With the new counties, it has become very rewarding to invest in places outside nairobi. A gas station would do very well in a place like nakuru, my hometown, with very good infrastructure. I have seen many people recently putting up businesses here and the costs of doing business are very low compared to bigger cities like nairobi and mombasa. If you ever want to do it in kenya without too much straining, think of the counties.


Nakuru

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chai , naija don suffer oooooo . so Kenya self dey talk. see wat our politicians have causes for Nigeria little countries now talk to their big brother anyhow . chai very soon burundi sef will be talking trash abt naija

TayserMahiri:


My brother, I hope you guys change this mentality that big equals failure. Many countries have populations we can consider truly big e.g USA, Indonesia, Japan and Brazil, but they are doing waay better than much of Africa.
The second highlighted part is usually a sign of inferiority complex that much of Africa has not yet managed to overcome. Could it be the reason you guys don't like seeing white people in pictures?

Not that i feel big equals failure, just that whatever a big country achieves has far more influence than whatever a smaller country achieves. Take Namibia, Gabon and Botswana for instance, these countries have a higher income per capital and HDMI than South Africa, but still South Africa is the place that attracts world attention, recognition and hype and many all over the world regard SA as the only reasonable and emerging country in Black Africa.

Nigeria is catching up with SA in per capital income, if we have our infrastructure in place and improve our tourism sector like SA, you will see how we will instantly displace SA and become the pride and financial hub of Africa where everyone all over the world wants to invest.
USA and Canada have equal levels of per capital income and HDMI, infact Canada is higher than USA but still USA has the greater world respect, influence and attention.

We are not angry seeing white people in pictures, just that we hate seeing white people dominating any part of mother Africa. It irritates me seeing the richest people in Kenya and SA to be Indians and whites (i mean, we dont dominate them in their own continents, why should they here?). When you are in Capetown for instance you don't feel like you are in Sub saharan Africa, seeing so much white people more than black people.
White people are more civilized cos they have started developing before us, so it looks very unfair seeing Black South Africans feeling fly over us when their country was founded and built on the intelligence of the white man.

TayserMahiri:


East Africa would be miles ahead were it not for one country called Tanzania. Trust me if it was left for Kenya, Rwanda and Uganda, East Africa would be electing a single president by now.

Hmm, so what abt TZ? I have never been to TZ, but from the media i feel they are nice, calm and really cool peeps. I really love their contemporary swahili music flavour. They seem to stand out in the East African music industry (that aside).
Is it that they do not like Kenyans or they are not interested in a regional coalition?

Nowenuse:


Hmm, so what abt TZ? I have never been to TZ, but from the media i feel they are nice, calm and really cool peeps. I really love their contemporary swahili music flavour. They seem to stand out in the East African music industry (that aside).
Is it that they do not like Kenyans or they are not interested in a regional coalition?

Tanzanian Swahili is very sweet, you can only find such Swahili in Mombasa in kenya. And yeah, they stand out in their music, its known as Bongo Flava, bongo is swahili for brain, due to the deep insight in their music. Kenya's music is hardly about message but all the way partying.
I'm not sure they don't like Kenyans, they like kenyans, but just that they find kenyans abit too brash/ overbearing in their economic endeavors. Kenyans on the other hand find them slow and unprogressive.

On a government level however, the two countries don't see eye to eye, with very little cooperation.

Nowenuse:

It irritates me seeing the richest people in Kenya and SA to be Indians and whites (i mean, we dont dominate them in their own continents, why should they here?). When you are in Capetown for instance you don't feel like you are in Sub saharan Africa, seeing so much white people more than black people.

The richest people in kenya list is not dominated by whites and indians, it is dominated by kikuyu peoples. I don't know about S.A but the fact that they never chased white people obviously means that the wealthy whites will dominate. In Kenya, very few white people remained (they were too scared of kenyatta and Mau Mau fighters) and Indians, who indigenous kenyans never felt the need to chase because they joined kenyas fight for independence. Many indians nonetheless left but many remained too and worse still is that when Idi Amin chased Indians from Uganda, they came to kenya. Other Indians came too from S.A sometimes later. Here is a list of kenyas richest people

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Kenyan_entrepreneurs

TayserMahiri:


If this is the case, then your institutions are weak. The constitution should have laid down oversight means so that governors and their cronies don't make states their private property. Can't the governors be impeached? From what I get, it is that Nigeria got the states a bit too soon and should probably have waited longer to create a level of homogeneity before giving the states individual powers.

Yes they can be impeached, even the President can be impeached. Some few have been impeached in the past. The problem is that for an impeachment to take place, at least 2/3 of the state lawmakers must approve. Many governors are masters in using ethnic, religion and other sentiments in gainning support from a section of their state masses (including lawmakers) even if they are under-performing.
Yes, the first Nigerian states were created during the civil war to fight seccession, so, people were not mentally prepared for states. However, the first 12 states created were working and making progress until the state proliferation became too much (making 36) and this somehow reduced the viability of the states and made them almost completely dependent on the centre for everything.
The only advantages these dozens of states created is even and greater urbanization throughout the country, where to each state a capital city was assigned administration which of course brought about development of the place.

However, the good news is that some states are now picking up and have woken up to the realities of what a state should be like. This is the fuel that will continue to rekindle the competition among the states. The competition has started and in few decades from now, people will be amazed the kind of advancement Nigeria will make. It would be like a dream and countries like SA or Egypt will not even come close to what Nigeria will be like.
Our states are now building and planning to build their own Seaports, International airports, Airport cities, Intra city railways and engaging in Independent exportation of products. Infact, some states are really dazzling the masses. So, i think we are still somehow on the right track.

TayserMahiri:


Tanzanian Swahili is very sweet, you can only find such Swahili in Mombasa in kenya. And yeah, they stand out in their music, its known as Bongo Flava, bongo is swahili for brain, due to the deep insight in their music. Kenya's music is hardly about message but all the way partying.
I'm not sure they don't like Kenyans, they like kenyans, but just that they find kenyans abit too brash/ overbearing in their economic endeavors. Kenyans on the other hand find them slow and unprogressive.

On a government level however, the two countries don't see eye to eye, with very little cooperation.

Ok i see.
Also, i don't know if it's just me, but i think Tanzanians seem to look more beautiful and stylish than Kenyans (pardon me). ??
Well, i think your own leaders have to appeal to them and make them see reasons why a greater E.A would be more beneficial for the region. Unless you guys are just being proud for each other

Nowenuse:


Ok i see.
Also, i don't know if it's just me, but i think Tanzanians seem to look more beautiful and stylish than Kenyans (pardon me). ??
Well, i think your own leaders have to appeal to them and make them see reasons why a greater E.A would be more beneficial for the region. Unless you guys are just being proud for each other

Lol, beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder. Tanzanians are almost exclusively Bantu, and if you did your History and Geography well, you might have learnt that Bantus are generally light skinned, which is probably what you find attractive.
Maybe our leaders might have to appeal to them, but nothing can change. Think of it like the competition between USA and USSR, now Russia. None of the two will ever accept that the other has a better system of governance and economy. It just will never happen.

That they are more beautiful is a myth, almost every thing they use is made in Kenya is a fact.

Nowenuse:


Yes they can be impeached, even the President can be impeached. Some few have been impeached in the past. The problem is that for an impeachment to take place, at least 2/3 of the state lawmakers must approve. Many governors are masters in using ethnic, religion and other sentiments in gainning support from a section of their state masses (including lawmakers) even if they are under-performing.
Yes, the first Nigerian states were created during the civil war to fight seccession, so, people were not mentally prepared for states. However, the first 12 states created were working and making progress until the state proliferation became too much (making 36) and this somehow reduced the viability of the states and made them almost completely dependent on the centre for everything.
The only advantages these dozens of states created is even and greater urbanization throughout the country, where to each state a capital city was assigned administration which of course brought about development of the place.

However, the good news is that some states are now picking up and have woken up to the realities of what a state should be like. This is the fuel that will continue to rekindle the competition among the states. The competition has started and in few decades from now, people will be amazed the kind of advancement Nigeria will make. It would be like a dream and countries like SA or Egypt will not even come close to what Nigeria will be like.
Our states are now building and planning to build their own Seaports, International airports, Airport cities, Intra city railways and engaging in Independent exportation of products. Infact, some states are really dazzling the masses. So, i think we are still somehow on the right track.

Good news. I actually think you only need to fight the terrorists for great tidings to come. Is it that the northern states support Boko Haram or where do the fighters hide? Let me confess I have never made my way around the idea of such a group operating so freely in a big country like nigeria, where they even have territory they control.

On a serious note Tanzanians are very socialist. A union with Kenya will not work regardless we are same people.

TayserMahiri:


The richest people in kenya list is not dominated by whites and indians, it is dominated by kikuyu peoples. I don't know about S.A but the fact that they never chased white people obviously means that the wealthy whites will dominate. In Kenya, very few white people remained (they were too scared of kenyatta and Mau Mau fighters) and Indians, who indigenous kenyans never felt the need to chase because they joined kenyas fight for independence. Many indians nonetheless left but many remained too and worse still is that when Idi Amin chased Indians from Uganda, they came to kenya. Other Indians came too from S.A sometimes later. Here is a list of kenyas richest people

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Kenyan_entrepreneurs

Ok. Just that i once saw another list and the first 3 richest were Indians. The list on wiki is not based on their net income, i guess if it is arranged based on net income, the Indians would probably top the list.
I can also see some politic families in the list, i smell corruption. Check out the top 10 Nigerian billionaires and i doubt you will see a single politician.

TayserMahiri:


Lol, beauty in in the eyes of the beholder. Tanzanians are almost exclusively Bantu, and if you did your History and Geography well, you might have learnt that Bantus are generally light skinned, which is probably what you find attractive.
Maybe our leaders might have to appeal to them, but nothing can change. Think of it like the competition between USA and USSR, now Russia. None of the two will ever accept that the other has a better system of governance and economy. It just will never happen.

Hmm, i never heard that Bantus are predominantly light skinned. I can't really believe that. What abt the other Bantus spread all over Africa?

TayserMahiri:
With the new counties, it has become very rewarding to invest in places outside nairobi. A gas station would do very well in a place like nakuru, my hometown, with very good infrastructure. I have seen many people recently putting up businesses here and the costs of doing business are very low compared to bigger cities like nairobi and mombasa. If you ever want to do it in kenya without too much straining, think of the counties.


Nakuru

The city looks very green. It's just like Nigeria's Calabar & Uyo cities. What is the population?

Nowenuse:


Ok. Just that i once saw another list and the first 3 richest were Indians. The list on wiki is not based on their net income, i guess if it is arranged based on net income, the Indians would probably top the list.
I can also see some politic families in the list, i smell corruption. Check out the top 10 Nigerian billionaires and i doubt you will see a single politician.

Ohh, so nigeria politicians are not corrupt? Good to know. You need to follow their trails and you will learn they are probably wealthier. All the lists you saw are based on people's personal judgement. Black kenyans in particular hate to reveal their net worth, for whatever reason. What I can tell you is that in Kenya, the talk on domination revolves around the kikuyus whom people find to be too dominating. In all secotrs. One sector where Indians have done really well is the Manufacturing sector and retail sector. Yet even in the retail sector, you will find that top supermarket chains in kenya are dominated by the kikuyus. You should understand that i am touching on a very thorny issue in kenya during electioneering period, i don't want to go too deep.
Whichever way you look at it, Indians are good in business but do not dominate Kenya, kikuyus do that, which is one of the reasons why the Counties were created to reduce that dominance.

gallivant:
On a serious note Tanzanians are very socialist. A union with Kenya will not work regardless we are same people.

Exactly my sentiment. I have never understood why the other members cannot just move on and leave Tanzania sorting out their fears.

Nowenuse:


Hmm, i never heard that Bantus are predominantly light skinned. I can't really believe that. What abt the other Bantus spread all over Africa?

It is just a general observation used to differentiate nilotes from bantus in eastern africa. In general, nilotes such as Sudanese are darker skinned than almost all bantu groups you know of. Nothing to bother about though, with the admixture that has happened over the century, such classification is somehow outdated.

Nowenuse:


The city looks very green. It's just like Nigeria's Calabar & Uyo cities. What is the population?

The population is around half a million.

TayserMahiri:


Good news. I actually think you only need to fight the terrorists for great tidings to come. Is it that the northern states support Boko Haram or where do the fighters hide? Let me confess I have never made my way around the idea of such a group operating so freely in a big country like nigeria, where they even have territory they control.

I have explained this in a comment before. Tried to find it but couldn't.
Of course, initially, Boko haram never started out as a terrorist group. It started as an islamic movement group which was obviously hijacked and sponsored by foreign elements to become what they are.
North-east Nigeria is geographically very much a large, vast, hilly and difficult terrain which extends into Cameroon and Chad. These terrorists took advantage of this. They also infiltrated cities and villages and recruited members. They also operate with some great form of diabolical powers indoctrinating and recruiting masses.

Nigerian army is controlled from Abuja and most of the soldiers posted to the North-east were not even familiar with the terrain and had to take a longer time to understand it.

Nowenuse:


I have explained this in a comment before. Tried to find it but couldn't.
Of course, initially, Boko haram never started out as a terrorist group. It started as an islamic movement group which was obviously hijacked and sponsored by foreign elements to become what they are.
North-east Nigeria is geographically very much a large, vast, hilly and difficult terrain which extends into Cameroon and Chad. These terrorists took advantage of this. They also infiltrated cities and villages and recruited members. They also operate with some great form of diabolical powers indoctrinating and recruiting masses.

Nigerian army is controlled from Abuja and most of the soldiers posted to the North-east were not even familiar with the terrain and had to take a longer time to understand it.

I think I get the picture now. Though for the last statement, it is such a bad thing for any army not to be familiar with terrain in any part of their own country.

Happy Easter folks

TayserMahiri:


Ohh, so nigeria politicians are not corrupt? Good to know. You need to follow their trails and you will learn they are probably wealthier. All the lists you saw are based on people's personal judgement. Black kenyans in particular hate to reveal their net worth, for whatever reason. What I can tell you is that in Kenya, the talk on domination revolves around the kikuyus whom people find to be too dominating. In all secotrs. One sector where Indians have done really well is the Manufacturing sector and retail sector. Yet even in the retail sector, you will find that top supermarket chains in kenya are dominated by the kikuyus. You should understand that i am touching on a very thorny issue in kenya during electioneering period, i don't want to go too deep.
Whichever way you look at it, Indians are good in business but do not dominate Kenya, kikuyus do that, which is one of the reasons why the Counties were created to reduce that dominance.

Truly there is corruption everywhere. Just that in Nigeria, our corrupt politicians somehow hide their wealth and do not reveal them as such. This is why you hardly see Nigerian politicians being ranked among our richest. Let alone their families together.
It is very disgusting seeing political families claiming and accepted to be the richest people in a country. Things like this only happen in Black Africa, the likes of Isabel dos Santos. People who turn a whole nation to their private estate.

TayserMahiri:


Exactly my sentiment. I have never understood why the other members cannot just move on and leave Tanzania sorting out their fears.

That's because they really want the beautiful women of TZ to be part of their country. lol (joking).

Are Burundi and Ethiopia going to be part?

Kenya, Uganda n Rwanda together should be about 90 million people right?

Nowenuse:


Hmm, i never heard that Bantus are predominantly light skinned. I can't really believe that. What abt the other Bantus spread all over Africa?

In East Africa, Bantus usually have a mix of something else.
Example.The Kikuyu Community is Bantu and by genetics, on average around 70% of the genepool is similar to all other bantu groups, yet because the community absorbed the Athi(A south Cushitic group) the Gumba(a Khoisan group)and Maasai(The Maasai clan civil wars in the mid 1800s saw many maasai leave for the Kikuyu lands.Today, Kikuyus of Nyeri and Kiambu often have a Maasai ancestor).A few also have Arab ancestry(due to Arabs trading there ) and European ancestry(mostly around areas that had large scale European settlements and missionary towns).
In Tanzania, almost every ethnic group traded with the Arabs.In fact Tanzania had Arab-Swahili towns in its interior like Kigoma, unlike Kenya where this phenomenon is restricted to the Coast.Thus light skinned members of Bantu communities are not uncommon.Also like the Bantus of Kenya, many have South Cushitic blood

OreMI22:



Sir, i have lived in Kenya.

I although i love Kenyans to death and many things about Nigeria irritate me, Kenya is still one million years from Nigeria.
You need to visit Nigeria to understand what i'm saying and fly around or drive around the country to understand what i'm saying. Places like Nakuru or Kitale in Nigeria are bigger than Mombasa, With international airports and everything.

If you imagine Kenya with Mombasa in Isiolo, Kitale and Bungoma you would have come very close to what Nigeria is like. It is still a third world country, but it is far bigger than most others at least in Africa. That is why it is so dominant and in my view needs to break up into smaller manageable units. Perhaps countries the size of Ghana.

In spite of Boko Haram, Nigeria became the largest economy in Africa. That tells you Nigeria is bigger than three states or 5 cities affected by Boko Haram.

Three states.Nope.
I know for a fact that Boko Haram has struck as far as Abuja and Adamawa on several ocassions.And it is not just 5 cities, because those three states have more than 5 cities.

Nowenuse:


Truly there is corruption everywhere. Just that in Nigeria, our corrupt politicians somehow hide their wealth and do not reveal them as such. This is why you hardly see Nigerian politicians being ranked among our richest. Let alone their families together.
It is very disgusting seeing political families claiming and accepted to be the richest people in a country. Things like this only happen in Black Africa, the likes of Isabel dos Santos. People who turn a whole nation to their private estate.

They are wealthy nonetheless. That it is disgusting is meaningless. Its not like they get a Nobel for being listed as rich, they are wealthy whether it is disgusting or not. And its not just in Africa, some world leaders of strong nations such as Silvio Berlusconi of Italy are among the richest in their nations not to mention the Arabic emirs are unimaginably filthy rich and now we have Trump who literally runs his own empire.

Nowenuse:


West Africa is the largest region in Africa, both in Gdp, Land, Population e.t.c and the average west African has never heard of Mpesa or whatever. So how exactly do you dominate the continent with that?

MPESA is well known in East Central Africa because it is in operation here.From Vodafone MPESA in South Africa to Vodaxom MPESA everywhere else.
West Afric is FAAAAR much smaller than East Central and Southern Africa, which btw is largely one entity with common cultural roots as the largest subgroup here is Bantu and Batus are everywhere except the Horn of Africa and Sudan.
Oh and a large percentage of us speak Swahili, From South Sudan to Malawi, Kenya to DRC, it is the language of trade, regardless of what tribe you are.

Nowenuse:


That's because they really want the beautiful women of TZ to be part of their country. lol (joking).

Are Burundi and Ethiopia going to be part?

Kenya, Uganda n Rwanda together should be about 90 million people right?

They will all be there eventually, even S.Sudan and Somalia when they get stability. The other Sudan also wants to be in but is facing opposition from S. Sudan who don't want them there. I think the population you are right.

GERALD710:

In East Africa, Bantus usually have a mix of something else.
Example.The Kikuyu Community is Bantu and by genetics, on average around 70% of the genepool is similar to all other bantu groups, yet because the community absorbed the Athi(A south Cushitic group) the Gumba(a Khoisan group)and Maasai(The Maasai clan civil wars in the mid 1800s saw many maasai leave for the Kikuyu lands.Today, Kikuyus of Nyeri and Kiambu often have a Maasai ancestor).A few also have Arab ancestry(due to Arabs trading there ) and European ancestry(mostly around areas that had large scale European settlements and missionary towns).
In Tanzania, almost every ethnic group traded with the Arabs.In fact Tanzania had Arab-Swahili towns in its interior like Kigoma, unlike Kenya where this phenomenon is restricted to the Coast.Thus light skinned members of Bantu communities are not uncommon.Also like the Bantus of Kenya, many have South Cushitic blood

Thanks, you seem a bit schooled on these matters. I had no idea why some kikuyus look so different, sometimes they can confuse you.

TayserMahiri:


The population is around half a million.

Ok, great.

I however think that Kenya needs more urbanization.
I found out that apart from Nairobi and Mombasa, no other Kenyan urban area has up to a million people, while only Nakuru has about 500k-1m people and the rest are just below 500k.
In Nigeria, there are about 15 cities/Urban areas with over a million people and over 30 cities with 500k-1m people. I won't even count those within 100-500k range cos i dont consider those ones cities but towns and they can be up to 100 in Nigeria.

If we add up all the Kenyan cities/towns above 100k people, they will not be more than 12 million people. This means that only about 25% of Kenyans live in Urban areas while a whooping 75% live in rural areas. Can you enlighten me on this?