chukzyfcbb:

Good day sir ,pls I need your expertise opinion.

Getting a dry land in Lagos in a fairly good area on the mainland and at a fair price is tough.
However, My P-man is considering a swamp land but I am strongly against it because of the cost of raising foundation.

The swamp land will cost a whole lot of money, and so I am scared of foundation cost

pls sir, what's the least price of constructing a raft foundation in a place like Lagos (mainland).
The knowledge of that will help him rethink his decision, hoping for your reply and others too thanks

I don't do Lagos as a matter of principle.

The folks that you want to reach out to are Hajj, Aventures, Skimanski, ArchitectB, etc

They and others will respond better to you.

For me personally, the only way that I'll deal with a swampy/watery land is if it offers direct ocean/river/lake access/view.

Good luck Sir.

chukzyfcbb:

Good day sir ,pls I need your expertise opinion.

Getting a dry land in Lagos in a fairly good area on the mainland and at a fair price is tough.
However, My P-man is considering a swamp land but I am strongly against it because of the cost of raising foundation.

The swamp land will cost a whole lot of money, and so I am scared of foundation cost

pls sir, what's the least price of constructing a raft foundation in a place like Lagos (mainland).
The knowledge of that will help him rethink his decision, hoping for your reply and others too thanks

Bros, direct your question to @brabus this one is too much for sir Egun,

EgunMogaji:


I don't do Lagos as a matter of principle.

The folks that you want to reach out to are Hajj, Aventures, Skimanski, ArchitectB, etc

They and others will respond better to you.

For me personally, the only way that I'll deal with a swampy/watery land is if it offers direct ocean/river/lake access/view.

Good luck Sir.

he he, touche!

thanks for the alternative

EgunMogaji:


What does your bricklayer/builder recommend?

The 7 is for the septic and the 5 for soakaway and we're a family of three not counting very occasional guests.

I would truly recommend that you engage locals with experiecne in your area.

Thank you sir.

mufutau55:


Many of us see it that way o. Except our society is not as easy as it's written. Reality, not theory ni o.

Hajji M.

Sir Hajj, pls help contribute to my already asked question

what's the least one can spend on raft foundation in Lagos mainland, at areas festac,satellite in general

just a ball park figure, dats all thanks a lot

chukzyfcbb:

Sir Hajj, pls help contribute to my already asked question

what's the least one can spend on raft foundation in Lagos mainland, at areas festac,satellite in general

just a ball park figure, dats all thanks a lot

4-5board Raft plus oversite concrete of a 5bedroom duplex on the average should range between 4.5 to 5m with the current market rate could be higher but definitely not lower

Oga Hajj and all our good people in this forum. Attached are pictures of the most common beautiful foreign made water collectors I've seen used in most homes.
My question is, Do we have locally manufactured ones that has good quality, durable, less expensive and serve same purposes. Remember I didn't say "fake". locally made here in Nija that can be used in attached bungalow with dark roof.
I am seriously in need of contacts in the east (owerri,Aba,Port Harcourt)etc.
Thanks everyone for your anticipated contribution.

chukzyfcbb:

Good day sir ,pls I need your expertise opinion.

Getting a dry land in Lagos in a fairly good area on the mainland and at a fair price is tough.
However, My P-man is considering a swamp land but I am strongly against it because of the cost of raising foundation.

The swamp land will cost a whole lot of money, and so I am scared of foundation cost

pls sir, what's the least price of constructing a raft foundation in a place like Lagos (mainland).
The knowledge of that will help him rethink his decision, hoping for your reply and others too thanks

what type of building do u want to build sir

jossy26:


4-5board Raft plus oversite concrete of a 5bedroom duplex on the average should range between 4.5 to 5m with the current market rate could be higher but definitely not lower

it will be around 6m to 6.5m,well it depends on what he intend to build.

tevanso:
what type of building do u want to build sir

a duplex

chukzyfcbb:

a duplex

how many bedroom duplex,the lesser the rooms downstairs the cheaper the amount

chukzyfcbb:

Good day sir ,pls I need your expertise opinion.

Getting a dry land in Lagos in a fairly good area on the mainland and at a fair price is tough.
However, My P-man is considering a swamp land but I am strongly against it because of the cost of raising foundation.

The swamp land will cost a whole lot of money, and so I am scared of foundation cost

pls sir, what's the least price of constructing a raft foundation in a place like Lagos (mainland).
The knowledge of that will help him rethink his decision, hoping for your reply and others too thanks

This topic has always been of interest to me and l will use this opportunity to express my opinion.

There are so many costs associated with building on a Swamp land, and l am talking from vast personal experience!

Let us start with "access" to your and itself: Due to the nature of the soil, articulated vehicles (20-30Ton Trucks, e.t.c) will definitely sink and get stuck in the murky ground when they come to deliver Iron, Granite, Sand and Cement. this will not only increase your cost, it will waste your time and other suppliers will simply refuse to deliver to your site or do it a few hundred metres off and you have to pay Mallam to re-locate the stuff to your compound.

Foundation: Depending on "how swampy" the swampy land really is (swamp pass swamp! My Piles were about 70ft deep, before it could sit on stable ground! ), and how elaborate your foundation foot-print is and how top-heavy your building will be, you could be talking not just using a raft foundation but using a Pile foundation.

Anything beyond a Bungalow on a 'serious swampy land', needs a Pile foundation.
That could mean a price range of between #8M - #12M (Pile) and #4M - #6M (Raft), +- 10%.
That amount itself is enough to finish the whole Carcass on a very dry land.

Wear and Tear: Houses built on Swampy land need a lot more maintenance over the years, if they are to maintain their good looks.
For example, cost of your Soakaway will be far higher compared to one located on a dry land.
The rate at which you will need to evacuate such will also be higher
Paint will peel-off quicker because of the high humidity around it and this itself is attributable to the high water table in that location.

Having said all the above, like @Egunmogaji has mentioned, if you get a swampy land in a posh location, overlooking a river or lake/ocean, the "scenery" will more than compensate for the cost.
You will breath fresher air, you will watch the Ducks criss-cross the Waterfront, you will hear the birds wake you up in the morning with their sonorous "jazz" songs, you will likely eat fresh fish right out of the river (and buy it cheaper too!), e.t.c

Thing is, not everyone can build in a riverine area due to the cost, you need very deep pockets.
If funds are limited, please take your time to look for upper ground areas outside mainland (you can still get cheap, red soil (upper ground) land at about #15M -#20M in some areas of Mainland, old houses you can demolish and rebuild); Places like Agege, Oke-Ira, Between Festac and Badagry areas, e.t.c can still offer cheap, red soil grounds.

There is even a salutatory catch-phrase in my area, for those who build solid houses on a swamp land - Olowo'nuura
Translated to mean something like 'Wealthy enough to build on Swamp'


My final suggestion: Let him not hurry but take his time to look for a dry land outside Mainland, even if he has to buy half a plot.
Building on Swamp land is a life long expense, it takes boldness and deep pockets to do so.

BTW: Land in places like Lekki/Ajah are not swamp. They are Sandy soil with just a little layer of brackish, wet soil on top.
Those areas are even cheaper to build on, compared to 'real Mangrove Swamp"' that you will encounter on the Mainland, in places like Unilag, Makoka, Iwaya, Bariga, up to Ketu, e.t.c.

Truthinlife:
Oga Hajj and all our good people in this forum. Attached are pictures of the most common beautiful foreign made water collectors I've seen used in most homes.
My question is, Do we have locally manufactured ones that has good quality, durable, less expensive and serve same purposes. Remember I didn't say "fake". locally made here in Nija that can be used in attached bungalow with dark roof.
I am seriously in need of contacts in the east (owerri,Aba,Port Harcourt)etc.
Thanks everyone for your anticipated contribution.

Sir, l was able to dig-out this picture of something similar l did in the distant past.

I used Plumbing pipes (thick 2" original pipes) to collect the rain water and channelled it into ground drainage.
All you need to do is to paint them the same color, as the roof and no one will even notice the difference.

This is just a very, very cheap 'alternative' compared to the usual stuff but you need a good plumber with eye for details and finishing, to do a good job of it.

And now this from the "Less Is More" folder.

Wood lintels. I'm pretty sure that a British guy was the governor of whatever state this house is in when it was built.

It still stands.

Daboomb:



This topic has always been of interest to me and l will use this opportunity to express my opinion.

There are so many costs associated with building on a Swamp land, and l am talking from vast personal experience!

Let us start with "access" to your and itself: Due to the nature of the soil, articulated vehicles (20-30Ton Trucks, e.t.c) will definitely sink and get stuck in the murky ground when they come to deliver Iron, Granite, Sand and Cement. this will not only increase your cost, it will waste your time and other suppliers will simply refuse to deliver to your site or do it a few hundred metres off and you have to pay Mallam to re-locate the stuff to your compound.

Foundation: Depending on "how swampy" the swampy land really is (swamp pass swamp! My Piles were about 70ft deep, before it could sit on stable ground! ), and how elaborate your foundation foot-print is and how top-heavy your building will be, you could be talking not just using a raft foundation but using a Pile foundation.

Anything beyond a Bungalow on a 'serious swampy land', needs a Pile foundation.
That could mean a price range of between #8M - #12M (Pile) and #4M - #6M (Raft), +- 10%.
That amount itself is enough to finish the whole Carcass on a very dry land.

Wear and Tear: Houses built on Swampy land need a lot more maintenance over the years, if they are to maintain their good looks.
For example, cost of your Soakaway will be far higher compared to one located on a dry land.
The rate at which you will need to evacuate such will also be higher
Paint will peel-off quicker because of the high humidity around it and this itself is attributable to the high water table in that location.

Having said all the above, like @Egunmogaji has mentioned, if you get a swampy land in a posh location, overlooking a river or lake/ocean, the "scenery" will more than compensate for the cost.
You will breath fresher air, you will watch the Ducks criss-cross the Waterfront, you will hear the birds wake you up in the morning with their sonorous "jazz" songs, you will likely eat fresh fish right out of the river (and buy it cheaper too!), e.t.c

Thing is, not everyone can build in a riverine area due to the cost, you need very deep pockets.
If funds are limited, please take your time to look for upper ground areas outside mainland (you can still get cheap, red soil (upper ground) land at about #15M -#20M in some areas of Mainland, old houses you can demolish and rebuild); Places like Agege, Oke-Ira, Between Festac and Badagry areas, e.t.c can still offer cheap, red soil grounds.

There is even a salutatory catch-phrase in my area, for those who build solid houses on a swamp land - Olowo'nuura
Translated to mean something like 'Wealthy enough to build on Swamp'


My final suggestion: Let him not hurry but take his time to look for a dry land outside Mainland, even if he has to buy half a plot.
Building on Swamp land is a life long expense, it takes boldness and deep pockets to do so.

BTW: Land in places like Lekki/Ajah are not swamp. They are Sandy soil with just a little layer of brackish, wet soil on top.
Those areas are even cheaper to build on, compared to 'real Mangrove Swamp"' that you will encounter on the Mainland, in places like Unilag, Makoka, Iwaya, Bariga, up to Ketu, e.t.c.

I just gbadun this explanation!!!

Daboomb:


Sir, l was able to dig-out this picture of something similar l did in the distant past.

I used Plumbing pipes (thick 2" original pipes) to collect the rain water and channelled it into ground drainage.
All you need to do is to paint them the same color, as the roof and no one will even notice the difference.

This is just a very, very cheap 'alternative' compared to the usual stuff but you need a good plumber with eye for details and finishing, to do a good job of it.

Good idea, I've seen couple houses with it. However, I am trying to know if we can get the same type and square shaped water collector ( like those foreign ones on the Picts) locally made and serve same purpose but inexpensive.

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Egun, you dey make me laugh.
Lets look at it in more detail, the house is probably bungalow and probably built from clay/breeze blocks or light blocks and roof work not heavy. I have used railway sleeper to create a beam for a chimney breast, note that its not load bearing as such because the chimney stack is still in place, I just broke off a bit to have a decorative log burner in place. Something like the below.

EgunMogaji:
And now this from the "Less Is More" folder.

Wood lintels. I'm pretty sure that a British guy was the governor of whatever state this house is in when it was built.

It still stands.

Daboomb:



This topic has always been of interest to me and l will use this opportunity to express my opinion.

There are so many costs associated with building on a Swamp land, and l am talking from vast personal experience!

Let us start with "access" to your and itself: Due to the nature of the soil, articulated vehicles (20-30Ton Trucks, e.t.c) will definitely sink and get stuck in the murky ground when they come to deliver Iron, Granite, Sand and Cement. this will not only increase your cost, it will waste your time and other suppliers will simply refuse to deliver to your site or do it a few hundred metres off and you have to pay Mallam to re-locate the stuff to your compound.

Foundation: Depending on "how swampy" the swampy land really is (swamp pass swamp! My Piles were about 70ft deep, before it could sit on stable ground! ), and how elaborate your foundation foot-print is and how top-heavy your building will be, you could be talking not just using a raft foundation but using a Pile foundation.

Anything beyond a Bungalow on a 'serious swampy land', needs a Pile foundation.
That could mean a price range of between #8M - #12M (Pile) and #4M - #6M (Raft), +- 10%.
That amount itself is enough to finish the whole Carcass on a very dry land.

Wear and Tear: Houses built on Swampy land need a lot more maintenance over the years, if they are to maintain their good looks.
For example, cost of your Soakaway will be far higher compared to one located on a dry land.
The rate at which you will need to evacuate such will also be higher
Paint will peel-off quicker because of the high humidity around it and this itself is attributable to the high water table in that location.

Having said all the above, like @Egunmogaji has mentioned, if you get a swampy land in a posh location, overlooking a river or lake/ocean, the "scenery" will more than compensate for the cost.
You will breath fresher air, you will watch the Ducks criss-cross the Waterfront, you will hear the birds wake you up in the morning with their sonorous "jazz" songs, you will likely eat fresh fish right out of the river (and buy it cheaper too!), e.t.c

Thing is, not everyone can build in a riverine area due to the cost, you need very deep pockets.
If funds are limited, please take your time to look for upper ground areas outside mainland (you can still get cheap, red soil (upper ground) land at about #15M -#20M in some areas of Mainland, old houses you can demolish and rebuild); Places like Agege, Oke-Ira, Between Festac and Badagry areas, e.t.c can still offer cheap, red soil grounds.

There is even a salutatory catch-phrase in my area, for those who build solid houses on a swamp land - Olowo'nuura
Translated to mean something like 'Wealthy enough to build on Swamp'


My final suggestion: Let him not hurry but take his time to look for a dry land outside Mainland, even if he has to buy half a plot.
Building on Swamp land is a life long expense, it takes boldness and deep pockets to do so.

BTW: Land in places like Lekki/Ajah are not swamp. They are Sandy soil with just a little layer of brackish, wet soil on top.
Those areas are even cheaper to build on, compared to 'real Mangrove Swamp"' that you will encounter on the Mainland, in places like Unilag, Makoka, Iwaya, Bariga, up to Ketu, e.t.c.

Haha at the birds singing and fish catching, i like your sarcasm.
Thanks a lot sir, you have really explained everything in detail. You said something which is very catchy.
That he rather goes for half a plot on a dry land, that is a very very good alternative never thought of. You have spoken well sir, I didn't even consider the maintenance problems (soakaway) and even possible flood problems to paint wearing off, that's eye opener.

Thanks once again!

I feel what you are saying see the one below, this is what I ended up using, I wanted exactly the same thing (locally made) because I felt if we can make pipes in Nigeria, why cant we make square shaped ones and associated fittings, in the end all I kept getting was made in China. Goto Wickes or any hardware shop in most developed countries, this is not a big deal at all. All the quotations i was getting, they were making it a big deal as if Na GOLD person wan put for house.

In hindsight, I feel if I search well in Orile, i am sure I can get locally made ones, just that it must be sturdy enough not to melt or change shape in really hot weather.

Truthinlife:

Good idea, I've seen couple houses with it. However, I am trying to know if we can get the same type and square shaped water collector ( like those foreign ones on the Picts) locally made and serve same purpose but inexpensive.

chukzyfcbb:


Haha at the birds singing and fish catching, i like your sarcasm.
Thanks a lot sir, you have really explained everything in detail. You said something which is very catchy.
That he rather goes for half a plot on a dry land, that is a very very good alternative never thought of. You have spoken well sir, I didn't even consider the maintenance problems (soakaway) and even possible flood problems to paint wearing off, that's eye opener.

Thanks once again!

My pleasure Sir.

But seriously, if the swamp land is close enough to a real swamp, you will hear birds singing at 5:30am in the morning, you will occasionally even take a trip to the river front and do some Angling with your kids. The silly frogs are not left out, with their throaty croaks!

I have seen Swamp 'swallow' a whole SOLID two storey building built on bad foundation and turned it to a Bungalow.

Maybe you should have a 'field trip' with him to those places l mentioned and a place just before Anthony Village, off the Oworonshoki Express Road, "Seeing, is Believing", as it is said.

Truthinlife:

Good idea, I've seen couple houses with it. However, I am trying to know if we can get the same type and square shaped water collector ( like those foreign ones on the Picts) locally made and serve same purpose but inexpensive.

If we can make circular pipes, we certainly can produce square Pipes but l have never seen the locally made version of this item.
My feeling is that the demand for this item was not there in the past and hence, the incentive to produce a cheaper, local version, was not there.

With everyone now doing Parapet and the idea of keeping your run-off water properly contained now catching-on, l am sure it is just a matter of time before we get the local version.

When l was given a quote of almost half a Million Naira, just to buy 'imported' rain-water run-off pipes, l was like "Wetin, is it supposed to cost past the amount spent on the roof itself"?
Just a few adjustments to the production mould and some company or somebody could be a Millionaire within a fraction of a second......better than kidnapping!

chukzyfcbb:

Good day sir ,pls I need your expertise opinion.

Getting a dry land in Lagos in a fairly good area on the mainland and at a fair price is tough.
However, My P-man is considering a swamp land but I am strongly against it because of the cost of raising foundation.

The swamp land will cost a whole lot of money, and so I am scared of foundation cost

pls sir, what's the least price of constructing a raft foundation in a place like Lagos (mainland).
The knowledge of that will help him rethink his decision, hoping for your reply and others too thanks

. A swamp land varies and another factor is the level of the land to that of existing road level. The amount you spend on building on a swamp terrain depends on what kind of structure you intend to put up and the decision of your engineer on what the over all height of your raft will be. I will want to assume you'll put up a duplex on that land if you acquire it and that means you should budget about N6M to take your foundation to german floor level if you do a raft of height 1.2m(4 boards).

chukzyfcbb:


Haha at the birds singing and fish catching, i like your sarcasm.
Thanks a lot sir, you have really explained everything in detail. You said something which is very catchy.
That he rather goes for half a plot on a dry land, that is a very very good alternative never thought of. You have spoken well sir, I didn't even consider the maintenance problems (soakaway) and even possible flood problems to paint wearing off, that's eye opener.

Thanks once again!

I'm glad you removed 'Ducks criss-crossing waterfront' ... I thought I was the only one that noticed that.

Na only peppersoup pot duck go dey criss-cross for Naija!

Daboomb:



If we can make circular pipes, we certainly can produce square Pipes but l have never seen the locally made version of this item.
My feeling is that the demand for this item was not there in the past and hence, the incentive to produce a cheaper, local version, was not there.

With everyone now doing Parapet and the idea of keeping your run-off water properly contained now catching-on, l am sure it is just a matter of time before we get the local version.

When l was given a quote of almost half a Million Naira, just to buy 'imported' rain-water run-off pipes, l was like "Wetin, is it supposed to cost past the amount spent on the roof itself"?
Just a few adjustments to the production mould and some company or somebody could be a Millionaire within a fraction of a second......better than kidnapping!

Danke!

Oga KolaShangOne, take note when you come to bid/quote for my roof job! This kuli-kuli rain collector will work just fine.

mavverick:
Egun, you dey make me laugh.
Lets look at it in more detail, the house is probably bungalow and probably built from clay/breeze blocks or light blocks and roof work not heavy. I have used railway sleeper to create a beam for a chimney breast, note that its not load bearing as such because the chimney stack is still in place, I just broke off a bit to have a decorative log burner in place. Something like the below.

Yeah, it's a bungalow.

jabolo:


Danke!

Oga KolaShangOne, take note when you come to bid/quote for my roof job! This kuli-kuli rain collector will work just fine.

No way! Kolashangone must refuse this temptation!

That kuli-kuli run-off collector is doing the job so damn good for the last six years that almost everyone in the vicinity has adopted the same thing.

KISS - keeping it Simple and Stupid!

But please, Big Men should stop using this type of Kuli-kuli system before the thing will start to cost "One Million Naira" to implement.
Leave it for poor Boy Scout like us.

Daboomb:

Sir, l was able to dig-out this picture of something similar l did in the distant past.

I used Plumbing pipes (thick 2" original pipes) to collect the rain water and channelled it into ground drainage.
All you need to do is to paint them the same color, as the roof and no one will even notice the difference.

This is just a very, very cheap 'alternative' compared to the usual stuff but you need a good plumber with eye for details and finishing, to do a good job of it.

Thanks for showing this... this is perfect. Wonder if this work well with parapets... we have to test it out o.

Hajji M.

jabolo:


Danke!

Oga KolaShangOne, take note when you come to bid/quote for my roof job! This kuli-kuli rain collector will work just fine.

lol @kulikuli

Daboomb:



No way! Kolashangone must refuse this temptation!

That kuli-kuli run-off collector is doing the job so damn good for the last six years that almost everyone in the vicinity has adopted the same thing.

KISS - keeping it Simple and Stupid!

But please, Big Men should stop using this type of Kuli-kuli system before the thing will start to cost "One Million Naira" to implement.
Leave it for poor Boy Scout like us.

good plumber is needed to get this done to avoid leakage..
nice one

twinskenny:


good plumber is needed to get this done to avoid leakage..
nice one

Thanks everybody,
I will go for this lovely "Kuli Kuli" type. Preferably white colors. Will send pictures as soon as they start work.
Thanks everyone for your contributions, I greatly appreciate them.

@Daboomb
Why are we omitting " Gari-Ijebu" from the Kuli-kuki system like in "Gari-Ijebu with Kuli-kuli" or else it's not completed o.

Hajji M.