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by ice4u999(m): 3:56pm On Dec 22, 2016
segcymoor:

Wetin.dey smelling?

segcymoor:

Wetin.dey smelling?

My Oga I know say you want make I talk something.


Ok o first of all everyone forgive me for using this thread to do this because I have always asked people to take issues like this out of here.

When you steal from a man you are more or less committing murder. Because his money came from he or she losing blood and sweet.

@n3xt I don't know you bro but I know a lot of people have accused of defrauding them. Not to bear false witness because I wasn't there when what ever transaction or agreement took place. As result I would say, bro if know you have anyway defrauded people please find a way to call up those people and settle peacefully, because you can't use one finger to eat yam and oil without staining the others.
The sins of the father always tend to affect their children. So it is not you that I am worried about, i am more worried about the future impact because nothing evil goes unpunished. So I you really did what you are being accused please call everybody an come to a selltwment. At all at all Na better pass.

But if you are innocent of all these accusation please go about and enjoy yourself.

@ lastpage try not stand in the gap for what you don't know but if you do know then sorry o. But if you don't, what does it profit a man to take a shot for what he don't know.

I rest my case. Peace

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by erico2k2(m): 4:13pm On Dec 22, 2016
Me I just dey Observe . I'm too busy angry angry
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by fastestshipper: 4:21pm On Dec 22, 2016
So Brabus is back here??

From what I've seen so far, all of the people accusing you of fraud can't be wrong If some of them have been wrong. I'm no fool not to believe some of them have been right with accusation of fraud against you too. There have been too many against you that they have become indefensible and incomprehensible to any of us with conscience.

I will tell you as I feel, you have been toxic and need to find redemption. You need to ask for forgiveness. You need to find peace with those you have taken away what belongs to them. Your recent prosecution as published in the dailies can never make me have any conversation with you. I hate it when people diminish themselves with that label of FRAUD. I can't stand it. I know how hard it is to make money and I wouldn't take what belongs to another person. My reputation is very important to me.

My advise to you is to find way to meet those you have taken from them what belongs to them. They all can't be wrong. Don't you think so?

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by sensegiver: 4:30pm On Dec 22, 2016
This coming from fastestshipper brought tears to the corner of my eyes.....I wish i can give you 2 likes grin grin





fastestshipper:
So Brabus is back here??

From what I've seen so far, all of the people accusing you of fraud can't be wrong If some of them have been wrong. I'm no fool not to believe some of them have been right with accusation of fraud against you too. There have been too many against you that they have become indefensible and incomprehensible to any of us with conscience.

I will tell you as I feel, you have been toxic and need to find redemption. You need to ask for forgiveness. You need to find peace with those you have taken away what belongs to them. Your recent prosecution as published in the dailies can never make me have any conversation with you. I hate it when people diminish themselves with that label of FRAUD. I can't stand it. I know how hard it is to make money and I wouldn't take what belongs to another person. My reputation is very important to me.

My advise to you is to find way to meet those you have taken from them what belongs to them. They all can't be wrong. Don't you think so?

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by fastestshipper: 4:40pm On Dec 22, 2016
sensegiver:
This coming from fastestshipper brought tears to the corner of my eyes.....I wish i can give you 2 likes grin grin







Stay out of my mention. You are not my type either...

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by sensegiver: 4:44pm On Dec 22, 2016
Am not trying to toast you. just couldn't believe my eyes for what i just read. it was such a touching sermon. undecided


fastestshipper:



Stay out of my mention. You are not my type either...

Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by kolnel: 6:57am On Dec 23, 2016
http://www.vanguardngr.com/2016/11/estate-agent-docked-alleged-n5m-fraud/

I still wonder why anyone would want to associate himself with bad news
Unless he's benefitting from the criminal proceeds

Kudos to the good builders here
#teamhardwork
2017 will be a better years for all of us

And to that Bosun shoyeye, your nemesis will catch up with you
What a hardened criminal

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by AngelicBeing: 7:08am On Dec 23, 2016
As we all celebrate the festive moments in our various homes for those who have completed their projects and for those still in the construction process, may we viscerally emblematize the virtues of self-immolation, quintessential abnegation, forgive one another, and for him that has offended, hurt & stepped on others, reach out to all those you have offended and seek genuine forgiveness & reconciliation, eulogizeable simplicity, Christ-like humility and immerse ourselves in a platonic emotionalism of agape love and communalistic service or else we would have woefully failed in learning and imbibing the true meaning of Christmas the mass behind the Christ cool.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 10:48am On Dec 23, 2016
n3xt:
Wishing you a Merry Christmas!

You have not been cleared for one case you are jumping to another one. Just be carful maybe you might not come out alive in your next scam.

Do you know how people suffer and save to build, then u destroy their plans and cause pains n sleepless night to them

You better change or something bad might await you to fraud the next victim

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by lastpage: 11:36am On Dec 23, 2016
No need to wonder! There are better things to do with one's brain and time! grin grin

YOUR Opinion!

MY Opinion!!

They dont have to agree or align.
That is why we are ADULTS!
Capable of individual thoughts, reasoning and actions.

Why most of you still think it is RIGHT that l MUST follow your reasoning, despite being warped and illogical IMO, still bothers me?

I am not saying you'all should not hate anyone or thrash him or arrest him or even avoid him. THAT IS YOUR RIGHT!

But it is non of my business!
I make decisions based on WHAT I THINK............ not what YOU'ALL THINK!

By now, everybody who does not agree with me should mind their business, ignore my mention and face front!
That is not a reason to fight, it just means we are MINDING OUR OWN BUSINESS.

The thread can have "Peace" without everybody being a hypocrite or suffering herd mentality.
U dont abuse me, l dont abuse You. SIMPLE!!


Just ignore my mention and keep talking BUILDING!
Is that too hard to grasp or do?




Lastpage!

BTW: Where is that peodophile @DrGoodman ? Come out now and let me dispatch you finally. grin grin

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by sensegiver: 4:34pm On Dec 23, 2016
Hmmm. Perfect time!

#MagistrateNike










n3xt:
@ lastpage, I'll go with option 2 above. Trial starts Feb 6, 2017

In Nigeria, you must cook up a story for your case to hold water.

First, it was SARS vs Brabus. When nothing happened, they petitioned AIG that I bribed officers.

Second, when AIG couldn't get a resolve, the police throw the case to court.

So you're believing stories of those who does not even know the name of the magistrate or the date of the trial. Abeg!

Thank you for your fatherly and brotherly advice and support. I remain strong!


_______
I'm outta here for the Christmas. I don't want this to derail a peaceful thread. I just need to say my Christmas greetings to you all.

Peace!

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by sensegiver: 12:03pm On Dec 24, 2016
Where in d world is everyone?

... undecided
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by back2sender: 12:24pm On Dec 24, 2016
How can this woods be preserved for Use in a roofing taking place in May 2017??
Please share your ideas, suggestions and comments.
Compliments of the season.

Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by sensegiver: 12:47pm On Dec 24, 2016
What about if you paint / spray with black engine oil to keep the termites far from it? And make sure its not in direct contact with the earth(sand) or rain.

My 2 cents.


back2sender:
How can this woods be preserved for Use in a roofing taking place in May 2017??
Please share your ideas, suggestions and comments.
Compliments of the season.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by twinskenny(m): 2:29pm On Dec 24, 2016
sensegiver:
What about if you paint / spray with black engine oil to keep the termites far from it? And make sure its not in direct contact with the earth(sand) or rain.

My 2 cents.



Good advice and should be kept in a dry place

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by back2sender: 2:38pm On Dec 24, 2016
sensegiver:
What about if you paint / spray with black engine oil to keep the termites far from it? And make sure its not in direct contact with the earth(sand) or rain.

My 2 cents.


Thanks man for this great advice. Compliments of the season

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by back2sender: 2:44pm On Dec 24, 2016
How many copies comes with a survey plan?
Which of the above copies should be registered?
Who does the registering? Surveyor or client?
The amount charged for the survey plan does it covers the cost of registering as well ?
Where in alausa ikeja can this be registered or check if a survey plan has been registered.
Thanks all for you comments and suggestions in advance
Am grateful to all here, learnt alot from you all.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by sensegiver: 3:45pm On Dec 24, 2016

@back2sender baba compliments!

The survey plan must be 5 pieces, 3 cloths and 2 papers all must have stamps and address of the surveyor.

There is one called red copy.Red copy is not meant for the client to see It is to be lodged at office of the Surveyor general of the state. In this case Alausa ikeja lagos.
You then ask to see the evidence of submission with reciepts.


Pls visit this page to get all your answers. https://www.nairaland.com/921525/top-10-land-survey-plan

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by back2sender: 6:42pm On Dec 24, 2016
Though the surveyor Seems fair in his dealings at least he told me the right person to pay foundation money back then and i had no issues also collected my family receipt which i confirmed to be genuine. I did my survey plan feb 2014 n i have not gone to alausa to check if it was lodged or not.
I have 5 copies, 2cloths n 3papers.
Any idea on how much to check this out in alausa, an assistant director i know in health gave me a contact to meet in lands. I plan to see the person next week after the holidays.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by kolnel: 7:21am On Dec 25, 2016
Merry Xmas to y'all
I need to put my external security lights on timer
So that it comes on at 6 goes off by 7
Who has an idea
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by abunafiu(m): 8:32am On Dec 25, 2016
kolnel:
Merry Xmas to y'all
I need to put my external security lights on timer
So that it comes on at 6 goes off by 7
Who has an idea
I have got an idea but for fast deliveries kindly contact and VERIFY these TRUSTED nairalanders.
1. juo
2. kiekie1

They both sell various types of those timer switches u mentioned.

Merry Christmas to you too.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by kolnel: 9:07am On Dec 25, 2016
abunafiu:

I have got an idea but for fast deliveries kindly contact and VERIFY these TRUSTED nairalanders.
1. juo
2. kiekie1

They both sell various types of those timer switches u mentioned.

Merry Christmas to you too.

Thanks so much
Can I also put the lights on solar
Cost idea ?
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by earthrealm(m): 11:42am On Dec 25, 2016
kolnel:
Merry Xmas to y'all
I need to put my external security lights on timer
So that it comes on at 6 goes off by 7
Who has an idea

would be very easy to do, if they are all on the same loop, you simple connect it to the timer socket which comes with a 13amp plug&socket.

[@house, sorry couldnt locate the info on fencing again, gat 2 plots of land ]50ft x 100ft] X 2 that i want to fence, there was a calculation some1 did on fencing, so as to have an idea of the cost, some1 should pls help me with it.

@abunafiu, congrats on ur new home and solar setup, seems your borehole pump is ac operated, wonder why you didnt g for a dc pump?.
2ndly whats the discharge rate of your 0.5hp pump?, ie 200liters per min or 400 etc...or if you dont know, how long does it take to fill your 5k/10k overhead tanks?
thanks
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by lastpage: 4:32pm On Dec 25, 2016
earthrealm:


would be very easy to do, if they are all on the same loop, you simple connect it to the timer socket which comes with a 13amp plug&socket.

@house, sorry couldnt locate the info on fencing again, gat 2 plots of land ]50ft x 100ft] X 2 that i want to fence, there was a calculation some1 did on fencing, so as to have an idea of the cost, some1 should pls help me with it.

@abunafiu, congrats on ur new home and solar setup, seems your borehole pump is ac operated, wonder why you didnt g for a dc pump?.
2ndly whats the discharge rate of your 0.5hp pump?, ie 200liters per min or 400 etc...or if you dont know, how long does it take to fill your 5k/10k overhead tanks?
thanks

The below was condensed some time ago. It was posted by @aasog though he has since deactivated the moniker (not my business!) but you can use it as a guide.
The prices would definitely have changed but the process/procedure is still the same, if you can substitute CURRENT PRICES.


COST OF BUILDING A FENCE
For 1 full plot of land.
All Professional QS and Construction Management Engineers like myself do it like this to calculate the total number of blocks we will use which will serve as #1 basis for other materials, and calculations.

1. Calculate the number of square feet in the fence walls. Multiply the length times the height of each wall. Then add up the results. For example, for a 60-by-120-foot fence, with walls 10 feet high, you have two walls that are 60-by-10 feet and two walls that are 120-by-10 feet. This gives you a total of 3600 square feet.

2. Now, we should consider the gates or entrance that will be left out and which are usually 16ft wide, and 10ft high, giving us a total of 160sq ft. Minus 160sq ft from 3600sq ft, giving us a net wall area of 3440 sq ft.

3. Find out how many 6 or 9 inches blocks fit into a sq ft by the net wall area. Both are about the same lenght, but just differ in thickness, and a sq ft will take 0.85 block. Meaning that a sq ft will take about a whole block. Now, multiply 0.85 x 3600, that gives us = 3,060 pieces of blocks.

PS: This just for blocks to be laid on casted rafted frame work for our fence if the land is dry.

B.

In Lay Man's Language, we will need"

1. 3060 pcs of 6x6 blocks (plus 5% which is an extra 153 extra block, because you will have broken ones) = 3213 pcs x 130 Naira = #417,690.

2. For a simple fence work, 100 blocks = 1 bag of cement x 32.13 plus, extra bags used for foundational work and concrete works that serves as reinforcement = 52 bags of cement x #1800 (depending on cement quality and location) = #93,600

3. For Iron rod I've always calculated 70 leghts for every fence.
Calcultion is far more complex, so wont go into it, therefore 70 lenght of 12mm rod = 70x1300 = #51,000 (plus binding wires and rings) = #55,000

4. Hey, lets not forget the woods that would be used for the framework, we need that too. Meaning, for every single pillars in the wall, you need 4 pcs of 2x4, and 4 pcs of 1x12, my detailed estimation, puts woods within #15,000

5. Sand (4 trucks 10 tonnes each), granite (1 truck 20 tonnes). Prices varies, but one truck of granite is #100,000 firm down here, and 4 trucks of sand makes #80,000 making it a complete total of #180,000

6. Finally, the gate which varies a lot. We have plain sheets, which wont last more than 10 years if superbly coated. And checkered plates which will last longer than your house if well coated. For some uninformed reasons, 90% of homes ive seen use plain sheet, and a gate of such value cost from #70,000 upwards, depending on the wrought iron designs on it. The best gate is checkered gate, and the cheapest with less design goes for around #150,000

7. Now, add up the cost of transporting the materials to the building site. If its close to where building materials are, I am guessing #15,000 most. If not, God help you.


If an individual like me handle it, I happily charge you #150,000 for my charges if the land is dry. I will go higher depender on the level of the water content of your land.

So, simple estimation for a dry land gate = #1,075,690

Cheers.




Lastpage!

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by erico2k2(m): 9:55pm On Dec 25, 2016
Dust blowing aging next storm brewing . We dey wait with koboko to flug the next person that comes here to cry of being duped . Or ripped
Nah that catapult are I go use

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by PhoenixReal: 6:58pm On Dec 26, 2016
pls, can someone help me with the estimate of building 3 shops. ( 8x6 or there about, the roof will be decking that can accommodate 3 Gp tanks for the purposes of business). your help will highly be appreciated. The site is somewhere in Awka Anambra state
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by mavverick: 1:47pm On Dec 27, 2016
I use similar stuff, basically put all the security lights on thesame circuit, connect it to a plug. They sell these plugs with timers on it and you set the time you want it to come on. This is how I control my flood lights especially in countries where you dont have maiguards.


kolnel:
Merry Xmas to y'all
I need to put my external security lights on timer
So that it comes on at 6 goes off by 7
Who has an idea

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