Just30:
Nigeria is not even influential in West Africa how much more Africa as a whole

What the hell . Are you an idiot? Did you really just say that Nigeria isn't influential in West Africa hahahahahahahahahhhhhhhhhhhhhha. I laugh in Swahali. There is a reason that people want Nigeria to not break up, it would cost massive political and economic unrest in West Africa. REad any journals on this, I can't believe u said that.

LeSudAfricaine:
I don't recall saying Nigeria is useless, but don't think for a sec that when Naija sneezes we catch a colds many of you seem to suggest

Who here was suggesting this? I haven't seen any comment like that. Most agree SA is better than Nigeria. What I think urks Nigerians is when small population countries try to take cheap shots. Why is Nigeria never compared with African Countries with big populations like Ethiopia?

obaaderemi:
That coup wasn't like a political campaign where people got to give their support or not.We only got to hear about it after it had taken place and failed.Many nigerian except the core northerners were heartbroken because it failed.Those guys were already inside dodan barracks.The disunity is too much.Even the xtian midbelt align with the north during elections only to be used and discarded like a woman of easy virtue.

Fair enough

Just30:
so, why do you vote for leaders every four years? Leaders are supposed to solve problems

That is the question isn't it?o I don't understand this either. Nigerians knows our leaders are after their own interests, yet we still vote. Stomach infrastructure is powerful.

LeSudAfricaine:
I don't recall saying Nigeria is useless, but don't think for a sec that when Naija sneezes we catch a colds many of you seem to suggest

I don't know where they got that thinking from because most African countries do very little with Nigeria. Nigeria went into recession and no one catched cold.

fanficgirl:

True my brother, and they are in charge of the military. It will be a bloodbath for us.

And this is the problem of the average Southerner. Cowardice and a myopic point of view.

Northernerns are always ready to work on divide and rule principles to divide you southernerns, but you guys will never think of working to divide the north.

Do you think that the Hausa man and the Idoma or Igala man have 100% the same interests? Do you think that the Kanuri man and the Berom or Gbagyi man have 100% interests? Heck, even among the core-northernerns they have their differences. The fulani man does not even have 100% interests with the Kanuri man. You guys don't even know that Kanuri people despise and look down on Hausa people.

You guys are not just smart and that is the problem.

fanficgirl:

They def have a higher birthratee though

They have a higher death rate too of course.

fanficgirl:

That is the question isn't it?o I don't understand this either. Nigerians knows our leaders are after their own interests, yet we still vote. Stomach infrastructure is powerful.

why don't you protest to put pressure on government, it get things done? In Ghana, there's this saying that politicians only listen when you protest.

Just30:
why don't you protest to put pressure on government, it get things done? In Ghana, there's this saying that politicians only listen when you protest.

Nigerians are cowardly. We look out for our own interests . A Nigerian will never protest for the betterment of their country if they ahve to put their lives at risk . No sense of patriotism copied with cowardliness and greediness make it impossible. However, there are protests happening, but they aren't big enough.

LeSudAfricaine:
well I've been a member of this forum since 2014, when I say you guys are forever comparing yourselves to us, I know exactly what I'm talking about! Yes your economy is big , but that's about it, it is like a Fiat with a Ferrari emblem. It's big, for the sake of being big it does nothung for the average Nigerian. Have your roads improved? your electricity issues? Infrasructure? Health care? You are too caught up with the title of being big not the substance.your economy is bigger than that of Botswana but Botswana has better living standards so your bragging is utterly useless

The problem Nigeria had was that a lot of responsibilities was handed to our state govts and this failed because our states were no longer viable after they had been over-proliferated.
However, some states have now began to work and yes healthcare, roads, electricity and infrastructure is now developing excellently is some states.

Just30:
why don't you protest to put pressure on government, it get things done? In Ghana, there's this saying that politicians only listen when you protest.

The irony is my mum was just telling me about the firing squad in Ghana and how they cleared up their government. Nigerians can never do that we agreed.

LeSudAfricaine:
did I say so? Lol, I said you need to do an introspection instead of always hurling abuse at the host countries.

Botswana has like no people...they should be first world with that population.
BTW improvements have been made in some states like Enugu

Maduawuchukwu:

The matter was very complicated. The truth is that the Nigerian Constitution only allows for Sharia in civil matters same with customary law. But the extremist section of the north forced their way. Obj could have stopped it but the crises would have threatened Nigeria and u know Obj carry Nigerian unity matter for head like Gala.

Yes, they forced their way, and the typical southerner who is always afraid of the Hausa-fulani gave in.

Even when OBJ allowed it, did that stop crisis from occuring? Not less than 5,000 lives were lost in Kaduna state because the Southern kaduna people could not allow Sharia in Kaduna state.

OBJ was still the commander of the military and the worst that would have happened was thay Core-northernerns would start attacking non indigenes. After that what next? Nothing.
That was the same way they attacked non indigenes post 2011 election and it was duly retaliated in many Southern and middlebelt areas. After all the southernerns and middlebelters have left their lands, what next? Would they declare seccession when they know that they are surviving on Southern rescources?

fanficgirl:

The irony is my mum was just telling me about the firing squad in Ghana and how they cleared up their government. Nigerians can never do that we agreed.

yes those were horrible but we did it and have come to realize how helpful it was. Now we are in the process of changing our constitution cos the existing one gave absolute power to the president.

fanficgirl:

Yes, the middlebelt isn't the prooblems, but the savages in areas like Borno . I agree, igbos and Yorubas are to blame for always attacking each other instead of working together to put the core North in their place. Core Northeners have exploited this

Exactly.

Core-northernerns are very wise. They have also succeeded in dividing the middlebelt with religion.

fanficgirl:

LOOOL you think we are silent about the ones in India and Malaysia? . We are even worse with them. I'm looking at a video now where Nigerians are spewing pure vitriol at Indians. You are not exempt and we retaliate worse with Indians and Malaysians. When have you seen Indians talked about in a positive light here? We routinely talk about India being a shithole with backwards racist people, not nice but trust me, it isn't just you.

Seriously, believe me, my hatred for Indians have increased. Woe unto any Indian that comes my path in life.

LeSudAfricaine:
what I'm trying to bring to light is there's a reason you are harassed where ever you go., peruse that reason before attacking these host countries

There is also a reason why you xenophobeasts attack not only Nigerians, but Zimbabweans, Zambians, Mozambicans, Angolans and Somalis too!

obaaderemi:
An imaginary,but at the same time,very real chasm divides Nigeria into north and south.The north is firmly in the grip of muslim fulanis who got empowered politically by the british at the dawn of independence.They control the military and much more.Left unchecked,they wouldn't mind forcing sharia law down the throat of the whole country.But in spite of all this,the country soldiers on making it look as if Nigeria has a contract with God because like it or not nigeria remains prominent in Africa.

I really don't believe in a line dividing Nigerian Northern and Southern cos it doesn't exist.
What difference does the Benue man have from the Ebonyi man? What about the Kogi and Edo man? What about the Kwara and Oyo man?

fanficgirl:

What the hell . Are you an idiot? Did you really just say that Nigeria isn't influential in West Africa hahahahahahahahahhhhhhhhhhhhhha. I laugh in Swahali. There is a reason that people want Nigeria to not break up, it would cost massive political and economic unrest in West Africa. REad any journals on this, I can't believe u said that.

it won't cause any political or economic unrest in west Africa. Your country will just end up like Syria and west Africa will be faced with a migrant crisis like never before and most West African countries will not accept refugees. Just look around Nigeria, all the countries there are French speaking countries and we all know their kind. They would not accept even a 1000 Nigerian.

Your only hope will be Ghana and we all know Ghana has 5million Nigerians and won't be willing to accept even a million more.

fanficgirl:

To allow politicians to change it anyhow and do whatever they want

Shame!!!
Okay, let me rephrase it this way : How can Nigeria claim to be one entity and yet operate different codes of law within the same polity?
So tell me now: if i am caught overspeeding on the highway , beat up a man , drink alcohol in my house, and play chinese music in my house , All in the same day ---- take me through who and what am likely to face to be punished for my misdemeanors and / or "crimes".

fanficgirl:

Botswana has like no people...they should be first world with that population.
BTW improvements have been made in some states like Enugu

you have used a phrase you don't understand
First world, second world and third world have nothing to do with economy

Just30:
you have used a phrase you don't understand
First world, second world and third world have nothing to do with economy

Yes, I know it has to do with the Cold War and Soviet block, but not anymore.It now deals with nations standards ooof living and that doesn't take away from what I said.

Just30:
it won't cause any political or economic unrest in west Africa. Your country will just end up like Syria and west Africa will be faced with a migrant crisis like never before and most West African countries will not accept refugees. Just look around Nigeria, all the countries there are French speaking countries and we all know their kind. They would not accept even a 1000 Nigerian.

Your only hope will be Ghana and we all know Ghana has 5million Nigerians and won't be willing to accept even a million more.

Do you know how many people live in Nigeria who come from countries like Benin, Chad, Togo ect? Nigeria is deeply entrenched in many economies in West Africa, as well as heavily involved and the primary donors of many political and economic organizations. I can't believe you don't think a Nigerian civil war won't have consequences LOL.

Just30:
every country has it's political galamsey but they still get things done. I'm not belittling Nigeria

Nigeria doesn't have stable electricity because elites make too much off diesel sells. As long as they are in charge they will ensure Nigeria won't. A person I know who started moving in those circles said that they deliberately mismanage Nigeria for their benefit.

obaaderemi:
That coup wasn't like a political campaign where people got to give their support or not.We only got to hear about it after it had taken place and failed.Many nigerian except the core northerners were heartbroken because it failed.Those guys were already inside dodan barracks.The disunity is too much.Even the xtian midbelt align with the north during elections only to be used and discarded like a woman of easy virtue.

Yes it was not a public campaign, but are you not aware of the public speech that was given by Gideon Orkar when he called on Middlebelters and Southernerns to arise and unite as one people? Do you want me to paste it here? It is all over the internet, pls google it and see!

You yorubas unite with the core-north more than Xtian middlebelt and that is a fact!

In 2011 elections, FCT and 7 states of the middlebelt/northern minorities voted for GEJ.
States like Kaduna and Plateau with the largest christian populations gave GEJ over 1 million votes each! No yoruba state gave GEJ up to 1 million votes in that election.

Even in 2015 election when only one yoruba state (Ekiti) gave GEJ their votes, 3 middlebelt states (Plateau, Nasarawa and Taraba) gave GEJ their votes while Kaduna state even gave more votes to GEJ than Ekiti votes for GEJ multiplied by 2. Kaduna votes for GEJ was even more than Abia state.
It was such a shame to see middlebelters supporting a southerner even more than the southernerns themselves.

Pls correct yourself.

Just30:
Nigeria is not even influential in West Africa how much more Africa as a whole

loolll and yet ghanains have come with their own version of pidgin loooooooplll that looks like influence to me.

and did u watch bbnaija , that show proved to me and every Nigerian how much influence Nigeria has on Africa

Just30:
it won't cause any political or economic unrest in west Africa. Your country will just end up like Syria and west Africa will be faced with a migrant crisis like never before and most West African countries will not accept refugees. Just look around Nigeria, all the countries there are French speaking countries and we all know their kind. They would not accept even a 1000 Nigerian.

Your only hope will be Ghana and we all know Ghana has 5million Nigerians and won't be willing to accept even a million more.

My God. Are you so ignorant?

Do you know that as large as India is, they are terribly afraid for Pakistan to fail or go into chaos? India is almost 6 times the size of Pakistan but they know that a failed Pakistan would mean Chaos for them because they would not be able to cope with the human population disaster and terrorism that will criss the border.

How much more a tiny little Ghana with 6 times less the population of Nigeria. Nigeria's population is greater than all other countries in west africa put together.
If Nigeria fails, Ghana would not be able to withstand the population of refugees that will enter it. Your borders are not strong enough and no matter how you try to fortify them, the population pressure will just be too much and Nigerians will outnumber you in your own country.
Seems like you don't know what we are talking about here.

MtuMsuper:

Shame!!!
Okay, let me rephrase it this way : How can Nigeria claim to be one entity and yet operate different codes of law within the same polity?
So tell me now: if i am caught overspeeding on the highway , beat up a man , drink alcohol in my house, and play chinese music in my house , All in the same day ---- take me through who and what am likely to face to be punished for my misdemeanors and / or "crimes".

What are you talking about?

Don't you see how USA functions? Don't you know that Gay marriage is still illegal in some states in the US?

http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/13/us/states-same-sex-marriage-ban/

Different states have different laws in the USA.

Nowenuse:


My God. Are you so ignorant?

Do you know that as large as India is, they are terribly afraid for Pakistan to fail or go into chaos? India is almost 6 times the size of Pakistan but they know that a failed Pakistan would mean Chaos for them because they would not be able to cope with the human population disaster and terrorism that will criss the border.

How much more a tiny little Ghana with 6 times less the population of Nigeria. Nigeria's population is greater than all other countries in west africa put together.
If Nigeria fails, Ghana would not be able to withstand the population of refugees that will enter it. Your borders are not strong enough and no matter how you try to fortify them, the population pressure will just be too much and Nigerians will outnumber you in your own country.
Seems like you don't know what we are talking about here.

Ghana can decide not to accept refugees and you would be locked out.
You are talking as if it's not a matter of decision not accept

uzzyfire:
loolll and yet ghanains have come with their own version of pidgin loooooooplll that looks like influence to me.

and did u watch bbnaija , that show proved to me and every Nigerian how much influence Nigeria has on Africa

you keep mentioning things I don't watch

Just30:
why don't you protest to put pressure on government, it get things done? In Ghana, there's this saying that politicians only listen when you protest.

fanficgirl:

The irony is my mum was just telling me about the firing squad in Ghana and how they cleared up their government. Nigerians can never do that we agreed.

Do you guys think Nigeria is like Ghana with only one majority group?
If such a thing is done in Nigeria it would instantly lead to a civil war. Infact something like that was what caused the Nigerian civil war of 1967.

For instance, now, a Hausa-fulani man is the president, if such a thing happens, the northernerns would instantly term it genocide against their people, and you don't need to be told the kind of ethno-religious war that will ensue. And as it stands, no sane Hausa-fulani man would want to do anything to destroy a Northern presidency when they finally got it after a long time.

Ethnic and religious sentiments will always make Nigerians never to come to a meeting point.

fanficgirl:

Do you know how many people live in Nigeria who come from countries like Benin, Chad, Togo ect? Nigeria is deeply entrenched in many economies in West Africa, as well as heavily involved and the primary donors of many political and economic organizations. I can't believe you don't think a Nigerian civil war won't have consequences LOL.

Ghana can decide not to accept refugees and no one can force her to. Precedent have been set. It's just a matter of decision and our parliament can do it in just half a month.