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They Were Never Addressed As Christians by Hier(m): 5:42am On Sep 06, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff: What do you suggest Christians should be called . Jesus witnesser or Gospel preacher. lemme add, does the fact that we refer to ourselves as Christians, makes it punishable by God. You know the punishment for sinners at least
By default, when they were first called Christian, as the disciples custom in the Acts of the Apostle were, they never wrote any letter saying they should tell people not to address them as one, if you find any, bring it to my notice. Acts11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch. 27 And in these came prophets from Jerusalem unto Antioch.
1 Peter 4:16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.
The term was used around Paul, and Paul never debated or built an argument around it, and Paul never corrected the notion in his epistles Acts26:28 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian. 29 And Paul said, I would to God, that not only thou, but also all that hear me this day, were both almost, and altogether such as I am, except these bonds. Read that last verse and imagine, Paul tell that to a king, I said someone was Paulic right, I dash you that verse.
I have no idea, gist me I sent for searches and result just came back Lemme guess, a pastor is preparing this questions as a part of his sermon, anytime from now, past, present and future. I think I understand John4:23, worship God in Spirit, use the spirit, to know the truth you are to listen to. So bad. Many are truth worshippers, not a fully discerned spirit worshipper. Cc Didov1 . Watchout for this lady, she's Paulic. She've been tearing unchristian threads down with one reply |
Re: They Were Never Addressed As Christians by Didov1(f): 7:17am On Sep 06, 2017 |
sorry Hier i am a CHRISTIAN....av commented on this thread b4,jst scroll up u will see it,...,.abt d paulic part,sorry m a christian...nice writeup |
Re: They Were Never Addressed As Christians by Hier(m): 8:27am On Sep 06, 2017 |
Didov1: Looool, you funny you know, okay I understand. Open the thread, voila, everything has become new. Well, don't worry, friends for life, do you care/mind. Yea, Paulic means attributes of Paul |
Re: They Were Never Addressed As Christians by Didov1(f): 9:00am On Sep 06, 2017 |
Hier:...ooooh my bad.....no problem,.i will check dat out soon.....have a nice day. 1 Like |
Re: They Were Never Addressed As Christians by Hier(m): 2:49pm On Sep 06, 2017 |
Didov1: Are you into intercession? Like in the past |
Re: They Were Never Addressed As Christians by Didov1(f): 3:14pm On Sep 06, 2017 |
Hier:..No..curious abt something....n pls dnt let us derail d thread. |
Re: They Were Never Addressed As Christians by Hier(m): 4:18pm On Sep 06, 2017 |
Didov1: derail kooo, the thread would accomplish that for which i posted it do you know what intercession is, and has it caught your attention that you are one |
Re: They Were Never Addressed As Christians by Didov1(f): 5:11pm On Sep 06, 2017 |
Hier:..lol...no...tell me about it...nd why do u think i might be one..? |
Re: They Were Never Addressed As Christians by Hier(m): 10:29pm On Sep 06, 2017 |
Didov1: I won't call it think anyway, I rather use the term "perceive" Acts27:9 Now when much time was spent, and when sailing was now dangerous, because the fast was now already past, Paul admonished them, 10 And said unto them, Sirs, I perceive that this voyage will be with hurt and much damage, not only of the lading and ship, but also of our lives. Lemme share you a link. www.nairaland.com/3884913/intercessors-nigeria 2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. I await your response, one more more thing, I usually ask people for the name of their church to know prevent some further questions, so, let me be straight with ya. How often do you have spiritual experiences. Like, do you answer "yes" to Acts19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. Many persons get offended when they ask them about the bolded. |
Re: They Were Never Addressed As Christians by MuttleyLaff: 5:30am On Sep 07, 2017 |
Hier:Let me add, that, knowledge isnt free, you got to pay attention The word Christian, is the Greek transliteration, Christi-anos So, admittedly, the attachment or commitment to a traditional term, especially one is known to, addressed as or referred to, has to be a hard thing to break Certainly, this is a seemingly pious name, to make one, want to bury head in the sand and not want to know the truth about it (i.e. be hostile to the truth about the tag Christian or Christi-anos) The fact, that, you refer yourself as Christian, don't mean that's who you really are because the truth of the matter, is, that's not what God calls you, it's what the world calls you or says who you are. Here are a few parallels you can relate to: Are you a nigger? Do you refer or address yourself as a nigger? Do you call yourself, answer back after or when being called a nigger? What would you say if someone, right now, possibly non-black, called you a nigger? Have you begun to catch the drift? Hier:Acts 11:26 is not an acceptance verse rather it is a history verse, informing readers, that the believers, were called this epithet, Christi-anos (i.e. Christian) first, at Antioch Acts 11:26 is not saying, that the believers, called themselves, the Christi-anos or Christian epithet By default and custom, the disciples never wrote any letter addressing or calling each other, using the Christi-anos or Christian epithet if you find any, bring it to my notice. Please, in your findings, exclude afterthought bible versions or translations Hier:Christian is just another epithet, similar in import, to the infamous word, nigger Just, as black people suffered as niggers, before the Civil Rights Act of 1964 enacted by the 88th United States Congress so the early believers suffered, contemptuous ridicule, mockery and/or disdain and Peter, in the 1 Peter 4:16 verse, IS NOT, under any circumstances, calling anybody or anyone a Christian but rather, is saying dont be ashamed, if any gets to be treated like a (i.e. in effect, keep calm and brush it off, if subjected to contemptuous ridicule, mockery and/or disdain) Hier:The person, that used that term around Paul, is a hardcore and die-hard Jew who knew what he was doing and saying, by using the Christian term around Paul Agrippa, not only a Jew but a king as well, deliberately and calculatedly, tried to hurt Paul's emotional state or sensitivity. Do you really believe that Agrippa & the people of Antioch revered Jesus that much, they called the disciples or believers ''Christ-like''? You do know and understand what Agrippa & the people of Antioch meant by the term Christi-anos or Christian? But of course, it is better to cat a fish first before you descale and gut it so Paul ignored the Christi-anos or Christian epithet, uttered by Agrippa, to offend him He also avoided calling himself a Christi-anos or Christian, instead replied with: "I wish to God that you and everyone listening to me today would quickly and completely become as I am (except for being a prisoner) It would have been the perfect opportunity for Paul to thump his chest and in King Agrippa's presence, proudly declare he is a christian but alas, he didnt, he let that window of opportunity slide by. WHY? Also, Paul never carried the notion in his epistles that, he or any of the believers is a christian WHY? Hier:Then God said, "Let us make human beings in Our image, to be like us (i.e. according to Our likeness) - Genesis 1:26a I dash you Genesis 1:26a verse Hier:27Jesus and his disciples left Galilee and went up to the villages near Caesarea Philippi. As they were walking along, He asked them, "Who do people say I am?" 28"Well," they replied, "some say John the Baptist, some say Elijah, and others say you are one of the other prophets." 29Then He asked them, "But who do you say I am?" Peter replied, "You are the Messiah." Mark 8:27-29 Be careful what you wish for, because you just might get it Your ''gist me'' wish is my command Hier:Too bad, many dont discern why and what Agrippa and those in Antioch implied by calling Paul and the earlier believers Christian or Christi-anos In youth we learn, in age we understand Certain truths, can only be clearly seen or understood with the wisdom of age and grace of God Hier:Christi-anos or Christian is a misnomer for believers, saints, brothers, sisters, disciples Acts 11:26, Acts 26:28 and 1 Peter 4:16 are the only three places in the bible where the term Christi-anos or Christian, is found. On each occasion, the term was used in a belittling, derogatory and rebuffing context or manner No where in the bible, will it ever be found, any of the disciples, believers, Paul, Peter, say I am a CHRISTIAN... Same way, you wont say about yourself: I am a NIGGER Didov1:I've scrolled up but I dont see her earlier comments on this thread she, however, is a wise sister, for ducking the Paulic part 1 Like |
Re: They Were Never Addressed As Christians by Didov1(f): 6:35am On Sep 07, 2017 |
sorry muttleylaff,i was reffering 2 d former thread were ur comments were taken from..(handful of reason why you may not be a christian)that d name of d thread.....nd abt d paulic part,i dnt rilly understand d word,dat was why i told him i'm a christian... |
Re: They Were Never Addressed As Christians by MuttleyLaff: 7:17am On Sep 07, 2017 |
Didov1:Then God said, "Let us make human beings in Our image, to be like us (i.e. according to Our likeness) - Genesis 1:26a You want to yearn for attributes of God and not Paul's Be like God, not like Paul and for your information, when King Agrippa and the people of Antioch called the early believers or disciples Christi-anos (i.e. CHRISTIAN) it was not as a compliment nor did they mean CHRIST-like by the term Christi-anos This is why you wouldnt find early believers, disciples, saint, Peter, Paul, Jesus, or God embrace the term 1 Like |
Re: They Were Never Addressed As Christians by Didov1(f): 8:33am On Sep 07, 2017 |
..thanks,bt m nt trying to b paul-like bt christ-like in nature...dou d op wasnt talkin abt followin paul or anything,i think he is talkin abt d character n some trait in him(dou he might b exagerating d whole thing)..on d other thread,d op wasnt talkin abt d historical meaning of d word christian,.ok,forget d word,r u a true follower of christ,r u avin those trait she listed(dou there r more qualities u shld av 2 b a gud follower)through dat u cn understand d thread better....nice writeup dou,u defend ur answers well with scriptural backin.,.seem i av 2 reread verses abt king agrippa 2 understand d whole thing better...good morning |
Re: They Were Never Addressed As Christians by Didov1(f): 8:39am On Sep 07, 2017 |
Didov1:muttleylaff, |
Re: They Were Never Addressed As Christians by Didov1(f): 8:00am On Sep 08, 2017 |
Hier: Hier: Hier: |
Re: They Were Never Addressed As Christians by Hier(m): 11:18am On Sep 08, 2017 |
Didov1: You seem like you are in agreement with his write up from the bolded, the truth is, if I call myself a Christian, it doesn't make me less of what God want for me, cause all this confusion doesn't count before God now. |
Re: They Were Never Addressed As Christians by Hier(m): 11:53am On Sep 08, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff: well, I must be sincere, but that's by the way. If I had know, I will just put up a write up without quoting you but its gonna address all that. So, I will just pretend as though I didn't read all the above and go to my tent. Thanks |
Re: They Were Never Addressed As Christians by Didov1(f): 11:55am On Sep 08, 2017 |
Hier:..same here...u make me read d whole comments 2 understand u....he is jst after d historic meaning of d name n d way it was during d time of paul....dou m nt in support of his notion,..cox i belief the word christian means follows of christ... dat do nt stop me from been a christian.. |
Re: They Were Never Addressed As Christians by Hier(m): 2:21pm On Sep 08, 2017 |
Didov1: Well, thats by the way. You didn't reply my last question about intercession |
Re: They Were Never Addressed As Christians by Didov1(f): 3:08pm On Sep 08, 2017 |
Hier:.spiritual experience like......will church be a barrier to what u want to say.?? |
Re: They Were Never Addressed As Christians by MuttleyLaff: 4:45pm On Sep 08, 2017 |
Hier:Are you bothered, if she does Hier:The truth is, God never called believers Christians, Jesus never called His followers Christians. The disciples, apostles, Paul, Peter etcetera never called each other Christians so why you decide call yourself a Christian? Why call yourself a christian, knowing what the term Christian means, when it's used by the people who coined the term? Hier:Calling you a nigger doesnt make you less of a black man God wants you to be but you still would object to being called a nigger Why the double standards? Why accept being called a Christian but not accept being addressed or called a nigger? Hier:To put confusion at rest, here is the list of names that count before God: "saint(s)" "brother(s)", "sister(s)" "disciples", "elder(s)" "apostle(s)", "servant(s)", "believer(s)", "follower(s)", "the faithful", "the elect(s)", (i.e. 2 John 1:1) "the called", (i.e. Romans 8:28) "slave(s)/bondservant(s)" progressing to being "son" "a child of God" maturing to being "son of God" (i.e. Romans 8:17, Galatians 4:7, 1 John 5:1, 1 Corinthians 7:22, 1 John 3:1, John 1:12) and "Hephzibah" (i.e. Isaiah 62:2, 4) Responding to your opening sentence, I suggest to whom applicable, should be called any of the above You also asked: Does the fact that we refer to ourselves as Christians, makes it punishable by God. You know the punishment for sinners at least Well I dont know about punishment. But I know you will be held accountable, if you persist after knowing the truth and meaning of term |
Re: They Were Never Addressed As Christians by MuttleyLaff: 4:47pm On Sep 08, 2017 |
Hier:Do you sincerely think King Agrippa and the people of Antioch meant the Christian term to be a compliment? Most people dont really want the TRUTH They just want constant reassurance that the lie, what they believe, is the truth The truth, sometimes is better not to know because it is something somebody dont want to hear or know Hier:You know the truth by the way it feels Dont put up a write up, if you cant handle the response If you can't handle the truth about what the christian term really means, you shouldn't have put up the write up Am I now, not proven right, when I wrote: Admittedly, the attachment or commitment to a traditional term, especially one is known to, addressed as or referred to, has to be a hard thing to break Certainly, this is a seemingly pious name, to make one, want to bury head in the sand and not want to know the truth about it (i.e. be hostile to the truth about the tag Christian or Christi-anos) |
Re: They Were Never Addressed As Christians by MuttleyLaff: 4:48pm On Sep 08, 2017 |
Didov1:What is my notion that you are not in support of? Didov1:You believe wrong because the word Christian or Christi-anos does not mean followers of Christ You will shudder once you know what Christian or Christi-anos really means The meaning is repugnant The people of Antioch, are masters in formulating epithets like this and are infamous for it Four set of people followed Jesus in the bible, namely: The Crowd, the Curious, the Committed and the Committee Arent all of those followers of Christ? The 4 Cs? |
Re: They Were Never Addressed As Christians by Hier(m): 8:22pm On Sep 08, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff: Please, close this case, #Shalom |
Re: They Were Never Addressed As Christians by Hier(m): 8:26pm On Sep 08, 2017 |
Didov1: Thanks for your time. We talk at a future date, probably a farther date than this |
Re: They Were Never Addressed As Christians by MuttleyLaff: 8:28pm On Sep 08, 2017 |
Hier:This is what happens, when yanga sleeps, and something else, goes wake up its post. #Shalom 1 Like |
Re: They Were Never Addressed As Christians by Didov1(f): 9:14pm On Sep 08, 2017 |
the word christian was used jst thrice in d new testament nd they r all refering to d christians of d early church.,.(act11:26)for a whole yr barnabas nd saul met with the church and taught great number of people,the disciples were called christians at first at antioch......(act26:28)..then agrippa said to paul,do you think that in such a short time you can persuade to be a CHRISTIAN?......(1peter4:16)..however,if you suffer as a christian,do not be ashamed but praise GOD that you bear that NAME....they were called christians bcox they bhave n preach abt christ..i think dox verse r enough prove....muttleylaff |
Re: They Were Never Addressed As Christians by Didov1(f): 9:52pm On Sep 08, 2017 |
Hier:..ok..till then... 1 Like |
Re: They Were Never Addressed As Christians by MuttleyLaff: 10:58pm On Sep 08, 2017 |
Didov1:Is it necessary that the truth be labored again, that on each occasion, the term Christi-anos or Christian was used, it was used in a despicable, belittling, derogatory and rebuffing context or manner Acts 11:26, Acts 26:28 and 1 Peter 4:16 are the only three places in the bible where the term Christi-anos or Christian, is found and used No where else, in the bible, will it ever be found, any of the disciples, believers, Paul, Peter, say I am a CHRISTIAN... No where else, in the bible, will it ever be found, any of the disciples, believers, Paul, Peter, addressing each other as CHRISTIANs... If the christian term is so palatable or that acceptable, dont you wonder why neither Paul, Peter, disciples, etcetera ever addressed themselves or each other by it? I can only tell the truth about the real meaning of the term Christi-anos or Christian. I cant make you believe it |
Re: They Were Never Addressed As Christians by Hier(m): 3:17am On Sep 09, 2017 |
Didov1: pending the time, welcome to my old thread, just an intro The Bible said, we should desire spiritual gifts- 1 Corin 13:1, but how would they desire if they've not known Romans 10:14. Look for one of my thread on testimonies about Holy Ghost baptism. I would say, we have so many things to talk about. |
Re: They Were Never Addressed As Christians by Didov1(f): 4:53pm On Sep 09, 2017 |
Hier:..ok..no problem. 1 Like |
Re: They Were Never Addressed As Christians by Didov1(f): 5:06pm On Sep 09, 2017 |
ookaaay muttleylaff...since u prefer been called christ follower,no problem...sofar you belief in christ and i do same,then we are good to go.... |
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