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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by PietroRico(m): 11:02am On Jun 11, 2017 |
Fabinho rumours getting really strong |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Diademk07: 11:08am On Jun 11, 2017 |
dopeJemi: Lmao. You mean by having Pogba constantly dropping deep beside him to have the ball is what constitute build up play in your opinion? The real fact is Herrera has been more or less like Caseimiro for us in the DM role and Casemiro is still the better player out of the two. You can bury your head in the sand all day, that doesn't change the truth! |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Diademk07: 11:16am On Jun 11, 2017 |
Diademk07: There's also Badelj but one of his major weakness is his defensive play which is still a major suspect in his game, apart from being a bit sluggish also. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by dopeJemi: 11:16am On Jun 11, 2017 |
Diademk07: Leicester Southampton(final) Bournemouth Watford. from the back of my head, these are games where his build up play led to goals your definition of build up play does not concern me 3 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Diademk07: 11:24am On Jun 11, 2017 |
dopeJemi: Lmao! Contributing to goals is now build up play? Like Caseimiro doesn't do that? Abegi! You probably didn't watch Carrick play.. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chrisley024(m): 11:35am On Jun 11, 2017 |
Another Herrera argument ![]() |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Diademk07: 11:37am On Jun 11, 2017 |
chrisley024: That's your problem, not mine! |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by dopeJemi: 11:37am On Jun 11, 2017 |
Diademk07: "these are games where his build up play led to goals" comprehension problem? in your definition, does build up play involve passing the ball sideways and backwards? if I may ask, what or where are you building up play to? the stance or the dressing room? 3 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chrisley024(m): 11:39am On Jun 11, 2017 |
CMF, RWF and CF. I might suggest Mahrez for the RW while I don't even know for the CM and CF positions. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by dopeJemi: 11:43am On Jun 11, 2017 |
chrisley024: morata's deal might be announced this week, read he is flying to Manchester tomorrow he has removed real Madrid from his twitter acc and followed Herrera, pogba and David Beckham on instagram |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Diademk07: 11:44am On Jun 11, 2017 |
dopeJemi: Keeping the ball flowing from the back to the midfield as quick as possible (zippy zappy). Not having your no 8 to constantly drop deep before your DM can make a decision because there's aways the option of switching the play to the wings if the passing lines through the middle are blocked.. So, what are you saying? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by dopeJemi: 11:50am On Jun 11, 2017 |
Diademk07: Herrera broke up play, passed to mata, mata passed to mkhitaryan, mkhitaryan passed to martial, martial passed to mata, mata scored and flung his boot to the sky who started the build up play? in those games I mentioned, I can't remember our number 8 dropping deep to collect any pass from our DM in the build up to the goals scored, are you saying if pogba is the closest man Herrera can build up play with he should rather pass the ball to de bruyne at the etihad stadium because he doesn't want you to think he passes to only pogba 5 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Diademk07: 12:00pm On Jun 11, 2017 |
dopeJemi: The point is I hardly see Herrera pass through the lines except some few times he sees our forward running through the opposition defence like Mkhitaaryan goal vs Spurs and that still aint buildup play. He doesn't have the ability to even switch play. One thing that even annoys me more is when he would take the ball and runs forward only to make his customary sideway pass. I would be like, why didn't he just make his signatory sideway pass as quickly as possible instead of going on a useless run and wasting our chance to counter. If you've watched Carrick's game enough, you would know there is a vast difference between how both play. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by dopeJemi: 12:05pm On Jun 11, 2017 |
Diademk07: alright, I have completed my mission |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chrisley024(m): 12:11pm On Jun 11, 2017 |
Diademk07:Lol. How can Herrera's issue be my problem when he's making it in his football career while you're here hating and dropping your epistles. A player of no good according to you with 5 MotM performances and you've never seen any good of his performance in any game. You'd rather ignore it or claim the opponent's midfield was poor. Even when our attack were missing chances you were here downgrading Herrera and praising Kante as if Kante is a CF. 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Diademk07: 12:16pm On Jun 11, 2017 |
chrisley024: Tell me what midfield did Herrera improve? Pogba came and improved our midfield even though he can't control the midfield for shite but his creativity was a refreshment. Kante came and improved their midfield by adding the intensity/energy needed in Chelsea sluggish midfield of Matic and Fabregas but what has Herrera done? Still look lost without Pogba babysitting him. Abeg. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by AdisaOwala: 12:17pm On Jun 11, 2017 |
Diademk07: Was Makelele an excellent DM in your opinion?? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by sinizia: 12:19pm On Jun 11, 2017 |
dopeJemi: If you check history of many clubs, top clubs inclusive, you'll see that stories of "the one that got away" are replete in all of them. Chelshit had it in KDB and Lukaku though they're about to buy him back. United had it in Pogba (bought back) and Pique. Madrid had it in Carvajal (bought back) Barcelona had it in Thiago. Etc. The list is endless. Point is, you can't keep everyone happy. Those on the bench will be unhappy and will leave and once they blow up, they become "the one that got away". Nobody is perfect and NO coach can keep everyone happy. Zidane just won UCL and La Liga but you have quality players like Rodriguez and Morata feeling sad. Even Isco was among before taking his chances. Next season it's either he's benched or Bale is benched before he can play. So we've to get used to it and not use coz of it to stop us getting quality players in all positions. When you have Morata and Rodriguez on your bench, that's when you know you can compete at all fronts with a strong bench. We need everyone to be on form, those that will "get away" will get away, there's nothing we can do about it. 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by sinizia: 12:24pm On Jun 11, 2017 |
dopeJemi: No coach can make everyone happy. One person must be benched. Varane was unhappy when Pepe and Ramos were preferred over him, he wanted reassurance and could've left if not for Zidane and probably the fact we're still struggling. Now this season he's taken over from Pepe and Pepe being unhappy along with fact that he's offered just a year contract, left. There is nothing Mourinho can do about it. If he plays 3 of them he might end up destabilising the whole squad. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ChristineC: 12:25pm On Jun 11, 2017 |
AdisaOwala: 1 Like
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 12:33pm On Jun 11, 2017 |
Diademk07:Not all DM's must have the passing range of Carrick or have the eye for cut through passes or be generally sleek on the eye, ability to screen the defense while being averagely good in possession is very okay for a DM, on the one hand you'll always have the Carrick's, Busi, Motta and on the other hand, there's Casemiro, Mascherano in his Liverpool days, Wanyama etc...It's down to a coaches preference. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Diademk07: 12:36pm On Jun 11, 2017 |
AdisaOwala: Just like Casemiro, Makelele had the luxury of excellent playmakers as well and he's a better DM than Caseimiro who in turns is better than Herrera. So what are we saying? Without such luxury at Chelsea, we all saw how Chelsea looked in Europe cup even when Makelele was still at his best. Moreover, I doubt if that Madrid midfield would dominate a well oiled midfield such as the Barca midfield in their prime. That Barca midfield had total control from the back to the attacking third unlike Madrid. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chrisley024(m): 12:40pm On Jun 11, 2017 |
Diademk07:It's far more than a midfielder or 2-man MF. Chelsea front 3 can keep the ball and dribble better than ours not to mention the energetic input of the wingbacks. Conte used a system that favored the players he has. Wasn't Kante there at the beginning of the season when they were struggling and Ozil was turning him like amala at the Emirates? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by codedguy1(m): 12:40pm On Jun 11, 2017 |
It seems in our midfield, pogba never passes to Herrera.! And if pogba and Herrera are in our midfield, is it not just logical that there would be passes between them during the cause of the game.when mourinho plays Herrera as a DM and pogba as a CMF, pogba would most likely be Herrera's major outlet when he gets the ball or am I missing something here? And saying that its only when pogba is on the field that makes Herrera look good is rather bellitling the contributions of the other players around him. I will not even mention Herrera's contributions because that the bone of contention. @ Diademk07 you need to cut Herrera some slack. ![]() |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Diademk07: 12:49pm On Jun 11, 2017 |
patrickmuf: While Liverpool had Macherano, they also had Alonso and Gerard (although he wasn't great in the central midfield but he gave them some form of control in the attacking third), Spurs have Eriksen who's more like a little David Silva in the midfield although he's not as good) But in our case, we have no playmaakers! |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 12:53pm On Jun 11, 2017 |
Diademk07:Pogba is a winger right? Herrera is a striker abi? Get those lads playing with a proper DM and watch them flourish... 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Diademk07: 12:55pm On Jun 11, 2017 |
chrisley024: At the start, Kante was being deployed as a holding midfielder which was never his best position. In the role, he couldn't be at his best nor offer the needed intensity into Chelsea midfield, hence the whole poor play. It's a good thing that Conte realised that soon enough. And the only wingback that added intensity on the wing was Moses. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Leyqute(m): 12:58pm On Jun 11, 2017 |
England wins U-20 World Cup after a 51-year wait. It just guts me that Rashford wasn't allow to participate in the U-20 World Cup. England would've won more convincingly and he'd have gotten a gold medal as well. Bleep Southgate. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Diademk07: 12:59pm On Jun 11, 2017 |
patrickmuf: They aint playmakers! Have you seen Pogba ever give us control in the midfield. His creativity and flairs are welcome to our boring midfield but he can't dictate the play for shite. He's more of a Yaya/Gerard kind of player. While Herrera is just... Well, he's Herrera. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Diademk07: 1:04pm On Jun 11, 2017 |
codedguy1: No one is saying Herrera shouldn't pass to Pogba. But it shouldn't be about Pogba dropping deep with him to collect the ball. He should be able to advance the play by making a vertical pass, even if it's just a short one. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 1:09pm On Jun 11, 2017 |
Diademk07:Busi - Xavi - Inieta triumvirate exchanged more passes than pleasantries but for you, Herrera shouldn't pass the ball to Pogba as much as he does...You just can't see anything good in Herrera's game, it's just how it is...Pointless engaging in this discuss |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Diademk07: 1:13pm On Jun 11, 2017 |
patrickmuf: Lmao. So, you mean by advancing the play through the middle, Pogba wouldn't get the ball as a result? Should Pogba have to drop deep with him before he can get the ball from him? |
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