Nowenuse:


Does this change the condition of the Kenyan villages i see regularly?

Why do you guys also have a large slum population if you claim that your people love to stay away from the cities in the comfort of their villages?

Of course not all villagers stay in the villages, many in kenyas poorer areas move to the cities in search of better lives. More than Half of kenya is arid or semi arid and people from such areas will move to the cities. Not to mention the sheer number of illegal and legal refugees from all over east africa who come with nothing and end up in the slums.

uzzyfire:
I really don't know y Nigeria gets all d attention in africa ,without even trying. anything Nigerian grabs d attention of Africa
.just look at dis bbnaija that was just concluded. it caught d attention of d whole Africa and its supposed to be a Nigerian thing , they shud have just called it bbafrica cos I really didn't see d difference between d both . and big brother made a truck load of money from Nigeria

This is the advantage of having a large country. We have the greatest continental influence.
This is why we must really work hard to make Nigeria work as a united nation. Those fighting for Nigeria's break-up don't know what we will loose if we divide.

Nowenuse:


But you guys in East Africa are very much alike in culture and language. Your movie producers should be able to cover the entire East African market (which can equal Nigerian market), or won't Tanzanians and Ugandans watch Kenyan movies? If no, then why do they watch ours?

Do you know that about 1/3 of Nigeria do not even watch nollywood movies? Many northern Nigerians watch only Hausa movies (Kannywood).

Did you get my point or you just responded. You guys have nollywood for nigeria but each country in east africa has their own. unless, they merge, they would not be as big as nigerias nollywood for the huge population.

TayserMahiri:


Did you get my point or you just responded. You guys have nollywood for nigeria but each country in east africa has their own. unless, they merge, they would not be as big as nigerias nollywood for the huge population.

There was a time Ghanian movies were dominating Nigerian market because their productions started beating ours in quality. This is why till date our movies feature lots of their actors (although this is drastically reducing cos we have regained our stance). However both countries (NG and Ghana) do joint productions for both markets and Ghana obviously benefits more as a smaller country.

I think if Kenyan movies are better they will obviously dominate EA market, just as Nigerian movies are dominating the continent and not just Nigerian market.
Your actors and producers can also feature each other (or don't you guys do this?). Nigeria and GH have been doing this for over a decade.
That is the point am trying to make.

Nowenuse:


But you guys in East Africa are very much alike in culture and language. Your movie producers should be able to cover the entire East African market (which can equal Nigerian market), or won't Tanzanians and Ugandans watch Kenyan movies? If no, then why do they watch ours?

Do you know that about 1/3 of Nigeria do not even watch nollywood movies? Many northern Nigerians watch only Hausa movies (Kannywood).

kannywood looooooopllllll

TayserMahiri:


Of course not all villagers stay in the villages, many in kenyas poorer areas move to the cities in search of better lives. More than Half of kenya is arid or semi arid and people from such areas will move to the cities. Not to mention the sheer number of illegal and legal refugees from all over east africa who come with nothing and end up in the slums.

I think Kenya can copy from Nigeria.
I thank God for Babangida who relocated Nigeria's capital from Lagos to Abuja and made Lagos a state govt of it's own.
This somehow shifted the migration from Lagos a bit. Abuja of less than 25 years now has about 5 million people in it's metropolitan area. Imagine what it would be in a decade time. Lagos is no longer receiving all the attention. Before Abuja's creation, Lagos was growing uncontrollably (creating many slums). Even without capitalship it is still exploding, let alone if the capital was still there. Thank God Lagos state govt is meeting up.

Lagos state is the 4th largest economy in Africa after Nigeria, SA and Egypt and it's per capital income is far higher than SA and Egypt. It is going well ahead to meet the likes of China, Russia and Brazil. I hope the whole Nigeria goes along with it.

(Sorry i'm digressing). I was just trying to see how the large slum population of Nairobi can be reduced. It's too much and embarassing. How can 3 million people be living in slums in an urban area (Nairobi) of 6 million? That's half the population?

Nowenuse:


There was a time Ghanian movies were dominating Nigerian market because their productions started beating ours in quality. This is why till date our movies feature lots of their actors (although this is drastically reducing cos we have regained our stance). However both countries (NG and Ghana) do joint productions for both markets and Ghana obviously benefits more as a smaller country.

I think if Kenyan movies are better they will obviously dominate EA market, just as Nigerian movies are dominating the continent and not just Nigerian market.
Your actors and producers can also feature each other (or don't you guys do this?). Nigeria and GH have been doing this for over a decade.
That is the point am trying to make.

but all d credit and money still goes to nollywood. ghana does not have an industry, they are all incorporated in nollywood

Nowenuse:


I think Kenya can copy from Nigeria.
I thank God for Babangida who relocated Nigeria's capital from Lagos to Abuja and made Lagos a state govt of it's own.
This somehow shifted the migration from Lagos a bit. Abuja of less than 25 years now has about 5 million people in it's metropolitan area. Imagine what it would be in a decade time. Lagos is no longer receiving all the attention. Before Abuja's creation, Lagos was growing uncontrollably (creating many slums). Even without capitalship it is still exploding, let alone if the capital was still there. Thank God Lagos state govt is meeting up.

Lagos state is the 4th largest economy in Africa after Nigeria, SA and Egypt and it's per capital income is far higher than SA and Egypt. It is going well ahead to meet the likes of China, Russia and Brazil. I hope the whole Nigeria goes along with it.

(Sorry i'm digressing). I was just trying to see how the large slum population of Nairobi can be reduced. It's too much and embarassing. How can 3 million people be living in slums in an urban area (Nairobi) of 6 million? That's half the population?

yeah, Lagos is d new York of Africa

uzzyfire:
yeah, Lagos is d new York of Africa

Please don't compare Lagos with NY. Lagos is a true mess. The best example of disorder in Africa if not the world.

Nowenuse:


I think Kenya can copy from Nigeria.
I thank God for Babangida who relocated Nigeria's capital from Lagos to Abuja and made Lagos a state govt of it's own.
This somehow shifted the migration from Lagos a bit. Abuja of less than 25 years now has about 5 million people in it's metropolitan area. Imagine what it would be in a decade time. Lagos is no longer receiving all the attention. Before Abuja's creation, Lagos was growing uncontrollably (creating many slums). Even without capitalship it is still exploding, let alone if the capital was still there. Thank God Lagos state govt is meeting up.

Lagos state is the 4th largest economy in Africa after Nigeria, SA and Egypt and it's per capital income is far higher than SA and Egypt. It is going well ahead to meet the likes of China, Russia and Brazil. I hope the whole Nigeria goes along with it.

(Sorry i'm digressing). I was just trying to see how the large slum population of Nairobi can be reduced. It's too much and embarassing. How can 3 million people be living in slums in an urban area (Nairobi) of 6 million? That's half the population?

I think yours is even more embarrassing where 2/3 (two thirds) of the Lagos population lives in slums. Taking the city alone, that is some 10 million people crammed in the steamy lagoons of Lagos. . That is of course in an oil rich NIgeria. And that was back in 2006, and of course now its even worse with the problems you guys have been under for the past decade, probably around 15,000,000 slum dwellers now because the city population grows at 8 % per annum. It was anticipated that by 2015 Lagos would be the third largest city in the world but it has less infrastructure than any of the world’s other largest cities. So, man, stop comparing your filthy city with Brazil, China etc. Its a filthy place.
You may have to visit other cities outside nigeria to see why everyone wonders how the people of Lagos survive.
In fact, its known as the Megacity of Slums. Sometimes I think the nigerian government deliberately hides data from nigerians to fool them of their sad reality.

http://www.irinnews.org/news/2006/09/05/lagos-mega-city-slums

TayserMahiri:


Please don't compare Lagos with NY. Lagos is a true mess. The best example of disorder in Africa if not the world.

loooll, guy chill na Im comparing Lagos to new York in d sense that they are both known to be business and economic giants . new is one of d largest business district in d world with a GDP of 1 trillion dollars ,while Lagos is one of d largest business districts in Africa with a GDP of over 100 billion dollars .

and I Neva compared NY to Lagos. although Lagos is heading to new Yorks level

Nowenuse:


Abuja of less than 25 years now has about 5 million people in it's metropolitan area. Imagine what it would be in a decade time.

Give Abuja ten more years and it will be as bad as Lagos. You guys cannot teach anyone in Africa about matters to do with population and service provision. The kenyan slum upgrade program coupled with the Counties is an excellent solution to the problem. Moving capital is usually in case of an overpopulated/ unplanned capital like Lagos or when it is not central like Dar Es Salaam.

TayserMahiri:


I think yours is even more embarrassing where 2/3 (two thirds) of the Lagos population lives in slums. Taking the city alone, that is some 10 million people crammed in the steamy lagoons of Lagos. . That is of course in an oil rich NIgeria. And that was back in 2006, and of course now its even worse with the problems you guys have been under for the past decade, probably around 15,000,000 slum dwellers now because the city population grows at 8 % per annum. It was anticipated that by 2015 Lagos will be the third largest city in the world but it has less infrastructure than any of the world’s other largest cities. So, man, stop comparing your filthy city with Brazil, China etc. Its a filthy place.
You may have to visit other cities outside nigeria to see why everyone wonders how the people of Lagos survive.
In fact, its known as the Megacity of Slums. Sometimes I think the nigerian government deliberately hides data from nigerians to fool them of their sad reality.

http://www.irinnews.org/news/2006/09/05/lagos-mega-city-slums

dude stop hating, its bad for ur health. do u know how dirty new York is it is infested with rats and bugs. people survive just fine bro(I'm surviving just fine) the thing is, if u are coming to Lagos, u have to know how to hustle and bustle if not u will not survive (that's y its GDP is so high) cos people are constantly working 24/7 nobody seeps in Lagos.

Lagos is not d best place to do vacation in Nigeria , u go to places like abuja, calabar, owerri if u want to enjoy ursef.(although Lagos has one of d best nightlife in Africa ) parties are always going on in Lagos

TayserMahiri:


I think yours is even more embarrassing where 2/3 (two thirds) of the Lagos population lives in slums. Taking the city alone, that is some 10 million people crammed in the steamy lagoons of Lagos. . That is of course in an oil rich NIgeria. And that was back in 2006, and of course now its even worse with the problems you guys have been under for the past decade, probably around 15,000,000 slum dwellers now because the city population grows at 8 % per annum. It was anticipated that by 2015 Lagos would be the third largest city in the world but it has less infrastructure than any of the world’s other largest cities. So, man, stop comparing your filthy city with Brazil, China etc. Its a filthy place.
You may have to visit other cities outside nigeria to see why everyone wonders how the people of Lagos survive.
In fact, its known as the Megacity of Slums. Sometimes I think the nigerian government deliberately hides data from nigerians to fool them of their sad reality.

http://www.irinnews.org/news/2006/09/05/lagos-mega-city-slums

there's nothing wrong in me comparing Nigeria to Brazil and China. wat do these 3 countries have in common ?? yah , its population , there isn't much difference btwn Brazil and Nigeria , they both have megacities and slums too

uzzyfire:
there's nothing wrong in me comparing Nigeria to Brazil and China. wat do these 3 countries have in common ?? yah , its population , there isn't much difference btwn Brazil and Nigeria , they both have megacities and slums too

The point is, Lagos has not even as close infrastructure as what the cities of those countries have. Look at Brasilia, Sao Paolo, Rio, Beijing, Shanghai and their other cities and notice that Lagos looks like a (sorry to say) poo hole.

We were all learning until Nigerians got ignorant. You can't faze Kenya with slums when entire Lagos or Owerri is a slum! Get over yourselves, ask anybody in the world about Naija slum cities.You proudly deceive yourselves.

TayserMahiri:


Ohh, so nigeria politicians are not corrupt? Good to know. You need to follow their trails and you will learn they are probably wealthier. All the lists you saw are based on people's personal judgement. Black kenyans in particular hate to reveal their net worth, for whatever reason. What I can tell you is that in Kenya, the talk on domination revolves around the kikuyus whom people find to be too dominating. In all secotrs. One sector where Indians have done really well is the Manufacturing sector and retail sector. Yet even in the retail sector, you will find that top supermarket chains in kenya are dominated by the kikuyus. You should understand that i am touching on a very thorny issue in kenya during electioneering period, i don't want to go too deep.
Whichever way you look at it, Indians are good in business but do not dominate Kenya, kikuyus do that, which is one of the reasons why the Counties were created to reduce that dominance.

I've got reliable information that some of the biggest businesses with Indian faces are actually Kenyan Africans hiding behind them. I've seen it myself. People register shadow companies with random names, many times Indian names.

Nowenuse:


Ok, great.

I however think that Kenya needs more urbanization.
I found out that apart from Nairobi and Mombasa, no other Kenyan urban area has up to a million people, while only Nakuru has about 500k-1m people and the rest are just below 500k.
In Nigeria, there are about 15 cities/Urban areas with over a million people and over 30 cities with 500k-1m people. I won't even count those within 100-500k range cos i dont consider those ones cities but towns and they can be up to 100 in Nigeria.

If we add up all the Kenyan cities/towns above 100k people, they will not be more than 12 million people. This means that only about 25% of Kenyans live in Urban areas while a whooping 75% live in rural areas. Can you enlighten me on this?

You also need to examine the causes of urbanisation and the movement of people from rural to urban areas. Mostly it is in search of employment, directly linked to reduced opportunities in the rural areas.

In Kenya, some rural communities are very empowered, such that they hardly ever leave their homes for cities. I live with the Kalenjin for example. They inhabit the Rift Valley (which has towns like Eldoret). They are also the fourth largest tribal group in Kenya, but you will hardly ever meet them in low income estates in Nairobi.

Kalenjins have very good schools back in the Rift Valley. They are economically empowered with knowledge in dairy production and supply milk companies based all over the Rift Valley. Am in a small town, but there is a milk processing plant just around the corner serving this area. Kalenjins also grow tea and like milk, there are tea factories dotted all over the place. There are many teaching colleges in Kalenjin land, making it the most common profession among the people here.

When Kalenjin runners win millions in athletic championships, they bring back the money to their home and invest in their houses, farms, rental houses, etc. My landlord is one of them. The best people to have as landlords by the way.

I believe Kalenjin empowerment was so effective that our Kikuyus do not enjoy the same kind of privilege.

My own Luhya people are the opposite. No Agricultural empowerment, not enough land (after colonialists left, our politicians took the land they had stolen from our people for themselves), limited knowledge in agricultural production, no market for our goods, no colleges and no factories - it pays to have a president from your own tribe

That means cities are flooded with my Luhya kinsmen looking for menial jobs. My people flood every town, including the little towns like where I live.

I hope I have demonstrated the powers behind rural to urban migration and population of urban centers at the expense of rural areas.

uzzyfire:
plsss ooo how and why d hell do Kenyans and south Africans know so much abt Nigeria ,and I don't even know jack abt their country (maybe its becos I don't give a rats dick abt them) but I still wonder how they know so much. they even sed somtins abt naija that wasn't aware about sef

South Africans don't know anything about Nigeria,we never bother with outside issues unless you talk about America (the giant of the world)

uzzyfire:
and wen it comes to entertainment, I don't tink naija has any rival in Africa (not even S.A) we outshine everybody in dat aspect

stop making jokes on a serious topic

PLEASE!!!

Jayceon:
stop making jokes on a serious topic

PLEASE!!!

Kwaaaaaaa! Do they know our entertainment industry boasts Grammys & an Oscar award?

uzzyfire:
dude stop hating, its bad for ur health. do u know how dirty new York is it is infested with rats and bugs. people survive just fine bro(I'm surviving just fine) the thing is, if u are coming to Lagos, u have to know how to hustle and bustle if not u will not survive (that's y its GDP is so high) cos people are constantly working 24/7 nobody seeps in Lagos.

Lagos is not d best place to do vacation in Nigeria , u go to places like abuja, calabar, owerri if u want to enjoy ursef.(although Lagos has one of d best nightlife in Africa ) parties are always going on in Lagos

this dude can lie.New York was dirty in the 80s until they cleaned it up to be what it is today

The dirty parts of New York are maybe the five boroughs ( queensbridge,Brooklyn,Staten Island,Manhattan and the Bronx) where mostly live the poor and those places are ghetto like

ZarZar:


Kwaaaaaaa! Do they know our entertainment industry boasts Grammys & an Oscar award?

I watched that Tsotsi I think it was in xhosa or some language but I was totally gripped

Nollywood should study some South African productions like that one.

fanficgirl:

Correction. GREATEST AFRICAN COUNTRY With potential. Just that the potential hasn't been utilized.

I hope, you were playing pranks with your statement I just quoted . However, Is there any difference between what you typed and @naijalander's, if interpreted ? I hope you aren't a tertiary school certified? If you are,then , I am highly disappointed in your intellectual capacity.
To be more specific, with another example, “I AM THE GREATEST MAN ON EARTH AND THE GREATEST MAN ON EARTH IS I" . Which among the two is more accurate in its simpler form? Teach us and let's have more knowledge. Tu es mal.

Muafrika2:

I watched that Tsotsi I think it was in xhosa or some language but I was totally gripped

Nollywood should study some South African productions like that one.

South African films tend to be multilingual, to accommodate everyone.

But yeah, the film was our pride & joy when it won.

Nollywood needs more than study in film making. The acting is horrible as well. Plus most of their so called movies look & sound like they've been shot with a phone

ZarZar:


Kwaaaaaaa! Do they know our entertainment industry boasts Grammys & an Oscar award?

until they can produce quality like LION KING,SARAFINA,MR BONES,JERUSALEM,etc...we are a world class

Even our TV series like Jacob's Cross,High Rollers beat their 200000 million movies they produce annually

Nowenuse:


Bantus are not more than West Africans, it is impossible. The entire horn Africa is not Bantu, almost half of Kenya and Uganda is not Bantu. South Sudan is not. The entire Chad, parts of Cameroon and CAR are not Bantu. What about if we remove the pygmy populations from Congo and Gabon and also remove the whites, coloureds and Asians from South Africa and Namibia? Can the remainder beat the 350-400 million people of West Africa?

The entire numb of swahili speakers is still not more than 200 million. Luganda beats swahili as a lingua franca is half of Uganda. Lingala beats swahili as lingua franca is Kinshasa. Pls i know my continent. Swahili still has a long way to go to dominate the entire east Africa before going further to take over Horn and Central Africa. Only a stabilized and powerful united EAC can achieve this.

As for mpesa, they have not penetrated most of the countries you are talking of.

Last I checked, 67% of Kenyans are Bantu.So are 70% of Ugandans.
Chad is not considered to be part of Central Africa(from our point of view, it is in the West)
Last I checked ,the Azande ,a Bantu community are the third largest ethnic group in South Sudan
Most of Cameroon is Bantu, well over 80%
Somalia, which is in the Horn has Somali Bantus, as well as Swahilis and the Bajuni population which overlaps into Kenya
Pygmys form no more than 2% in any of the nations in Central Africa namely the Congo,Rwanda and the DRC, 98 TO 99%of the population is Bantu .In fact, the Congo (DRC)has only around 500,000 pygmys out of a population of well over 50 million. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congo_Pygmies
Rwandan Pygmys are 1% of the population, known as the Twa.
In South Africa, Last I checked, 80% of the population is Black, almost all Bantu. Can you add up the population of 80% of South Africa, 90% of Namibia, All of Angola,All of Zambia,All of Zimbabwe,All of Mozambique, save for the Whites,all of Swaziland and Lesotho,95% of Tanzania,98% of DRC, 70% of Uganda, 67% of Kenya, 98% of the DRC, 99% of the Congo,All of Rwanda and Burundi, All of Gabon,all of Equatorial Guinea save for a few migrants, and over 80% of Cameroon, all from one subgroup.
And btw, last I checked,West Africans are a patchwork of different ethnic subgroups many of whom have little in common and quite often hate each other(Northern and Southern Nigeria for example.Northern and Southern Chad,Northern and Southern Mali etc)While East Central and Southern Africans do have Bantu common roots.
Bantus are recognised as the largest African subgroup on the continent. Whether I go to the Zulus of South Africa or to the Azande of South Sudan,we use the word mtu to mean a person(and apparently the word goat in Zulu and Swahili is the same too.Mbuzi)
Swahili is spoken by 200 million people in East Africa alone!! That is Kenya, Uganda,Rwanda,Burundi,South Sudan and Tanzania. It is the official language of all three nations and has also been adopted by Rwanda,Burundi and South Sudan.Luganda is NOT an official language of Uganda.It never has been.It is indeed widely spoken in Southern and Eastern Uganda but go to the North and West. It is absent.Swahili on the other hand is present in every corner of Uganda.
The 200 million people you mention, do not include the Eastern DRC who also speak Kiswahili(Joseph Kabila feels quite at home in any part of East Africa.It is also why Congolese refugees face little hostility across the region), Malawi, where there are Swahilis,Mozambique, Comoros and Part of Zambia.

Last I checked MPESA is in every country in East Central and Southern Africa except the Horn(Ethiopia due to Government monopoly, Eritrea and Somalia due to turmoil)
Ever heard of Vodacom??(Not Vodafone,Vodacom)
It offers MPESA in all the above nations except CAR and I believe Angola.Whether you go to Mozambique
http://allafrica.com/stories/201305280313.html
Lesotho
http://www.vodacom.co.ls/ls-personal/m-pesa/m-pesa
or the DRC
http://www.nation.co.ke/business/eMoney/Safaricom-MTN-partnership-Africa/1625712-2694198-yc82wo/index.html
MPESA is there.
MPESA is also found in Egypt and Romania
https://www.mobileworldlive.com/money/news-money/vodafone-to-launch-m-pesa-in-egypt-romania-report/
as well as India
https://www.mpesa.in/portal/
And Afghanistan where they use a different name(M-Paisa, generally the same meaning) but the same platform
https://www.roshan.af/en/business/m-paisa/
So MPESA has not just spread across East Africa(BTW,it is available on MTN Uganda and Rwanda as well) but has gone to even India and even Romania.
MPESA is indeed becoming a global force.

ZarZar:


South African films tend to be multilingual, to accommodate everyone.

But yeah, the film was our pride & joy when it won.

Nollywood needs more than study in film making. The acting is horrible as well. Plus most of their so called movies look & sound like they've been shot with a phone

Errm

I hear that that happens. Many of their (3 - 6 hour long) movies are shot within 3 days

I still love them though. The end result is totally hilarious

ZarZar:


South African films tend to be multilingual, to accommodate everyone.

But yeah, the film was our pride & joy when it won.

Nollywood needs more than study in film making. The acting is horrible as well. Plus most of their so called movies look & sound like they've been shot with a phone

the sound quality is horrible,always sounds like someone is jumping up and down a corrugated iron

Jayceon:
until they can produce quality like LION KING,SARAFINA,MR BONES,JERUSALEM,etc...we are a world class

Even our TV series like Jacob's Cross,High Rollers beat their 200000 million movies they produce annually

Was lion king SA? I know the scenes were a presentation after Kenya's Hell's gate reserve I always thought it was a US production

Jayceon:
the sound quality is horrible,always sounds like someone is jumping up and down a corrugated iron

You're mean

Muafrika2:

Was lion king SA? I know the scenes were a presentation after Kenya's Hell's gate reserve I always thought it was a US production

the producer is a southy