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What Is Religious Extremism? Difference Between Moderate And Extreme. by Martinez19(m): 6:52pm On Nov 15, 2017 |
Whether the stupid and hypocritical theists like it or not, there is nothing actually extreme about religious extremism. What we call religious fanatism/extremism is simply taking a holy book as it is. The Islamic terrorists, that the so called moderate muslims are condemning and bad mouthing, are actually the true muslims. An Islamic terrorist is what happens when a muslim reads the Qur'an, digests it and take it as it. What about christian extremists? Those that reject medicine for faith healing, those that are ready to be martyred(unlike the hypocrites of today ![]() These extremists are actually honest with their religious beliefs and are ever dedicated to them. To be a moderate in either Islam or christianity, you will have to ignore some part of the Qur'an/bible and that's hypocrisy. Moderates are never good examples of their holy books. 7 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: What Is Religious Extremism? Difference Between Moderate And Extreme. by falcon01: 6:57pm On Nov 15, 2017 |
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Re: What Is Religious Extremism? Difference Between Moderate And Extreme. by Fekwa(f): 7:31pm On Nov 15, 2017 |
I think you seem to be conflating your definition of true religious adherence with religious literalism. The fact that someone reads a certain verse of the scripture and interprets it literally doesn't mean his interpretation is more accurate and more representative of what the religion stands for than someone who interprets that particular verse in a more benign form. Most of the time religious literalism doesn't come from an informed reading of the religious text, it's often accompanied with a decontextualized reading of the text and an inability to understand the historical relevances that surround the text. I think this whole case of Islamic extremism all boils down to interpretation and the Islamic ideology that animates this interpretation, because there are lots of Islamic ideologies and movements are built around these ideologies and these ideologies have lots of historical, philosophical and geopolitical influences. The issue of Islamic terrorism isn't black and white. It's extremely complex and nuanced and I hate when uninformed people like the OP talk so boldly about an intricate issue they aren't well informed about. 1 Like |
Re: What Is Religious Extremism? Difference Between Moderate And Extreme. by Martinez19(m): 7:36pm On Nov 15, 2017 |
Fekwa:bullshit. The holy books, the Qur'an and the bible, are clear on what they mean. Any honest and reasonable person should know that. I never spoke of taking the bible literally, instead I spoke of taking it as it is. Once again, the holy books are clear on what they mean, it doesn't matter the interpretation you give to it, what's important is what the books says. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: What Is Religious Extremism? Difference Between Moderate And Extreme. by Nobody: 8:22pm On Nov 15, 2017 |
Fekwa:Muhammed himself was a terrorist, a Jihadist, and Muslims are supposed to establish an Islamic Caliphate wherever they might be, and live by Sharia Law, because they shouldn't be living in societies governed and ruled by infidels and their impious VALUES. Are you saying it is wrong for Muslims to emulate their prophet, the highest examplar of "virtue"? And if Holy Books are not to be read literally as meaning exactly what is written, who then decides the non-literal meanings of the verses? Anyone can just project their own beliefs on it and interpret it through that prism. It becomes a free for all---it can mean anything to anyone; whatever they want it to mean. If some verses are only of HISTORICAL RELEVANCE, why were they included in a "timeless" book like the Quran, Allah's eternal and final message to the entire human race, that coexists with him in heaven? It only stands to reason that if the exact circumstances that necessitated those verses were to arise again in the modern age, then they're to apply the commandments given in those verses once again! THAT'S WHY THEY'RE THERE IN THE PERFECT, INFALLIBLE HOLY QUR'AN IN THE FIRST PLACE. 7 Likes |
Re: What Is Religious Extremism? Difference Between Moderate And Extreme. by mujahid777(m): 8:39pm On Nov 15, 2017 |
Martinez19:A Muslim who doesn't take the Qur'an literally is a kaffir! |
Re: What Is Religious Extremism? Difference Between Moderate And Extreme. by Rashduct4luv(m): 8:40pm On Nov 15, 2017 |
Fekwa: You made sense! |
Re: What Is Religious Extremism? Difference Between Moderate And Extreme. by Martinez19(m): 8:54pm On Nov 15, 2017 |
mujahid777:if the Qur'an is to be taken literally, so be it. I am for taking it as it is. If taking it literally means taking it as it is, so be it. What I am against is dubious interpretation by the so called apologist. 4 Likes |
Re: What Is Religious Extremism? Difference Between Moderate And Extreme. by mujahid777(m): 8:59pm On Nov 15, 2017 |
Martinez19:What 'dubious interpretation' by apologists. |
Re: What Is Religious Extremism? Difference Between Moderate And Extreme. by Fekwa(f): 9:00pm On Nov 15, 2017 |
ZandhaZaraZ: But you seem to be focusing on just the bad aspects of the Quran. The same Quran has in it other verses which are benign and are in direct contradiction to the relatively bad verses that influence and animate extremist ideologies. So, if going by what you say that every muslim should adhere to the literal meaning of the verses, then it would be practically impossible for anyone to be a sane devotee of Islam because they'd essentially be forced to abide by verses that contradict each other. At the end of the day it all boils down to interpretation. There has to be some form of picking and choosing and concerted effort into deeper understanding, and I believe that's what the institution of Islamic theology and scholarship addresses. |
Re: What Is Religious Extremism? Difference Between Moderate And Extreme. by Martinez19(m): 9:27pm On Nov 15, 2017 |
ZandhaZaraZ:Gbam! ![]() |
Re: What Is Religious Extremism? Difference Between Moderate And Extreme. by Martinez19(m): 9:30pm On Nov 15, 2017 |
Fekwa:when will you ever get it? People's interpretation is not important. What is important is what the holy book actually says. Terrorism is a pillar of Islam. 4 Likes |
Re: What Is Religious Extremism? Difference Between Moderate And Extreme. by Nobody: 9:36pm On Nov 15, 2017 |
Fekwa:Of course, there are contradictions, and that's where the problem lies. But the Quran is NOT the only thing a Muslim follows. It's both the Quran AND Sunnah (Hadith and Muhammad's lifestyle). So, none of it is inconsistent with the ideology and comportment of the Jihadists. Plus, many of the benign verses are for relation BETWEEN Muslims---for virtuous behavior and comportment WITHIN Islam, and there are usually CONDITIONS attached, whenever Allah recommends them towards infidels. |
Re: What Is Religious Extremism? Difference Between Moderate And Extreme. by Rashduct4luv(m): 11:44am On Nov 16, 2017 |
ZandhaZaraZ: You made sense! |
Re: What Is Religious Extremism? Difference Between Moderate And Extreme. by Rashduct4luv(m): 11:50am On Nov 16, 2017 |
I think you guys err when you study the Qur'an without its appropriate interpretation. Some verses can be correctly interpreted literally, some you need hadiths to interprete and some may require interpreting verses of the Qur'an with another verse(s) of the Qur'an. We need deep knowledge to understand Islam as the people it was revealed to understood it. |
Re: What Is Religious Extremism? Difference Between Moderate And Extreme. by Martinez19(m): 12:09pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
Rashduct4luv:bullshit. The same way christians will say that you need the holy spirit to understand the bible when anybody can read it and understand. 5 Likes |
Re: What Is Religious Extremism? Difference Between Moderate And Extreme. by Nobody: 12:13pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
Rashduct4luv:Thank you. ![]() |
Re: What Is Religious Extremism? Difference Between Moderate And Extreme. by Rashduct4luv(m): 12:41pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
Martinez19: Who is talking about the holy spirit? The Qur'an was revealed to people in a language about 1400 years ago. The traditions as at then would not be the same as found today. The English language in Shakespeare was applauded some years back but its archaic today! We still have to go back to the way those who heard the message of the Qur'an understood it. |
Re: What Is Religious Extremism? Difference Between Moderate And Extreme. by Rashduct4luv(m): 12:42pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
mujahid777: Says who? |
Re: What Is Religious Extremism? Difference Between Moderate And Extreme. by Nobody: 12:47pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
Rashduct4luv:The Qur'an is an ETERNAL, TIMELESS book that isn't perculiar to its time, according to Allah himself. It has co-existed with him in heaven forever. The message is clear. It is allegedly the work of a perfect, infallible creator; you can't compare it with the works of Shakespeare, a human. 3 Likes |
Re: What Is Religious Extremism? Difference Between Moderate And Extreme. by Martinez19(m): 1:30pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
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Re: What Is Religious Extremism? Difference Between Moderate And Extreme. by Rashduct4luv(m): 2:26pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
Kaderayayomikun: I am not comparing. Just trying to explain myself with what was available yesterday but not today! |
Re: What Is Religious Extremism? Difference Between Moderate And Extreme. by Nobody: 2:33pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
Rashduct4luv:Are you saying some parts of the Qur'an are no longer valid and applicable today? That they're archaic and outdated? That certain rules that applied to the Muslims of the past do not apply to the Muslims of today? Has Islam changed? Does Islam evolve? 2 Likes |
Re: What Is Religious Extremism? Difference Between Moderate And Extreme. by Rashduct4luv(m): 2:51pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
Kaderayayomikun: Where did i say such? Who is talking about the holy spirit? The Qur'an was revealed to people in a language about 1400 years ago. (Even a native speaker of Arabic can still erroneously interpret the Qur'an) The traditions as at then would not be the same as found today. The English language in Shakespeare was applauded some years back but it is archaic today! In Summary: We still have to go back to the way those who heard the message of the Qur'an understood it. |
Re: What Is Religious Extremism? Difference Between Moderate And Extreme. by Nobody: 2:52pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
Rashduct4luv:And how possible is that? |
Re: What Is Religious Extremism? Difference Between Moderate And Extreme. by Rashduct4luv(m): 3:00pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
Kaderayayomikun: Go back for Arabic & Islamic studies (Madrasah that teaches such) |
Re: What Is Religious Extremism? Difference Between Moderate And Extreme. by Martinez19(m): 4:26pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
Kaderayayomikun:Are you minding Rashduct4luv? ![]() 1) did the Qur'an not say that non-Muslims should be killed is sighted by a muslim. 2) is death not the penalty for apostasy? 3) is Mohammed not a paedophile who tailored Islam to accommodate paedophilia? 4) is it a crime, according to the Qur'an, for a muslim to kill non-Muslims? Many a times, when asked on TV if they support bombings and killings, the apologists and moderates won't say no instead they try to skip the question. They are all over YouTube. 3 Likes |
Re: What Is Religious Extremism? Difference Between Moderate And Extreme. by Niflheim(m): 4:33pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
@Martinez19, You are so correct!!! The true muslim is the guy that CNN refers to as "deranged maniac"!!! He stones women, and beheads individuals as though his favourite book when he was a child was "THE HEADLESS HORSEMAN"!!! 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: What Is Religious Extremism? Difference Between Moderate And Extreme. by Martinez19(m): 4:39pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
Niflheim:the moderates are the hypocritical shit heads who don't know and practice their doctrines. May Allah forgive them. ![]() 4 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: What Is Religious Extremism? Difference Between Moderate And Extreme. by mmsen: 4:41pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
mujahid777: Such as claiming Jihad means "struggle" when it has meant war (or genocide) for centuries before now. 6 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: What Is Religious Extremism? Difference Between Moderate And Extreme. by Nobody: 4:52pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
Martinez19:When a Muslim says "fanatics do not represent our religion," what does this actually mean? What religion do these maniacs represent, then? Afterall, they often quote passages from the Qur'an itself before they strike, so they are obviously studying the same literature as "moderate" Muslims. The difference is, they are willing to act on these grotesque teachings and moderates are not. Though moderates will scream all day about how extremists do not represent them, do they ever actually seek to explain how that's the case... Or do they merely give us buzz-quotes, saying things like "Islam is peaceful. Mohammed is peaceful. Islam is love," and so forth? A "moderate" Muslim caught defending Islam should be asked one simple question: Is the Qur'an perfect? If they say "no," then they are openly admitting that Islam has errors, hence cannot be the word of God, hence Mohammed was a false prophet, hence they are following a false faith, a total lie. They literally cannot say no. If they say "yes," then they are endorsing the nauseating passages in the Qur'an as being perfect, the everlasting message God chose to leave humanity with. The moderate will usually say that the quotes are being taken "out of context." But, what possible fücking context could there be to justify all those bloodthirsty garbage? 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: What Is Religious Extremism? Difference Between Moderate And Extreme. by Rashduct4luv(m): 4:59pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
Martinez19: I don't care whatever the majority of non-muslims say. What i can authentically say from Qur'an and hadith is that: 1) the Qur'an did not say that non-Muslims should be killed when sighted by Muslims. 2) death is the penalty for apostasy only in a full Islamic country? 3)Mohammad (salallahu alayhi wa salam) was never a paedophile as none of his contemporary enemies call him that except nowadays' immoral nincompoops? 4) it is a crime, according to the Qur'an and Sunnah, for a Muslim to kill non-Muslims. |
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