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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by lionel4power(m): 7:54pm On May 10, 2017 |
Odunayaw:the longer the barrel the slower it will traverse 360 degree. the slower the gun nozzle can be brought to bear on the target. its just simple maths. if you have a shorter barrel the quicker you can engage multiple targets. plus other issues like shifting centre of gravity in uneven terrain. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Odunayaw(m): 8:03pm On May 10, 2017 |
lionel4power:I can't bliv what am seeing ![]() anyway...moving on |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by giles14(m): 8:08pm On May 10, 2017 |
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by giles14(m): 8:18pm On May 10, 2017 |
Odunayaw:dont forget the BHT are highly mobile. so quick action is the solution |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Odunayaw(m): 8:27pm On May 10, 2017 |
giles14:I advice you to probably watch a YouTube video There is a doctrine for every materiel Meanwhile a quick illustration..The Sagaie is akin to a sniper rifle..never to be employed in close range |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by giles14(m): 8:41pm On May 10, 2017 |
Odunayaw:agreed. but after shortening it's barrel,armor will then be add to the vehicle while the tanks are used for base defense,the ERC90 will serve as a hunter killer vehicle. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by lionel4power(m): 8:53pm On May 10, 2017 |
Odunayaw:I hate typing on phones it makes my sentence jumbled. anyway if you didn't understand what i wrote then that's very poor of you. let me make it clearer so you can comprehend. ********* we have this common misconception that a longer barrel = a longer range or better accuracy which is FALSE. A longer range is mostly determined by the type of propellant charge used and the barrel elevation. One the the major reason the former iraqi army lost the tank war against the US Army in the Gulf war was due to their use of half-charge propellant as opposed to the proper propellant thereby making their tank rounds fall short. in summary all am trying to say is that a longer tank barrel is not the deciding factor for range since longer range can be gotten by using a energetic tank round propellant charge and SUPER-ELEVATION while accuracy is the sole job of the Fire Control System if the tank barrel hasn't wear out too much. the fire control computes the targeting data after all factors is considered and it provides a fire solution. A shorter barreled gun can still fire at longer range more than a really long gun. Hope I have helped you understand. anybody that knows their tanks well can explain to you better. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by MiddleDimension: 8:54pm On May 10, 2017 |
ActivateKruger:but the iarealis will eat all of them raw, arab forces combined. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Odunayaw(m): 9:13pm On May 10, 2017 |
lionel4power:you talk too much and out of context most times your last post was centred on the sagaie supposedly being slow in slewing on to target bcuz its sports a long barrel If you r trying to show me you have a supernatural cartographic skill I am not impressed Do yourself a favor and research how differently comes to play on the battlefield be better next time,Thanks |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by LTGEN: 9:20pm On May 10, 2017 |
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by lionel4power(m): 9:53pm On May 10, 2017 |
[quote author=LTGEN post=56400538][/quote] first of all the Iraqis lost the tank wat for many reasons. they were being defensive been one of of them also they used inferior propellant charge which made their rounds fall short. The M1A1 kills were mostly from long range which the T72s couldnt match. but we are talking about the sagaie having a too long a barrel but I hope you saw this my post though. **** in summary all am trying to say is that a longer tank barrel is not the deciding factor for range since longer range can be gotten by using a energetic tank round propellant charge and SUPER-ELEVATION while accuracy is the sole job of the Fire Control System if the tank barrel hasn't wear out too much. ******* hope you saw the bolded too. all tank gun barrel wear our whether long or short. A good FCS will factor barrel wear when providing firing solutions. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 10:29pm On May 10, 2017 |
Henry240:Continued from previous page. Haven gone through North-Africa were 3 countries produce APC's, and East-Africa were 2 countries(Ethiopia & Uganda) licence produce APCs, it's time to head to West-Africa. Unfortunately, no country in Central Africa produces any APC. In West-Africa, only one country produces APC's, that's Nigeria. There are 5 different types of APCs produced in Nigeria. -Igirigi APC - Ara MRAP - PF2 APC - Viper APC -Leopard APC . This means, outside South-Africa, Nigeria produces the most types of APCs in Africa. So, here goes, the Igirigi APC. 7 Likes
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 10:34pm On May 10, 2017 |
Following the Igirigi APC is the ARA MRAP/APC 6 Likes
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 10:38pm On May 10, 2017 |
The 3rd APC type from Nigeria is the PF2 5 Likes
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 10:43pm On May 10, 2017 |
In number 4 for Nigeria is the PF Viper. 3 Likes
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 10:48pm On May 10, 2017 |
At number 5 for Nigeria is the PF leopard 3 Likes
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 10:55pm On May 10, 2017 |
Coming . 1 Like
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 11:11pm On May 10, 2017 |
We've seen APCs built in North-Africa, we've seen East-Africa, and have now finished with West-Africa, it is time to head on to Southern Africa and the home of the Wolf APC. In Southern Africa only Namibia produces an APC, with the exception of South-Africa Offcourse. The Wolf APC MK1 2 Likes
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 11:13pm On May 10, 2017 |
Wolf MK II The Wolf is also known as the Namibian Cassipir
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 11:14pm On May 10, 2017 |
Wolf MK III 1 Like 1 Share
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 11:17pm On May 10, 2017 |
In all, around 20 different types of APCs are produced in Africa, excluding South-Africa. That's not bad at all. ![]() ![]() |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by DaV8King(m): 12:57am On May 11, 2017 |
Henry240: Small correction Sir, we produce 5 types as the pictured is a Streit product undergoing repairs/overhaul. Compare with photo in this link: https://beegeagle./2012/05/12/nigeria-police-lagos-rapid-response-squad-apc/ |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Hrmnn: 2:37am On May 11, 2017 |
Henry240: I like the fact that the MRAP is leading the column, with the AMLs close behind and prepared to provide fire support against ambushes as necessary. 2 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Hrmnn: 3:09am On May 11, 2017 |
lionel4power: Let me respectfully disagree with this, speaking from personal experience not with tanks but armoured cars and the AML series in particular. Traverse speed all depends on the turret drive, not the length of the barrel. If the turret is manually traversed then it's not impossible a longer barrel may take longer to traverse. However, with an electric/hydraulic turret drive a longer barrelled gun can easily turn much faster than a shorter barrelled gun with manual traverse. For comparison, it takes twenty to thirty seconds for a normal Ratel-90/Eland-90/AML-90 turret to rotate 360 degrees. Maybe slightly faster with a strong and well-drilled gunner. 61mech and anybody else who has hand cranked that turret will attest to this. It takes ten to fifteen seconds to traverse the same turret with an electric drive, like in the latest models of the AML-90 Lynx. Manual turret hand cranks in the 90mm turret: 2 Likes
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by MikeCZA: 5:41am On May 11, 2017 |
Henry240:Is it in production or is the prototype built yet? Anyway Namibia has a longer list. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 6:28am On May 11, 2017 |
DaV8King: Thanks for the correction. My post has been edited to reflect change. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 6:32am On May 11, 2017 |
MikeCZA: Prototype stage. Let's see what else the Namibians have so that we can add it up. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kikuyu1(m): 8:05am On May 11, 2017 |
61mech:Henry240,you're confusing normal wearing of patina,which is a thin oxide layer protecting the alloy with rust. With age it blues or goes dark grey. Iron is a decomposition of steel induced by water,in this case worsened by marine environment. Your analogy isn't even apples and oranges but pineapples and bananas. That pic shows the entire unit from the sub unit to unit commanders have collectively fallen asleep! |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by andrewza: 8:08am On May 11, 2017 |
kenpaul0: Boats on operastion accumulate rust fast. I am not making a big deal about it since i have seen worse from 1st world countries. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by andrewza: 8:12am On May 11, 2017 |
61mech: It will neex to be replaced and sent to the worshops. But ships can rust fast. I mean hell they could of run out of needed supplies to maintain them. But iam not to worried about training and leader ship over 1 boat. If it was a common sight it would be a issue. But one just means either that boat has a issue or its crew not tge fleet. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 8:42am On May 11, 2017 |
andrewza: It is not even a boat issue, it is one gun, which is old and has no evidence of rust. I have provided enough evidence to support my argument that what we see isn't rust. I stand by my argument until there is evidence to the contrary. Look at the barrel of this gun. We have a situation where there is a gradual erosion of the cathodic material used in preserving the gun. That's all there is to it. 1 Like
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by andrewza: 11:50am On May 11, 2017 |
Henry240: Looks like surface rust. But i would say that gun can fire. As long as the rust is just surface rust. As i said i have seen worse. |
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