2pacamarushakur:


Oga, can you tell me why many men of God find it difficult to quote the book of Deut 14:22-27. Why would they lay emphasis on Malachi

Will you say that before the time of Jesus, because the Bible advocated the stoning of fornicators, that you will continue to do so? One comes before the other.

If you don't wish to pay tithes, then don't. Eat your tithes. But do not twist the Bible to represent what you feel you like better.

Otherwise we would still have people that stone others to death if it suits them and it's recorded.

nairanaira12:



You too should read
Deuteronomy 14 : 22-27.

You and your family should eat your tithe. You can also give to others including a pastor.

That is not the tithe Jesus Christ was referring to in Matt 23:23 when he said ....You pay tithe of everything but neglect the more important matter of justice ...if you have not paid your worker but paying tithe you have neglected justice because he is worthy of his wage



And Heb 7:8 says here men that die collects tithe but is receive of him that is acknowledged liveth forever

hardasan:


Please enlighten me on the currency used during the biblical days.
Please state where the bible said it's the exccess that should be put in the storehouse

Why did Ananias lie? Because he knows that the Apostles will tell him to bring the balance and he can't give excuses.
At least you didn't deny that the apostles were supposed to receive all the money gotten from the sales of the land or any possession or salary of the church members.

Where is the barn where you will put cooked food and it won't spoil.
Before I forget, please tell us where God chose that I eat my tithe for the past 10yrs, let me do cross country picnic

You are simply waisting your time in explaining the need to pay Tithe.

You can't convince people who have had their mind made up.

I scan through the whole Bible and can't find anywhere where God a accuses his own of 'robbing ' him.

While I understand why people are generally angry with all these flamboyant Pastors but that will never stop me to do what is right in the sight of God.

I pay Tithe to the church not to Pastor and in a sane church. Pastors should be on salary.

If God give me the grace, I will even do more and more for gospel.

That's why I love Anglican church, no one is being forced, coerced or cursed to ensure payment of tithes.
The Reverends don't even have access to the church money or tithe without meeting with a representative body of the church.



Proudly Anglican!

uyplus:


In verse 26

But it say you must eat it in the house of god like you Christians call it, not in your house

nairanaira12:


Still, that place didn't support giving tithe to your pastor.

Stop going round in a circle. Giving pastor your tithe is not biblical.

who were they giving it to in that place

Themandator:



That is not the tithe Jesus Christ was referring to in Matt 23:23 when he said ....You pay tithe of everything but neglect the more important matter of justice ...if you have not paid your worker but paying tithe you have neglected justice because he is worthy of his wage



And Heb 7:8 says here men that die collects tithe but is receive of him that is acknowledged liveth forever

So, there are different types of tithe? You are fooling yourself.

My simple question is this?

We as Christian, we follow the steps and doctrine, and teachings of Jesus Christ.

Did Jesus Pay Tithe?
Did He command or mandate us to pay Tithe?

More like it are the Apostles/Disciples. Did any of them pay Tithe?
Did they preach Tithe?

In Acts Chapter 2, we have the account of how the apostles was running their affairs and welfare.
Every one brought according to how he has. Nobody was coerced, cajoled, threatened, brainwashed.
They brought because they saw the need of the people of God and transparency of the Apostles. and everyone's basic needs was met
In church today, there are classes. Needs are not met. There are pauper and people with genuine needs while some are living in luxury

Today's Christianity needs to be sincere and go back to the ancient landmark.

plainbibletruth:


Jesus said they were tithing AGRICULTURAL PRODUCE and even then as show-off.

Do you hardasan tithe agricultural produce today? NO!

Do you EMPHASIZE the weightier matters over and above tithing today? NO!

So, where did you get what you claim to be doing today as TITHING?

CERTAINLY NOT from Jesus.

Those in some rural areas still tithe with farm products till tomorrow.

Themandator:
I didn't cherry pick ...I am pointing out that your statement that tithe is on crop and not and never money doesn't hold water .... if it was in crop or produce of the land then the passage won't move to say ...so ther might be meat in mine house but would have read...so that might be all manners of land produce in mine house

Then when Jesus addressed his disciples before sending them out on evangelism he said they should not take shoe, coat that every labourer is worthy of his meat ....they ought t have asked him about clothes since meat is not same as coat or shoe. .....as the apostles preached Jesus expected their needs to be met by their new convert when he stated that every labourer was worthy of their hire .... God would use their peolel to pay them whatever their need was

You see, it is a word play. Bring ye all the tithe ....that mine House maybe full.....so that every need in mine house can be met without begging or gimmicks

Malachi 3 that has been used to intimidate and bully the sheeple into hell fire is addressed to priests (Levites) who were stealing from the part of tithes they were given along with strangers, orphans and widows as stipulated in Deuteronomy 14, which also clearly states that tithes are not money.

Malachi 1 King James Version (KJV)

6 A son honoureth his father, and a servant his master: if then I be a father, where is mine honour? and if I be a master, where is my fear? saith the Lord of hosts unto you, O priests, that despise my name. And ye say, Wherein have we despised thy name?

7 Ye offer polluted bread upon mine altar; and ye say, Wherein have we polluted thee? In that ye say, The table of the Lord is contemptible.

8 And if ye offer the blind for sacrifice, is it not evil? and if ye offer the lame and sick, is it not evil? offer it now unto thy governor; will he be pleased with thee, or accept thy person? saith the Lord of hosts.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Malachi+1&version=KJV

AkieWillis:
That's why I love Anglican church, no one is being forced, coerced or cursed to ensure payment of tithes.
The Reverends don't even have access to the church money or tithe without meeting with a representative body of the church.



Proudly Anglican!

A more important matter is been discussed and you Focus is how it is done in your church ...tithe is It to be or not ....justify your stand with scripture

Themandator:



who were they giving it to in that place

Deuteronomy says eat your tithe

PointZerom:



Since the money wasn't for the apostles, how were the apostles taking care of their families?.

I meant the money was not for the apostle alone it was for the whole Christian community.
Apostles like Paul worked for his upkeep.

bfmconcepts:
My simple question is this?

We a Christian, we follow the steps and doctrine, and teachings of Jesus Christ.

Did Jesus Pay Tithe?
Did He command or mandate us to pay Tithe?

More like it are the Apostles/Disciples. Did any of them pay Tithe?
Did they preach Tithe?

In Acts Chapter 2, we have the account of how the apostles was running their affairs and welfare.
Every one brought according to how he has. Nobody was coerced, cajoled, threatened, brainwashed.
They brought because they saw the need of the people of God and transparency of the Apostles. and everyone's basic needs was met
In church today, there are classes. Needs are not met. There are pauper and people with genuine needs while some are living in luxury

Today's Christianity needs to be sincere and go back to the ancient landmark.

Did Jesus marry?

Did his apostles divorce their wives?

Where did Jesus commanded OUTRIGHTLY that paying tithe is a sin?

Did they preach against tithe?.

Themandator:



A more important matter is been discussed and you Focus is how it is done in your church ...tithe is It to be or not ....justify your stand with scripture

I biblical reference has been rightly stated by the Op which I totally agree with... my point is that my church doesn't curse any for tithe to be paid. shikena!

Gggg102:

I meant the money was not for the apostle alone it was for the whole Christian community.









Apostles like Paul worked for his upkeep.

How did apostle Paul work for his up-keep?

The death and resurrection of Jesus Christ fufilled (ended the era of) The Law.

The mandatory payment of a tenth (tithe) of one's increase is purely a component of The Law, together with animal sacrifices and all the other numerous strange and impossible components.

Any preacher today who still preaches that it is mandatory to pay 10% (a component of The Law) is simply saying that Christ's death has not fulfillled The Law.

anonimi:


Paying of tithes in FARM products as stated in the Luke passage you quoted and Deuteronomy 14 that is comprehensive WAS not negotiable while Jesus was yet to FULFILL the law on the Cross of Calvary.
Do you understand or do you need further explanation?

So tithe is made for farmers only. Is that what you are saying?
Now im not forcing anyone to, but whatever is ur product that you need to bring for there to meet in the lord's house bring it. That is accounted for ur tithe. You can convert that your product to money, farm product or the church can choose to. Just give the equivalent.

MrPristine:
It's the bible that called it annulment not me and it's wrong of you to amend what God has annulled.
That's rebellion.

...........which leads to hell fire and eternal condemnation.

hardasan:

Or why the Holy Ghost killed Ananias and Sapphira for keeping part of the money gotten from the sales of their own land in Acts ch 5 vs 1 - 11 if God doesn't care about our tithes and offerings.

3-4 Peter said, “Ananias, how did Satan get you to lie to the Holy Spirit and secretly keep back part of the price of the field? Before you sold it, it was all yours, and after you sold it, the money was yours to do with as you wished. So what got into you to pull a trick like this? You didn’t lie to men but to God.” THE MESSAGE ACTS 5:3-4

3 Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? 4 Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God.” NIV ACTS 5:3-4

From the highlighted statements,it shows that the money was of ananias' free will ....in other words,it was voluntary and not mandatory!

As for the other scripture quotes,there is nothing much to add because its the same scriptures from the law of moses that is still being quoted where tithes are given to the levites!!

The real question is where in the scriptures pastors and ministers of the gospel instructed or ordained to take tithes from believers of the new covenant?

Where in the scriptures are pastors and ministers now the new levites according to tithers?

These are the real questions that deserve scriptures not the over laboured and depressing quotation of malachi 3:10-12 that is also linked to Deutronomy 14:22-29 or numbers 18:20

I await scriptures....

obailala:
The death and resurrection of Jesus Christ fufilled (ended the era of) The Law.

The mandatory payment of a tenth (tithe) of one's increase is purely a component of The Law, together with animal sacrifices and all the other numerous strange and impossible components.

Any preacher today who still preaches that it is mandatory to pay 10% (a component of The Law) is simply saying that Christ's death has not fulfillled The Law.

Please can you support the bolded with scriptural backup Or did you just assume that?

chisco82:
So tithe is made for farmers only. Is that what you are saying?
Now im not forcing anyone to, but whatever is ur product that you need to bring for there to meet in the lord's house bring it. That is accounted for ur tithe. You can convert that your product to money, farm product or the church can choose to. Just give the equivalent.

I am not like you, bro.
I don't say anything of my own. I simply repeat what the Bible said in Deuteronomy 14, at which time there were Jews involved in non-farming activities.
If you want to argue with the Bible, you are On Your Own- OYO.

PointZerom:



Did Jesus marry?

Did his apostles divorce their wives?

Where did Jesus commanded OUTRIGHTLY that paying tithe is a sin?

Did they preach against tithe?.

Jesus didnt speak against tithing because at the time He was on earth, 'The Mosaic Law' was still in operation; 'The Law' was fulfilled by the death and resurrection. The instructions given to the New Coventant church and the Gentile churches (under which Nigeria falls) on giving is conveyed in 2Cor 9:7,

"Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver."

The last time I checked, if a mandatory percentage (10%) is attached to what a person must give to be in the good books of God, then that is no longer free-will giving but compulsion, and it negates the teaching in the verse above.

Any preacher who teaches that paying 10% is mandatory, and then refers to scriptures concerning the Mosaic Laws, that preacher is simply saying Christ hasnt fulfilled the law.

PointZerom:


How did apostle Paul work for his up-keep?

He was a tent maker
2nd Thessalonians chapter 3

hardasan:
I just refuse to keep quiet while Christians are brainwashed by anybody.

I want to quote Malachi Ch 3 v 7 - 12 while highlighting verse 10

Malachi 3:7-12King James Version (KJV)

7 Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the Lord of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return?

8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.

9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.

10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

11 And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the Lord of hosts.

12 And all nations shall call you blessed: for ye shall be a delightsome land, saith the Lord of hosts.

Here the bible plainly said in verse 8: " Yet ye have robbed me, But ye say where in. Have we robbed thee? "
The bible answered : "In tithes and offerings"

Verse 9 says: Ye are cursed for ye have robbed me. It didn't say ye are cursed for not eating your tithe or ye are cursed for paying to a pastor and not into heaven's bank account directly from the earth.

Verse 10 gives a direct instruction: Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse. It didn't say eat ye all the tithes in front of the storehouse or give ye all the tithes to the poor and widows.
In the biblical days, payments could be by precious stones or commodities. That's why trade by barter markets existed in the days of my grandparents before currencies became the order of the day. Now, 99.9% of people earn currencies not livestock or commodities, so it's normal that we pay tithe in cash.

Verse 11 is a promise by God to bless anyone who obeys this instruction of tithing

John ch 12 talks about Jesus being anointed for his burial with a very expensive ointment, Judas asked why the costly ointment wasn't sold and given to the poor instead of " wasting it"
Jesus said in verse 8: For the poor always ye have with you ; but me ye have not always

Matthew ch 10 vs 40 - 41, Jesus promised to. Reward those who are kind or who gives as little as a cup of cold water to his servants

Ever wondered why Jesus picked out the widow in Mark ch 12 vs 42 for giving her all since he doesn't care about our offering ?

Or why the Holy Ghost killed Ananias and Sapphira for keeping part of the money gotten from the sales of their own land in Acts ch 5 vs 1 - 11 if God doesn't care about our tithes and offerings.

Take heed that no wolf in sheep's clothing deceives you. God commanded tithing and offerings. If you want to pay yours when you get to heaven, that's your business, but don't go about stumbling people Christ died for cus it will be better for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for you.

(Modification)
Please try to read through the thread, a lot of questions have been answered which are not mentioned in this initial post.
God bless the contributors and the sincere readers

So you just one of them religious many... okay o, continue.

NwaAmaikpe:



Sorry to differ with you.
But the giving of monetary offerings to the church as tithe is wrong, it is unbiblical and purely exploitative.

The Bible is perspicuous about tithing.
Deuteronomy 14 : 22-27
Explains the process of tithing which our devilish pastors never tell us.

Besides none of our Pastors in Nigeria are from the tribe of Levi (Only Levites receive tithes)

Kindly study it and be blessed.

I'm starting to love this guy. He acts crazy but his intellect is solid.

anonimi:


I am not like you, bro.
I don't say anything of my own. I simply repeat what the Bible said in Deuteronomy 14, at which time there were Jews involved in non-farming activities.
If you want to argue with the Bible, you are On Your Own- OYO.

So Malachi 3:10 is no longer part of the bible. abi? because it doesn't sound nice to your ears
you choose to obey the part of bible that suites you, that you should EAT your tithe yourselves.
If that is what you have decided to do, its fine.
You can't possibly teach an adult how to spend his money.

hardasan:
I just refuse to keep quiet while Christians are brainwashed by anybody.

I want to quote Malachi Ch 3 v 7 - 12 while highlighting verse 10

Malachi 3:7-12King James Version (KJV)

7 Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the Lord of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return?

8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.

9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.

10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

11 And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the Lord of hosts.

12 And all nations shall call you blessed: for ye shall be a delightsome land, saith the Lord of hosts.

Here the bible plainly said in verse 8: " Yet ye have robbed me, But ye say where in. Have we robbed thee? "
The bible answered : "In tithes and offerings"

Verse 9 says: Ye are cursed for ye have robbed me. It didn't say ye are cursed for not eating your tithe or ye are cursed for paying to a pastor and not into heaven's bank account directly from the earth.

Verse 10 gives a direct instruction: Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse. It didn't say eat ye all the tithes in front of the storehouse or give ye all the tithes to the poor and widows.
In the biblical days, payments could be by precious stones or commodities. That's why trade by barter markets existed in the days of my grandparents before currencies became the order of the day. Now, 99.9% of people earn currencies not livestock or commodities, so it's normal that we pay tithe in cash.

Verse 11 is a promise by God to bless anyone who obeys this instruction of tithing

John ch 12 talks about Jesus being anointed for his burial with a very expensive ointment, Judas asked why the costly ointment wasn't sold and given to the poor instead of " wasting it"
Jesus said in verse 8: For the poor always ye have with you ; but me ye have not always

Matthew ch 10 vs 40 - 41, Jesus promised to. Reward those who are kind or who gives as little as a cup of cold water to his servants

Ever wondered why Jesus picked out the widow in Mark ch 12 vs 42 for giving her all since he doesn't care about our offering ?

Or why the Holy Ghost killed Ananias and Sapphira for keeping part of the money gotten from the sales of their own land in Acts ch 5 vs 1 - 11 if God doesn't care about our tithes and offerings.

Take heed that no wolf in sheep's clothing deceives you. God commanded tithing and offerings. If you want to pay yours when you get to heaven, that's your business, but don't go about stumbling people Christ died for cus it will be better for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for you.

(Modification)
Please try to read through the thread, a lot of questions have been answered which are not mentioned in this initial post.
God bless the contributors and the sincere readers

Sorry to differ with you.
But the giving of monetary offerings to the church as tithe is wrong, it is unbiblical and purely exploitative.

The Bible is perspicuous about tithing.
Deuteronomy 14 : 22-27
Explains the process of tithing which our devilish pastors never tell us.

Besides none of our Pastors in Nigeria are from the tribe of Levi (Only Levites receive tithes)

Kindly study it and be blessed.

hardasan:


The bible asked us to bring of our increase,
It could be livestock and foodstuffs or money.
You are free to give whichever applies to you. Or even use ur tithe to buy commodities to give to the church just as u can sell ur commodity and give money. None is set in stone.

do you read your bible at all, where did the Bible mention money their, read that verse again bro

Tithing is very scriptural, even Jesus Christ commended it and didn't condemn it;

"Matthew 23:23-26The Message (MSG)

23-24 “You’re hopeless, you religion scholars and Pharisees! Frauds! You keep meticulous account books, tithing on every nickel and dime you get, but on the meat of God’s Law, things like fairness and compassion and commitment—the absolute basics!—you carelessly take it or leave it. Careful bookkeeping is commendable, but the basics are required. Do you have any idea how silly you look, writing a life story that’s wrong from start to finish, nitpicking over commas and semicolons?"

That being said, during the Old testament days, the service of the sanctuary is meant only for the Levites and the house of Aaron, but during the dispensation of grace(New Testament), even gentiles received the Holy Spirit hence the service of the sanctuary is made open to all (so far God chooses to use you), I think this explains why we don't have to pay tithes only to Levites.

If you are tithing, please don't compromise, according to Jesus Christ you are doing the right thing.

Tamarapetty:
i pay mine

No wonder u are fat. That's God's blessings on u