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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by BascoVanVeli(m): 9:11pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
TheGoodJoe: Troy Deeney and Victor Anichebe played on the wing this season? How does that fit in ur argument? Pls wat skill have u seen Suarez do abeg? |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by junnyjake(m): 9:22pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
Humility017: Let them sit back and dawdle about, when we lose him to Belgium their eyes go clear. Na we the fans go de cry. I agree with you pertaining those English boys. They should be left to make their choice, if they turn up for us fine, there won't be question as to where their commitment lies. No be only England we get players. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 9:23pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
BascoVanVeli: Ha. Suarez skill? He is amazing. His close dribbles are superb. A good example was the one he pulled off in the game Manchester City beat Barcelona last season. Luis Suárez ● Amazing Skills Show ● Liverpool F.C. 2011-14 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92P232znbrg |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 9:27pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
BascoVanVeli: A coach works with the best at his disposal. Playing them on the wings mean the coach want them to play a particular way. If he has better quality at his disposal like Neymar or Suarez, he will prefer them over Anichebe or Deeney. Keep in mind speed, skills and mobility. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Humility017(m): 9:30pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
junnyjake:the problem we have in these country are folks who knew nothing abt football, don't have love fr the country, no administrative acumen etc are the ones running football affairs I tell you the truth...don't be surprised the NFF probably don't even have a scout 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by BascoVanVeli(m): 9:48pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
TheGoodJoe: That is why the people u mentioned were played there. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by BascoVanVeli(m): 9:50pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
TheGoodJoe: He ican dribble but when I hear skill I'm thinking Zaha or Neymar |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 9:54pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
BascoVanVeli: You need skill to dribble. This is a better highlighted video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxYtMVa_N9w |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 9:56pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
BascoVanVeli: Neymar can play as a striker or on the wings flawlessly. Bring some of the best wingers in the world and they can not compare to him on the wings. Put him in the ten role and he will outperform most creative midfielders. Put him upfront and his finishing instinct is killer. A typical modern day forward. Speed, Skill and mobility. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by junnyjake(m): 10:05pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
Mickael2: Hehehe, why you come take him yarn personal now? Him been no know say you go vex. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by junnyjake(m): 10:21pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
Humility017: You can imagine that. Most of them are just there to fill up their bellies, nothing more. This reflects in the quality of decisions they make. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 11:05pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
TheGoodJoe:This is something out just don't get. All those guys you listed never played or plays up top in a lone striker role. I stand to be corrected! Rooney partnered Tevez, Berbatov, Welbeck to name a few. Suarez at Ajax/ LiverpoolFC never played up to alone. At Ajax he paired up with Klass Hunterlar while at Liverpool he had a certain Sturidge/Sterling for company. Now in Barcelona, he regularly switch positions with Messi and Neymar in a fluid front 3 while for his national team level, he had Forlan and Cavani for company. Diego Forlan at Athletico played up top with a certain Sergio Aguero. I go further to list Greizman another small forward I like. With Athletico, he had a fruitful season in partnership with Torres. At Real Sociedad,he played ip top with Carlos Vela. Now less juxtapose this with these big strikers who played alone up front for their various teams. Drogba >>> Chelsea Ibrahimovic >>>> Sweden, Inter Milan, Man Utd Cavani >>>Napoli, Psg last season. Diego Costa >>> Chelsea, Athletico Benteke >>>Aston Villa Lukaku >>>> Everton Belloti >>Torino Manzukic >>Bayern Munich and Croatia I crafted these examples attached with names and teams so you get the point that big men are suited for the lone striker system while smaller forwards are usually deployed in pairs for better efficiency. Sunderland threatened to save themselves from relegation whenever Anichebe was fit to pair Defoe in attack. I hope this put a stop to your propaganda to have Kelechi start as a lone forward in a 4-2-3-1 formation when he doesn't have in his locker the requisite skills for hold up play and aerial dominance. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:19pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
goldfish80: If you want a big rigid man, Kelechi is not your man but if you want fluidity I've you see in Suarez, Tevez and co, you need Kelechi. Simple. Ibrahimovic played with a certain Cavani and Lavezzi. Berbatov had Rooney and Giggs and Ronaldo. You are just mixing up what you are arguing and dispelling nothing. If you like a big rigid man, Good for you. I prefer a fluid player. I was against the Berbatov buy because Tevez was the bomb. I prefer Suarez over most of the big men you hail. It is your choice. You want Adi and Anichebe. I want Nacho because he brings us more movement upfront. Just like the Algerian game. Your big hold up play would have failed woefully if Rohr wanted to implement that strategy but it worked flawlessly with Nacho. Most modern day coaches prefer mobility. That is why Klopp preferred Firmino to Benteke. Nacho is more a Firmino than Benteke. Garrit. Speed, Skill and mobility. 1 Like
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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:23pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
goldfish80: Modern day strategy with a 4-2-3-1 formation, the team still plays as a unit. They attack as a unit and defend as a unit. That is why forwards with mobility and ability to play multiple roles are needed. That is why Iheanacho is a better fit than the Anichebe and co. you want. Also he is our deadliest in the box. If you want puff puff striker, it means you want our football based on sitting deep and huffing the ball to tje puff puff striker. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 11:25pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
Icon4s:For me, before I consider starting Kelechi as the no 9 in that game, the likes of Success, Adi, Ideye, Anichebe must have been kidnapped by Evans. It appears you guys haven't realised that Vic Moses will be missing in the double headers. As a matter of fact he will be MIA for Chelsea pre season. His absence blunts our attack by a considerable percentage. If we don't try a different combination up front. What you saw against SA will play out. Might even be worse because the Camerounians are better than bafana. I wonder the miracle that will make Kelechi to hold the ball up better than he did against a smallish Bafana team to the gaint and more imposing Camerounians. If you can't handle ordinary algebra, is it laplace transforms and fourier series that you will solve? 2 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 11:30pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
TheGoodJoe: You're just quoting and typing without reading what you're replying. You can clearly see I did not mention Ibrahimovic at Psg. Drogba >>> Chelsea Now take a glass of water. Chill, carefully read my post and reply. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 11:34pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
TheGoodJoe: Those runs are meaningless if he can't hold the ball up against Cameroon. If Kelechi must start, a strike partner should be deployed for him. I honestly will prefer Etebo played as a false 9 in that game than Kelechi. Honestly speaking. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:38pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
goldfish80: That is your opinion. Unfortunately, Rohr and his technical team will access the Camerounians and come up with a strategy to outwit them. I expect us to come at them with movement and brilliant passes and a big man does not seem the way to go. That will mean playing into the strength of the Camerounians. Quick movement and brilliant passes. We need the best players that can bring this to the team. 2 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:52pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
goldfish80: Not ready to start digging. In 2008-09 Season, Inter Milan had strikers like Julio Cruz, Adriano and Crespo. It was not like every game they set up with Zlatan up front. However, Mourinho's style stinks for me where you defend and lob the ball to tall strikers. That is not the strategy Rohr is going for. To the best of my knowledge, Mandzukic at Bayern had Olic working with him and keep in mind Guardiola dropped Mandzukic also. If you like that style, that is you. Me, I am more into creative forwards. One of my best set was Rooney, CR7 and Tevez of 2007-08 season. Not all this puff puff football. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOocTEzTNzI |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by BascoVanVeli(m): 11:54pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
TheGoodJoe: When you talk like this I wonder o, hw many players like Neymar are there in the world? Better yet in Nigeria? We need a player that can help us win, u keep looking at speed, dribbles and skills u will miss a player with a pure winners mentality and a will to leave it all on the field. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:54pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
goldfish80: I thought we are off that hold the ball up against Bafana Bafana. Our strategy worked well but the final ball failed. If Cameroon set up that way, we will kill them with Mikel in the side. Although I do not see them ever setting up like the South Africans. 2 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by zicky(m): 11:56pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
goldfish80:sorry bruv, football is no mathematics not permutation. I'm still wondering why you guy refuse to see the problem with our SE against SA and keep calling out Iheanacho, the midfield was the problem, if you bring in a big 9 this Same midfielder will still hit the ball beyond the reach of the big9. 2 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:57pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
BascoVanVeli: Movement. Movement, Mobility (off the ball runs). That is how we win and you left that out. Neymar is to explain the ideology. Not that all players must play that way. To beat Cameroon, we need to run riot on them and move the ball with brilliant passes. Then nail them with incisive through balls. What more can I say? |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by BascoVanVeli(m): 12:03am On Jul 03, 2017 |
goldfish80: Pls if anyone should be dropped it should be Etebo. He missed our best chances and offered zero creativity against SA. I can only agree to drop Nacho if the coach wants to punish him for the stunt he pulled. 2 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by zicky(m): 12:12am On Jul 03, 2017 |
BascoVanVeli:I agree wih you, how can someone prefer Etebo to Iheanacho as false 9 if not bias, where did he watch Etebo deployed as a false 9 8 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by BascoVanVeli(m): 12:24am On Jul 03, 2017 |
TheGoodJoe: We have always had big strong strikers who could move, Yekini was no statue. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 12:50am On Jul 03, 2017 |
BascoVanVeli:If we should be strict in dropping players using the SA game as the yard stick, we will have to drop everyone who wore the green white green shirt on the day and Gernot Rohr with his technical crew will be served their termination letters. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 1:07am On Jul 03, 2017 |
zicky: It's not bias, Karo Etebo can play multiple positions on the pitch. DM, CM, Wings and striking. Ask any Warri wolves fan if Etebor can play up top. Even for his Portuguese team last season, he played up front in some of their games I followed. Funny how nobody want to hear about Karo Etebo. This same guy was seen as undroppable after his heroics against Algeria. BascoVanVeli don't even want him invited for Cameroun. 2 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 1:09am On Jul 03, 2017 |
zicky:Atleast the midfield will have something to aim those long balls at. I mean the one off time Kelechi held the ball up properly, he set up Etebor for the best chance of the game. Imagine if we had someone who was doing that all game. You get the picture? |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by BascoVanVeli(m): 1:12am On Jul 03, 2017 |
goldfish80: Are u joking? When did I say don't invite him? Abeg correct yourself. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by zicky(m): 1:15am On Jul 03, 2017 |
goldfish80:Yea, we are both looking at the same picture but from different angles, iheanacho inability to hold up ball or get a shot at goal was because of the poor midfield, if you put another 9 there this same poor midfield will make this 9 look poor. I hope you grab 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 1:28am On Jul 03, 2017 |
TheGoodJoe: Throughout his career. Mourinho have always favoured playing a lone striker. At Inter Milan, he played Ibramovic up front with Balotelli but Balo will always miss games due to his problems. This made Zlatan play mostly alone up front. Even when Zlatan left, Mourinho played Eto on the wings and Milto as the lone forward. Ivica Olic mostly sat on the bench for Manzukic. When he played, he came in from the wings. I followed Bayern with keen interest at the time. Rewatch their champions league finals against Dortmund and see. |
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