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Beware Of The Leaven Of Daddy Freeze / The Beginning Of The End Of "Daddy Freeze". / Who Is Afraid Of Daddy Freeze? By Femi Aribisala (2) (3) (4)
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Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by BluntBoy(m): 8:38am On Nov 11, 2017 |
petra1: Answer my question first. It is only polite that you respond to a question first before burdening the person asking with a question or a task of your own. Order is key to good manners. If everyone is answering tasks with tasks or questions with questions, how would anything be done right? Please, answer my question first. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by TI1919(m): 8:41am On Nov 11, 2017 |
Galatians 3:7-9 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. The funny thing about you and your tithe/offering collecting GO's is that you tried always to justify your useless way of life by quoting and using the scripture wrongly. Jesus never justify himself in all his lifetime hear on earth 1 Like |
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by betterABIAstate: 8:48am On Nov 11, 2017 |
TI1919:tell them to explain why Jesus and his apostles never paid nor collected tithe, they seem to be shying away from this question 1 Like |
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by kevoh(m): 8:52am On Nov 11, 2017 |
Gombs:Which other moniker? |
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by TheHotspur(m): 8:55am On Nov 11, 2017 |
petra1: We don't argue with fools |
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by Kenny4lyfe(m): 8:57am On Nov 11, 2017 |
petra1: Good #SchoolThemOnTithe Some individuals have always been allergic to this 'tithe' issue for so long a time and the freeze fellow who added his voice to the issue (sponsored probably) was a vanguard. ''Tithing is God's kingdom principle and it is eternal. It is not an old testament thing.'' Funny enough, these folks called themselves 'christians' smh... even muslems don't argue their zakat or other forms of giving like this. 3 Likes |
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by BluntBoy(m): 8:59am On Nov 11, 2017 |
IamtherealRita: He is a false teacher. His condemnation has been decided long ago. Don't bother yourself about him. 2 Likes |
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by petra1(m): 9:04am On Nov 11, 2017 |
betterABIAstate: He spoke against many things under the law but he didn't speak against tithe rather Jesus endorsed tithing . Matthew 23:23 . . . .! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the law—justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things. |
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by BluntBoy(m): 9:05am On Nov 11, 2017 |
Petra1, why are you avoiding my questions? Wasn't it you who said you tithe the Abraham way? You tithe the Abraham way (without compulsion) but emphasize the curses of Malachi on those who are not tithing. Please, I need explanations. Are the priesthood of your pastors the equal of that of Melchizedek? Please, I need answers. 2 Likes |
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by betterABIAstate: 9:06am On Nov 11, 2017 |
petra1:you have not answered my question, did Jesus practise tithing? If yes, show me where he did If no, why? 1 Like |
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by petra1(m): 9:06am On Nov 11, 2017 |
TheHotspur: Matthew 5:22 but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. 1 Like |
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by petra1(m): 9:08am On Nov 11, 2017 |
betterABIAstate: I will show you if you can show me where jesus brushed his mouth 2 Likes |
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by betterABIAstate: 9:09am On Nov 11, 2017 |
petra1:I don't know, now show me where Jesus tithed? 2 Likes |
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by MuttleyLaff: 9:12am On Nov 11, 2017 |
BluntBoy:Abi ooo. Make up your mind betterABIAstate: petra1:Why now? This thread isnt discussing brushing of mouth or have I been reading a different thread ni? betterABIAstate:Water will have to freeze in hell first before you get any sniff of an answer showing you where Jesus tithed 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by petra1(m): 9:15am On Nov 11, 2017 |
BluntBoy: []God brought about or introduced revelation of tithing through Abraham . And God trusted him to pass his knowledge of God to his generation. It was from Isaac learned about tithing and passed it to Jacob Are the priesthood of your pastors the equal of that of Melchizedek? Jesus is our priest in the order of Melchizedek |
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by betterABIAstate: 9:17am On Nov 11, 2017 |
petra1:Jesus was likened to Melchizedek, you have English problem. According to your Melchizedek story, we are suppose to tithe just once and from the proceed of a war 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by TheHotspur(m): 9:27am On Nov 11, 2017 |
petra1: And Proverbs 26:4 says what Please make it sure you quote what it says, at the end we know who you are |
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by MuttleyLaff: 9:28am On Nov 11, 2017 |
petra1:Secular tithing is a customary practice done way back, by all and sundry It is no introduced revelation through Abraham It was not out of the ordinary during Abraham's time petra1:Nothing relating to or contained in the Bible ever showed Isaac tithing Jacob, didnt tithe as a person, but did as a nation, 400 plus years later |
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by BluntBoy(m): 9:29am On Nov 11, 2017 |
petra1: If God revealed tithing through Abraham, then you have to tithe the Abraham way. How? Look for someone who has been robbed (must not be a Christian), fight off those who robbed him, help him recover his goods and tithe out of the recovered goods. And you must tithe this only after the priest first brings out bread and wine and blesses you. The priest must also have a priesthood superior to that of any man. However, you still haven't answered my major question: If Abraham's tithes predate the Law, how come you justify Abraham's tithes using the Law? 1 Like |
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by BluntBoy(m): 9:30am On Nov 11, 2017 |
betterABIAstate: Help me tell him. |
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by petra1(m): 9:51am On Nov 11, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff: Neither is the thread about Jesus paying tithes |
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by plainbibletruth: 9:52am On Nov 11, 2017 |
THEY HAVE NO ANSWER!! When on an issue as this Petra1 & company resort to banters instead of giving clear replies it simply shows that they have no answer. When someone says "show me tithe here or there" and their response "show me marriage or toothbrush " then it is clear that no answer is forthcoming. When "Pastors" do not seem to understand types and shadows in scripture and clear ENGLISH words can't be understood by them not to talk of Hebrew or Greek then it may be impossible for them to answer even BASICS of Christianity. The bottm line is this: they have no answer to justify their FLEECING of the Sheep and will one day give an account to him whom they have failed to follow. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by OrnamentOne: 9:56am On Nov 11, 2017 |
petra1:The first tithes you mentioned for the Levites. Who are the Levites today? Remember no where in scripture mentions Jesus receiving tithes, nor his disciples; and the early christians didn't pay tithes to their leaders either. Jesus was of the tribe of Judah, so he couldn't have collected tithes, only the Levites were mandated to do that because they had no inheritance of land. Also tithes then was never monetary, even though money existed then. Meaning the Israelites never paid tithes of money to the Levites, it was only of farm produce and livestock. The second tithe you mentioned (the Daddy Freeze beer boozing analogy), is not practiced today either. So why aren't churches nor pastors encouraging their flock to practice this type? Eat your tithes with your family (still farm produce or livestock, except the place you're to worship God with it is far, then use it to buy whatever your heart desires and eat, drink, flex), and the levites around you should partake of the merriment. It's clearly not today's kind of tithing either. The third tithe you mentioned, which is once every three years, is for the Levites, the strangers among you, the orphans/fatherless and the widows to feast on. And you don't have to take it anywhere, not the place God shall choose like the previous tithes. It is to be consumed within thy gates. Remember it is still Farm produce and livestock, not monetary, even though there was money those days. So in all, the total tithes the Israelites paid then was about 23.3%, and it was their own kind of tax system, cos Israel ran a Theocracy of some sort, where Priests ruled them. Abrahamic-Tithe (Pre-Mosaic Law) Abraham was only mentioned paying tithes once, and that once was never from his income. It was from war booty, which he didn't even partake of. To him it was clearly not his, he didn't even want those Kings he helped recover their loot toeven have a notion that part of the war booties was what made Abraham rich. Abraham was never mentioned to tithe anywhere else in scripture. So we can't jump on that either. [b]Paul's statements. [/b]Yes he said, those who preach the gospel should also live of the gospel. How those that correlate to them asking for tithes? Jesus had a treasurer in Judas, but he never collected tithes. He couldn't even have, cos he was from the tribe of Judah. The Pharisees would have added that to the list of what they were accusing him of. He sent his disciples out and they lacked nothing, but those disciples never collected tithes anywhere. Same with the early church, and apostles. The new testament preaches GIVING, but it has to be done willingly, and from a cheerful heart, to promote God's work. Using the collection of tithes to justify this is wrong. You can give any %...1%, 5%10%, 25%, 50%, 75%, 80% even 100%, but please don't call it tithes! And using scriptures on tithes to justify this is even WORSE. The Macedonian church gave out of their poverty! It wasn't mentioned that because of that giving, that they became very wealthy afterwards. They were rich towards God, not material possessions. God is not a magician. He meets our needs, yes he blesses us, the principle of GIVING and RECEIVING is the same whether you give 1%, or 10% or 100%, give and it shall be given unto you, good measure, pressed down, shaken together, and running over, is what Jesus preached. He didn't preach Tithing. Remember he commended the old widow who gave her one mite, as the one whose giving was most precious cos she gave her all. God wants our heart, not our pocket. Let me rest my case here...it's becoming a long epistle already. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by petra1(m): 9:56am On Nov 11, 2017 |
BluntBoy: That’s only an incident. If a man could give tithe on even booty of war how much more from his belonging. Tithe is given of possession Did Jacob have to fight robbers to pay tithe ? He gave tithes of all. The issue is not about the “how but about the ”what” |
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by BluntBoy(m): 10:03am On Nov 11, 2017 |
petra1: Make up your mind, bro. Do you tithe the Abraham way or the Jacob way? |
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by BluntBoy(m): 10:06am On Nov 11, 2017 |
Kenny4lyfe: Bible verses, please. When Paul taught the Berean Jews, they examined his teachings to see if they aligned with the gospel. Now, provide us Bible verses supporting tithing as a principle of God's kingdom? 1 Like |
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by OrnamentOne: 10:06am On Nov 11, 2017 |
petra1: Nowhere was it mentioned that Jacob gave tithes of all. He promised to do that, but we can't say categorically when he did it, or how he did it. Or how do you think he gave his tithes? Did Melchizedek appear again? How did Jacob pay his tithes? 2 Likes |
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by Kenny4lyfe(m): 10:21am On Nov 11, 2017 |
BluntBoy: This threat is replete with them. |
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by BluntBoy(m): 10:32am On Nov 11, 2017 |
Kenny4lyfe: Supporting those who minister either ministerially or materially are not principles of tithing but freewill giving. I am not against freewill giving. I am against forced tithing. Any pastor who forces you to tithe by using the curses of the Law is a fraud. We are enjoined to give from our heart not to tithe under the Law. If pastors get tithes, the choir and everyone laboring in the Church should get too. Everyone who labored in the temple of old benefited from the tithes. So, how come only pastors get tithes. 1 Like |
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by Kenny4lyfe(m): 10:44am On Nov 11, 2017 |
BluntBoy: If you are not against freewill giving why should tithing be a problem? Can you please provide evidence of instances where Tithe were forced? 1 Like |
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by BluntBoy(m): 10:59am On Nov 11, 2017 |
Kenny4lyfe: Tithing is not freewill. Tithing was a Law. You can't be under the Law and be claiming freedom. Are you not in Nigeria? In Winners Chapel, you can't be a full member except you pay tithe. Mind you, tithe is distinguished from freewill giving. In many churches, you cannot be wedded except you are a confirmed tither. |
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by paxonel(m): 11:04am On Nov 11, 2017 |
The funny thing about African mindset is, They come out boldly without shame to say I'm a proud tither. If they are asked Why do you tithe? They will say 1. I don't know 2. It pays like mmm and naira bet. 3. My life has changed since i started tithing 4. I don't want to rob God 5. I tithe because I'm loyal to my pastor Imagine the kind of mumu mumu reasons they giving. No one is saying that they tithe because they saw christians in the bible tithing. No one is saying they tithe because Jesus commanded that christians should tithe No one is saying that they tithe because early disciples like Paul and Peter and all early christians became rich through tithing. They forget that Jesus indicated that the least person in Gods kingdom is greater than John the Baptist and all the old testament prophets who paid tithe including Malachi Now i understand why Africans are third world Black monkeys Now, whatever you are doing in life there is no reasonable explanation for it, it's a sign that you are very primitive in this modern era when there is wisdom and understanding. You can choose to continue to be mumu it's your choice. In the midst of this mumu-ness, thank God there are few others who are getting sense 1 Like |
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