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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by iblawi(m): 8:35pm On Apr 11, 2017
NEMA grin

Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by iblawi(m): 8:39pm On Apr 11, 2017
Nigerian police (Lagos)

Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 8:39pm On Apr 11, 2017
Good to see. When you say NEMA to kenyans what comes to mind is the National Environment Management Authority
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by iblawi(m): 8:41pm On Apr 11, 2017
Police

Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by iblawi(m): 8:43pm On Apr 11, 2017
Nigerian police

Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by iblawi(m): 8:47pm On Apr 11, 2017
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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 8:54pm On Apr 11, 2017
Those satellites should be used to hunt Boko Haram and the girls
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by iblawi(m): 8:57pm On Apr 11, 2017
Will be back in 2 hours

Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 8:57pm On Apr 11, 2017
Obasanjo Space Center grin
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 9:15pm On Apr 11, 2017
Get all the photos
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by iblawi(m): 9:16pm On Apr 11, 2017
TayserMahiri:
Get all the photos
Am not getting photos am actually doing something.
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by iblawi(m): 10:00pm On Apr 11, 2017
First pics is Lagos

The others are Abuja

Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by iblawi(m): 10:09pm On Apr 11, 2017
Portharcourt

Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by iblawi(m): 10:14pm On Apr 11, 2017
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nowenuse: 10:46pm On Apr 11, 2017
arinzeejikonye:
Owerri smiley

Owerri is really such a beautiful Nigerian city which is really underrated in Nigeria. This will be the first South-east city i would love to spend some time.
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nowenuse: 10:52pm On Apr 11, 2017
Muafrika2:

Most of what you label "CITIES" in Nigeria would be referred to as TOWNS in Kenya. There are strict standards here for labelling urbanized centers. Infrastructure, size and administration.

If we called every urban center with afew high rise building a city like am seeing is the norm in Naija, ... let's say we just wont.

An area like Owerri with all the structures you are seeing there and about 500k-1million people and it cannot be called a city? Tell us exactly what is a city. Owerri is not like those small towns you have in Kenya with only 100k people and few modern houses. It has been a governent administrative capital city for decades now, continously been developed by the state to meet up to standard.
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nowenuse: 11:24pm On Apr 11, 2017
TayserMahiri:


You know what saddens me about all these breakups is that I am the kind of guy who hopes for a united Africa. I know it sounds crazy but would be good to merge all those talents and strengths.
I have a very good idea of the disputes back there, my naija friends told me. Actually they talk about it in an even worse way. But I know Naija will come through all that.

These are the kind of things we should be talking about here instead of embarrassing ourselves here comparing our 3rd world and low income cities for the world to see.

I support Black Africa (Subsaharan Africa) to come together as one nation of people united by a single lingua franca (african based language) just like China united the over 1 billion people who speak different languages under one country China with Mandarin as a unifying language.

I feel sad when i see countries like mine and yours (Kenya) making progress while our brothers like SouthSudanese, Congolese, Nigeriens, Malawians e.t.c are facing the worst political instabilities, wars, dictators, famine, starvation and are not making progress in any way. Whether we like it or not, their sorry states continually rub off on us as we are of the same race, the average European, Chinese or Arab cannot tell us apart.
In a unified Black Africa, we will try to progress at the same pace, carrying each other along.

I wish a language like Swahili (which is undoubtedly the most promoted African language lingua franca) to unite all Black Africans to make us speak with one voice.
Just as China brought out the Chinese race from sinking in continous disgrace by uniting to foster develoment, i strongly believe we can also bring out the Black race from being an object of worldwide ridicule.

Thank God for rising African nations and economic giants like Nigeria, South Africa, Kenya (i cannot include north-africans because most of them see us just as Europeans or Arabs see us).
We need to work harder to develop our own nations well respectively in unity, before we can mobilise ourselves cos 2 poor or blind people can never help each other.

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nowenuse: 11:43pm On Apr 11, 2017
MtuMsuper:

You sir have fallen into a trap most posters on this thread have fallen into viz. posting an endless stream of physical development, that has been falsely construed to be the only form of development. I also thought you would fall into the 'Lagos GDP is bigger than kenya and ghana combined' trap. My take on this thread is that alot of nigerians are surprised and taken aback by the response of kenyans. My personal life experience is that alot of nigerians in other african countries love rubbishing everything about their hosts and constantly compare the place with back home, and with that, you haven't disappointed. Kenyans are also quite guilty of this too. I was once in the cities of Windhoek, Namibia and Harare,Zimbabwe and i can assure you both are far far more livable and peaceful than Nairobi and i had to tell of my fellow kenyans who tried to downgrade those cities because their service delivery left alot to admire especially in Windhoek. You sir, need to travel to Africa and see for yourself the real state of things is NOT uniform . Alot of things work in alot of african countries, its just that good stories about africa don't sell. Go see the good work that Botswana govt has dobe for the social upliftment of its citizens- where else apart from SA and Gaddaffis Libya would govt give monthly stipend to its most vulnerable citizens, not to mention functioning health systems. Most of Equatorial africa is a mess though, and this has got everything to do with them having govts that are just sales offices of western capital and not their citizens representative. However, i can assure you alot of kenya is changing, and the sentiment here is bullish. This is due to a massive construction boom changing the face of the country and people's fortunes. The place you saw in 2009 is not the same now.


What you need to address is REAL development. What is your take on the comparative state between the two countries mentioned in this thread on known development indicators :
Access to primary health care,
child and maternal mortality,
productivity,
access to clean water,
access to sanitation,
access to electricity,
life expectancy,
life expectancy at birth(how many kids survive to age 5),
security,
access to formal education,
prevalence of preventable diseases,

etc etc

That's what we should be discussing here.

Oga, the truth is that we cannot use African countries like Namibia or Botswana to judge or be a model for other African countries because these countries are extremely small, just with only 2 million people! yet with so much natural rescources.

You cannot expect a country like Tanzania with tens of millions of people to make the same progress with a country like Botswana with only 2 million people when you give them the same land area and land rescources. Just like the gulf arab nations that have seen great advancement today because of the large oil deposits they have coupled with their small populations unlike Nigeria with probably the same amount of oil, but times 100 of their populations. This is why China is still considered a developing nation even though it is now competing with the world's most powerful nation (USA) in many aspects.

This is why we need to work harder and put in more efforts just as China is doing to carry all it's people along and meet up at the same time. At the end of the day, the glory, influence and prestige that comes as a larger working nation will be enjoyed.
This is why a developed USA is more influential than a developed Canada or a developed Norway.
A developing and working China is more influential than a developing and working Malaysia.
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 12:58am On Apr 12, 2017
Nowenuse:


These are the kind of things we should be talking about here instead of embarrassing ourselves here comparing our 3rd world and low income cities for the world to see.

I support Black Africa (Subsaharan Africa) to come together as one nation of people united by a single lingua franca (african based language) just like China united the over 1 billion people who speak different languages under one country China with Mandarin as a unifying language.

I feel sad when i see countries like mine and yours (Kenya) making progress while our brothers like SouthSudanese, Congolese, Nigeriens, Malawians e.t.c are facing the worst political instabilities, wars, dictators, famine, starvation and are not making progress in any way. Whether we like it or not, their sorry states continually rub off on us as we are of the same race, the average European, Chinese or Arab cannot tell us apart.
In a unified Black Africa, we will try to progress at the same pace, carrying each other along.

I wish a language like Swahili (which is undoubtedly the most promoted African language lingua franca) to unite all Black Africans to make us speak with one voice.
Just as China brought out the Chinese race from sinking in continous disgrace by uniting to foster develoment, i strongly believe we can also bring out the Black race from being an object of worldwide ridicule.

Thank God for rising African nations and economic giants like Nigeria, South Africa, Kenya (i cannot include north-africans because most of them see us just as Europeans or Arabs see us).
We need to work harder to develop our own nations well respectively in unity, before we can mobilise ourselves cos 2 poor or blind people can never help each other.

You confused me a bit I thought you were a Nigerian. Or is Nigerien for someone from Niger? Nonetheless, I agree with you completely.
However, there is nothing to feel embarrassed about however poor you are, the best thing is to appreciate yourself. The positivity with comparing is that it can change people's approach towards getting things done. Besides, it can foster togetherness when people get to understand each other.

I must say I didn't have any idea that Malawi is in any kind of turmoil. How media is skewed leaving some smaller nations in perpetual darkness. How I wish we could embrace Swahili and end the mind colonization. Either ways, always optimistic
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by MtuMsuper: 7:01am On Apr 12, 2017
Nowenuse:


Oga, the truth is that we cannot use African countries like Namibia or Botswana to judge or be a model for other African countries because these countries are extremely small, just with only 2 million people! yet with so much natural rescources.

You cannot expect a country like Tanzania with tens of millions of people to make the same progress with a country like Botswana with only 2 million people when you give them the same land area and land rescources. Just like the gulf arab nations that have seen great advancement today because of the large oil deposits they have coupled with their small populations unlike Nigeria with probably the same amount of oil, but times 100 of their populations. This is why China is still considered a developing nation even though it is now competing with the world's most powerful nation (USA) in many aspects.

This is why we need to work harder and put in more efforts just as China is doing to carry all it's people along and meet up at the same time. At the end of the day, the glory, influence and prestige that comes as a larger working nation will be enjoyed.
This is why a developed USA is more influential than a developed Canada or a developed Norway.
A developing and working China is more influential than a developing and working Malaysia.
A very unhelpful and dare i say even nonsense argument You seem to suggest that a country is more likely to succeed if they have a small population and conversely say that they should also be excused for a lack of success if they have a large one. By your reasoning there should be a median or average population which should be the success point ,to put it for lack of a better term. And what would be this mysterious population size?
Ps: Having visited both Namibia and Botswana, i feel the ingredients for their success is actual and deliberate efforts and programmes by govt to uplift the micro and macro aspects of the personal and national economy. And a respect of systems and institutions by both the govt and citizens. For instance, how would you explain the huuuuge difference in attitude to littering by the average Namibian or Motswana to the average Nairobian? One can even chip in with differences in temperament as well, but that's not the point. The level of social sophistication in place counts for alot in terms of tbe choices people make in a place and their overall wellbeing.
The rich gulf arab countries have demonstrated WISDOM in how they use their hydrocarbon wealth. They have put in long term measures to ensure they remain prosperous nations even after the oil runs out, as it must​.They are very busy developing their transport systems and the UAE is now an undisputed global aviation and financial hub. These things bring $, jobs and skills into the economy, bro. What wisdom have the oil rich african nations demonstrated in the past and even now with regard to how they use their oil wealth​? While Norway might not be an appropriate example, at least they have demonstrated wisdom in how they use their oil wealth. This is the wikipedia entry for their national sovereign wealth fund : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_Pension_Fund_of_Norway . The point is oil wealth should have been used to build water supply and sewer systems, affordable housing, roads, develop agriculture, stimulate non oil/gas economic sectors and stimulate overall economic growth, just to mention a few. Sadly, it hasn't and Nigeria and Angola are Africa's best examples of poorly used oil wealth. While they should be leading us in all indicators, they are proudly holding the rear end, and producing the likes of Diezani and Isabel dos Santos. Shame! You cant buy wisdom at your local shop, now can you?

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by iblawi(m): 7:02am On Apr 12, 2017
Nowenuse:


Owerri is really such a beautiful Nigerian city which is really underrated in Nigeria. This will be the first South-east city i would love to spend some time.

You will love Enugu more
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by iblawi(m): 7:43am On Apr 12, 2017
http://www.premiumtimesng.com/regional/north-central/226024-abuja-light-rail-project-90-completed-minister.html


Lagos state light rail

Rivers State light rail

Cross river state light rail

Abuja light rail

Ogun state light rail.

This is lovely from the state governments. Am sure more States government will start there own light rail soon as Nigeria moves out of recession.
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by iblawi(m): 7:49am On Apr 12, 2017
Lagos - Ibadan standard gauge rail

Kaduna - Abuja standard gauge rail

Calabar - portharcourt standard gauge rail

Kano - Kaduna standard gauge rail

Itape - Ajaokuta - Warri standard gauge rail.
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by iblawi(m): 7:52am On Apr 12, 2017
Old 3500km narrow gauge rail have been taken over by General Electric and are ready to inject over $5 billion over 30 years but bulk of the money will be spent in the first 5 years of operation.

Lagos - Kano narrow gauge rail

Portharcourt - Maiduguri narrow gauge rail.

They will cut across many states of the federation with both covering a distance of 3500km

http://www.businessdayonline.com/ges-5bn-investment-set-revolutionise-rail-operations-nigeria/
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 7:54am On Apr 12, 2017
Nowenuse:


Owerri is really such a beautiful Nigerian city which is really underrated in Nigeria. This will be the first South-east city i would love to spend some time.

Its difficult taking pics of everywhere from a spot,the city is really beautiful,it is expanding by every second,and will match enugu soon,so coal city got to watch her back honestly,i went for nigerian centenary quiz competition,that was my first visit to enugu,the city was very beautiful,but comparing the both can be very difficult,both are serene,orderly,with nice aesthetics and enviromental ambiance wink

Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by iblawi(m): 8:16am On Apr 12, 2017
Lagos light rail project

Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by iblawi(m): 8:18am On Apr 12, 2017
Lagos

Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by iblawi(m): 8:22am On Apr 12, 2017
Ogun state light rail signed around December.

Last pics shows light rail, narrow gauge rail and standard gauge railway in 3 state in the south west. Lagos Ogun and Oyo state.

Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 8:23am On Apr 12, 2017
kikuyu1:


Glad I'm not the only one who noticed! This nigga insists on dropping unnecessary multi syllabic verbiage;a sure sign of intent to impress or baffle with BS. THIS IS TYPICAL!



Just say some Naijjans want to split while the Elites keep playing the same issues of sectional ethnic marginalisation for their own benefit. See how simple it was-you don't have to puke a fvcking thesaurus on this thread,goddammit!
Another thing-by the blood of Amadioha,learn what a full stop is! Its even more painful swallowing that clumsy vocabulary in paragraph size bites.





Kikuyu dearest,why is your innerself engulfed in hatred? you look embittered,why laching on frivolities and trivialities? take a chillpill dude,no human is infallible,typing fast could lead to typos,at least you could decipher the content,no matter the style of format employed to convey the message,the thread is huge to accommodate every tom,dick and harry.

Pls,stop picking on everyone here,tryna hush up people's opinion and the medium via which they choose to express themselves.

No hard feelings,one love.
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 8:26am On Apr 12, 2017
In spirit of lagos at50 celebrations,here are aerial shots around games village surulere smiley

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 9:30am On Apr 12, 2017
Nigeria tryna circumnavigate her way out of economic recession,with paucity of funds,infrastructural developments are unhindered smiley

Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 2:01pm On Apr 12, 2017
arinzeejikonye:


Its difficult taking pics of everywhere from a spot,the city is really beautiful,it is expanding by every second,and will match enugu soon,so coal city got to watch her back honestly,i went for nigerian centenary quiz competition,that was my first visit to enugu,the city was very beautiful,but comparing the both can be very difficult,both are serene,orderly,with nice aesthetics and enviromental ambiance wink
In my opinion the best Nigerian City should be Port Harcourt. It's more organized from the photos here. Way better than Lagos and Abuja which are known to be the major cities.

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