Kaderayayomikun:
When a Muslim says "fanatics do not represent our religion," what does this actually mean? What religion do these maniacs represent, then? Afterall, they often quote passages from the Qur'an itself before they strike, so they are obviously studying the same literature as "moderate" Muslims. The difference is, they are willing to act on these grotesque teachings and moderates are not.

Though moderates will scream all day about how extremists do not represent them, do they ever actually seek to explain how that's the case... Or do they merely give us buzz-quotes, saying thing like "Islam is peaceful. Mohammed is peacegul. Islam is love," and so forth?

A "moderate" Muslim caught defending Islam should be asked one simple question: Is the Qur'an perfect? If they say "no," then they are openly admitting that Islam has errors, hence cannot be the word of God, hence Mohammed was a false prophet, hence they are following a false faith, a total lie. They literally cannot say no. If they say "yes," then they are endorsing the nauseating passages in the Qur'an as being perfect, the everlasting message God chose to leave humanity with.

The moderate will usually say that the quotes are being taken "out of context." But, what possible fücking context could there be to justify all those bloodthirsty garbage?

What if i quote this from Numbers 31:17-18:

Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. And this was from God from the Bible!

Have you ever heard of Christian Terrorist? of cos they exist but the media always malign Islam.

This is what i have been saying. Each verse of the Qur'an need to be understood as the people it was revealed to the first time understood it.

Kaderayayomikun:
When a Muslim says "fanatics do not represent our religion," what does this actually mean? What religion do these maniacs represent, then? Afterall, they often quote passages from the Qur'an itself before they strike, so they are obviously studying the same literature as "moderate" Muslims. The difference is, they are willing to act on these grotesque teachings and moderates are not.

Though moderates will scream all day about how extremists do not represent them, do they ever actually seek to explain how that's the case... Or do they merely give us buzz-quotes, saying thing like "Islam is peaceful. Mohammed is peacegul. Islam is love," and so forth?

A "moderate" Muslim caught defending Islam should be asked one simple question: Is the Qur'an perfect? If they say "no," then they are openly admitting that Islam has errors, hence cannot be the word of God, hence Mohammed was a false prophet, hence they are following a false faith, a total lie. They literally cannot say no. If they say "yes," then they are endorsing the nauseating passages in the Qur'an as being perfect, the everlasting message God chose to leave humanity with.

The moderate will usually say that the quotes are being taken "out of context." But, what possible fücking context could there be to justify all those bloodthirsty garbage?

the terrorists and moderate are both guilty of support the terrorist ideology even the terrorist takes action where as the moderate does not. There is a saying in England, the terrorists want to cut your head and the moderates will be happy to see it get done.

Your post is on point.

Rashduct4luv:


What if i quote this from Numbers 31:17-18:

Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. And this was from God from the Bible! Have you ever heard of Christian Terrorist? of cos they exist but the media always malign Islam.

This is what i have been saying. Each verse of the Qur'an need to be understood as the people it was revealed to the first time understood it.

This is a directive for the Jews, not for Christians, and it was PERCULIAR to a PARTICULAR battle, not like the other vile verses that were explicitly stated as a part of the law. This is NARRATION, not commandment. The Quran has verses like that too.

But the wicked LAWS in the Bible should be read literally as well, and acknowledged for the evil rubbish they are.

Christians hide under the claim that Christ has ABOLISHED these laws to excuse themselves from practicing such evil.

mmsen:


Such as claiming Jihad means "struggle" when it has meant war (or genocide) for centuries before now.

Jihad means struggle.War could also be part of it.

mujahid777:

Jihad means struggle.War could also be part of it.

War is the bulk of it.

These new aged apologists claim that it isn't despite the reality of Islamic history.

Without violence Islam would not have spread.

mmsen:


War is the bulk of it.

These new aged apologists claim that it isn't despite the reality of Islamic history.

Without violence Islam would not have spread.

There is Jihad al-nafs,the Jihad against our lower desires,and jihad al-Shaytaan,the Jihad against the insinuations of satans.
Inevitably,all Muslims are constantly engaging in such a battle.The war aspect lies within the realms of the Islamic state;Obviously,it doesn't constitute it's bulk.
Can you elucidate more on your last statement

Why wont the Quran be difficult to interprete(and understand), when its chant they chant the Quran from right to left, with one hand covering one ear, then the head moving back and forth. They have to depend on their mallams to interprete.. And the mallam, being a hateful person will tell them that

WHAT ALLAH IS SAYING IN THIS VERSE IS THAT IF YOU BLOW UP THAT PLACE, HE WILL GIVE U 72 VIRGINS IN JANNAH

That is why we have pple still blowing theirselves up.
If time permits me, I would share how the pple in d north are brainwashed.. Did u guys know some pple summon demons, using the Holy Book? Thats story for anoda day...
Peace..

Rashduct4luv:
I think you guys err when you study the Qur'an without its appropriate interpretation. Some verses can be correctly interpreted literally, some you need hadiths to interprete and some may require interpreting verses of the Qur'an with another verse(s) of the Qur'an. We need deep knowledge to understand Islam as the people it was revealed to understood it.

mujahid777:

There is Jihad al-nafs,the Jihad against our lower desires,and jihad al-Shaytaan,the Jihad against the insinuations of satans.
Inevitably,all Muslims are constantly engaging in such a battle.The war aspect lies within the realms of the Islamic state;Obviously,it doesn't constitute it's bulk.
Can you elucidate more on your last statement

Those 'jihads' are qualified by their appendices. 'Jihad' on its own usually refers to war.

Without violently robbing the caravans destined for Mecca the early Muslims could not have sustained themselves.

Without the wars of conquest Islam would not have spread to other parts of the Middle East, north Africa, south eastern Europe and central Asia.

Without violence Islam would not have spread to northern Nigeria.

Islam and violence are (at the very least) first cousins, if not fraternal twins.

Let them know...

mmsen:


Those 'jihads' are qualified by their appendices. 'Jihad' on its own usually refers to war.

Without violently robbing the caravans destined for Mecca the early Muslims could not have sustained themselves.

Without the wars of conquest Islam would not have spread to other parts of the Middle East, north Africa, south eastern Europe and central Asia.

Without violence Islam would not have spread to northern Nigeria.

Islam and violence are (at the very least) first cousins, if not fraternal twins.

mmsen:


Those 'jihads' are qualified by their appendices. 'Jihad' on its own usually refers to war.

Without violently robbing the caravans destined for Mecca the early Muslims could not have sustained themselves.

Without the wars of conquest Islam would not have spread to other parts of the Middle East, north Africa, south eastern Europe and central Asia.

Without violence Islam would not have spread to northern Nigeria.

Islam and violence are (at the very least) first cousins, if not fraternal twins.

Islam was NEVER spread with forced conversions like you are falsely trying to imply-thats a clear historical fact.
Yes,many Muslim nations were conquered by Arabs who ,naturally,will bring their religion along;just the same way most present day xtain nations were conquered by European powers whose influence led to the influx of xtianity.It took centuries for those countries to become Muslim majority.
Jihad,when in reference to war is called ghazwa.You're intent on trying to paint it evil by giving it the violence tag

mujahid777:

Islam was NEVER spread with forced conversions like you are falsely trying to imply-thats a clear historical fact.
Yes,many Muslim nations were conquered by Arabs who ,naturally,will bring their religion along;just the same way most present day xtain nations were conquered by European powers whose influence led to the influx of xtianity.It took centuries for those countries to become Muslim majority.
Jihad,when in reference to war is called ghazwa.You're intent on trying to paint it evil by giving it the violence tag

Two contradictory statements.

Conquering people suggests violence and threats of violence.

And you cannot justify the evil of Muslims by bringing up the evil done by xtians. Both are repugnant.

mmsen:


Those 'jihads' are qualified by their appendices. 'Jihad' on its own usually refers to war.

Without violently robbing the caravans destined for Mecca the early Muslims could not have sustained themselves.

Without the wars of conquest Islam would not have spread to other parts of the Middle East, north Africa, south eastern Europe and central Asia.

Without violence Islam would not have spread to northern Nigeria.

Islam and violence are (at the very least) first cousins, if not fraternal twins.

Islam was NEVER spread with forced conversions like you are falsely trying to imply-thats a clear historical fact.
Yes,many Muslim nations were conquered by Arabs who ,naturally,will bring their religion along;just the same way most present day xtain nations were conquered by European powers whose influence led to the influx of xtianity.It took centuries for those countries to become Muslim majority.

Jihad,when in reference to war is called ghazwa,and yes,that is the pinnacle of worship.You're intent on trying to paint it evil by giving it the violence tag.The war which took hitler out was violent,the ones in contemporary times,such as those against bokoharam are also violent.
If you find anything wrong with the war aspect of Jihad,then simply and precisely outline them out.Equivocally tagging it as violence clearly shows a malicious intention.

Martinez19:
the terrorists and moderate are both guilty of support the terrorist ideology even the terrorist takes action where as the moderate does not. There is a saying in England, the terrorists want to cut your head and the moderates will be happy to see it get done.

Your post is on point.

Exactly, bruh. Many of the so-called moderates are hypocrites who pretend to be peaceful and tolerant, while secretly rejoicing and applauding the horror being perpetrated by the terrorists. These ones are even WORSE than the extremists - while the extremists are obviously vile and hated by all, the moderates are insidiously evil snakes.

Tozara:
Exactly, bruh. Many of the so-called moderates are hypocrites who pretend to be peaceful and tolerant, while secretly rejoicing and applauding the horror being perpetrated by the terrorists. These ones are even WORSE than the extremists - while the extremists are obviously vile and hated by all, the moderates are insidiously evil snakes.

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But Martin, why you con dey use kissing emoji?

Ignore me y'all I just came to laugh at tozara
LMAO why are you asking? Loooolll

Tozara:
Lol. I'm male na, and he's a guy.

Good morning. How was your night?

So? How come females don't see any big deal in using kiss emojis but males do, but let's not derail this thread,

Good morning, I'm good, my night was fine, how was yours?

The fact that violent muslims are struggling is enough to let them know that their Allah is imaginary. How can you be fighting for God and be losing all the time?

Daeylar:


So? How come females don't see any big deal in using kiss emojis but males do, but let's not derail this thread,

Good morning, I'm good, my night was fine, how was yours?

Lol. I was just kidding, 'cause this is probably the first time someone is using it on me. It came off as new, hence the amusement. I'm sure he knows I was joking.

I'm good.

Tozara:
Lol. I was just kidding, 'cause this is probably the first time someone is using it on me. It came off as new, hence the amusement. I'm sure he knows I was joking.

I'm good.

I'm just joking too dear, lol, I made it clear that I just came to troll you LMAO

Oya take kiss hope you won't say anything about this?

Don't mind me I'm just joking

Sorry for derailing op I won't do it again

mmsen:


Those 'jihads' are qualified by their appendices. 'Jihad' on its own usually refers to war.

Without violently robbing the caravans destined for Mecca the early Muslims could not have sustained themselves.

Without the wars of conquest Islam would not have spread to other parts of the Middle East, north Africa, south eastern Europe and central Asia.

Without violence Islam would not have spread to northern Nigeria.

Islam and violence are (at the very least) first cousins, if not fraternal twins.

Lol. The guy is right. Jihad doesn't always mean violence, neither is violence the bulk of it. The violence part is within the realm of the state, but of course, if you're living among infidels that have contempt for Islam and the way of life Allah has mandated, it's incumbent on you as Muslims to establish an Islamic State that follows Islamic teachings, and convert the infidels to Islam, or have them face the wrath of Allah for their evil and iniquitous ways.

Daeylar:


I'm just joking too dear, lol, I made it clear that I just came to troll you LMAO

Oya take kiss hope you won't say anything about this?

Don't mind me I'm just joking

Sorry for derailing op I won't do it again

Of course, I'll gladly take the kiss. I can't have enough of it.



Don't worry about the thread. He can't complain. Right, Martinez19?

Tozara:
Lol. The guy is right. Jihad doesn't always mean violence, neither is violence the bulk of it. The violence part is within the realm of the state, but of course, if you're living among infidels that have contempt for Islam and the way of life Allah has mandated, it's incumbent on you as Muslims to establish an Islamic State that follows Islamic teachings, and convert the infidels to Islam, or have them face the wrath of Allah for their evil and iniquitous ways.

You claim that the point is wrong then support the very same argument with your comment.

Can you see that?

Re-read what you wrote please and you will come to see that you have agreed with the comment that you quoted.

Islam and violence go hand in hand, you have just admitted so.

This is a directive for the Jews, not for Christians, and it was PERCULIAR to a PARTICULAR battle, not like the other vile verses that were explicitly stated as a part of the law. This is NARRATION, not commandment. The Quran has verses like that too.

But the wicked LAWS in the Bible should be read literally as well, and acknowledged for the evil rubbish they are.

Christians hide under the claim that Christ has ABOLISHED these laws to excuse themselves from practicing such evil.

Jesus said in Matt 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to[b] abolish the Law or the Prophets[/b]; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

Whenever we read a text from the Qur'an, we should try and look out for the application together with the settings and it's environment.

Some laws are general, some are applicable only when the Muslims are under one leader, etc!

mmsen:


You claim that the point is wrong then support the very same argument with your comment.

Can you see that?

Re-read what you wrote please and you will come to see that you have agreed with the comment that you quoted.

Islam and violence go hand in hand, you have just admitted so.

Lol. I was just pointing out that Jihad doesn't always mean violence. A Muslim's personal spiritual journey and inner struggles, as well as moral struggles with his neighbour are also a part of Jihad. But, of course, I'm not contesting the FACT that Islam goes hand in hand with violence. Muhammad's behaviour, his words, as well as the history of the religion itself, demonstrate that truth.

sorextee:
Why wont the Quran be difficult to interprete(and understand), when its chant they chant the Quran from right to left, with one hand covering one ear, then the head moving back and forth. They have to depend on their mallams to interprete.. And the mallam, being a hateful person will tell them that
That is why we have pple still blowing theirselves up.
If time permits me, I would share how the pple in d north are brainwashed.. Did u guys know some pple summon demons, using the Holy Book? Thats story for anoda day...
Peace..

First and foremost, i can say you are not a good statistician! How can you judge Islam based on the north only when we have millions of Muslims in other parts? Do you mean not even one of the Millions of Muslims outside the north can blow himself up?

It does not Matter if i keep explaining to you, i know you stance wont change. You have a bad attitude towards Islam and only Allah is the changer of Hearts.

It is forbidden in Islam to commit suicide. If you want to really know more, type on google "Islamic ruling of suicide'' and you will see.

People spread false rumor and gullible people believe it without concrete evidence!

Niflheim:
@Martinez19,


You are so correct!!! The true muslim is the guy that CNN refers to as "deranged maniac"!!! He stones women, and beheads individuals as though his favourite book when he was a child was "THE HEADLESS HORSEMAN"!!!

Even if CNN give you trash about your family, i know you would swallow it hook, line and sinker without appropriate investigation.

But Muslims are not your family rather your enemy!

CNN is infallible right?

Whenever I comment on any Islamic post, I always give credits and shout out to the Muslims in d south and berate some of my Muslim folks in the north. At least, I once said it that theres no way a Muslim from d south will blow himself up.. Im not against Islam, but against the activities by some Muslims in d core north, What they do, using religion as an umbrella... I shared some of dem in some Islamic posts here..

Im from d north and ive seen so many things that the mouth cannot say. Or even if I say it, u guys in d south wont even bliv it.

Rashduct4luv:


First and foremost, i can say you are not a good statistician! How can you judge Islam based on the north only when we have millions of Muslims in other parts? Do you mean not even one of the Millions of Muslims outside the north can blow himself up?

It does not Matter if i keep explaining to you, i know you stance wont change. You have a bad attitude towards Islam and only Allah is the changer of Hearts.

It is forbidden in Islam to commit suicide. If you want to really know more, type on google "Islamic ruling of suicide'' and you will see.

People spread false rumor and gullible people believe it without concrete evidence!

Tozara:
Of course, I'll gladly take the kiss. I can't have enough of it.



Don't worry about the thread. He can't complain. Right, Martinez19?

I won't complain.

Tozara:
Exactly, bruh. Many of the so-called moderates are hypocrites who pretend to be peaceful and tolerant, while secretly rejoicing and applauding the horror being perpetrated by the terrorists. These ones are even WORSE than the extremists - while the extremists are obviously vile and hated by all, the moderates are insidiously evil snakes.

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But Martin, why you con dey use kissing emoji?

your post made super sense and I was impressed that's why I used the kissing emoji.

sorextee:
Whenever I comment on any Islamic post, I always give credits and shout out to the Muslims in d south and berate some of my Muslim folks in the north. At least, I once said it that theres no way a Muslim from d south will blow himself up.. Im not against Islam, but against the activities by some Muslims in d core north, What they do, using religion as an umbrella... I shared some of dem in some Islamic posts here..

Im from d north and ive seen so many things that the mouth cannot say. Or even if I say it, u guys in d south wont even bliv it.

It doesn't matter whatever they do in the name of religion. What matters is if the religion truly permits such...

Rashduct4luv:

Jesus said in Matt 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

Whenever we read a text from the Qur'an, we should try and look out for the application together with the settings and it's environment.

Some laws are general, some are applicable only when the Muslims are under one leader, etc!

Lol. The Bible is full of as much contradictions as the Quran. Both are protean books that give room for all sort of comportments and values, ranging from bad to good, right to wrong, appealing to despicable. Each sect will find quotations and verses to support their adopted position, hence the reason for confusion and chaos within these religions. That's what contradictions in Holy Books lead to. Dishing out different teachings and messages simultenously. Such protean books of many colors!!!!

The Christians claim the the Old Testament belongs to the Old Covenant in the old dispensation, even though Jesus claimed he hadn't come to abolish the laws and the prophets. But these clowns will reference the Old Testament to point out why paying your tithe is COMPULSORY. You tell them that Jesus' ideology of pacifism FORBIDS a Christian from being a soldier, and the clowns start referencing David, Saul, Solomon, and Joshua in the OLD TESTAMENT, all of whom were Jews, not Christians.

ALL ABRAHAMISTS ARE CONFUSED BECAUSE THEIR HOLY BOOKS WERE WRITTEN BY INCONSISTENT, CONFUSED CRETINS.

Burn the useless books and kill off the worthless religions, so that y'all can enter the modern age fully as complete human beings.

Martinez19:
I won't complain.