Mophasa:
Please guys I need your advice and suggestions please.
There is this girl I have been dating for over a year now, I love her so much and intend to marry her soon. I think she loves me too.

She's currently doing her Nysc in cross river while I am in the north. We haven't seen each other since last November though we always chatting and talking on phone like everyday. We have been so cool over the past few weeks and we arranged for her to come see me this week, Thursday to be precise. I even sent her 10k for transportation.

Now after we talked last night and she agreed to come on Thursday, she called me early this morning around 6am only to tell me there was a problem, when I asked her what it was, she told me despite the fact she loves me so much and wants to be with me, she's breaking up with me because she doesn't want to be having sex anymore, that she's not okay with her spiritual life.

I was devastated and all my efforts to try talk sense into her has been in futility! Now the problem am having is that this girl happens to be the only woman in my life, for over a year we, ve been together I have not cheated on her despite the distance. I love her so much and I have always wanted to end up with her. I always did everything possible to make her happy and I, ve never hurt her before.

Please guys I don't want to lose her, what do I do.


From a heartbroken Nairalander

You just need to know how to ignore women. Being nice to them always don't lead you anywhere.

Obviously, she's dating another dude who probably has performed much better on bed than you. Though she'll try to return to you later on in the course of her relationship with the other guy but before then, it will be too late!

Women are like remote control. You press on the one you like and then play hard to get sometimes.

MarieSucre:


I quoted straight from the bible and you're here using your own "wordly reason" to confuse yourself.

Okay wiseman define for us.
1) What is fornication?
2) What is immoral and illicit sex?
3) How are they different?

I am waiting.

1. Fornication was translated from the word Porneia which is defined as: The Greek term porneia (πορνεία), meaning "illicit sexual intercourse", was translated as "fornication" in the 1611 King James Version of the bible and has also been translated as whoredom, sexual immorality or simply immorality.


Am sure you know the new testament was translated from the Greek version of the scriptures.

2.. Read Leviticus 18 to know illicit sexual intercourse

3. After reading Leviticus 18, you should be able to answer this yourself.

Fornication is not the same as Pre-Marital Sex......

MarieSucre:


I am following the crowd by saying "what is exactly in the bible"??

Shaking my head for you.

Pls bring up scriptural proofs to back that God endorses fornication as you have stated before shiken?
I don't have time to argue aimless argument.

you are just ignorantly going on rampage.

I never said God endorsed fornication but you don't know what fornication is as you seem to be blabbing all about. God forbids fornication but it's not what you are jumping upandan for

MarieSucre:


A comment written fro experience. So how did that phase go for you? Was it for a religious cleansing, spiritual cleansing, psychological or physical cleansing?

Did you get the results you were hoping for?

I wasn't looking for any sort of cleaning or anything per se.

I guess I just wanted to be me, I was cool with the person I was with, I wasn't religious, my body was banging, blah blah. I just didn't want to have sex, so I told my partner, and I didn't.

I don't know why some people chose to waist our time on this platform. Why do you ask questions that already have an answer. She said she doesn't want sex again...... is simply either you accept or you refuse. If you accept she stays.....if you refused she goes. So make your choice.
But of you need sex then go and marry her period. So don't ask us this kind answered question again.

Good luck

Mophasa:
Please guys I need your advice and suggestions please.
There is this girl I have been dating for over a year now, I love her so much and intend to marry her soon. I think she loves me too.

She's currently doing her Nysc in cross river while I am in the north. We haven't seen each other since last November though we always chatting and talking on phone like everyday. We have been so cool over the past few weeks and we arranged for her to come see me this week, Thursday to be precise. I even sent her 10k for transportation.

Now after we talked last night and she agreed to come on Thursday, she called me early this morning around 6am only to tell me there was a problem, when I asked her what it was, she told me despite the fact she loves me so much and wants to be with me, she's breaking up with me because she doesn't want to be having sex anymore, that she's not okay with her spiritual life.

I was devastated and all my efforts to try talk sense into her has been in futility! Now the problem am having is that this girl happens to be the only woman in my life, for over a year we, ve been together I have not cheated on her despite the distance. I love her so much and I have always wanted to end up with her. I always did everything possible to make her happy and I, ve never hurt her before.

Please guys I don't want to lose her, what do I do.


From a heartbroken Nairalander

Sorry dude, your girl has met someone else.... It's the NYSC effect

dyydxx:


1. Fornication was translated from the word Porneia which is defined as: The Greek term porneia (πορνεία), meaning "illicit sexual intercourse", was translated as "fornication" in the 1611 King James Version of the bible and has also been translated as whoredom, sexual immorality or simply immorality.


Am sure you know the new testament was translated from the Greek version of the scriptures.

2.. Read Leviticus 18 to know illicit sexual intercourse

3. After reading Leviticus 18, you should be able to answer this yourself.

Fornication is not the same as Pre-Marital Sex......

What verse by the way?
And this all proves that. IMMORAL ILLCIT SEX or PORNOEIA is permitted by God?

freecocoa:
I wasn't looking for any sort of cleaning or anything per se.

I guess I just wanted to be me, I was cool with the person I was with, I wasn't religious, my body was banging, blah blah. I just didn't want to have sex, so I told my partner, and I didn't.

Your partner agreed to this?

pocohantas:

Why are you laughing?
You're so annoying and cute at the same time. I feel like pushing you inside a gutter.

haaa pocohantas! inside gutter where broken bottles ,iron and dangerous things dey! haa

MarieSucre:


What verse by the way?
And this all proves that. IMMORAL ILLCIT SEX or PORNOEIA is permitted by God?

Read the whole Leveticus 18... Read everything..

Your mentality is so twisted that you can't even see what is staring you in the face. Pre-marital sex is not the same as Immoral/illicit Sex/Fornication which is forbidden by God.

Pre-marital Sex is not the same as illicit sex. That's your problem. The day you understand that the better. Stop quoting bible you don't know.

2sa2:
She has another boyfriend, this is just her way of breaking up with you. Girls never value faithful guys.

exactly ...girls nowadays bring up great epic stories dah touch when they find another temporary sugar.#Mbok

carmag:


eh.eh ... 10k might be small change but let her return it. ...simple


I will follow this thread until Op comes back to his senses and request for his money
.
let him send the 10k to his mother

hehehehe.......badt guy

MarieSucre:


Your partner agreed to this?

Why wouldn't he agree? Did he even have any right not to agree? Ofcourse he agreed, after asking why and making sure that's what I wanted.

freecocoa:
I wasn't looking for any sort of cleaning or anything per se.

I guess I just wanted to be me, I was cool with the person I was with, I wasn't religious, my body was banging, blah blah. I just didn't want to have sex, so I told my partner, and I didn't.

What a wuss @your partner. So he couldn't pin you face down on the bed and...

BoboYekini:
What a wuss @your partner. So he couldn't pin you face down on the bed and...

I don't know what you take a woman to be.

freecocoa:
I don't know what you take a woman to be.

Go jor.

Babacele:
haaa pocohantas! inside gutter where broken bottles ,iron and dangerous things dey! haa

Why are you calling me about? I owe you?

pocohantas:

Why are you calling me about? I owe you?

no mind d guy. he won't try it ever again.

BoboYekini:
Go jor.

Mschew.

dyydxx:


Read the whole Leveticus 18... Read everything..

Your mentality is so twisted that you can't even see what is staring you in the face. Pre-marital sex is not the same as Immoral/illicit Sex/Fornication which is forbidden by God.

Pre-marital Sex is not the same as illicit sex. That's your problem. The day you understand that the better. Stop quoting bible you don't know.

Pls read Deutronomy Chapter 22, verse 13 - 21.

I guess, she wasn't punished for pre-marital sex. Heheheheh
kwantinue!! Wonder what church you attend?

freecocoa:
Why wouldn't he agree? Did he even have any right not to agree? Ofcourse he agreed, after asking why and making sure that's what I wanted.

Hmmnn amd he is a red-blooded Nigerian man??

Well, I am happy for you. That he understands his partner(you) and respects your decision, on what you would like to do with your body. Salute!

MarieSucre:


Hmmnn amd he is a red-blooded Nigerian man??

Well, I am happy for you. That he understands his partner(you) and respects your decision, on what you would like to do with your body. Salute!

Lol, he sure is Nigerian.

My darling sister, one thing I know for a fact, is that, no one can impose such things on me.

MarieSucre:


Pls read Deutronomy Chapter 22, verse 13 - 21.

I guess, she wasn't punished for[b]pre-marital sex[/b]. Heheheheh
kwantinue!! Wonder what church you attend?

This is a cultural law of the jewish people at that particular time, it's not the fundamental biblical 10 commandments or any other fundamental biblical law on sexual immorality. Even to this day, different people have different cultural attitudes towards sex, what is permitted and what is not permitted according to culture, not according to God. Bible says you have made the word of God of none effect by your human traditions(customs) Mark 7:13. If I read out all the torah(Jewish custom) laws for you, you can't keep 1/100 of them as they were those days.
I wonder how they carry test to find out if a girl is a virgin idiots would say broken hymen and wide toto but there are girls with broken hymen who are virgins, there are girls with tight veejay who have had sex, there are girls with wide veejays not from sexual intercpurse but some nature, some dilldo....I can go on and on....

To the point am making. This is a cultural attitude on Virginity and not God's Law on fornication which was and still is my case.

Fornication as is translated anywhere in the bible does not mean or imply pre-marital sex... You are just too incorrigible to see this because of decades of wrong teaching, grooming and training that has given you this erroneous mindset.

dyydxx:


This is a cultural law of the jewish people at that particular time, it's not the fundamental biblical 10 commandments or any other fundamental biblical law on sexual immorality. Even to this day, different people have different cultural attitudes towards sex, what is permitted and what is not permitted according to culture, not according to God. Bible says you have made the word of God of none effect by your human traditions(customs) Mark 7:13. If I read out all the torah(Jewish custom) laws for you, you can't keep 1/100 of them as they were those days.
I wonder how they carry test to find out if a girl is a virgin idiots would say broken hymen and wide toto but there are girls with broken hymen who are virgins, there are girls with tight veejay who have had sex, there are girls with wide veejays not from sexual intercpurse but some nature, some dilldo....I can go on and on....

To the point am making. This is a cultural attitude on Virginity and not God's Law on fornication which was and still is my case.

Fornication as is translated anywhere in the bible does not mean or imply pre-marital sex... You are just too incorrigible to see this because of decades of wrong teaching, grooming and training that has given you this erroneous mindset.

Bros this your excuse don dey tie wrapper.
So let me get this straight, you're holding unto the definition when I have given a clear cut scenario of a girl being stoned to death for PREMARITAL SEX(which you said is allowed by the way).

If we are not to follow any Old Testament law aside the ten commandments, then I guess I can be a lesbian nah. Or what's the point of submitting to your husband since the law is specifically based on the Adam and Eve story.

Or Why even have the old testament at all. Let's just rip it out and concentrate on the New Testamnent only?! Huh!
And your point that since we can't practice all of the Torah, we should then what? We should then what? Endorse it!
Well we might as well steal, kill, rape and lie. After all (rolls eye) we can't practice all of it so instead of condemning it, let us use english, like you're doing to twist it around.

Mr Pick-and-Choose Christianity how market?

The scripture is clear here.
Finally I asked this question before but you never answered me.

I really do need an honest answer because iit is confusing.
One
What is the difference between Illicit and Immoral sex and Fornication?
Two
I have given you a clear instance from the bible that premarital sex is forbidden. You need to give me a clear instance from the bible where it is allowed. Shikena.

MarieSucre:

Bros this your excuse don dey tie wrapper.

Open your eyes and ears and understand. it's not hard. Just drop your pre-conceived notions and come with an open mind.

MarieSucre:

So let me get this straight, you're holding unto the definition when I have given a clear cut scenario of a girl being stoned to death for PREMARITAL SEX(which you said is allowed by the way).

Check through all my former posts. I said fornication isn't pre-marital sex. I have defined it almost uncountable times now, so go back, read slowly and check it. Now to your point, you cited a Jewish custom for stoning a woman adjudged not to be a virgin and I said that's a cultural law, not a biblical law as regards fornication or biblical law on pre-marital sex. In explicit terms let me tell you, God did not command that they stone her..it was the Jewish(Man-made) tradition at that time based on their culture on how they organised their society and not on any law of God mandating that. This is very clear in the reading of the texts.

MarieSucre:

If we are not to follow any Old Testament law aside the ten commandments, then I guess I can be a lesbian nah. Or what's the point of submitting to your husband since the law is specifically based on the Adam and Eve story.

Lesbianism is fornication and is forbidden as was explained in Lev 18. There is difference between Old testament Laws, Cultural laws of the Jewish people(what you would call constitution)and then New testament Laws.

MarieSucre:

Or Why even have the old testament at all. Let's just rip it out and concentrate on the New Testamnent only?! Huh!

Old testament is meant to guide you to the true christ as it was a shadow of the spiritual reality to come

MarieSucre:

And your point that since we can't practice all of the Torah, we should then what? We should then what? Endorse it!

Are you a jew? even the present day Israelites in Modern Israel today don't practice them anymore, except ultra-orthodox Jews which are very few in number.

MarieSucre:

Well we might as well steal, kill, rape and lie. After all (rolls eye) we can't practice all of it so instead of condemning it, let us use english, like you're doing to twist it around.

ll these things you quoted are forbidden by all laws including old testament, New testament and Human Government Laws made to organise societies

MarieSucre:

Mr Pick-and-Choose Christianity how market?

Who are you? what is your identity? Are you a jew or a christian or a secular lady or of any other religious affliation

MarieSucre:

The scripture is clear here.
Finally I asked this question before but you never answered me.

I am sick and tired of repeating myself uncountable times

MarieSucre:

I really do need an honest answer because iit is confusing.
One
What is the difference between Illicit and Immoral sex and Fornication?

there is no difference it's the same.
Two

MarieSucre:

I have given you a clear instance from the bible that premarital sex is forbidden. You need to give me a clear instance from the bible where it is allowed. Shikena.

what you cited was a jewish custom that stones women who are adjudged according to them not to be virgins. That's not God's law. it was old testament tradition to automatically marry any lady you had pre-marital sex with to ''cover her shame'' as it was put. I'm too tired this night to find you the scriptures maybe tomorow

^^^
As an addendum.

look closely at deut 22:13-21... The guy lies about his wife not being a virgin, he gets whipped. The wife is found not to be a virgin, she is killed by stoning. Just from a logical standpoint, does that look to you like Just or Righteous Law. Would Almighty God in his righteousness and wisdom and Justice for all sanction that kind of judgement. Does this not tell you this is man made Also, if the woman is found not to be a virgin, what about the guy that disvirgined her? he goes scot free while she is killed for something that takes two to tango.. How can this be a righteous law or a God mandated law

Look at lev 20:20....Law of Moses talks about stoning both the adulterer and the adulteress ..at least there is fairness here both are sanctioned for the sin of adultery

Look at how Jesus dealt with the woman they said was caught in the very act of adultery. the pharisees said according to the law of Moses she should be stoned. Jesus said if you haven't sin cast the first stone. we all know the story. Jesus said go and sin no more but saved her from being killed by stoning. Bible doesn't say anything about the man she was committing the adultery with. she sha cannot be sleeping with herself.

what does all these tell you?

dyydxx:


Open your eyes and ears and understand. it's not hard. Just drop your pre-conceived notions and come with an open mind.



Check through all my former posts. I said fornication isn't pre-marital sex. I have defined it almost uncountable times now, so go back, read slowly and check it. Now to your point, you cited a Jewish custom for stoning a woman adjudged not to be a virgin and I said that's a cultural law, not a biblical law as regards fornication or biblical law on pre-marital sex. In explicit terms let me tell you, God did not command that they stone her..it was the Jewish(Man-made) tradition at that time based on their culture on how they organised their society and not on any law of God mandating that. This is very clear in the reading of the texts.


Lesbianism is fornication and is forbidden as was explained in Lev 18. There is difference between Old testament Laws, Cultural laws of the Jewish people(what you would call constitution)and then New testament Laws.


Old testament is meant to guide you to the true christ as it was a shadow of the spiritual reality to come



Are you a jew? even the present day Israelites in Modern Israel today don't practice them anymore, except ultra-orthodox Jews which are very few in number.


ll these things you quoted are forbidden by all laws including old testament, New testament and Human Government Laws made to organise societies


What are you. what is your identity? Are you a jew or a christian or a secular lady or of any other religious affliation



I am sick and tired of repeating myself uncountable times



there is no difference it's the same.
Two


what you cited was a jewish custom that stones women who are adjudged according to them not to be virgins. That's not God's law. it was old testament tradition to automatically marry any lady you had pre-marital sex with to ''cover her shame'' as it was put. I'm too tired this night to find you the scriptures maybe tomorow

Listen, your excuse that Israel no longer practices so we should not, does not make sense.
God's words do not change just because people no longer follow. If they no longer follow God's word, they sin and will go to hell. No if's or but's or maybe's. Simple. That excuse holds no water.

2)How do we differentiate between God's commandments for us and Jewish cultural?

Secondly the verse you're looking for to justify the man marrying a woman who he had premarital sex with to cover her shame is Deutronomy chapter 22 verse 22 - 29. (The same Deutronomy you dismissed as Jewish cultural law. Tooor

Finally, we are talking about premarital sex aka fornication here not Adultery, pls stop shifting the goal post. Jesus himself said "I have not come to abolish the law to the fulfill". He won that case by appealing to the immorality of the Pharisees.
I will not lean on my understanding to reinterpret the bible. I will let the scriptures speak for themselves.

MarieSucre:

Listen, your excuse that Israel no longer practices so we should not, does not make sense.

I'm not a Jew and am not bound by the Torah. If you don't understand that then we will just be going round in circles. Your maturity will reach there one day just be diligent and walk according to the light of God that you know. God will enlighten you more at the right time.

MarieSucre:

God's words do not change just because people no longer follow. If they no longer follow God's word, they sin and will go to hell. No if's or but's or maybe's. Simple. That excuse holds no water.

what is God's word? and what is this thing about sin and going to hell ..all those things don't scare me I'm heavenly already. In any case it depends on your understanding of what is the word of God

MarieSucre:

2)How do we differentiate between God's commandments for us and Jewish cultural?

oh very simple, Love is the fulfilling of the Law and it's the epitome of God's commandments. Jewish cultural is the Law of Moses

MarieSucre:

Secondly the verse you're looking for to justify the man marrying a woman who he had premarital sex with to cover her shame is Deutronomy chapter 22 verse 22 - 29. (The same Deutronomy you dismissed as Jewish cultural law. Tooor

oh really there are other few verses too doesn't mean it's not the law of moses

MarieSucre:
Finally, we are talking about premarital sex aka fornication here not Adultery, pls stop shifting the goal post. Jesus himself said "I have not come to abolish the law to the fulfill". He won that case by appealing to the immorality of the Pharisees.
I will not lean on my understanding to reinterpret the bible. I will let the scriptures speak for themselves

Miss for the umpteenth time Pre-marital sex isn't fornication...My God when will this sink in

I'm not shifting any goal post. I just said all that so you can see the nature and the spirit of the father God. In any case, even the deut case you are carrying on your head ....The disvirgined wife is stoned to death but the man who disvirgined her isn't sanctioned by any law and that doesn't ring a bell to you?

dyydxx:


Miss for the umpteenth time Pre-marital sex isn't fornication...My God when will this sink it

I'm not shifting any goal post. I just said all that so you can see the nature and the spirit of the father God. In any case, even the deut case you are carrying on your head ....The disvirgined wife is stoned to death but the man who disvirgined her isn't sanctioned by any law and that doesn't ring a bell to you?

Fornication is generally consensual sexual
intercourse between two people not married to
each other.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fornication

Premarital sex is sexual activity practiced by
people who are unmarried.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premarital_sex

And the difference is??

The last point, I don't anything. Pls point it out to me already.

Its clear you did not read the verse I posted. It had nothing to do with wives. It was the verse you said YOURSELF in the last 2 comments to be specific that the man would be required to marry the woman who he had premarital sex with. I looked for the specific verse that you used to defend your stance and I am now showing you that by your earlier logic , it is under JEWISH CULTURAL LAW.

MarieSucre:


Fornication is generally consensual sexual
intercourse between two people not married to
each other.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fornication

Premarital sex is sexual activity practiced by
people who are unmarried.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premarital_sex

And the difference is??

The last point, I don't anything. Pls point it out to me already.

Miss,

Fornication not according to wikipedia but according to Porneia which was the greek text the translators of the 1611 King James Version of the bible you now quote means illicit or immoral Sex or Sexual Immorality.

Porneia isn't translated Pre-marital Sex... it is Sexual immorality....

I don tire o ...if you can't understand this....come back to this thread 10 years from now and re-read. At this point I'm just repeating myself and it's getting super tiring.

Guy, it's hard to believe but the best advise u could ever get are from those telling you she don upgrade for another guy, what she said is an excuse for a way out. If u don't believe me, enter bus go cross river unannounced and hang around for 3 days, u would cry back home seeing it about a new guy not faith thing.

One of my early ex jilted me for a guy after I have been a good innocent guy, no sex thing bla bla bla for years which she proposed and I keyed in. Distance came and na so she waka with d guy leaving me for him with d usual I still love u line but...

Anyway, to cut long story short, after some years looking for me, we finally met and she confessed d guy exed her when he travelled out despite promising her abroad things, to break up sha, he said he wants to turn to a father abroad, in US for that matter.

Once again, na excuse to be free from u and be free to fly with anther man.