@MikeCZA i don't know why you till try to have a intellectual discussion with the likes of Henry240, Ibwali and tdayof.

When Henry posted that defenceweb article a few days ago which sparked one of the biggest e wars this thread has seen, I attempted to discuss the contents of the article, and responded with a nice write-up.

Just as the sh1t kicked off someone quoted @Patches689 asking why he couldn't respond to Henry like i did, he mentioned that Henry never responds to factual write ups...................Im still waiting for Henry to respond to my post!!!!!

Secondly no reason to debate anything aircraft related with Tdayof, anybody who claims the Gripen can't fly inverted has absolutely 0 knowledge on the subject

Henry240:


Honest question.

I'm about to go grab food from my kitchen, do you think i'll require a "dedicated attack" helicopter escort?

Please reply.

I'm dead

iblawi:


I didn't know you now train gripen pilots in Cuba and Russia.

Nothing have changed from last year bro.

And Nigeria trains pilots in SA!!

MikeCZA:


Flight characteristic, narrow fusalage( presenting a smaller target to the enemy) etc maybe? But why isn't that design being taken up by aircraft designers from South Africa to China?

Last on the escort thing. There are Mi-24s in the DRC under the same MONUSCO mission in 2013 they straffed M23 rebels threatening Goma. But the rebels captured the city and the helicopter attacks were stopped.

Both the Rooivalks and Hinds are tasked with escorting UN resources in hot areas. The UN requested the Rooivalks at the prospect of a high tempo fight.

The Rooivalk is useless because rebel took over the city but Hinds are still useful in Nigeria, Libya, Pakistan, Afghanistan Syria, Iraq, etc. Terrorist took over many cities in those countries but hinds did the needful.

South Africa alway running from major confrontation from Central African Republic to Sudan then Burundi and now Congo.

iblawi:


Upgrade gripen C/D to E/F? And South Africa will use 9 pilots to fly 26 Gripens.

The funny part is that you still want to increase the numbers.

In case you missed the big announcement:

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/paris-south-african-air-force-boosts-gripen-availab-438456/

All 26 Gripen are now operational!!

iblawi:


I didn't know you now train gripen pilots in Cuba and Russia.

Nothing have changed from last year bro.

Now you are off-ramping into stup1dity. Stay on the highway at least so we can debate. Russia, Cuba and USA (starting soon)....is that not flight training to simply get wings? Basic flying? That never had anything to do with Gripen.

How many Hawk pilots converted to Gripen in 2014, 2015, 2016 and this year? Do you know?

So in conclusion, you are unable to provide a link to your statement. You publicly just made something up? Okay cool.

jakeporeshenko:



Wow this looks so dedicated by nature/design.

You said it right...

jln115:

And Nigeria trains pilots in SA!!

Basic training in South Africa, Nigeria, USA, UK, etc.

Unlike South Africa that train gripen pilots in Cuba and Russia.

Snyder1ZA:


I would also laugh if I'm the one defending a worthless junk helo that can't hover.

iblawi:


Upgrade gripen C/D to E/F? And South Africa will use 9 pilots to fly 26 Gripens.

The funny part is that you still want to increase the numbers.

Funnily you decide to deal with the analogy instead.

The numbers can increase overnight if operational requirements demand.

1. South Africa unlike during the 80s, 90s and early 2000s has one fighter Squadron.

2. Not all pilots qualified on the Gripen will be with that squadron until the end of their careers. Some will go on courses, deployed, with other squadrons etc.

3. If needed those pilots will be called up an given a refresher course and readied for deployment.

4. I am yet to see any air force in sub Saharan Africa able to deploy more than 5 fighters not lead in trainers. sad that is but only one air force is capable of such.

Can we go back to the inferior Mi-24 design again?

Democratic South Africa has never used cowboy foreign policies or chest beating or being the front man. But rather always preferred to deal with things behind doors in the shadows. Where's Riak Machar today?

iblawi:


Upgrade gripen C/D to E/F? And South Africa will use 9 pilots to fly 26 Gripens.

The funny part is that you still want to increase the numbers.

Who needs 9 or 12 or 26 pilots...? We can f#ck your airspace with just 1 Gripen.

iblawi:


Basic training in South Africa, Nigeria, USA, UK, etc.

Unlike South Africa that train gripen pilots in Cuba and Russia.

Basic you say?? so basic training on jet aircraft?? Pics related!

jln115:
@[s]factual write ups...................Im still waiting for Henry to respond to my post!!!!!

Secondly no reason to debate anything aircraft related with Tdayof, anybody who claims the Gripen can't fly inverted has absolutely 0 knowledge on the [/s]subject

Junk post.

How many times have we gone through them.

If you want to have an argument with me, go dig up my archives.

Every information you want, go straight there.

My position hasn't changed, go argue with my archives.

jln115:


In case you missed the big announcement:

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/paris-south-african-air-force-boosts-gripen-availab-438456/

All 26 Gripen are now operational!!

The Gripens were brought out of storage doesn't translate to 26+ pilots. don't get it twisted.

iblawi:


Basic training in South Africa, Nigeria, USA, UK, etc.

Unlike South Africa that train gripen pilots in Cuba and Russia.

We can train them even under the rock.... We have 4th generation fighters, you don't even have their dummy...I'm laughing in Igbo.

iblawi:


The Gripens were brought out of storage doesn't translate to 26+ pilots. don't get it twisted.

So how can an Aircraft be operational without a pilot?

Pics related:

And for the neutral parties....

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=48140:busy-times-for-the-rooivalk&catid=124:military-helicopters&Itemid=282


"2016 was the busiest year for the Rooivalk in terms of , with the three aircraft deployed to the United Nations mission in the Democratic Republic of Congo (Monusco) firing 1 200 70 mm rockets and 11 000 rounds of 20 mm ammunition. This compares to 55 70 mm rockets in 2013, when the aircraft were first deployed to the DRC. In total, from 2013 to 2015, the Rooivalks had flown 1 163.3 hours in the DRC and fired 199 70 mm rockets and 610 rounds of 20 mm ammunition.

An idea of how busy the aircraft were last year comes from the last two weeks of December 2016, when Rooivalks engaged in combat eight times, mostly against ADF rebels in the region of Beni in the eastern DRC. Allied Democratic Forces (ADF) rebels were mostly in the Rooivalk’s crosshairs but other smaller rebel groups/armed gangs were targeted as well. "


Of course we would have done WAY more flying and firing if we just stayed in SA and watched an insurgency build in our back yard. Then only take action when Michelle Obama starts chanting slogans.

ActivateKruger:


Who needs 9 or 12 or 26 pilots...? We can f#ck your airspace with just 1 Gripen.

Can you narrate how you intend to do that? I will like you to see how stupid you sound.

AW-101 Merlin [Rescue] , Algiers 5 july

jln115:


So how can an Aircraft be operational without a pilot?

Pics related:

Good photos of your Hawk pilots.

Now show us your Gripen pilots?

By the way, that picture is unrelated.

Henry240:


Junk post.

How many times have we gone through them.

If you want to have an argument with me, go dig up my archives.

Every information you want, go straight there.

My position hasn't changed, go argue with my archives.

Exactly the responds i expected!!

as @patches689 said before, you are unable to respond to factual write ups................even your own countrymen praised my responds with regards to the article you posted, yet you didn't respond!

iblawi:


The Gripens were brought out of storage doesn't translate to 26+ pilots. don't get it twisted.

Dude, you have 0 4th generation fighter pilots shut the f#ck up.

iblawi:


The Rooivalk is useless because rebel took over the city but Hinds are still useful in Nigeria, Libya, Pakistan, Afghanistan Syria, Iraq, etc. Terrorist took over many cities in those countries but hinds did the needful.

South Africa alway running from major confrontation from Central African Republic to Sudan then Burundi and now Congo.

The military is led by civilians whom handle the foreign policy. So far that seems to work well. SADC is more peaceful than all African regions then there must be something right being done.

There no point knowing you have the biggest stick that you still gotta go around not listening to others. South African soldiers were the first to deploy to Burundi.

Sudan mission is under UN and the host country didn't allow certain equipment to brought in. Meaning they enjoy or are still exploiting the crisis.

Your intentions are shown here for everyone to see that this isn't about the inferior design of the Mi-24 but rather a case of sour grapes. As seen by the rapid shift from discussing attack helicopter designs to South Africa not using cowboy foreign policies.

jln115:


So how can an Aircraft be operational without a pilot?

Pics related:

I can see a female in the first picture. This is enough to prove these are not gripen pilots. Am sure most of them fly transport/other aircrafts.

jln115:

Exactly the responds i expected!!

as @patches689 said before, you are unable to respond to factual write ups................even your own countrymen praised my responds with regards to the article you posted, yet you didn't respond!

Go respond to my archives. The answers you seek are all there.

I'm not going to go in circles with you. Provide new arguments, and we'll argue in the discussion thread. Until then, search Henry120 for all your answers.

iblawi:


Can you narrate how you intend to do that? I will like you to see how stupid you sound.

Narrate how a country of almost 200 million people has no 4th generation fighter in this day in age. I'm laughing in Igbo.

ActivateKruger:


Dude, you have 0 4th generation fighter pilots shut the f#ck up.

We've posted pictures of Nigeria airforce pilot flying F-16 and mig 29. Just go back many pages you should find it.

Anyways, Algerian military special forces

ActivateKruger:


Narrate how a country of almost 200 million people has no 4th generation fighter in this day in age. I'm laughing in Igbo.

Is that suppose to be a requirement for a country with such population?

Wise up. Keep dodging my question.

Henry240:


Good photos of your Hawk pilots.

Now show us your Gripen pilots?

By the way, that picture is unrelated.

Let me see.....


You wouldn't know a Gripen pilot when he punched you on your broken tooth... Do you know why? You have never even seen a 4th generation fighter in your whole life. Go to sleep.

iblawi:


I can see a female in the first picture. This is enough to prove these are not gripen pilots. Am sure most of them fly transport/other aircrafts.

Pics related:

iblawi:


I can see a female in the first picture. This is enough to prove these are not gripen pilots. Am sure most of them fly transport/other aircrafts.

After looking closely, I could see 2 other female pilots.