aribisala0:

First of all the word tithe is misunderstood in this context it means 10% that is all that it means just as the word half means 50% . It has no religious connotation.
It is just "settlement" for being present or witnessing the dividing of spoils. It has nothing to do with love of God. If you read the full story from chapter 13

That was more related to the custom of sharing spoils or booty

It is worth reading the entire story of what happened .

Abraham's relative was plundered by some kings and e and his men went and recovered their goods,defeated the kings and then plundered the in return.The plunder that was taken was shared and it is worth noting that Abraham DID NOT KEEP ANYTHING for himself as was his right but allowed the fighting men to share everything and he gave 10% to the priest who happened to come around at that moment.He was not tithing the work of his hands or booty which he even took a share from.

The context in which the word tithe is used today is as a verb but it was no different from the way cigarette smokers would say "50 me" i.e give me half

Tithe which means "a tenth" had a religious connotation when Abraham and Jacob tithed. Abraham even paid for "his loins" unborn.

Don't intellectualize the scripture please.

plainbibletruth:


Really? Really? Sincerely?

Israel had SPECIFIC INSTRUCTIONS on how to tithe.
Abraham must have been CLEAR on why he paid tithe.

Today's tithers NEITHER follow EXACTLY what Israel did nor what Abraham did.

So, on what CLEAR and very SPECIFIC DIRECTIVE are today's tithers practicing there money-for-financial-reward and escape from hell MONETARY TITHING?

Majority of today's tithers are NOT doing it IN RESPONSE to or IN APPRECIATION of God's grace.

Abraham gave a tenth of the PLUNDER after Melchizedek blessed him, not before.

Jacob promised to give God a tenth only after he would have received what he asked of God.

Today's tithers pay tithes SO AS TO GET from God.

Do any of these two examples - Abraham & Jacob - you guys run to to justify your monetary tithing today line up with what you do today? NO! None of them does.

You cannot twist the arms of the SOVEREIGN GOD. Otherwise you've made him human.

You cannot choose how you want to RELATE with him: He decides how.

He has CLEARLY said that IN TIME PAST and IN DIVERSE ways had related with man BUT in these last days he has chosen to do so through the Son whose NEW COVENANT SUPERSEDES anything before it - whether pre-law or under the Law.

If today you hear his VOICE and still harden your heart to INSIST on running under the New Covenant in your own way rather than in God's way then the end result has been clearly spelt out for you.

So going by your analogy, you are saying you must bargain before giving tithe to God? Or God must first bless you before you bless him?

If you are a man truly after Gods own heart, you won't wait for him to bless you first.

ofai:

So going by your analogy, you are saying you must bargain before giving tithe to God? Or God must first bless you before you bless him?
If you are a man truly after Gods own heart, you won't wait for him to bless you first.

A number of today's tithers know that the popular Malachi portion usually refered to was pointing to what the Mosaic Law specified about tithing. In fact, Malachi chapter 4:4 refered them to the Law of Moses.

Knowing that the Law was CLEAR ON what and how of tithing and that today's tithing does follow that prescribed by the Law these tithers, in seeking justification for their tithing, then run to Abraham's incident and Jacob's.

NONE of these two examples say that if you tithe you'll be blessed or spared some negative happenings in life or death. That is what I'm saying.

A Christian should give to God IN APPRECIATION of what God HAS DONE for him in Christ and NOT as a bargaining chip for some perceived future blessings.

hardasan:


What the apostles did with the contributions is not your business. Call it anything you want.

Yea, they are just voluntary contributions NOT tithe

2 Corinthians 9:7

plainbibletruth:


A number of today's tithers know that the popular Malachi portion usually refered to was pointing to what the Mosaic Law specified about tithing. In fact, Malachi chapter 4:4 refered them to the Law of Moses.

Knowing that the Law was CLEAR ON what and how of tithing and that today's tithing does follow that prescribed by the Law these tithers, in seeking justification for their tithing, then run to Abraham's incident and Jacob's.

NONE of these two examples say that if you tithe you'll be blessed or spared some negative happenings in life or death. That is what I'm saying.

A Christian should give to God IN APPRECIATION of what God HAS DONE for him in Christ and NOT as a bargaining chip for some perceived future blessings.

A christian should give NOT only for appreciation but also for SERVICE. The ministry must be sponsored. Welfare of ministers, ministry projects must be sponsored and tithing takes care of that.

Any atheist, moslem,etc can give to the needy, but who will take care of God's project like his or her own project? is it the non believers? Or members of the household of faith?

I get it. Many ministers are abusing this privilege of receiving tithe, but abuse of tithing does not take away its validity.

ofai:


I know my scripture. Am a "berean" Christian.

That said, you can't hold on permanently to anything if you don't receive it by revelation, believe me.

I don't condemn those who don't tithe for reasons best known to them, but I also know the tithing can ignite spiritual abundance, not necessarily material excesses/blessings.

There we go again, "personal revelation" and not necessarily from scriptures!

The church needs funds for its operations and encouraging tithing is one very effective way to secure funds for day to day operations. But where there is a problem is in the teaching that a person who doesn't pay tithes regularly to his local church would incur God's wrath and attract divine curses; therein lies the problem, and this sort of teaching is exactly what Christ condemned when he scolded the Pharisees for holding on to unimportant laws.

Are you aware that a majority of people who tithe religiously today do so out of the fear of possible divine consequences, and not out of a loving desire to give freely? Simply put, such teachings about divine punishment to non-tithers is WRONG! cos it negates the scriptures in 2Cor 9:7 which admonishes us to give without compulsion, and you cannot tell me that the 'Spirit' gives you a revelation which opposes scripture.

The moment a person gives out of 'fear of retribution, that is no longer 'cheerful giving' no matter how the person forces a smile on their face. Yes the church needs money for its operations, and of course, there is always a blessing that comes with giving, but what exactly are most churches preaching today to get their members to give?... Are they preaching scripture or are they preaching heresy?

obailala:
There we go again, "personal revelation" and not necessarily from scriptures!

The church needs funds for its operations and encouraging tithing is one very effective way to secure funds for day to day operations. But where there is a problem is in the teaching that a person who doesn't pay tithes regularly to his local church would incur God's wrath and attract divine curses; therein lies the problem, and this sort of teaching is exactly what Christ condemned when he scolded the Pharisees for holding on to unimportant laws.

Are you aware that a majority of people who tithe religiously today do so out of the fear of possible divine consequences, and not out of a loving desire to give freely? Simply put, such teachings about divine punishment to non-tithers is WRONG! cos it negates the scriptures in 2Cor 9:7 which admonishes us to give without compulsion, and you cannot tell me that the 'Spirit' gives you a revelation which opposes scripture. The moment a person gives out of 'fear of retribution, that is no longer 'cheerful giving' no matter how the person forces a smile on their face. Yes the church needs money for its operations, and of course, there is always a blessing that comes with giving, but what exactly are most churches preaching today to get members to give?... Are they preaching scripture or are they preaching heresy?

Your first statement is totally out of place. "Not necessarily from the scriptures...." is your own input not mine.

Every revelation from God cannot CONTRADICT the word of God....it can't. Rather it AMPLIFIES it.

That said, I don't support how tithe sermons are been presented by many church ministers today. Am against blackmailing or subtly threatening those who don't pay their tithes. There are ministers who don't do such thing. I have seen them. They are not popular ministers, but they are indeed honorable vessels of God being used for divine exploits.

obailala:
Jesus Christ made that statement to Pharisees who are teachers of THE MOSAIC LAW. Remember, at the time the statement was made, the Mosaic Laws were still in full operation for all Jews.

From my own understanding of the bible, following the supreme sacrifice of Jesus, (i.e. his death and resurrection), it marked the beginning of the NEW COVENANT. The old covenant had all the Mosaic Laws which included animal sacrifices, men being prohibited from shaving side hair etc. The death of Jesus gave rise to the new covenant and under the new covenant teachings by the apostles, I'm yet to see any scripture which mandates any Christian to observe the old covenant Mosaic Laws. In the new covenant, Christians are urged to give freely, whatever they choose in their hearts and without compulsion (2Cor 9:7).

A lot of people who still insist on the Mosaic Laws of mandatory 10% giving obviously have poor knowledge of the full Mosaic laws. You to go read through the books of Numbers and Deutronomy and kindly tell me if you can keep up to 20% of those laws (giving 10% for blessings and to avoid curses) definitely is just 1 out of the numerous laws.

I get you, tithing is made to be paid but no one should be force to do so like some churches does.
Is b/w one and his God, by faith one can decide to pay his tithe in other to tap in to the convenant blessings of God. Don't forget this is not ordinary law that moses establish but God spoke about it through moses.

Simplep:
I dnt even kn wat to beleive anymore,confused..som things in d bible are so.....imagine where d bible says do not commit adultery,for i say unto u,a man who marries a divorced woman has committed adultery,dat divorce is a sin,does it mean a divorced woman should b single for life?..so many things are nt cleared to me weneva i open my bible to read bt anyways God will see us through,jst do good,dats d key..pay tithe if u like,di not force people to pay or not pay,jst do wat u beleive and stop listening to others...God is good

That verse shows that the Bible does not support divorce. The couple can be separated though but they should remain single after the separation. I'll be happy to answer questions in my own little understanding. Just open a thread and mention me

hardasan:


Matthew 23vs23

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Here, Jesus condemned the hypocritical pharisees for their hypocrisy and not for paying tithe. If tithing was wrong, won't this place be a perfect place to point out that it is wrong ? He said: they pay tithe but have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

He didn't say don't pay tithe, just be holy, instead he said : and not to leave the other undone.

He didn't say do this instead. Faith without works is dead, neither can any man by works alone see God. The two go hand in hand that's why Jesus said : these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
The two go hand in hand. Faith goes with works.

Jesus did not condemn the Pharisees for collecting tithes because they (the Pharisees) are under the law and are Levites hence are mandated to collect tithe (according to the law)

Our pastors in Nigeria are not Levites, this is why Jesus himself didn't collect tithe even though he is 'our high priest'. H is not a Levite he is from Judah

You must understand that Judaism is different from Christianity. The laws of the old testament apply to Jews, the laws of Christians are written in their hearts.

Finally one doesn't get cursed for not paying tithe. That curse in Malachi is 'under the law'. Jesus has redeemed us from the curse of the law.

lisimmo:


Jesus did not condemn the Pharisees for collecting tithes because they (the Pharisees) are under the law and are Levites hence are mandated to collect tithe (according to the law)

Our pastors in Nigeria are not Levites, this is why Jesus himself didn't collect tithe even though he is 'our high priest'. H is not a Levite he is from Judah

You must understand that Judaism is different from Christianity. The laws of the old testament apply to Jews, the laws of Christians are written in their hearts.

Finally one doesn't get cursed for not paying tithe. That curse in Malachi is 'under the law'. Jesus has redeemed us from the curse of the law.

Tithing was NEVER under the "curse of the law", it even predated the mosaic law, and since jesus had come to fulfill (not abolish) the law, it is the more reason WHY tithing should be done in him and his name alone. Tithing is no longer bound by law, it is practised by the grace of divine revelation.

Secondly Romans 2:28-29 shows us who the REAL JEWS are in the new testament. These Jews will defintely have the fivefold ministry that ministers the things of God to them. Ephesians 4:11-12.

ofai:


Tithing was NEVER under the "curse of the law", it even predated the mosaic law, and since jesus had come to fulfill (not abolish) the law, it is the more reason WHY tithing should be done in him and his name alone. Tithing is no longer bound by law, it is practised by the grace of divine revelation.

Secondly Romans 2:28-29 shows us who the REAL JEWS are in the new testament. These Jews will defintely have the fivefold ministry that ministers the things of God to them. Ephesians 4:11-12.

How did it predate Mosaic law??

ofai:


Tithing was NEVER under the "curse of the law", it even predated the mosaic law, and since jesus had come to fulfill (not abolish) the law, it is the more reason WHY tithing should be done in him and his name alone. Tithing is no longer bound by law, it is practised by the grace of divine revelation.

Secondly Romans 2:28-29 shows us who the REAL JEWS are in the new testament. These Jews will defintely have the fivefold ministry that ministers the things of God to them. Ephesians 4:11-12.

In Malachi, God cursed them for not remitting the full tithe. So it was a curse under the law of tithing. Jesus has redeemed us from the curse


Let me pose these questions to you:
1. Does giving tithes guarantee God's blessings?
2. Does giving tithe assures one of salvation?
3. Is not giving tithe a sin?

aribisala0:

How did it predate Mosaic law??

Abraham never had any "mosaic law" during his time yet to gave his one-tenth (even for his unborn descendants). Abraham worked with divine revelation.

Jacob didn't have any "Jewish tradition" or "laws of moses" during his time too. He gave his one-tenth. It want a law then. It was by divine revelation.

lisimmo:


In Malachi, God cursed them for not remitting the full tithe. So it was a curse under the law of tithing. Jesus has redeemed us from the curse


Let me pose these questions to you:
1. Does giving tithes guarantee God's blessings?
2. Does giving tithe assures one of salvation?
3. Is not giving tithe a sin?

Wrong context. Wrong placement.

You are still quoting the tithe that was practised under the law. My point is that tithing existed BEFORE the law.

1. Yes it does, if done with the right understanding.
2. It has nothing to do with salvation or eternal security.
3. No it isn't.

If you follow my posts on the 16th and 17th thread, you will see that I have long addressd these questions with details even.

ofai:


Abraham never had any "mosaic law" during his time yet to gave his one-tenth (even for his unborn descendants). Abraham worked with divine revelation.

Jacob didn't have any "Jewish tradition" or "laws of moses" during his time too. He gave his one-tenth. It want a law then. It was by divine revelation.

Abraham only gave one tenth on ONE occasion out of plunder from war and the other 90 % he returned to the men who fought he kept nothing. He gave it voluntarily. This was not a case of Abraham giving a tenth of his earnings or wealth.
Some none Christians may make an offering in a church once in their lives .IT MEANS NOTHING

What Abraham paid was not a tenth of his personal increase or earnings

Some men captured his relative and took his property .Abraham went to battle against them. Recovered his relataive's property from him and also his men plundered the aggressors. On the way back they met a priest who prayed for them and they gave him tenth of the PLUNDER while the fighting men kept the rest .Abraham took nothing

It is dishonest to misrepresent this to mean Abraham had a practice of tithing. He DID NOT




Can you provide evidence of Jacob payying tithes

TITHE today does not just mean a tenth. It means MANDATORY not voluntary

plainbibletruth:


A number of today's tithers know that the popular Malachi portion usually refered to was pointing to what the Mosaic Law specified about tithing. In fact, Malachi chapter 4:4 refered them to the Law of Moses.

Knowing that the Law was CLEAR ON what and how of tithing and that today's tithing does follow that prescribed by the Law these tithers, in seeking justification for their tithing, then run to Abraham's incident and Jacob's.

NONE of these two examples say that if you tithe you'll be blessed or spared some negative happenings in life or death. That is what I'm saying.

A Christian should give to God IN APPRECIATION of what God HAS DONE for him in Christ and NOT as a bargaining chip for some perceived future blessings.

Give to God? How? Does one give to God by paying a chuurch or feeding the hungry ? WHich is the correct way ofGiving to God

aribisala0:


Abraham only gave one tenth on ONE occasion out of plunder from war and the other 90 % he returned to the men who fought he kept nothing. He gave it voluntarily. This was not a case of Abraham giving a tenth of his earnings or wealth.

Some men captured his relative and took his property .Abraham went to battle against them. Recovered his relataive's property from him and also his men plundered the aggressors. On the way back they met a priest who prayed for them and they gave him tenth of the PLUNDER while the fighting men kept the rest .Abraham took nothing

It is dishonest to misrepresent this to mean Abraham had a practice of tithing. He DID NOT




Can you provide evidence of Jacob payying tithes

Abraham practised tithing, but not after the similitude of the mosaic laws and ordinances.

Same for for Jacob Genesis 28:20-22....He vowed to give his substance, raise a pillar and give his tithe, all to honour Gods blessings upon him.

ofai:


Wrong context. Wrong placement.

You are still quoting the tithe that was practised under the law. My point is that tithing existed BEFORE the law.

1. Yes it does, if done with the right understanding.
2. It has nothing to do with salvation or eternal security.
3. No it isn't.

If you follow my posts on the 16th and 17th thread, you will see that I have long addressd these questions with details even.

1. I disagree. Tithing doesn't guarantee God's blessings. Here are my points

Many advocates of tithing are of the belief that tithing is causal to blessing. This is untrue as we will see from the scriptures. They also use Abraham as their principal example of tithing. But let's analyse the scenario of Abraham.

1. Abram (as he was called then) received God's promise to be a great nation and be blessed BEFORE he gave tithes (Gen 12:1)
2. He received the promised land BEFORE he gave any tithe (Gen 12:7)
3. God defended Abram's wife before Pharaoh (Gen 12:17) BEFORE he gave any tithe
4. Abram was very rich in cattle, silver and gold BEFORE he gave any tithe (Gen 13:1)
5. God reaffirmed his promise to give the "promised" land to Abram BEFORE he gave tithes (Gen 13: 14-17)

6. After the aforementioned events, Abram gave tithes (Gen 14:20). The question however is: On what did Abram give tithe? He gave tithe on the spoils of war (Gen 14:16). Nowhere was it mentioned that Abram gave tithe on his personal belongings. He gave tithe only on the spoils of war. This meant that if he hadn't gone to war, he probably wouldn't have given any tithe at all (this is inferential).

7. God reappeared to Abram to assure him once again of his promises (Gen 15:1-10). This appearance wasn't as a result of giving tithes in any way.
8. God made a covenant with Abram about the promises (Gen 15:18). Again, this isn't as a consequence of giving tithes.
9. God reassurred Abram of his covenant and changed his name to Abraham (Gen 17:1-. Furthermore he stated explicitly the part of the covenant which Abram must fulfil: circumcision not giving tithes
10. God changed Sarai's name to Sarah and promised a son through her (Gen 17:15). Again, this isn't as a consequence of giving tithes.
11. God revealed his intimacy with and confidence in Abraham that he (Abraham) would teach his children the way of the Lord to do JUSTICE and JUDGEMENT (not giving tithes) Gen 18:19.

12. We are made to know that Abraham received all these things through FAITH IN GOD (Heb 11:8-19) not through giving tithes

We could also look at the lives of Isaac was blessed with no tithe record!

You can check the list of billionaires in the world and you'll see that a large portion are not even Christians let alone pay tithe.

Then check the list of the top 10 economies of the world, you'll see countries that have more atheist, fewer Christians than Nigeria, fewer churches than Nigeria hence fewer tithes dominate the list. Nigeria with all our tithes is no where to be found.

This is enough proof of the fact that tithes is not a guarantee to Gods blessing

Modified: if you have any proof of anyone or nation who was immensely blessed as a direct consequence of giving tithes, please share with evidences.

ofai:


Wrong context. Wrong placement.

You are still quoting the tithe that was practised under the law. My point is that tithing existed BEFORE the law.

1. Yes it does, if done with the right understanding.
2. It has nothing to do with salvation or eternal security.
3. No it isn't.

If you follow my posts on the 16th and 17th thread, you will see that I have long addressd these questions with details even.

2. I agree absolutely with you on points 2 and 3

So since we have established that not paying tithe is not a sin then we can conclude that

1. There is no punishment or curse for not paying tithe
2. God can bless you even if you don't pay tithe. After all you didn't transgress
3. Tithing should be freewill and based on conviction not MANDATORY as we have today. If you doubt that tithing is mandatory today then let's discuss existing church practices and sermons with video and pics evidences.

lisimmo:



1. I disagree. Tithing doesn't guarantee God's blessings. Here are my points

Many advocates of tithing are of the belief that tithing is causal to blessing. This is untrue as we will see from the scriptures. They also use Abraham as their principal example of tithing. But let's analyse the scenario of Abraham.

1. Abram (as he was called then) received God's promise to be a great nation and be blessed BEFORE he gave tithes (Gen 12:1)
2. He received the promised land BEFORE he gave any tithe (Gen 12:7)
3. God defended Abram's wife before Pharaoh (Gen 12:17) BEFORE he gave any tithe
4. Abram was very rich in cattle, silver and gold BEFORE he gave any tithe (Gen 13:1)
5. God reaffirmed his promise to give the "promised" land to Abram BEFORE he gave tithes (Gen 13: 14-17)

6. After the aforementioned events, Abram gave tithes (Gen 14:20). The question however is: On what did Abram give tithe? He gave tithe on the spoils of war (Gen 14:16). Nowhere was it mentioned that Abram gave tithe on his personal belongings. He gave tithe only on the spoils of war. This meant that if he hadn't gone to war, he probably wouldn't have given any tithe at all (this is inferential).

7. God reappeared to Abram to assure him once again of his promises (Gen 15:1-10). This appearance wasn't as a result of giving tithes in any way.
8. God made a covenant with Abram about the promises (Gen 15:18). Again, this isn't as a consequence of giving tithes.
9. God reassurred Abram of his covenant and changed his name to Abraham (Gen 17:1-. Furthermore he stated explicitly the part of the covenant which Abram must fulfil: circumcision not giving tithes
10. God changed Sarai's name to Sarah and promised a son through her (Gen 17:15). Again, this isn't as a consequence of giving tithes.
11. God revealed his intimacy with and confidence in Abraham that he (Abraham) would teach his children the way of the Lord to do JUSTICE and JUDGEMENT (not giving tithes) Gen 18:19.

12. We are made to know that Abraham received all these things through FAITH IN GOD (Heb 11:8-19) not through giving tithes

We could also look at the lives of Isaac was blessed with no tithe record!

You can check the list of billionaires in the world and you'll see that a large portion are not even Christians let alone pay tithe.

Then check the list of the top 10 economies of the world, you'll see countries that have more atheist, fewer Christians than Nigeria, fewer churches than Nigeria hence fewer tithes dominate the list. Nigeria with all our tithes is no where to be found.

This is enough proof of the fact that tithes is not a guarantee to Gods blessing

With all the lengthy attempt you have made to prove your point, you still think tithing is ONLY about getting MATERIAL/FINANCIAL blessings from God?

Tithing guarantees Gods blessings in the sense that when you give him your token of what he has blessed you with no matter how little or how large, he multiplies the blessings that comes with it. This means, God blessing the FRUITS of whatever you lay your hands on to do. So no one is saying you shouldnt be diligent in your business.

That said, tithing is NOT all about getting financial/material blessings in return... It can be spiritual blessings or divine favours in all areas of ones life.

ofai:


Abraham practised tithing, but not after the similitude of the mosaic laws and ordinances.

Same for for Jacob Genesis 28:20-22....He vowed to give his substance, raise a pillar and give his tithe, all to honour Gods blessings upon him.

Evidence of Abraham practising tithing?
Moses

King David Killed a man and took his wife ONCE.

Is that the same as practising it

Abraham only gave a tenth on one occasion in his life and it was
not from his earnings or wealth

The fact that Jacob made a vow meant it was voluntary not a commandment

Christians can make voluntary contributions or vows even 50%

But that is very different from the doctrine of compulsion.

You claim of Abraham practising tithes is untrue.

ofai:


Abraham practised tithing, but not after the similitude of the mosaic laws and ordinances.

Same for for Jacob Genesis 28:20-22....He vowed to give his substance, raise a pillar and give his tithe, all to honour Gods blessings upon him.

Stop lying mindlessly here. Abraham didn't practice tithe. He only have 10% of his spoils of war and even did it ONCE!
From the spoils of war and not his earning nor income.

Is that the tithe?

lisimmo:


2. I agree absolutely with you on points 2 and 3

So since we have established that not paying tithe is not a sin then we can conclude that

1. There is no punishment or curse for not paying tithe
2. God can bless you even if you don't pay tithe. After all you didn't transgress
3. Tithing should be freewill and based on conviction not MANDATORY as we have today. If you doubt that tithing is mandatory today then let's discuss existing church practices and sermons with video and pics evidences.

Not every ministry preaches MANDATORY tithing. That said, tithing is like a seed from your substance being planted for more favours and blessings.

Tithing is DIFFERENT from alms giving. Ministers are NOT beggars or called to beg. Any atheist or muslim, etc can give to the poor and needy, but who takes care of Gods business? Its his true worshippers of course! Tithing secures the welfare of ministers and other ministerial projects.

slimghost:


Stop lying mindlessly here. Abraham didn't practice tithe. He only have 10% of his spoils of war and even did it ONCE!
From the spoils of war and not his earning nor income.

Is that the tithe?

What is a tithe? One-tenth of ones substance. It doesn't have to be cash.

I know you are one those who despise tithing. Do you think ministers are called to be beggars? Almsgiving is NOT tithing.

aribisala0:


Evidence of Abraham practising tithing?
Moses

King David Killed a man and took his wife ONCE.

Is that the same as practising it

Abraham only gave a tenth on one occasion in his life and it was
not from his earnings or wealth

The fact that Jacob made a vow meant it was voluntary not a commandment

Christians can make voluntary contributions or vows even 50%

But that is very different from the doctrine of compulsion.

You claim of Abraham practising tithes is untrue.

Its there in the bible - TITHES. or does the word have another meaning? Abraham gave tithes (even for his unborn generation). But whether it was by compulsion is another thing entirely.

Abraham tithed, and it wasn't by compulsion. He did it by revelation.

Because you practise something once, and it favours you, don't you think I will practise MORE of it to be MORE favoured?

ofai:


With all the lengthy attempt you have made to prove your point, you still think tithing is ONLY about getting MATERIAL/FINANCIAL blessings from God?

Tithing guarantees Gods blessings in the sense that when you give him your token of what he has blessed you with no matter how little or how large, he multiplies the blessings that comes with it. This means, God blessing the FRUITS of whatever you lay your hands on to do. So no one is saying you shouldnt be diligent in your business.

That said, tithing is NOT all about getting financial/material blessings in return... It can be spiritual blessings or divine favours in all areas of ones life.

Spiritual blessing,divine favour.
Those are vague and meaningless terms.BE MORE SPECIFIC. WHich of these do the Christians get that even the armed robbers don't get?
So called spiritual blessings accrue to Christians Muslims and non believers alike.
There is no evidence that those who believe in God are more blessed than those who do not believe . So itithing the does not come into it.
How many Christians are in Japan,Korea ? They seem quite blessed compared to us in NIgeria

More impportantly ,There IS NOT ONE SINGLE STATEMENT from Jesus in the bible to back this claim. So if Jesus did not talk about it it was not the most important thing to him

Jesus taught so many times and never NEVER taught anything about tithe

ofai:


With all the lengthy attempt you have made to prove your point, you still think tithing is ONLY about getting MATERIAL/FINANCIAL blessings from God?

Tithing guarantees Gods blessings in the sense that when you give him your token of what he has blessed you with no matter how little or how large, he multiplies the blessings that comes with it. This means, God blessing the FRUITS of whatever you lay your hands on to do. So no one is saying you shouldnt be diligent in your business.

That said, tithing is NOT all about getting financial/material blessings in return... It can be spiritual blessings or divine favours in all areas of ones life.

All blessings in the Bible have physical manifestation. There is no such thing as a blessing that is unquantifiable.

1. God blessed Abraham: he had cattles and silver and gold and about 300 Henchmen under his care alone
2. God blessed Isaac and he had physical blessings (Gen 26:12- 16). To the point that the Philistines envied him
3. God blessed Solomon, we all know the story
4. God blessed that woman who had a few flour left for her family and she became an international merchant in the flour industry (exaggeration)
5. God blessed the woman who couldn't pay her husband's debt. She became the Oil Magnate of her time 2 Kings 4:1-7
6. God blessed Job before the devil struck, we can quantify what he had Job 1:1-10
7. God blesses Job after the devil struck, we can quantify what he now has. We saw that he had double Job 42:12-14
8. God blessed David, we know his story
9. What of Jabez

Heck even Malachi 3 tells us the quantity of the blessings : "... you won't have enough room to contain them". Room is physical, you don't need rooms for spiritual blessings.

I could go on and on. There is always a physical manifestation of that blessing. God's blessing is not MMM that will freeze up in one virtual world in accessible to the physical.

ofai:


What is a tithe? One-tenth of ones substance. It doesn't have to be cash.

I know you are one those who despise tithing. Do you think ministers are called to be beggars? Almsgiving is NOT tithing.

Stop confusing yourself and answer the simple question.
one tenth of what exactly? Abraham ONCE gave one tenth from his spoils of war and not from his earnings not income and you call that tithe? You are despicable and may God have mercy on you.

aribisala0:

So called spiritual blessings accrue to Christians Muslims and non believers alike.
There is no evidence that those who believe in God are more blessed than those who do not believe . So titithing the does not come into.
How many Christians are in Japan,Korea ? They see quite blessed compared to us in NIgeria

More impportantly ,There IS NOT ONE SINGLE STATEMENT from Jesus in the bible to back this claim. So if Jesus did not talk about it it was not the most important thing to him

Jesus taught so many times and never NEVER taught anything about tithe

If you went through my post, you will see that I have addressed this claims you are making. Don't be in a hurry to read them. DONT ALSO BE IN A HURRY TO READ THE FOLLOWING:

Malachi 3:10 never limited tithing to financial/blessings alone. Tithing was done by revelation in early times, later, it was made a law in the mosaic law (old testament) thereby ushering in compulsion. But since grace has replaced law, tithing is NO LONGER by compulsion. It is by grace according to ones revelation of Gods word.

JESUS never condemned tithings, in fact, he validated it in Matthew 23:23 when he was criticising the religious leaders for paying attention to tithing ONLY and not to other "WEIGHTIER" matters like dispensing justice, compassion, etc.

"Weightier" means "more pressing or more important", which is to say that TITHING is important, but there are other MORE IMPORTANT issues.

slimghost:


Stop confusing yourself and answer the simple question.
one tenth of what exactly? Abraham ONCE gave one tenth from his spoils of war and not from his earnings not income and you call that tithe? You are despicable and may God have mercy on you.

When you begin to run out of points, you begin to abuse.

Abraham tithing appeared only once in the bible does not mean one MUST be tithe once...one can tithe as much as he can. It is a thing of revelation.

Is anyone forcing you to tithe? Why blowing your steam here. Leave the thread if you are no longer in tune with my point of view. Or simply ignore me. What the bitterness?

lisimmo:


All blessings in the Bible have physical manifestation. There is no such thing as a blessing that is unquantifiable.

1. God blessed Abraham: he had cattles and silver and gold and about 300 Henchmen under his care alone
2. God blessed Isaac and he had physical blessings (Gen 26:12- 16). To the point that the Philistines envied him
3. God blessed Solomon, we all know the story
4. God blessed that woman who had a few flour left for her family and she became an international merchant in the flour industry (exaggeration)
5. God blessed the woman who couldn't pay her husband's debt. She became the Oil Magnate of her time 2 Kings 4:1-7
6. God blessed Job before the devil struck, we can quantify what he had Job 1:1-10
7. God blesses Job after the devil struck, we can quantify what he now has. We saw that he had double Job 42:12-14
8. God blessed David, we know his story
9. What of Jabez

Heck even Malachi 3 tells us the quantity of the blessings : "... you won't have enough room to contain them". Room is physical, you don't need rooms for spiritual blessings.

I could go on and on. There is always a physical manifestation of that blessing. God's blessing is not MMM that will freeze up in one virtual world in accessible to the physical.

God blesses eveyone