BERNIMOORE:
Nothing to hold on, they are hell bent on cherry-picking selected tithe law, they are bent on misleading, but objective readers can easily discern their lustful greedy motives, kudos to All on this page standing by the truth, no one is saying that you shouldn't donate to the church but don't call it tithe because we are not under curse but grace

I will tithe... Come and stop me.

Gombs:


I will tithe... Come and stop me.

nobody is stopping you and dont even make yourself so important as if you are the main topic of discussion, but rather tell us ''the order of priesthood that you claim that jesus belong'' that you relied on in teaching tithing and not voluntary giving

plainbibletruth:


ANYTHING SERIOUS in the Word of God that the Christian needs to comply with is SPECIFICALLY mentioned in the epistles. Anything not stated there as REQUIRED of the Christian is UNIMPORTANT - TITHING INCLUDED.

Lol... Smoking was not stated as required... So, it's unimportant in Christian habit?

Gambling too?

Balanced diet was not stated as required, is it unimportant.? (remember a gym was mentioned... And required sef)

I want to think that you're old enough as a Christian to know that the issue is not about us. It is about God. Did Uzzah complain when he wanted to help God with stabilizing the Ark? Did God accept his non-complaint? The issue is not whether tithers are excited about doing it or not, the issue is are they doing God's will?

So, it is against God's will to tithe? Nothing I no go read for nairaland

Any scriptures?

Let us not go into semantics and grammar like Gombs tried to do with i think Candour. What is the difference between NECESSITY AND MANDATORY? Hardly any difference.
Merriam Webster Dictionary:[i][/i]
necessity - something that you must have or do: something that is necessary.
necessary - so important that you do it or have it : absolutely needed.
So, what is your take?

Lol... I laughed because your painment for tithing is driving you southward

When you guys switch to using 'eternal principles' to push tithing you are actually saying that it something established from before time to be observed. And when you do that are you not saying it is MANDATORY and not left free will decision?

Is this what you comprehended?

BERNIMOORE:
on page 15 this is what you said below;



You earlier claimed in your post that "Jesus belong to an order of priesthood" but failed to tell us "the order of priesthood"

It's a no brainer na... It's the order of Melchizedek

it is very important to this discussion because of the The strange claim that Abraham paid tithe"through that strange priesthood order" so tell us the"priesthood order" that Jesus belong Are you happy now!

It's embarrassing you didn't really know this

Gombs:


I will tithe... Come and stop me.

"It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be BURDENED again by a yoke of slavery" Galatians 5: 1


Does our FREEDOM in Christ cover our giving? Absolutely YES!

The HISTORY of the early Church show how believers gave. There were numerous instances of GIVING. Not once was TITHING or any form of MANDATORY GIVING mentioned. Not once!

Instead what we find is the encouragement and challenge to choose to give and be generous in giving.

Today's tithing PROMOTERS however have succeeded in robbing the Christian of his freedom purchased by Christ and have used all kinds of gimmicks to yoke the believer to a system of GIVING not mandated for the church age.

BERNIMOORE:
nobody is stopping you and dont even make yourself so important as if you are the main topic of discussion, but rather tell us ''the order of priesthood that you claim that jesus belong'' that you relied on in teaching tithing and not voluntary giving

Candour:


Yes he's the same and I'm sure he doesnt mean any harm by it.

Family is fine bro. Trust you and yours are well too

Compliment Bro.
Longest time.

plainbibletruth:


"It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be BURDENED again by a yoke of slavery" Galatians 5: 1

I and other tithers want to be burdened.. We appreciate your concern, but.. We're just fine bro

Does our FREEDOM in Christ cover our giving? Absolutely YES!

The HISTORY of the early Church show how believers gave. There were numerous instances of GIVING. Not once was TITHING or any form of MANDATORY GIVING mentioned. Not once!

No need for this deception. Where did you see anyone say tithing is a must? Is it not you guys that keep saying tithing must be stopped?

Instead what we find is the encouragement and challenge to choose to give and be generous in giving.

Today's tithing PROMOTERS however have succeeded in robbing the Christian of his freedom purchased by Christ and have used all kinds of gimmicks to yoke the believer to a system of GIVING not mandated for the church age.

Since Christ has given you a better revelation, how come you haven't started the revival? Start your own church and teach the new revelation God's given you na... All this mouth here can't help you on the day he asks you "how far"

Gombs:


It's a no brainer na... It's the order of Melchizedek
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Nothing like ''priesthood order'' of melchizedeck but rather ''order of Melchizedeck'' order here means 'likeness' or 'similar'/ 'similitude'
Hebrew 7:15
15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest
17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec

plainbibletruth:

ANYTHING SERIOUS in the Word of God that the Christian needs to comply with is SPECIFICALLY mentioned in the epistles. Anything not stated there as REQUIRED of the Christian is UNIMPORTANT - TITHING INCLUDED

That's not good enough as an escape .Epistles were not written to complete the Bible . They were written to deal with specific situations. If the controversy of fornicaation didn't arise in Corinth making Paul to write about it . Does it mean fornicstion would be justified ? The epistles didn't address incest or bestiality does let me ask you . Are they now justified or they are sins?

I want to think that you're old enough as a Christian to know that the issue is not about us. It is about God. Did Uzzah complain when he wanted to help God with stabilizing the Ark? Did God accept his non-complaint? The issue is not whether tithers are excited about doing it or not, the issue is are they doing God's will?

God said no one should touch the ark . God never stopped tithes .

Let us not go into semantics and grammar like Gombs tried to do with i think Candour. What is the difference between NECESSITY AND MANDATORY? Hardly any difference.Merriam Webster Dictionary:[i][/i]
necessity - something that you must have or do: something that is necessary.
necessary - so important that you do it or have it : absolutely needed.
So, what is your take?

It's different. Compulsory carry punitive measure necessity is to your advantage. Daily intake of water in necessity but not compulsory. coming early to work is compulsory.

When you guys switch to using 'eternal principles' to push tithing you are actually saying that it something established from before time to be observed. And when you do that are you not saying it is MANDATORY and not left free will decision?

Man has the right and ability to obey or disobey God. When you do the word you enjoy the benefit that accompanies it.

"It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be BURDENED again by a yoke of slavery" Galatians 5: 1

I agree with you .

Gombs

I and other tithers want to be burdened.. We appreciate your concern, but.. We're just fine bro

So, you prefer to stand AGAINST the clear word of God. If that is your choice what can we say?

No need for this deception. Where did you see anyone say tithing is a must? Is it not you guys that keep saying tithing must be stopped?

What Deception is in this: Does our FREEDOM in Christ cover our giving? Absolutely YES!

The HISTORY of the early Church show how believers gave. There were numerous instances of GIVING. Not once was TITHING or any form of MANDATORY GIVING mentioned. Not once!
Or did you not read through well?
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Since Christ has given you a better revelation, how come you haven't started the revival? Start your own church and teach the new revelation God's given you na... All this mouth here can't help you on the day he asks you "how far"

I see!! You are WORKS DRIVEN! That is why you guys feel that you need to DO TITHING in order to earn God's approval. No wonder!

openmine:

I tot i was rubbing minds with some one i dont know...i didnt know it was U...the tithe pastor
Well am still waiting for an answer ohhh....whether u be petra1 or not...

Is it the fellow who told a HIV positive person they didn't receive their healing because he didn't tithe? The one involved in that healing scandal?

Nna eh, I can't and won't talk again. These so-called men of God will receive their reward.

You tithers, watch and listen, what the prophetess Glenda Jackson said about you TITHERS surprise surprise, you won't make eternity with the Lord-but you will spend eternity in Hell, with your pastors.
Don't be fools-come back to the word of God, and be saved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Omfir6TJl58

Tithers Hmmm
Haven't you tithers notice any changes happening within the Church structure, more and more believers are seeking after the Word Of God more frequently, and none of you have questioned "why?
You tithers are still tithing-only because none of you are seeking after the truth.
Tithing is a lie from the beginning-it is a system put in place for Governments or Presidents, a scam used to draw in more funds to keep us under a control system.
Every Church that stands had made a deal with the Government or Presidents of each nation, Tax free, with a little donation here and there, keeps these Churches standing high and mighty with unbelieving Christians. If the world isn't pulling us all in line under their system, the Church is.

BERNIMOORE:
Nothing to hold on, they are hell bent on cherry-picking selected tithe law, they are bent on misleading, but objective readers can easily discern their lustful greedy motives, kudos to All on this page standing by the truth, no one is saying that you shouldn't donate to the church but don't call it tithe because we are not under curse but grace

Very correct!!

ichuka:

Compliment Bro.
Longest time.

Wish you same. Trust all is well with you and yours

BushWickBill:

Is it the fellow who told a HIV positive person they didn't receive their healing because he didn't tithe? The one involved in that healing scandal?

Nna eh, I can't and won't talk again. These so-called men of God will receive their reward.

Lol...yeah bro dat d guy...hiding under a different moniker...altar ego tins...lol

BERNIMOORE:
Nothing like ''priesthood order'' of melchizedeck but rather ''order of Melchizedeck'' order here means 'likeness' or 'similar'/ 'similitude'
Hebrew 7:15
15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest
17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec

Na wa o...

So for example, King James version is different from the version of King James?



Heheheheh

plainbibletruth:

So, you prefer to stand AGAINST the clear word of God. If that is your choice what can we say?

Where is tithing against the word of God ooooo?

What Deception is in this: Does our FREEDOM in Christ cover our giving? Absolutely YES!

The HISTORY of the early Church show how believers gave. There were numerous instances of GIVING. Not once was TITHING or any form of MANDATORY GIVING mentioned. Not once!
Or did you not read through well?
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Don't shift the goal post... The question is, where did anyone here say tithing is mandatory (a must)?

I see!! You are WORKS DRIVEN! That is why you guys feel that you need to DO TITHING in order to earn God's approval. No wonder!

I gree... Will you let me and tithing be now? See as you stylish avoided this

Since Christ has given you a better revelation, how come you haven't started the revival? Start your own church and teach the new revelation God's given you na... All this mouth here can't help you on the day he asks you "how far"


I can understand why

brocab:
You tithers, watch and listen, what the prophetess Glenda Jackson said about you TITHERS surprise surprise, you won't make eternity with the Lord-but you will spend eternity in Hell, with your pastors.
Don't be fools-come back to the word of God, and be saved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Omfir6TJl58

Do you share same belief?

petra1:


I've told you what to do

Sorry bro...I didn't get U....d only tin I know u said was that its "between U and God"...which 4 me lacks substance... so if I ask U wat gave U d conviction to believe in God tru Jesus Christ,U will start saying its between U and God?

petra1:

That's not nice . Hide for who? Don't you have another moniker?

Dats no excuse....

petra1:

All these because of one question

bro its a simple question which U r finding so hard to say...which means U r not sure of wat U r doing...

petra1:

Gombs!! . . . See what I'm saying .

So Gombs is now ur replacement/backup guy wen u get overwhelmed and confused.... Hahahahahaha.... I know of only one moniker that can do Dis....and Gombs go waka come....lol

Gombs:



Na wa o...

So for example, King James version is different from the version of King James?



Heheheheh

Here we are, it was you modern-tithe-Advocates that are Making a a case out of a mere phrase 'After the order' by twisting it to fit-into your pre-determined Modern-tithe-heresy for example you said 'jesus belongs to a priesthood order' relying on hebrews 7:17

But Hebrew 7, ‘DID NOT’ TREAT ‘‘AFTER’’ SEPARATELY, AND ‘‘ORDER’’ SEPARATELY (but as a phrase), .............

So (the phrase) ‘’AFTER THE ORDER’’ WAS ACTUALLY RENDERED USING (H1700), (using a strong lexicon);
Heb 7:15, 17
Psa 110:4

The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order (H1700) of Melchizedek.

That is JESUS WOULD BE A PRIEST “AFTER THE MANNER” OF MELCHIZEDEK; OR,

Hebrews 7:15
And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest (KJV),

And what we have said is even more clear if another priest like Melchizedek appears,

THE MANNER OF WHICH CHRIST 'WAS APPOINTED' A PRIEST 'SIMILAR' OR 'LIKE' OR 'IN RESEMBLANCE' OF MELCHIZEDECK THE ACIENT PRIEST, AS A ;PRIEST-KING, COMBINING IN HIMSELF THE TWO FUNCTIONS OF PRIEST AND KING,

SUCH A PRIEST AS HE WAS. HE WOULD NOT BE OF THE TRIBE OF LEVI; HE WOULD NOT BE IN THE REGULAR LINE OF THE PRIESTHOOD, BUT HE WOULD RESEMBLE, IN THE CHARACTERISTICS OF HIS OFFICE, THIS ANCIENT PRIEST-KING, COMBINING IN HIMSELF THE TWO FUNCTIONS OF PRIEST AND KING; AS A PRIEST, STANDING ALONE; NOT DERIVING HIS AUTHORITY FROM ANY LINE OF PREDECESSORS; AND HAVING NO SUCCESSORS..............

Zikky Not much documentation of melchi's priesthood other than his name and his status as king of Salem. His ancestry, birth and death were not recorded, he is assume to exist (as priest) forever (just like Christ). Melchizedek priesthood is a representation of Christ's priesthood with the following similarities:

1. Melchizedek was a priest upon his throne, just like Christ
2. Melchizedek has no successor just like Christ (if melchi has no successor, Christ cannot be sharing same priesthood with him). To say Christ succeeded Melchi is to say the melchizedekian priesthood is one of succession. I believe you understand the it's implication if you were to assume Christ officiates under this priesthood? the scriptures says Christ is a priest forever (did not succeed and cannot be succeeded by anybody otherwise it becomes one of succession like levitical priesthood

4 YRS AGO ZIKKY REFFERED YOU TO MY POST THAT I AM REPEATING NOW HERE;
https://www.nairaland.com/1456343/tithes-offerings-eternal-principles/17#18549521

^^^

And my answer remain same

Did you just write that the bible assumed Melchizedek existed as a priest? I have corrected you before, that he doesnt have beginning of day nor end of life is not the same as it was not recorded.

I told you Christ did not succeed (pass baton) Melchizedek....Na wa for u o. Of same priesthood is not same as passing baton.Christ did not succeed him, if Christ did then it means Melchizedek is no longer existing. Christ brought us salvation, he is a priest of his own kind, but of d same order o! Of his own kind was because he brought us salvation with his blood, Melchizedek didnt....but all of them are of same ORDER!

Hebrews 7v 11AMP:
Now if perfection (a perfect fellowship between God and the worshiper) had been attainable by the Levitical priesthood—for under it the people were given the Law—why was it further necessary that there should arise another and different kind of Priest, [size=32pt]one after the order of Melchizedek, [/size] rather than one appointed after the order and rank of Aaron?

Isn't it amazing that after all these years my writings agree with themselves and you all just keep changing stance.

If it's not

1. Tithing is of the law; it'll be

2. Tithing is not monetary or

3. Tithe of Abraham was war spoils only

4. Tithing is a sin and tithers and their pastors will go to hell

Etc

I've seen it all bro

Gombs

Where is tithing against the word of God ooooo?

Don't MISREPRESENT what we are saying.
What we are saying is this: The Christian is NOT UNDER ANY obligation to tithe.
The Christian is to personally choose what to give and should not be coerced, pressured or manipulated in any form to give any particular amount or particular PERCENTAGE of money.
The rule is - each one should give as he has purposed in his heart. To that extent, MANDATORY TITHING runs CONTRARY to God's rule for GIVING for the new Testament believer.

Don't shift the goal post... The question is, where did anyone here say tithing is mandatory (a must)?

I gree... Will you let me and tithing be now? See as you stylish avoided this

Since Christ has given you a better revelation, how come you haven't started the revival? Start your own church and teach the new revelation God's given you na... All this mouth here can't help you on the day he asks you "how far"


I can understand why

I can't recall mentioning that Christ has personally given me a new revelation. ALL that we need for our spiritual under the New Covenant has been given to us. AND, btw, TITHING IS NOT included there.

openmine:

Sorry bro...I didn't get U....d

What I told you is that if you you asked a question and I missed it out. Just kindly re ask or re post .

bro its a simple question which U r finding so hard to say...which means U r not sure of wat U r doing...

I was referring to you . That all these yabis is just because I asked you a simple question. "What scripture were they reading in Paul's day" and you began to dabaru everywhere . I understand Sha and it made me feel good you know .

So Gombs is now ur replacement

Mba nunu maybe that's what you do . It's childish na. Gombs doesn't speak my language . We don't agree on all points. So he can't back up for me nor speak for me. Why would I need support . It's not about how many people with you . It's about how strong my convictions.

backup guy wen u get overwhelmed and confused.... Hahahahahaha.... I know of only one moniker that can do Dis....and Gombs go waka come....lol

Same response as above . That's what we see you guys do na. Ibe not complained of being overwhelmed yet .

petra1:


He's our ancestor also . He's our father of faith .

Galatians 3:14 (KJV Strong's)
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Thats the problem I am talking about, you calling a jewish ancestor your father
as an African, that is shameful. what jew has ever called any of your ancestors his father?

Your religion strips of off your Identity and turns you into a mental slave to foreign nations (in this case The Jewish and Romans)

plainbibletruth:

Don't MISREPRESENT what we are saying.
What we are saying is this: The Christian is NOT UNDER ANY obligation to tithe.
The Christian is to personally choose what to give and should not be coerced, pressured or manipulated in any form to give any particular amount or particular PERCENTAGE of money.
The rule is - each one should give as he has purposed in his heart. To that extent, MANDATORY TITHING runs CONTRARY to God's rule for GIVING for the new Testament believer.








I can't recall mentioning that Christ has personally given me a new revelation. ALL that we need for our spiritual under the New Covenant has been given to us. AND, btw, TITHING IS NOT included there.

Thanks for your time

petra1:


What I told you is that if you you asked a question and I missed it out. Just kindly re ask or re post .

No bro....If U r the type that wud want to learn,U wud have gone back to my previous post 2 extract those questions but U r feeling like U dont even need to...Thats pride bro
Okay just one question...only just one....prove Ur tithe beliefs aka tithe is a "eternal principle"....Hope U have seen it?

petra1:

I was referring to you . That all these yabis is just because I asked you a simple question. "What scripture were they reading in Paul's day" and you began to dabaru everywhere . I understand Sha and it made me feel good you know .

Bro petra1...stop being mischievous or sounding like u wanna cry....before U asked me those simple questions about paul's day bla bla bla...i had asked U series of questions including ur beliefs about tithe being an eternal principle...guess what?
I didnt get a single reply...but rather U kept asking me questions and i replied....And guess what i dont see it as making U feel good...It simply makes U look fraudulent and evasive
U know absolutely nothing about Ur beliefs....

petra1:

Mba nunu maybe that's what you do . It's childish na. Gombs doesn't speak my language . We don't agree on all points. So he can't back up for me nor speak for me. Why would I need support . It's not about how many people with you . It's about how strong my convictions.

Ohh yes...Gombs is ur savior any time U r lost or Speechless...You call him to backup with "funny memes" and a "like" ..Or maybe he sud be the one to reply me since U dont even know how to prove Ur tithe beliefs...but seriously,How can a pastor who preaches tithe cannot defend his tithe beliefs from the bible...Astonishing

petra1:

Same response as above . That's what we see you guys do na. Ibe not complained of being overwhelmed yet .

No same response...bro U dont know about Ur tithe beliefs....If U had known,U wud have saved me all dese write ups by offering me an explanation of ur tithe beliefs using scriptures...but alas just like Ur oda moniker,U cant even do so....too bad

Gombs:


Thanks for your time

You're welcome!

openmine:

No bro....If U r the type that wud want to learn,U wud have gone back to my previous post 2 extract those questions but U r feeling like U dont even need to...Thats pride bro

Really? Do I even know the question you're referring to. Well If you can do the job it's not important to either you or me

Okay just one question...only just one....prove Ur tithe beliefs aka tithe is a "eternal principle"....Hope U have seen it?

That's what I've been doing all along for many pages . And revealing your contradiction . You demonized tithes and uphold other principles . That's why I asked you a simple question. To out your contradictions to rest What' scripture did they study in the days of Paul . And the honest answer you don't have the boldness to answer is that it was the same OT scriptures which you have demonized . That's not very nice

Bro petra1...stop being mischievous or sounding like u wanna cry....before U asked me those simple questions about paul's day bla bla bla...i had asked U series of questions including ur beliefs about tithe being an eternal principle...guess what?
I didnt get a single reply...but rather U kept asking me questions and i replied....And guess what i dont see it as making U feel good...It simply makes U look fraudulent and evasive
U know absolutely nothing about Ur beliefs....

Emi fraudu? Let's clap for you Mr He /she

Ohh yes...Gombs is ur savior any time U r lost or Speechless...You call him to backup with "funny memes" and a "like" ..Or maybe he sud be the one to reply me since U dont even know how to prove Ur tithe beliefs...but seriously,How can a pastor who preaches tithe cannot defend his tithe beliefs from the bible...Astonishing

I preach the full gospel bros . I talk about tithe because I'm a tither .

No same response...bro U dont know about Ur tithe beliefs....If U had known,U wud have saved me all dese write ups by offering me an explanation of ur tithe beliefs using scriptures...but alas just like Ur oda moniker,U cant even do so....too bad

OlaoChi:
Thats the problem I am talking about, you calling a jewish ancestor your father
as an African, that is shameful. what jew has ever called any of your ancestors his father?

Your religion strips of off your Identity and turns you into a mental slave to foreign nations (in this case The Jewish and Romans)

You be atheist ? Wetin you deny do for here na? Leave religion thins for religion people.

1 Corinthians 2:14 (NLT)
14 But people who aren’t spiritual can’t receive these truths from God’s Spirit. It all sounds foolish to them and they can’t understand it, for only those who are spiritual can understand what the Spirit means.



We are one in christ either Jew or gentile

petra1:


Really? Do I even know the question you're referring to. Well If you can do the job it's not important to either you or me

like I said U don't want 2 learn,cos if u wanted 2,d question is waiting for U...seek and U shall find...

petra1:

That's what I've been doing all along for many pages . And revealing your contradiction . You demonized tithes and uphold other principles . That's why I asked you a simple question. To out your contradictions to rest What' scripture did they study in the days of Paul . And the honest answer you don't have the boldness to answer is that it was the same OT scriptures which you have demonized . That's not very nice

Hahahahahahahahaha....wat have u been doing..?

Seriously....so ur response or weak defence as reasons why tithe is an eternal principle is because u intend asking me Anoda question?
Just read tru wat U just said....dat d only way 2 respond 2 my question is by asking me Anoda question?
Just tell me U don't have d scriptures and U just concocted those vain theologies just 2 make U feel like U r above d bible....simple!

petra1:

Emi fraudu? Let's clap for you Mr He /she

I hope U r clapping dat U just got exposed dat why U started speaking Anoda language...
..d last time I checked U have either evasive which has become ur trademark or U r trying 2 cover up ur deficiencies which is too obvious....unfortunately, U r seriously do a poor job wit dat....

petra1:

I preach the full gospel bros . I talk about tithe because I'm a tither .

Full gospel and tithe?
Who dash U full gospel?
Am just wondering wat U will be dishing out 2 those helpless congregation.... too bad most have a bible but prefer Ur words 2 d bible....how unfortunate!