Mickael2:


Ok so we will play a formation that suits Ighalo. We will also play a formation that suits Iheanacho, we will also play a formation that brings the best out of Iwobi and all three players favour different formations from the one the coach wants, how many formations will we now be playing? 5? You think football is like that?

AIG07:
Hmmmm...
Chai...
*The Arch Guardians of Experience have taken over this thread*

I salute you o Sir Kog45. You mean se you follow Naija's first golden generation (the mid 70s-mid80s) team. Daju daju you belong to top quarters of this great house.

Most of the names you put up there na from my Pop man and Austin Milado's song I heard them.

But on a more serious note, I think the NFF should create, have and run documentaries of Nigeria football since inception. Put them on youtubes, play them on NTA sports channels(instead of all this olympic reshow those one de show) and other stations. This will help us alot. Tell us where we were coming from, the huge sacrifice some have made to reach where we are and lots more.

TheGoodJoe:


You are the one who is confusing your self. I said Kelechi is more lethal in the box than Mbappe. Mbappe has other qualities he uses to surpass Iheanacho.

Also I said, judge Iheanacho after he gets his run of games. I wonder why simple things like you is so hard to comprehend. It is too basic.

How that equates to Iheanacho better than Mbappe is baffling. Judge after Nacho gets his run.

do4luv14:
And sir THESIPERNERD returns hmmmm

TheGoodJoe:



You are the one telling tales by moonlight. You are totally wrong when you said Kelechi is useless as a lone striker. There are games he played very well as a lone striker. If that is your definition of useless, then you need to recheck the meaning of the word.

goldfish80:

You dare me to put out your post which you rated Iheanacho ahead of Mbappe after the Manchester City vs Monaco first leg champions league tie?

goldfish80:

If we are to analyse some of those games strictly on his game outside the 6 yard box, we will find some inhibitions and hiccups.
Especially his hold up play, and playing with his back to goal. Which is a key ingredient in the locker of a typical lone forward.

goldfish80:

I don't know your football background. But I will be surprised if you played organised football and still come up with some of these opinions you push out.

Kelechi played close to 70 minutes of a game and all you could muster to defend his poor output was about 3 misplaced passes which didn't get to him from midfield.

I never knew players were judged by the number passes which didn't get to them.

Let me explain this to you again. South Africa had their defence well organised. Their defence was set up high up and pitch which translated to an offside trap strategy. Balls over the top from midfield will look to have bypassed the defence which will mislead a spectator into thinking the ball was over hit.

The defence was so set up like that to deceive midfielders to hit those type of passes,which wouldn't come through anyway.
It is a dangerous strategy but if it works to perfection, what you saw last Saturday was about the result you will get.

This is the technical breakdown of what went down against Bafana.

TheGoodJoe:


You said useless as a lone striker. You are wrong there. Simple as that.

TheGoodJoe:


Another story. You are the one talking of the South African defence set high up and using an offside trap strategy. Iheanacho beat the strategy repeatedly but the final balls were poor/atrocious.

So in that situation, bringing in a big striker will do nothing unless you change strategy.

I repeat, an attacking change in that scenario was the wrong call. South Africa was there for the taking. If Mikel gave those passes, we would have slaughtered South Africa in that first half. Not bring a target man.

goldfish80:

It's obvious you never played organised football. Not strange my explanations were lost on you. Either that, or you're just being willfully dense.

Icon4s:


@ your first paragraph. That's why I said I can only consider Odegbami and Chukwu among Nigeria's top 10 best.

I know Felix Owolabi(aka Owoblow) Wella. Growing up way back some of us used to take his identity on the field of play. Particularly wingers.

Adokiye was good as a winger but I still rate Emmanuel Amuneke ahead of him.

Amuneke that was so lethal that his every move was electrical and would always create panic in the opposing defense. Created and scored lots of important goals for Nigeria even with his short stink in the national team owing to injuries. To play for Barcelona FC no be beans o.

He and Finidi were rated among the best Wingers in the world then (though no official ratings)

Talking about WC slots. Even if there was only one slot available for Africa in that 1994 we would have taken it. Gba bee.

Muda Lawal was a midfielder then right? Can't remember. But if he was, compare him with the likes of Oliseh and Okocha.

The 94 team erased the numerous heart aches we had in the 1980s.

O I remember one clip I saw of the qualifiers for the 1978 WC. Tunisia Vs Nigerian. A Tunisian player called 'Hagger'. We lost that game either 3-0 or 3-1 after losing the first leg 0-1 in Nigeria.

do4luv14:



don't get me wrong man, let me do a little justice too ma reason,

starting from the keeper, we need a goalie who commands and organize his line , as well call the to order wen stray, ENYEAMA

we have a standing defence with youngsters coming up,

a good front 4, NDIDI, " his position for club"

a combative CM to take command of milfield and to install calm MIKEL,

an ATM who links up with the striker, as well ceed the striker, IWOBI & ETEBO

flying wingers V.MOSES, A.MOSES, A.MUSA,etc to be tormenting, sending crosses, as well contributing goals,

then IGHALO, in front. You will see magic,
4-4-1-1, or 4-3-3, or 4-4-2

TheSuperNerd:
See this guy.....

Na now you dey know say Elder Sir Kog45 na Grand Baba.... looollll

Me I don sabi am tey tey naa.... I be wan run commot sef.... Chief Icon4s dey den you come add Elder Sir Kog45 and Elder Sir Enomakos.... nna eh..... abeg... no be our fault say dem born us when dem us o jare..... don't worry, we will get there....

I still dey find person wey I go form elder for I never see even one.... it's hopeless....




Meanwhile @bolded.... There are a couple of channels on youtube that show Nigerian football history of the 60s, 70s and 80s.... just do the search... I think one of then is called by something like, "Nigerian Football History" or "Naija Legends".... just do the search... you will see them on YouTube. Rich, detailed videos.

TheGoodJoe:


You are talking story. I have made my point clear as swimming pool water. In a high line and with our striker repeatedly beating the Offside trap, how can you in that situation call for a target man.

Explain because you played organized football.

Kog45:
Yes truly we have a great squad in 1994 but that doesn't guaranteed our qualification coz it almost slip away in cote d voire where we lost by 2 goals to 1,this match cost Siasia his starting line up in Eagles when he refused to give a cleared pass to Yekini and brought an end to Reuben Agboola career with eagles.

Due to this loss we needed to wait till last match against Algeria which ended 1 goal apiece before our qualification was guaranteed whereas Cameroon already booked d ticket.

In other words not all good team make it to d world cup,a slip in a match can be an obstacle for qualification.Remember how France lost to Bulgaria prior to US 94,just 5 mins to d end of d match.

Icon4 good to share old memories with u.

AIG07:
you still don't get it.

1980 no be hear o o o... That is to say no present member of the SEs has been born since d man don de watch SEs(known den as the Green Eagles) play.

I now understand their (Sir. Icon4s, Enomakos, Kog45) conservative approach to all debates here-they'll always rank Experience ahead of training drills cos Oju won ti rii...*smiles*

goldfish80:

One of those said passes had khune out sprinting Kelechi to the ball, he was caught offside in one, and the other 2, the ball couldn't get to him.

Those 2 "misplaced" passes have become the highlight of Kelechi's 70 minutes appearance?

You have gained cyber fame for defending the indefensible, but at least on this one, do your self a favour and admit Kelechi had a poor game. The South African coach said so, Rohr have admitted as much and Kelechi himself have raised his hands and admit he was below par.

forgiveness:

Commot Etebor put Abdul Ajagun for the ATM role. Chikena.

jerryclinton:
It still baffles me how Alloy Agu remains our goalkeeper trainer. He himself and Ike Shorumnu were not very good keepers you can easily recall their exploits when they played for super eagles. To me they were average and at times fringe keepers. Why is Peter Rufai never our goalkeeper trainer?

TheGoodJoe:


You are just talking story. You said bring in target man from your organized football history in a high line. Show us how especially now you agree the balls were coming.

Icon4s:


I wasn't disappointed when I checked the moniker.

Humility017:


then...if you know Ramos too do have bad days...then awaziem shouldn't be left out...
the dude too had a bad day.
omeruo playing in that match won't have prevented the SA from winning the eagles that day...
someone like Mikel and V.Moses presence would have made the difference not playing omeruo

goldfish80:
R
2 balls where the balls coming?

If the midfield had someone to aim at, they would have played the ball into the the big striker who will flick the balls to unrushing midfielders and wide men to the gaps left by the offside trap.

I saw them launch countless balls up to Kelechi which the South Africans didn't have problems dealing with. Kelechi never won a single ariel ball in the game. The CBs didn't even have to jump too high to deal with those balls.

goldfish80:
R
2 balls where the balls coming?

If the midfield had someone to aim at, they would have played the ball into the the big striker who will flick the balls to unrushing midfielders and wide men to the gaps left by the offside trap.

I saw them launch countless balls up to Kelechi which the South Africans didn't have problems dealing with. Kelechi never won a single ariel ball in the game. The CBs didn't even have to jump too high to deal with those balls.

Humility017:

what's nacho business if the cocky coach is unable to get replacement?
is nacho now city's scout or club director?
these coach is seriously looking for who to tie down and waste his talent...

TheSuperNerd:
From three balls in one of your posts it has reduced to two balls ba??

Sir Goldfish80.... You are really amazing when you try to cook up some fallacies just to drive home a point about Nacho being very useless as a no.9.

Anyone who watched that first half with a keen unbiased mind would easily count up to four balls that were over hit all the time after Nacho had opened up and subtly evaded his marker.


I am the one person on this thread who have always described Nacho in full in terms of his playing positions and his best playing position.

We both agree that Nacho is far more and most effective and super influential in games as a no.10 (Dynamically roaming AMF) or a no.8 (SS)... But As a no.9 it is absolutely fallacious to term Nacho "Useless".

He is good as a no.9 and has shown that already BUT is far better and far more effective as a no.10 or no.8... Chikena. That is the true analysis.

Your choice of words when it comes to Nacho have always been noted from time immemorial on this thread. So I am not surprised.

TheSuperNerd:
From three balls in one of your posts it has reduced to two balls ba??

Sir Goldfish80.... You are really amazing when you try to cook up some fallacies just to drive home a point about Nacho being very useless as a no.9.

Anyone who watched that first half with a keen unbiased mind would easily count up to four balls that were over hit all the time after Nacho had opened up and subtly evaded his marker.


I am the one person on this thread who have always described Nacho in full in terms of his playing positions and his best playing position.

We both agree that Nacho is far more and most effective and super influential in games as a no.10 (Dynamically roaming AMF) or a no.8 (SS)... But As a no.9 it is absolutely fallacious to term Nacho "Useless".

He is good as a no.9 and has shown that already BUT is far better and far more effective as a no.10 or no.8... Chikena. That is the true analysis.

Your choice of words when it comes to Nacho have always been noted from time immemorial on this thread. So I am not surprised.