VillageWinch:


Not only that he actually initiated the whole thing by encouraging ojukwu to seceding with the firm belief the West would automatically become an independet country too

Not only that, saying these specifically:

if any region should opt out of the Federation of Nigeria, then the Federation should be considered to be at an end, and that the Western Region and Lagos should also opt out of it.

And this:

We have neither military might nor the overwhelming advantage of numbers here in Western Nigeria and Lagos. But we have justice of a noble and imperishable cause on our side, namely: the right of a people to unfettered self-determination.

VillageWinch:


Not only that he actually initiated the whole thing by encouraging ojukwu to seceding with the firm belief the West would automatically become an independet country too

How do u blame Biafrans for believing that someone who said this is sure to quickly secede:

Especially when he also said this:

WetinConsignMe:


So...
Moving on...

@ bolded. We are now up to #6

Remember I said:

I think most of these things are explainable and I don't think any of them necessarily disqualifies Awo from being a hero, especially to the Yorubas. I'll expatiate in my following posts.

I will now continue addressing the points.

Bros anything is explainable especially after the fact and especially when you are a LAWYER like Awo was

I find the contrast between Fela's arrest and Soyinka's arrest funny

Soyinka's arrest

Fela's arrest

WetinConsignMe:


Hitler was always evil. I'd say Awo was a decent person up till the start of the war.

Nope, hitler wasn't always evil and hitler was never evil at any point in his life. The American/British media which u watched for ur whole life is what painted hitler as bad or evil or devil.
Most people follow this ur point because they didn't know what really happened that made Germany start a second world war.



Stop trying to defend Awo.

WetinConsignMe:



Also he had a somewhat plausible explanation (at least to himself - he convinced himself so) for his starvation policy. See, a bad person couldn't have come up with that his May 1st 1967 speech. Unless it was just a ploy
To trick Biafra into secession, which I don't think was the case.

He simply chickened out .

9jaDoc:


Not only that, saying these specifically:

if any region should opt out of the Federation of Nigeria, then the Federation should be considered to be at an end, and that the Western Region and Lagos should also opt out of it.

And this:

We have neither military might nor the overwhelming advantage of numbers here in Western Nigeria and Lagos. But we have justice of a noble and imperishable cause on our side, namely: the right of a people to unfettered self-determination.

The military might was a non issue, stop bringing up these excuses. All Awolowo needed was to meet Yoruba leaders, update them on the new happenings and announce their exit from the contraception.

The north would bulge immediately they see that it's a fight of igbo combining with Yoruba against them.

WetinConsignMe:


At bolded. This tells me u know your stuff. Hitler exterminated roughly 6 million people but it is the norm to refer to them as Jews though not all were Jews.

The Jewish population in Europe in the 1930s n 1940s was 9 million. The dead 6 million Jews was a hoax. The Jews were Europeans, there's no easy way to pinpoint them and kill them.

VillageWinch:


Actually no Hitler was an atheist

Nope, he's a Christian.

Of u carefully go thru "Mein Kampf" , hitlers autobiography, u will know that he wasn't an atheist.

VillageWinch:


Paganism is the practice of being a pagan - basically not being a Moslem or Christian

Nope.

Paganism is a form of idol worship, it deals with worshipping of many Gods, Polytheism. All religions that worship many Gods are referred to as paganism.
The main example of paganism is the worship of the sun God,i think it started In the old Roman empire.

VillageWinch:


Hitler is no longer a hero to most Germans. Awo stays a hero to most Yorubas

That is a very false notion. Hitler still has millions of followers in Germany n beyond.

PrecisionFx:


Nope.

Paganism is a form of idol worship, it deals with worshipping of many Gods, Polytheism. All religions that worship many Gods are referred to as paganism.
The main example of paganism is the worship of the sun God,i think it started In the old Roman empire.

Thank God for Google. Tends to end arguments very quickly



pa·gan·ism
ˈpāɡəˌnizəm/
noun

a religion other than one of the main world religions, specifically a non-Christian or pre-Christian religion.
"converts from paganism to Christianity"

a modern religious movement incorporating beliefs or practices from outside the main world religions, especially nature worship.

PrecisionFx:




Nope, he's a Christian.

Of u carefully go thru "Mein Kampf" , hitlers autobiography, u will know that he wasn't an atheist.

However, Weikart makes it clear that Hitler’s pro-Christian statements were little more than lip service to his churchgoing constituents. Although Hitler was born and raised in historically Catholic Austria, he lost his faith in the Church at an early age. Weikart writes that the young Adolf was a rebellious student who frequently quarreled with his high school religion teacher and often mocked Christianity in class. Weikart’s excellent command of German is on display when he notes that in Mein Kampf and in private correspondence Hitler frequently used the term Pfaffe, a disparaging German term for a priest, to refer to clergymen. Hitler’s long-established anti-clericalism was evident after his rise to power as well, when Goebbels’ propaganda machine portrayed the Catholic priesthood as dominated by sexual perverts

PrecisionFx:




That is a very false notion. Hitler still has millions of followers in Germany n beyond.

Unlike Awo and Yorubas, vast majority of Germans don't see Hitler as a hero - understandable since he lost a war

PrecisionFx:




The Jewish population in Europe in the 1930s n 1940s was 9 million. The dead 6 million Jews was a hoax. The Jews were Europeans, there's no easy way to pinpoint them and kill them.

He killed enough, don't you think?

PrecisionFx:



The military might was a non issue, stop bringing up these excuses. All Awolowo needed was to meet Yoruba leaders, update them on the new happenings and announce their exit from the contraception.

The north would bulge immediately they see that it's a fight of igbo combining with Yoruba against them.

You are absolutely right. Something happened to Awo. I think he was promised rulership plus oil money

PrecisionFx:



Nope, hitler wasn't always evil and hitler was never evil at any point in his life. The American/British media which u watched for ur whole life is what painted hitler as bad or evil or devil.
Most people follow this ur point because they didn't know what really happened that made Germany start a second world war.




Stop trying to defend Awo.

Well said

PrecisionFx:



He simply chickened out .

Someone just posted this
Whachu think?

Today In History 1995 - Ken Saro-wiwa And 8 Other Ogoni Activists Were Executed by VillageWinch: 5:02pm

Amarabae:
Thank God that Gen.Sani Abacha was NOT an Igbo,
Had it been he was, they would have been whinning about how An Igbo man killed their son.
SARO WIWA- A man who mocked Igbos continually during the war.
His Igbophobia was over limited.
That's why I will rather stay in a Restructured Nigeria with hausa/yorubas than have anything to do with these minorities in the name of a heterogeneous Biafra

PrecisionFx:




The Jewish population in Europe in the 1930s n 1940s was 9 million. The dead 6 million Jews was a hoax. The Jews were Europeans, there's no easy way to pinpoint them and kill them.

Like I said u know your stuff. See below:

JEWS IN PREWAR GERMANY

According to the census of June 1933, the Jewish population of Germany consisted of about 500,000 people. Jews represented less than one percent of the total German population of about 67 million people. Unlike ordinary census-taking methods, the Nazi racist criteria codified in the Nuremberg Laws of 1935 and subsequent ordinances identified Jews according to the religion practiced by an individual's grandparents. Consequently, the Nazis classified as Jews thousands of people who had converted from Judaism to another religion, among them even Roman Catholic priests and nuns and Protestant ministers whose grandparents were Jewish.

Eighty percent of the Jews in Germany (about 400,000 people) held German citizenship. The remainder were mostly Jews of Polish citizenship, many of whom were born in Germany and who had permanent resident status in Germany.

In all, about 70 percent of the Jews in Germany lived in urban areas. Fifty percent of all Jews lived in the 10 largest German cities, including Berlin (about 160,000), Frankfurt am Main (about 26,000), Breslau (about 20,000), Hamburg (about 17,000), Cologne (about 15,000), Hannover (about 13,000), and Leipzig (about 12,000).

KEY DATES
APRIL 1, 1933
NATIONWIDE BOYCOTT OF JEWISH-OWNED BUSINESSES
At 10:00 a.m., members of the Storm Troopers (SA) and SS (the elite guard of the Nazi state) stand in front of Jewish-owned businesses throughout Germany to inform the public that the proprietors of these establishments are Jewish. The word "Jude," German for "Jew," is often smeared on store display windows, with a Star of David painted in yellow and black across the doors. Anti-Jewish signs accompany these slogans. In some towns, the SA march through the streets singing anti-Jewish slogans and party songs. In other towns, violence accompanies the boycott; in Kiel, a Jewish lawyer is killed. The boycott ends at midnight. Boycotts organized at the local level continue throughout much of the 1930s.

SEPTEMBER 15, 1935
NUREMBERG LAWS ARE INSTITUTED
At their annual party rally, the Nazis announce new laws that make Jews second-class citizens and revoke most of their political rights. Further, Jews are prohibited from marrying or having sexual relations with persons of "German or related blood." "Racial infamy," as this becomes known, is made a criminal offense. The Nuremberg Laws define a "Jew" as someone with three or four Jewish grandparents or who is a practicing Jew. Consequently, the Nazis classify as Jews thousands of people who have converted from Judaism to another religion, among them even Roman Catholic priests and nuns and Protestant ministers whose grandparents were Jewish.

NOVEMBER 9, 1938
"KRISTALLNACHT": A NATIONWIDE POGROM
In reponse to the murder of German diplomat Ernst vom Rath by a young Jew in Paris, German propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels delivers a fiery speech to the Nazi party faithful in Munich; these party members are gathered to commemorate the anniversary of the abortive 1923 Beer Hall Putsch (Adolf Hitler's first attempt to seize power). The speech is a signal for an organized assault upon Jewish homes, businesses, and places of worship by members of the SA, SS, and other Nazi party organizations such as the Hitler Youth. Although Nazi officials later portray the pogrom as a spontaneous act of public outrage, the population's participation in the pogrom is limited. The violence against Jews lasts into the morning of November 10 and becomes known as "Kristallnacht": the "Night of Broken Glass." At least 91 Jews are killed and up to 30,000 more are arrested and confined in concentration camps. "Aryanization," the transfer of Jewish-owned businesses to "Aryans," accelerates following the pogrom.

Only TWO of them survived!

PrecisionFx:



He simply chickened out .

I think he simply saw an unbelievable opportunity. Zik, Akintola, Ahmadu Bello were all gone plus oil money - why would he not suddenly become one-Nigeria

Here is the good pre-war socialist Awo before oil money
and inordinate lust to rule Nigeria corrupted him.

PrecisionFx:



Nope, hitler wasn't always evil and hitler was never evil at any point in his life. The American/British media which u watched for ur whole life is what painted hitler as bad or evil or devil.
Most people follow this ur point because they didn't know what really happened that made Germany start a second world war.



Stop trying to defend Awo.

Matter of opinion. I think Hitler was totally evil, Western media aside. Look what he allowed plus the sick human experiments

This is Hitler

And he was not evil?

Not even a tiny little bit evil?

PrecisionFx:



Stop trying to defend Awo.

I'm not defending anybody. It's just that as moderator I have to lean a little towards the other side to counteract any subconscious bias I might have as onye Igbo.

9jaDoc:


Bros anything is explainable especially after the fact and especially when you are a LAWYER like Awo was

Explainable, yes. Justifiable, no.

WetinConsignMe:


I'm not defending anybody. It's just that as moderator I have to lean a little towards the other side to counteract any subconscious bias I might have as onye Igbo.

Anybody can claim igbo online, it's easy to do so.