TheGoodJoe:


I can start listing Tevez, Rooney, Immobile, Forlan etc. I listed those ones to show that it is not about size but movement and skill. Most of them play comfortable in different forward roles. Today you can see Osimhen can play on the wings and forward, Same with Nacho. However a player like Bony is mostly restricted to playing as a forward. We can not imagine playing Alan Shearer or Crouch on the wings. Same goes to Andy Carroll or Benteke.

However, Firminho is almost flawless moving into different forward roles.

By the way, did you not see Suarez in that list?

Humility017:

I tell you....NFF better act fast now
better to have someone willing to play for us than to start running after those English groom lads.

not willing to play for us.
let's forget Tammy and co for the now and go for that lad...

BascoVanVeli:


Troy Deeney and Victor Anichebe played on the wing this season? How does that fit in ur argument?

Pls wat skill have u seen Suarez do abeg?

BascoVanVeli:


Troy Deeney and Victor Anichebe played on the wing this season? How does that fit in ur argument?

Pls wat skill have u seen Suarez do abeg?

junnyjake:



Let them sit back and dawdle about, when we lose him to Belgium their eyes go clear. Na we the fans go de cry.


I agree with you pertaining those English boys. They should be left to make their choice, if they turn up for us fine, there won't be question as to where their commitment lies.

No be only England we get players.

TheGoodJoe:


A coach works with the best at his disposal. Playing them on the wings mean the coach want them to play a particular way. If he has better quality at his disposal like Neymar or Suarez, he will prefer them over Anichebe or Deeney.

Keep in mind speed, skills and mobility.

TheGoodJoe:


Ha. Suarez skill? He is amazing. His close dribbles are superb. A good example was the one he pulled off in the game Manchester City beat Barcelona last season.

Luis Suárez ● Amazing Skills Show ● Liverpool F.C. 2011-14


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92P232znbrg

BascoVanVeli:


He ican dribble but when I hear skill I'm thinking Zaha or Neymar

BascoVanVeli:


That is why the people u mentioned were played there.

Mickael2:

if you call Sadiq Umar's name ever again we go get issues

Humility017:

the problem we have in these country are folks who knew nothing abt football, don't have love fr the country, no administrative acumen etc are the ones running football affairs
I tell you the truth...don't be surprised the NFF probably don't even have a scout

TheGoodJoe:


I can start listing Tevez, Rooney, Immobile, Forlan etc. I listed those ones to show that it is not about size but movement and skill. Most of them play comfortable in different forward roles. Today you can see Osimhen can play on the wings and forward, Same with Nacho. However a player like Bony is mostly restricted to playing as a forward. We can not imagine playing Alan Shearer or Crouch on the wings. Same goes to Andy Carroll or Benteke.

However, Firminho is almost flawless moving into different forward roles.

By the way, did you not see Suarez in that list?

goldfish80:

This is something out just don't get. All those guys you listed never played or plays up top in a lone striker role. I stand to be corrected!

Rooney partnered Tevez, Berbatov, Welbeck to name a few.

Suarez at Liverpool never played up to alone. He had a certain Sturidge. Now in Barcelona, he regularly switch positions with Messi and Neymar in a fluid front 3 while for his national team level, he had Forlan and Cavani for company.

Diego Forlan at Athletico played up top with a certain Sergio Aguero.

I go further to list Greizman another small forward I like. With Athletico, he had a fruitful season in partnership with Torres. At Real Sociedad,he played ip top with Carlos Vela.

Now less juxtapose this with these big strikers who played alone up front for their various teams.

Drogba >>> Chelsea
Ibrahimovic >>>> Sweden, Inter Milan, Man Utd
Cavani >>>Napoli, Psg last season.
Diego Costa >>> Chelsea, Athletico
Benteke >>>Aston Villa
Lukaku >>>> Everton
Belloti >>Torino
Manzukic >>Bayern Munich and Croatia

I crafted these examples attached with names and teams so you get the point that big men are suited for the lone striker system while smaller forwards are usually deployed in pairs for better efficiency.

Sunderland threatened to save themselves from relegation whenever Anichebe was fit to pair Defoe in attack.

I hope this put a stop to your propaganda to have Kelechi start as a lone forward in a 4-2-3-1 formation when he doesn't have in his locker the requisite skills for hold up play and aerial dominance.

goldfish80:

This is something out just don't get. All those guys you listed never played or plays up top in a lone striker role. I stand to be corrected!

Rooney partnered Tevez, Berbatov, Welbeck to name a few.

Suarez at Ajax/ LiverpoolFC never played up to alone. At Ajax he paired up with Klass Hunterlar while at Liverpool he had a certain Sturidge/Sterling for company. Now in Barcelona, he regularly switch positions with Messi and Neymar in a fluid front 3 while for his national team level, he had Forlan and Cavani for company.

Diego Forlan at Athletico played up top with a certain Sergio Aguero.

I go further to list Greizman another small forward I like. With Athletico, he had a fruitful season in partnership with Torres. At Real Sociedad,he played ip top with Carlos Vela.

Now less juxtapose this with these big strikers who played alone up front for their various teams.

Drogba >>> Chelsea
Ibrahimovic >>>> Sweden, Inter Milan, Man Utd
Cavani >>>Napoli, Psg last season.
Diego Costa >>> Chelsea, Athletico
Benteke >>>Aston Villa
Lukaku >>>> Everton
Belloti >>Torino
Manzukic >>Bayern Munich and Croatia

I crafted these examples attached with names and teams so you get the point that big men are suited for the lone striker system while smaller forwards are usually deployed in pairs for better efficiency.

Sunderland threatened to save themselves from relegation whenever Anichebe was fit to pair Defoe in attack.

I hope this put a stop to your propaganda to have Kelechi start as a lone forward in a 4-2-3-1 formation when he doesn't have in his locker the requisite skills for hold up play and aerial dominance.

Icon4s:


I also believe in Big Centre forwards.

But mention one now that you feel deserves a starting place that will put Iheanacho on the bench against Cameroon.

TheGoodJoe:


If you want a big rigid man, Kelechi is not your man but if you want fluidity I've you see in Suarez, Tevez and co, you need Kelechi. Simple.

Ibrahimovic played with a certain Cavani and Lavezzi. Berbatov had Rooney and Giggs and Ronaldo. You are just mixing up what you are arguing and dispelling nothing.

If you like a big rigid man, Good for you. I prefer a fluid player. I was against the Berbatov buy because Tevez was the bomb. I prefer Suarez over most of the big men you hail. It is your choice.

You want Adi and Anichebe. I want Nacho because he brings us more movement upfront. Just like the Algerian game. Your big hold up play would have failed woefully if Rohr wanted to implement that strategy but it worked flawlessly with Nacho.

Most modern day coaches prefer mobility. That is why Klopp preferred Firmino to Benteke. Nacho is more a Firmino than Benteke. Garrit.

Speed, Skill and mobility.

Drogba >>> Chelsea
Ibrahimovic >>>> Sweden, Inter Milan, Man Utd
Cavani >>>Napoli, Psg last season.
Diego Costa >>> Chelsea, Athletico
Benteke >>>Aston Villa
Lukaku >>>> Everton
Belloti >>Torino
Manzukic >>Bayern Munich and Croatia

TheGoodJoe:


Modern day strategy with a 4-2-3-1 formation, the team still plays as a unit. They attack as a unit and defend as a unit. That is why forwards with mobility and ability to play multiple roles are needed. That is why Iheanacho is a better fit than the Anichebe and co. you want. Also he is our deadliest in the box.

If you want puff puff striker, it means you want our football based on sitting deep and huffing the ball to tje puff puff striker.

goldfish80:


Those runs are meaningless if he can't hold the ball up against Cameroon.
If Kelechi must start, a strike partner should be deployed for him.

I honestly will prefer Etebo played as a false 9 in that game than Kelechi. Honestly speaking.

goldfish80:


You're just quoting and typing without reading what you're replying.

You can clearly see I did not mention Ibrahimovic at Psg.



Now take a glass of water. Chill, carefully read my post and reply.

TheGoodJoe:


Neymar can play as a striker or on the wings flawlessly. Bring some of the best wingers in the world and they can not compare to him on the wings. Put him in the ten role and he will outperform most creative midfielders. Put him upfront and his finishing instinct is killer.

A typical modern day forward. Speed, Skill and mobility.

goldfish80:

For me, before I consider starting Kelechi as the no 9 in that game, the likes of Success, Adi, Ideye, Anichebe must have been kidnapped by Evans.

It appears you guys haven't realised that Vic Moses will be missing in the double headers. As a matter of fact he will be MIA for Chelsea pre season.

His absence blunts our attack by a considerable percentage.

If we don't try a different combination up front. What you saw against SA will play out. Might even be worse because the Camerounians are better than bafana.

I wonder the miracle that will make Kelechi to hold the ball up better than he did against a smallish Bafana team to the gaint and more imposing Camerounians. If you can't handle ordinary algebra, is it laplace transforms and fourier series that you will solve?

goldfish80:

For me, before I consider starting Kelechi as the no 9 in that game, the likes of Success, Adi, Ideye, Anichebe must have been kidnapped by Evans.

It appears you guys haven't realised that Vic Moses will be missing in the double headers. As a matter of fact he will be MIA for Chelsea pre season.

His absence blunts our attack by a considerable percentage.

If we don't try a different combination up front. What you saw against SA will play out. Might even be worse because the Camerounians are better than bafana.

I wonder the miracle that will make Kelechi to hold the ball up better than he did against a smallish Bafana team to the gaint and more imposing Camerounians. If you can't handle ordinary algebra, is it laplace transforms and fourier series that you will solve?

BascoVanVeli:


When you talk like this I wonder o, hw many players like Neymar are there in the world? Better yet in Nigeria? We need a player that can help us win, u keep looking at speed, dribbles and skills u will miss a player with a pure winners mentality and a will to leave it all on the field.

goldfish80:


Those runs are meaningless if he can't hold the ball up against Cameroon.
If Kelechi must start, a strike partner should be deployed for him.

I honestly will prefer Etebo played as a false 9 in that game than Kelechi. Honestly speaking.

BascoVanVeli:


Pls if anyone should be dropped it should be Etebo. He missed our best chances and offered zero creativity against SA. I can only agree to drop Nacho if the coach wants to punish him for the stunt he pulled.

TheGoodJoe:


Movement. Movement, Mobility (off the ball runs). That is how we win and you left that out. Neymar is to explain the ideology. Not that all players must play that way. To beat Cameroon, we need to run riot on them and move the ball with brilliant passes. Then nail them with incisive through balls. What more can I say?

BascoVanVeli:


Pls if anyone should be dropped it should be Etebo. He missed our best chances and offered zero creativity against SA. I can only agree to drop Nacho if the coach wants to punish him for the stunt he pulled.

zicky:
I agree wih you, how can someone prefer Etebo to Iheanacho as false 9 if not bias, where did he watch Etebo deployed as a false 9

zicky:
sorry bruv, football is no mathematics not permutation. I'm still wondering why you guy refuse to see the problem with our SE against SA and keep calling out Iheanacho, the midfield was the problem, if you bring in a big 9 this
Same midfielder will still hit the ball beyond the reach of the big9.

goldfish80:


It's not bias, Karo Etebo can play multiple positions on the pitch. DM, CM, Wings and striking. Ask any Warri wolves fan if Etebor can play up top. Even for his Portuguese team last season, he played up front in some of their games I followed.

Funny how nobody want to hear about Karo Etebo. This same guy was seen as undroppable after his heroics against Algeria. BascoVanVeli don't even want him invited for Cameroun.

goldfish80:

Atleast the midfield will have something to aim those long balls at. I mean the one off time Kelechi held the ball up properly, he set up Etebor for the best chance of the game. Imagine if we had someone who was doing that all game.
You get the picture?

TheGoodJoe:


Not ready to start digging. In 2008-09 Season, Inter Milan had strikers like Julio Cruz, Adriano and Crespo. It was not like every game they set up with Zlatan up front. However, Mourinho's style stinks for me where you defend and lob the ball to tall strikers. That is not the strategy Rohr is going for.

To the best of my knowledge, Mandzukic at Bayern had Olic working with him and keep in mind Guardiola dropped Mandzukic also. If you like that style, that is you. Me, I am more into creative forwards. One of my best set was Rooney, CR7 and Tevez of 2007-08 season. Not all this puff puff football.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOocTEzTNzI