nateevs:




Conversely, you will expect the crudest of tactics against Chelsea. Constant annoying sh1t like man-marking Hazard, 13 men behind the ball etc. Do I see Lukaku constantly playing in a packed opposition back-line, where clever movements, swift one-twos, flicks and tricks are required to unlock these defence lines and score goals? The answer is a flat NO! There is nothing as yet about Lukaku to convince me that he possesses this in his locker.

And I cannot for the life of me understand why this is not so clear. Danny Murphy has not considered this in his analysis. And I can understand not every pundit has what it takes to analyse from a big-team perspective.



I really wish Lukaku good but please not at Chelsea. Certainly not at £65m. 23-year-old with 144 career goals in the PL. How many 23-year-olds can boast of such record at this age? None! True.

However, this is the sort of scenario you see Real & Barcelona going to war over, with agents all over his family members, offering deals to anyone, and flirting with him publically in the press, just to get the new sensation to their grounds. I see none of that happening. Alarm bells!

Where are [b]Bayern, PSG, Monaco, United, City, Arsenal, Liverpool..... All those who should be all [/b]over this chap who was breaking records at 21? Nowhere near.

And the reason is very clear to see. The flaw in Lukaku is greater than the sum of all good he brings to the game. EOS!

Uncle raumdeuter this is the post I reacted to. I hope you can see the list of clubs here? You cannot just bring in only juventus into this Convo. Thank you.

diggz:


Uncle ramdeuter this is the post I reacted to. I hope you can see the list of clubs here? You cannot just bring in only juventus into this Convo. Thank you.

Lol Diggz this is funny from you

nateevs obviously meant the big teams of the time which are the ones he listed . In 2004, PSG isn't a big club, Monaco isnt a big club, CIty wasnt in existence, Liverpool were a Europa level team so what is the false equivalence you are trying to draw up here

The big teams of those times were Barca-Etoo, Madrid- Ronaldo, Raul, Milan - Shevchenko, Arsenal - Henry, United- Nistelrooy and Juventus who made a bid for him and Inter - Vieri

So if someone refers to it that Pele played for Santos, Cryuff played for Ajax or Eusebio played for Benfica. You will ask if they were good why they didn't play for PSG, Chelsea or City

raumdeuter:



nateevs obviously meant the big teams of the time which are the ones he listed . In 2004, PSG isn't a big club, Monaco isnt a big club, CIty wasnt in existence, Liverpool were a Europa level team

The big teams of those times were Barca-Etoo, Madrid- Ronaldo, Raul, Milan - Shevchenko, Arsenal - Henry, United- Nistelrooy and Juventus who made a bid for him.

Kilagbe.....kileju!?

Don't try to be smart by half dayo! It is really annoying sometimes.

Instead of chatting bullshyte why not show me the list of too clubs that was after Drogba's signature?

Maybe I should list the top clubs along with their strikers as an excuse for lukaku also,hope you can see how this will end?

nateevs:



Not all of them stayed silent. Some have been consistent, based on facts that are very easy to observe. You will expect up to 95% of teams in the PL to line up against Everton thinking they can win. Therefore, no one's going into those games parking 11 men behind the ball.

Conversely, you will expect the crudest of tactics against Chelsea. Constant annoying sh1t like man-marking Hazard, 13 men behind the ball etc. Do I see Lukaku constantly playing in a packed opposition back-line, where clever movements, swift one-twos, flicks and tricks are required to unlock these defence lines and score goals? The answer is a flat NO! There is nothing as yet about Lukaku to convince me that he possesses this in his locker.

And I cannot for the life of me understand why this is not so clear. Danny Murphy has not considered this in his analysis. And I can understand not every pundit has what it takes to analyse from a big-team perspective.



I really wish Lukaku good but please not at Chelsea. Certainly not at £65m. 23-year-old with 144 career goals in the PL. How many 23-year-olds can boast of such record at this age? None! True.

However, this is the sort of scenario you see Real & Barcelona going to war over, with agents all over his family members, offering deals to anyone, and flirting with him publically in the press, just to get the new sensation to their grounds. I see none of that happening. Alarm bells!

Where are Bayern, PSG, Monaco, United, City, Arsenal, Liverpool..... All those who should be all over this chap who was breaking records at 21? Nowhere near.

And the reason is very clear to see. The flaw in Lukaku is greater than the sum of all good he brings to the game. EOS!

I don't know about flicks and tricks but Lukaku has certainly got clever movement, you can't score 24 goals and counting in a season in EPL and not have movement and positioning, impossible. Against Chelsea he was constantly moving trying to open up space for himself to receive the ball but no ball was coming.

I see no reason why Barcelona, Bayern, PSG, Madrid will come blazing for him when they have their own players(world class) to fill the ranks, the price Everton is putting on him is enough to drive suitors away in the first place.

Actually it was Ian Wright that did analysis on Lukaku and I googled him, Ian Wright not only played as Striker, he played for Arsenal, so he has got that first team perspective you want and is opinion holds more water to me. No disrespect intended.

I believe Lukaku can be successful at Chelsea because he has got that hunger for more and looking at other options available i doubt there is one that doesn't have a BUT.

pamcode:
I don't know about flicks and tricks but Lukaku has certainly got clever movement, you can't score 24 goals and counting in a season in EPL and not have movement and positioning, impossible. Against Chelsea he was constantly moving trying to open up space for himself to receive the ball but no ball was coming.

I see no reason why Barcelona, Bayern, PSG, Madrid will come blazing for him when they have their own players(world class) to fill the ranks, the price Everton is putting on him is enough to drive suitors away in the first place.

Actually it was Ian Wright that did analysis on Lukaku and I googled him, Ian Wright not only played as Striker, he played for Arsenal, so he has got that first team perspective you want and is opinion holds more water to me. No disrespect intended.

I believe Lukaku can be successful at Chelsea because he has got that hunger for more and looking at other options available i doubt there is one that doesn't have a BUT.

So Madrid don't have their own players whilst courting Neymar, Hazard, Bale, Kroos? Barcelona did not have Messi when they were courting Neymar, Suarez?

Hazard has nowhere near the number of goals Lukaku has scored and probably will never outscore Lukaku. Hazard is already 26 whilst Lukaku is just 23. But if Chelsea demand £80m for Hazard at this moment, history tells us Real will pay it. However, somehow, you think they won't buy Lukaku for significantly less, despite being younger, more prolific at goal-scoring and "hungrier" like you put it.

Alhaji this defence is DOA. You need to fetch more reasons.

I remembered last season FA Cup quarter final defeat against Everton, Lukaku scored the first brilliant goal of 2-0 dribbling like 4 of our defenders. I just kept watching the highlights now & yet he does nothing against big team. SMH.

I don't know what he needs to contribute again, he should kukuma double himself to midfielder

This was first week in April, Lukaku has the highest goals vs EPL Top 6 teams.

diggz:


Kilagbe.....kileju!?

Don't try to be smart by half dayo! It is really annoying sometimes.

Instead of chatting bullshyte why not show me the list of too clubs that was after Drogba's signature?

Maybe I should list the top clubs along with their strikers as an excuse for lukaku also,hope you can see how this will end?

I have shown you Juventus with evidence from the president of Marseille saying Juventus made a bid for Drogba

nateevs:



So Madrid don't have their own players whilst courting Neymar, Hazard, Bale, Kroos? Barcelona did not have Messi when they were courting Neymar, Suarez?

Hazard has nowhere near the goals Lukaku has scored and probably will never outscore Lukaku. Hazard is already 26 whilst Lukaku is just 23. But if Chelsea demand £80m for Lukaku at this moment, history tells us Real will pay it but somehow, you think they won't buy Lukaku for significantly less, despite being younger, more prolific at goal-scoring and "hungrier" like you put it.

Alhaji this defence is DOA. You need to fetch more reasons.

In your defence/support raumdeuter listed top clubs in 2004 along with their strikers as a reason why they couldn't be bothered about drogba and I am guessing pamcode must have picked it up from there.

You have to see reasons why the basis of Ur argument is weak and definitely not good enuff. You cannot condemn lukaku on the premise that no big club wants to sign him. If for nothing CFC are considering his signature and for good reasons too.

I asked dayo to list out the names of big clubs who wanted drogbas signature before we signed him and I got only Juventus.

If I decide to do some digging into your old post I am sure I will find were you blatantly condemned drogba with the reasons you are using against lukaku presently.

I actually drew Ur attention to Costas style of play and I am surprised you are rating him at all. The same Costa who keep 9 out of 10balls passed to him most of the time!

The truth is, I can agree with the type of strikers you have in mind for CFC e.g saurez or lewandoski however, you and I know this guys are not readily available in the market.

raumdeuter:


I have shown you Juventus with evidence from the president of Marseille saying Juventus made a bid for Drogba

Then it is obvious you cannot read and comprehend oga and it is not my fault.

Nateevs, clearly stated clubs like Madrid and barca are not interested in signing lukaku. He also went ahead to mention bayern, manU,psg,monaco,liverpool and arsenal to support his point.

I am sure you can do a bit of arithmetics dayo! So if or when you count the number of clubs Nateevs used as examples to support his point you will definitely count nothing less than 7clubs.

Please,tell me how drogbas case then is particularly different from lukakus case now? Asides Juventus who were so desperate to have his signature they did a Wenger on him by putting a bid half that of Chelsea.

Uncle dayo!! Except you can show me the evidence of at least 6top clubs asking for drogbas signature before CFC signed him then I really can not see why you entered this Convo to start with.

Thecassanova:
I remembered last season FA Cup quarter final defeat against Everton, Lukaku scored the first brilliant goal of 2-0 dribbling like 4 of our defenders. I just kept watching the highlights now & yet he does nothing against big team. SMH.

I don't know what he needs to contribute again, he should kukuma double himself to midfielder

This was first week in April, Lukaku has the highest goals vs EPL Top 6 teams.

I say leave these people. You go just tire. Are real Madrid or Barcelona chasing Harry Kane? Alexis Sanchez is having the best season of his entire career in terms of goals and asssists, I don't see any reports of Madrid and Barca chasing him.

Real Madrid/Barca ko, Atletico Madrid/Espanyol ni.

God will bless you for this graphic

diggz:



In your defence/support raumdeuter listed top clubs in 2004 along with their strikers as a reason why they couldn't be bothered about drogba and I am guessing pamcode must have picked it up from there.

You have to see reasons why the basis of Ur argument is weak and definitely not good enuff. You cannot condemn lukaku on the premise that no big club wants to sign him. If for nothing CFC are considering his signature and for good reasons too.

I asked dayo to list out the names of big clubs who wanted drogbas signature before we signed him and I got only Juventus.

If I decide to do some digging into your old post I am sure I will find were you blatantly condemned drogba with the reasons you are using against lukaku presently.

I actually drew Ur attention to Costas style of play and I am surprised you are rating him at all. The same Costa who keep 9 out of 10balls passed to him most of the time!

The truth is, I can agree with the type of strikers you have in mind for CFC e.g saurez or lewandoski however, you and I know this guys are not readily available in the market.

I am sure if you dig into my posts, you will find the same reasons I condemned Drogba. I was not wrong. What I was wrong about was that I was condemning his style of play, when his style of play was the perfect solution for how we approached the game in that era.

In the same vein, if we were to return to that playing style, Lukaku may do. However, we are not. We have since moved on from that style of play and as such, that type of Striker is not a fit. It's a very simple debate. The reason we should stay away from the dude is the same reason others are. Very simple debate. And there is nothing contradictory about my stance. Then or now.

Word has it that it is Emenalo who is trying to sign him, not Conte. So I don't support in entirety that "Chelsea" are after him.

From everything we've seen in the press, there is little to nothing to suggest Conte is even interested so don't be surprised to see Lukaku in Everton next season and you guys will be here still, telling us why he is hotter than all strikers.


Question. If Chelsea don't buy Lukaku next season, what will be the excuse he's not moved?

^don't worry UtD go sign am. .

is real Madrid sure to beat their bitter rivals atletico tonight?

nateevs:



I am sure if you dig into my posts, you will find the same reasons I condemned Drogba. I was not wrong. What I was wrong about was that I was condemning his style of play, when his style of play was the perfect solution for how we approached the game in that era.

In the same vein, if we were to return to that playing style, Lukaku may do. However, we are not. We have since moved on from that style of play and as such, that type of Striker is not a fit. It's a very simple debate. The reason we should stay away from the dude is the same reason others are. Very simple debate. And there is nothing contradictory about my stance. Then or now.

Word has it that it is Emenalo who is trying to sign him, not Conte. So I don't support in entirety that "Chelsea" are after him.

From everything we've seen in the press, there is little to nothing to suggest Conte is even interested so don't be surprised to see Lukaku in Everton next season and you guys will be here still, telling us why he is hotter than all strikers.


Question. If Chelsea don't buy Lukaku next season, what will be the excuse he's not moved?

You must be joking if you think Lukaku is not moving next season, even if we don't sign him.

SIRcumalot:
^don't worry UtD go sign am. .

abi sefff....make una carry am

is real Madrid sure to beat their bitter rivals atletico tonight?

Nihilist:


You must be joking if you think Lukaku is not moving next season, even if we don't sign him.

Sebi you say you no go dasi

nateevs:


Sebi you say you no go dasi

I no like as una dey tasi my nigga Big Rom

nateevs:



So Madrid don't have their own players whilst courting Neymar, Hazard, Bale, Kroos? Barcelona did not have Messi when they were courting Neymar, Suarez?

Hazard has nowhere near the number of goals Lukaku has scored and probably will never outscore Lukaku. Hazard is already 26 whilst Lukaku is just 23. But if Chelsea demand £80m for Hazard at this moment, history tells us Real will pay it. However, somehow, you think they won't buy Lukaku for significantly less, despite being younger, more prolific at goal-scoring and "hungrier" like you put it.

Alhaji this defence is DOA. You need to fetch more reasons.

lol Alright You believe what you want to believe and I would believe what I want to believe.

Ija ko si ni Church, S'adura ki n s'amin ni.

macjireh:
is real Madrid sure to beat their bitter rivals atletico tonight?

Customer dada ni Atletico fun Real Madrid.

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raumdeuter:


If you are talking about Figo in 2000. No Zidane deserved it and rightly won it

That Euro 2000 semi final decided it for me and Zidane laid down the law on that day on who is the boss

Nonsense. You mean Zidane scored a dodgy penalty in the semi?

Figo was head and shoulders above Zidane in LaLiga and was voted best foreign player in LaLiga, not Zidane. He even won Balon Dor that season and the outcry in Spain was massive that Zidane robbed him.

Figo with wastemen like Nuno Homes, Vidigal, Dimas and Abel Xavier was taking France into extra time in the semi. Infact the whole Portugal11 were wastemen except Figo, Rui Costa, Costinha and maybe Fernando Couto. That's enough for me. All fingers are not equal.

diggz:



Then it is obvious you cannot read and comprehend oga and it is not my fault.

Nateevs, clearly stated clubs like Madrid and barca are not interested in signing lukaku. He also went ahead to mention bayern, manU,psg,monaco,liverpool and arsenal to support his point.

I am sure you can do a bit of arithmetics dayo! So if or when you count the number of clubs Nateevs used as examples to support his point you will definitely count nothing less than 7clubs.

Please,tell me how drogbas case then is particularly different from lukakus case now? Asides Juventus who were so desperate to have his signature they did a Wenger on him by putting a bid half that of Chelsea.

Uncle dayo!! Except you can show me the evidence of at least 6top clubs asking for drogbas signature before CFC signed him then I really can not see why you entered this Convo to start with.

Drogba deal to Juve was already agreed for £13m until Chelsea stepped in late after signing Mourinho who asked for him. Marseille smelt a mugu and upped the price to £24m.

Last season, Lukaku had the most goals against the top 6.

This season he doesn't, but of course people will choose whichever of the two stats fits their argument.

Lukaku is a big game and a small game player. A physical player like Lukaku will always perform regardless of opposition because physical power does not respect whether you are a top player or average player. He will bully you the same way. You can ask Drogba.

This is why I want madrd to meet juve in semis

Now madrid have won champions league again

Mtchew

Ororo the WPOTY

Ibime:


Nonsense. You mean Zidane scored a dodgy penalty in the semi?

Figo was head and shoulders above Zidane in LaLiga and was voted best foreign player in LaLiga, not Zidane. He even won Balon Dor that season and the outcry in Spain was massive that Zidane robbed him.

Figo with wastemen like Nuno Homes, Vidigal, Dimas and Abel Xavier was taking France into extra time in the semi. Infact the whole Portugal11 were wastemen except Figo, Rui Costa, Costinha and maybe Fernando Couto. That's enough for me. All fingers are not equal.

Have you started skipping your meds again

Zidane was in Juvetus in 2000, So how will Zidane from Italy be in contention for the best foreign player in La Liga or better still let me counter with this Figo was unable to win Serie A best foreign player while playing for Barcelona shows Zidane is better

Zidane was carrying geriatrics quater to retirememnent like Blanc Deschamps and Dessailly with big game wastemen like Henry

raumdeuter:


Have you started skipping your meds again

Zidane was in Juvetus in 2000, So how will Zidane from Italy be in contention for the best foreign player in La Liga or better still let me counter with this Figo was unable to win Serie A best foreign player while playing for Barcelona shows Zidane is better

Zidane was carrying geriatrics quater to retirememnent like Blanc Deschamps and Dessailly with big game wastemen like Henry

OK, you got that. Now name the Serie A player of the year, let's see if Zidane was even in the running for his own league. Also name the France11 Vs the Portugal 11, make we see say shoe get size. In 2000, Figo was head and shoulders above Zidane. In those days, we used to refer to World Soccer POTY as well after FIFA award, and Figo won that as well as the Balon Dor. It's not by telling us he beasted with a dodgy penalty in the Euro semi that would make me rate Zidane over Figo that year.

Ibime:


OK, you got that. Now name the Serie A player of the year, let's see if Zidane was even in the running for his own league. Also name the France11 Vs the Portugal 11, make we see say shoe get size. In 2000, Figo was head and shoulders above Zidane. In those days, we used to refer to World Soccer POTY as well after FIFA award, and Figo won that as well as the Balon Dor. It's not by telling us he beasted with a dodgy penalty in the Euro semi that would make me rate Zidane over Figo that year.

Serie A player of the year 2000 was Sheva who was the comparable talent to Figo. Not Zidane. You cant see Zidane and figo on the field in 2000 and not see the difference

Its like seeing Ribery and Messi on the field, while Ribery will be hustling to make things happen, Messi will do the same with a cigar in his mouth

That France vs Portugal go check the overhead control, Zidane did and laid the pass to Henry/Anelka. Ball control only Zidane murders Figo

Euro 2000 semi and world cup 2006 quarter are 2 of the best Zidane games I have ever seen he shat on the entire midfield

raumdeuter:


Serie A player of the year 2000 was Sheva who was the comparable talent to Figo. Not Zidane. You cant see Zidane and figo on the field in 2000 and not see the difference

Its like seeing Ribery and Messi on the field, while Ribery will be hustling to make things happen, Messi will do the same with a cigar in his mouth

That France vs Portugal go check the overhead control, Zidane did and laid the pass to Henry/Anelka. Ball control only Zidane murders Figo

Euro 2000 semi and world cup 2006 quarter are 2 of the best Zidane games I have ever seen he shat on the entire midfield

Serial A player of the year 2000 was Totti.

Figo is not on Shevas level. Figo is a WPOTY himself in 2001. He was the prototype that sprung the modern Ronaldo-type winger, before that most wingers were run and cross.

World Cup 2006 quarterfinal is the best game I've ever seen Zidane play. 2000 semi, he was facing Vidigal and co. That one na midfield?

Ibime:


Serial A player of the year 2000 was Totti.

Figo is not on Shevas level. Figo is a WPOTY himself in 2001. He was the prototype that sprung the modern Ronaldo-type winger, before that most wingers were run and cross.

World Cup 2006 quarterfinal is the best game I've ever seen Zidane play. 2000 semi, he was facing Vidigal and co. That one na midfield?

I meant best foreign player in Italy the equivalent you showed us Figo won in Spain.

That 2001 wpoty was a compensation not that anyone wad outstanding that year. Was that not the year Michael Owen was balon dor.

There is no similarity between Figo and Dinho. Dinho was more skillful and a bigger goal threat.

Figo was the old school winger mostly in a 442. Like Amunike. I'm on mobile and can't check his goals scoring record but I'm sure if we remove penalties it will be mediocre.

Vidigal won't be much worse than Deschamps of 2000 who could barely turn

Rui Costa, Sergio Conceicao, Fernando Couto, Joao Pinto, Jorge Costa, Vitor Bahia talent for talent can match the best in Europe that time

After Euro 2000 Blanc and Deschamps went into retirement

Figo cant be compared to Ronaldo type winger at all, Figo highest was 2002/03 10 league goals a season 5 of which were penalties
next was 04/05 where he scored 8 league goals of which 6 were penalties

So how can Figo be the proto-type to Ronaldo winger the scoring wingers? Figo was strictly a winger for 442

Lukaku is quality ka ma kuro ka ma jale. He will likely do better than Costa if he gets the service.

So whether big clubs are after him or not is moot. We won the treble with Mario Mandzukic so its down to if he can fit.

Shebi na Benzema we dey see for Madrid. Wetin e dey play?