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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by eterisan(m): 3:11pm On Jun 03, 2017
Mujtahida:

I have modified my answer but to answer your questions Awaziem on the strength of his club and training is in my opinion better than Omeruo (if I recall even this season he scored own goals twice) far as trust is concerned I'd say yes for Rohr to trust Omeruo more despite the fact he switches off. For the game plan, it depends on what the game plan is and I am not privy to it(all of us na speculate we dey speculate)

Never forget that Oboabana and Omeruo were rookie defenders at our Afcon 2013 and they manned the defence admirably well to the extent we won the tournament but where is Oboabana today and is Omeruo at the same level he was at then? Someone is coming right behind him.
Awaziem better?..*coughs and clears throat* because of porto b? Omeruo na chelsea player shey you know? Omeruo was not a rookie..I beg to disagree..he had been playing youth football and consistently been with d senior team bf afcon 13. Anyway rohr has d final say..nd whatever he decides we will all respect it nd hope it is for the best. I guess I will draw the curtain on my contributions to this discuss here..thanks everybody
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by AIG07: 3:12pm On Jun 03, 2017
Joebie:
So you will start an out of form Iwobi ahead of an in-form Moses Simon as Left Winger?

I'm using Iwobi as an example because we have seen him in that state in the recent past.

definitely will.
Sir, You should be placing S. Moses and A. Musa side by side in the national team.

If Iwobi was to be an average player who happened to have some dip in form as u stated do you think he would have picked up so easily again? It's just barely 2month ago and from report reaching us from Camp, the dude has gotten his fit back.

As for S. Moses, I am not seeing the FORM you are saying.

Thank God, God's willing we'll all get to watch next weekend fixture against SA(Atleast DStv will show this one).

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 3:17pm On Jun 03, 2017
Dedebanky85:
Every National team selection has a pattern. Coaches don't just bench existing players merely because a new entrant is in-form. France played a friendly yesterday and Giroud still started ahead of Mbappe and Lacazette. In terms of National teams chemistry is very limited due to shorter training camps. So coaches tend to stick with existing starting 11. That's why I know I can confidently select my 11 for June10.
Akpeyi; Shehe RB, Elderson LB, Omeruo and Ekong CB; Ndidi DM, Onazi CM, Etebo AM; Iwobi RW + free roamer, Musa RW+LW, Iheanacho ST.

Free Roamer means, he'd not be pinned to that RW all game. He'd interchange with Etebo and Musa a lot. I'm 98% sure that this is the team.

Thumbs up to you.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 3:17pm On Jun 03, 2017
I'm not questioning Iwobi's class as you put it. My question is if Iwobi is out of form as we saw him at a point in time recently will you rather start ahead of an in-form Moses Simon on LW. Both players play that position. We have seen an in-form Moses Simon. Many of our forwards are versatile. Even Ahmed Musa has played LW for us many times in the past.

Experiencing a deep = out of form

AIG07:
definitely will.
Sir, You should be placing S. Moses and A. Musa side by side in the national team.

If Iwobi was to be an average player who happened to have some dip in form as u stated do you think he would have picked up so easily again? It's just barely 2month ago and from report reaching us from Camp, the dude has gotten his fit back.

As for S. Moses, I am not seeing the FORM you are saying.

Thank God, God's willing we'll all get to watch next weekend fixture against SA(Atleast DStv will show this one).
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 3:19pm On Jun 03, 2017
undecided
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Humility017(m): 3:20pm On Jun 03, 2017
eterisan:
whether you are a young player or experienced you only take to the pitch if you are better than the guy you are benching nd/or if the coach trusts you to deliver with regards to tactics and game plan..this is what nacho currently lacks at city ..he is not better than those ahead of him nd doesnt fit in tactically with pep hence no trust..now my question is..is awaziem better than omeruo? Does the coach trust him more than omeruo? Can he deliver tactically nd implement the game plan better than omeruo against sa? If 2 out of those 3 questions gives a yes then he will start else he won't..
cc. Sir Icons4s, TheGoodJoe, forgiveness
is it not the same omeruo u are taking side wit that gave the Zambians a goal...the last time...same omeruo made rantie look like a super star in uyo...

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Humility017(m): 3:21pm On Jun 03, 2017
[quote author=Mujtahida post=57156563][/quote]
the funny thing is the omeruo they're arguing for seems to play more of defensive midfield lately for his club side....and not central defense
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 3:21pm On Jun 03, 2017
eterisan:

Awaziem better?..*coughs and clears throat* because of porto b? Omeruo na chelsea player shey you know? Omeruo was not a rookie..I beg to disagree..he had been playing youth football and consistently been with d senior team bf afcon 13. Anyway rohr has d final say..nd whatever he decides we will all respect it nd hope it is for the best. I guess I will draw the curtain on my contributions to this discuss here..thanks everybody
As at 2013 when Omeruo made his debut for the senior national team he was a rookie defender. He was at Chelsea. Was he playing for Chelsea? The point(read where you said Omeruo was at Chelsea and had been with the Eagles before he made his debut) I am trying to make is that Awaziem today is at where Omeruo was when he started. And he's not improved. He's gone on loan four times and I guess he's still on loan.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 3:25pm On Jun 03, 2017
eterisan:
TheGoodJoe I m your fan..but I will strongly disagree with you on this...just answer simple question is awaziem better than omeruo? Does rohr trust him more? Do u think awaziem can implement the tactical plan agaisnt sa better than omeruo?
As a city fan..why do you think maffeo, adarabioyo,denayer nd angelino will likely not get shots at first team football and become regular starters? don't view things through the tainted lenses of youth over experience.. Of which that is not even the debate becos omeruo is young

Concerning if Rohr trust Omeruo more, I can not ascertain that until the camping reports. For now, my money is on Awaziem. Unless reports states otherwise, Awaziem ticks the right boxes.

Concerning Angelino and co., there are clearly better talents out there. City needs to tighten their scouting methods to unearth top quality youngsters. We are just spending money on whatever kid that shows promise. We need to treat the Etihad campus with as much seriousness as we do with the senior team. Although some transfers are questionable, like Sterling and Nolito.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by maidaboi(m): 3:25pm On Jun 03, 2017
forgiveness:



Is it difficult for people to understand what you are saying?

There seems to be some magogo in the team selections.

If he is playing regularly or if he is a bench warmer of bigger clubs that I can understand but calling Osimhen na arrange.

I have begining to understand how selection plays.

They call their preferred player even if na bench warmer and bring him to the National team to increace their stock while they ignore the inform players until their club throway dem because of lack of market value of the said player. The club expects you to be called to the national team to increase your stock and sell you for a big prize but no coach looks ya way hence the need to kick you out for a more valuable player. grin

I can mention plenty players in the National team that were nothing before their stock were raised as a result of being a National team player. grin

They use the national team to promote some players and na wetin dem wan do for Osinhem. grin

Later dem go comdemn the once wey no use national team better dem life. grin
because your players where not invited is why you are saying this trash
don't worry solanke, seyi ojo, ajagun, thiago ilori will be invited for our next month friendly with biafra
crazy dude hahahahahahahahaha....!

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Humility017(m): 3:26pm On Jun 03, 2017
TheGoodJoe:


You are making it look as if Omeruo will walk into the starting eleven of FC Porto.

I tell you...same omeruo that could not walk into the starting eleven of Middlesbrough'

I am surprised at our conservative approach to football... it took ndidi exploit at Leicester for us to know that the dude is now ripe for SE and now a starting material... if not our Turkish based player...onazi would have still been keeping him on the bench...
Nigerians rarely spot potentials I doubt if many of us here can ever make a good scout......
we just cling to the old way of life and expecting unprecedented change to take place....
the omeruo many clamour for here...is now a defensive midfielder in his club and not a central defender....

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Humility017(m): 3:27pm On Jun 03, 2017
maidaboi:
because your players where not invited is why you are saying this trash
don't worry solanke, seyi ojo, ajagun, thiago ilori will be invited for our next month friendly with biafra
crazy dude hahahahahahahahaha....!

don't mind my brother forgiveness....
I personally will want NFF to employ him or better still he engage in a volunteer job for the NFF helping lure those foreign born players he clamoured for to come play for the SE...
rohr will appreciate him...every here will do also.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 3:29pm On Jun 03, 2017
Humility017:

the funny thing is the omeruo they're arguing for seems to play more of defensive midfield lately for his club side....and not central defense
Currently there are players who when they play for us your heart go dey shake if them dey defence
*Ezenwa
*Akpeyi
*Omeruo

While some if dem dey attack you go just d vex
*Ighalo
*Ideye
*Musa(sometimes)

When you see a confident player you will know. Even if you are not in camp once you watch them on television you'd feel their confidence and that puts you at ease. Jay Jay made lots of mistakes, Kanu too but this were generally confident players. Omeruo is good but he gives us jitters.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Humility017(m): 3:29pm On Jun 03, 2017
eterisan:

Awaziem better?..*coughs and clears throat* because of porto b? Omeruo na chelsea player shey you know? Omeruo was not a rookie..I beg to disagree..he had been playing youth football and consistently been with d senior team bf afcon 13. Anyway rohr has d final say..nd whatever he decides we will all respect it nd hope it is for the best. I guess I will draw the curtain on my contributions to this discuss here..thanks everybody

please when last did omeruo play a CB role for his club....?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 3:31pm On Jun 03, 2017
Humility017:


I tell you...same omeruo that could not walk into the starting eleven of Middlesbrough'

I am surprised at our conservative approach to football... it took ndidi exploit at Leicester for us to know that the dude is now ripe for SE and now a starting material... if not our Turkish based player...onazi would have still been keeping him in the bench...
Nigerians rarely spot potentials I doubt if many of us here can ever make a good scout......
we just cling to the old way of life and expecting unprecedented change to take place....
the omeruo many clamour for here...is now a defensive midfielder in his club and not a central defender....

It took Iheanacho to score the decider against Crystal Palace before people agreed he deserved a Super Eagles call-up. What you are pointing out even goes on to coaches. Some coaches just watch around and look for starting eleven players in clubs and old list. Then call these players regulars. Very few have the capability of rolling their sleeves and unearthing gems.

Look at Jardim's work at Monaco or Ranieri with Ngolo Kante, Mahrez and Ndidi. Now clubs are rushing for Sidibe, Bernado Silva, Mendy, Lemar and Mbappe. However, these players were there before this season.

Most people analyse football with that same static spectacle.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Humility017(m): 3:35pm On Jun 03, 2017
Mujtahida:

Currently there are players who when they play for us your heart go dey shake if them dey defence
*Ezenwa
*Akpeyi
*Omeruo

While some if dem dey attack you go just d vex
*Ighalo
*Ideye
*Musa(sometimes)

When you see a confident player you will know. Even if you are not in camp once you watch them on television you'd feel their confidence and that puts you at ease. Jay Jay made lots of mistakes, Kanu too but this were generally confident players. Omeruo is good but he gives us jitters.

perfect list....
the mistakes omeruo makes these days makes me scared....
I really Blame him for this...
he has refused to place his career beyond the prestige and value of being a Chelsea player..
players that value their career in his shoes should be thinking of leaving Chelsea permanently go establish yourself somewhere...instead of constant Loans
you can't expect to get used to a team playing pattern, learn and get used to the weather and surrounding environment under one season loan spell...
that has been happening to him...always moving from team to team..
the last time I heard he now plays defensive midfield.....
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 3:37pm On Jun 03, 2017
forgiveness:



Is it difficult for people to understand what you are saying?

There seems to be some magogo in the team selections.

If he is playing regularly or if he is a bench warmer of bigger clubs that I can understand but calling Osimhen na arrange.

I have begining to understand how selection plays.

They call their preferred player even if na bench warmer and bring him to the National team to increace their stock while they ignore the inform players until their club throway dem because of lack of market value of the said player. The club expects you to be called to the national team to increase your stock and sell you for a big prize but no coach looks ya way hence the need to kick you out for a more valuable player. grin

I can mention plenty players in the National team that were nothing before their stock were raised as a result of being a National team player. grin

They use the national team to promote some players and na wetin dem wan do for Osinhem. grin

Later dem go comdemn the once wey no use national team better dem life. grin
This your assertion that the invitation of Osimhen na arrange is strong o. In fact that's a serious allegation and impugns on the integrity of Rohr.
Do you have any evidence for this allegation?

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Humility017(m): 3:38pm On Jun 03, 2017
Mujtahida:

This your assertion that the invitation of Osimhen na arrange is strong o. In fact that's a serious allegation and impugns on the integrity of Rohr.
Do you have any evidence for this allegation?
if rohr was a Nigerian... I think it would have been nepotism
#LOL
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 3:38pm On Jun 03, 2017
forgiveness:


why are you against Obafemi Martins and Ideye even taye taiwo nko? grin

We for also invite Mutiu Adepoju, Ayo Makinwa , even Seyi Olofinjana.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 3:39pm On Jun 03, 2017
Humility017:
if rohr was a Nigerian... I think it would have been nepotism #LOL
You sure know forgiveness.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Humility017(m): 3:39pm On Jun 03, 2017
Icon4s:


We for also invite Mutiu Adepoju, Ayo Makinwa , even Seyi Olofinjana.

abeg my oga nor use laugh kill me
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 3:41pm On Jun 03, 2017
Humility017:

abeg my oga nor use laugh kill me
You sha understand.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 3:41pm On Jun 03, 2017
Okay lets follow your logic:

Since Omeruo fumbled as CB against Zambia he has NEVER returned there.
Against Zambia Ndidi played RB, ahead of Shehu
Omeruo was RB versus Algeria ahead of Shehu. Shehu replaced him in the 66th minute.
Ebuehi started as RB against Corsica ahead of Shehu in the absence of Omeruo
Omeruo started as RB against Senegal ahead of Ebuehi and Shehu
Shehu started as RB against Togo ahead of Ebuehi in the absence of Omeruo.

So this follows that... (although Rohr makes the final say)

modified**
Let me help you.
So far it follows that :
1. Omeruo is preferred among the trio at RB
2. Omeruo has never been used to pair Ekong at CB since the Zambia mishap
3. Shehu has been a regular call up and his closest rival seems to be the new entrant, Ebuehi
4. Awaziem even though a new entrant will most likely get the nod since Rohr has not tempered with that Awaziem-Ekong CB partnership even in test training matches. That's more like continuity in the absence of Balogun. It is LESS risky than an Omeruo-Ekong CB partnership AGAIN after a long time.





eterisan:
zambia away omeruo started at cb..rb..ever since...but since we have ebuehi and shehu..I do not think he is in contention for the rb slot..cb...its him against awaziem...if he loses his spot against awaziem in the absence of balogun then that means he is declining and personally I do not see that..not yet

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 3:42pm On Jun 03, 2017
Joebie:
Not Rohr's Super Eagles


Hmmmmm! I see.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Humility017(m): 3:42pm On Jun 03, 2017
Icon4s:

You sure know forgiveness.
should we ask him now his take on this omeruo and awaziem debate... he will tell us he prefer Tiago IIori he is so predictable....

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 3:44pm On Jun 03, 2017
Icon4s:


We for also invite Mutiu Adepoju, Ayo Makinwa , even Seyi Olofinjana.


Ooooooo! Experience is no longer at play ba? See something.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 3:45pm On Jun 03, 2017
TheGoodJoe:


It took Iheanacho to score the decider against Crystal Palace before people agreed he deserved a Super Eagles call-up. What you are pointing out even goes on to coaches. Some coaches just watch around and look for starting eleven players in clubs and old list. Then call these players regulars. Very few have the capability of rolling their sleeves and unearthing gems.

Look at Jardim's work at Monaco or Ranieri with Ngolo Kante, Mahrez and Ndidi. Now clubs are rushing for Sidibe, Bernado Silva, Mendy, Lemar and Mbappe. However, these players were there before this season.

Most people analyse football with that same static spectacle.

Again you use club examples for national team selection.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 3:46pm On Jun 03, 2017
Humility017:

if rohr was a Nigerian... I think it would have been nepotism
#LOL
On this Osimhen issue the preferred approach is to just watch for now. A raft of guys playing for championship sides in England na im dem prefer. No wahala with that. But Osimhen has questions on his head. How can those questions be answered if he's not given an opportunity to answer them. You set exam. You lock the key to the exam Hall preventing a student from taking the exam. How then can the student prove himself?

Osimhen =fingers crossed for now.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 3:47pm On Jun 03, 2017
forgiveness:


Ooooooo! Experience is no longer at play ba? See something.
Wait na with your clear eye you take mention Martins and Taiwo?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by maidaboi(m): 3:47pm On Jun 03, 2017
forgiveness:

Hmmmmm! I see.
you better see LOL
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Humility017(m): 3:48pm On Jun 03, 2017
TheGoodJoe:


It took Iheanacho to score the decider against Crystal Palace before people agreed he deserved a Super Eagles call-up. What you are pointing out even goes on to coaches. Some coaches just watch around and look for starting eleven players in clubs and old list. Then call these players regulars. Very few have the capability of rolling their sleeves and unearthing gems.

Look at Jardim's work at Monaco or Ranieri with Ngolo Kante, Mahrez and Ndidi. Now clubs are rushing for Sidibe, Bernado Silva, Mendy, Lemar and Mbappe. However, these players were there before this season.

Most people analyse football with that same static spectacle.

well said....
I think that is more common wit African coaches
I read...Babagida chiding rohr for inviting John Ogu only on the foolish reason...
the he is far away in Isreal unlike the rest players we don't get to watch him play weekly.
and tomorrow these same man will be fighting and jostling for the SE coaching job and many will cry for him to be given on the mere reason that he is an ex international and an indigenous coach...
same man that don't get to watch an Isreali league and don't know...why they employ scouts and make use of tapes....

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by AIG07: 3:50pm On Jun 03, 2017
Icon4s:


We for also invite Mutiu Adepoju, Ayo Makinwa , even Seyi Olofinjana.
*laughing* you no go kill person Baba.

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